Argument continues in wake of concluded debate

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“Sir Nicholas Stern’s report on the economics of climate change, which was published last week, says that the debate is over,” writes Christopher Monckton. “It isn’t.” Not by a long shot. In fact, gloibal woimenisers now fear being shouted down by brutal warming doubters, as New Scientist reports:

Kevin Trenberth reckons he is a marked man. He has argued that last year’s devastating Atlantic hurricane season, which spawned hurricane Katrina, was linked to global warming. For the many politicians and minority of scientists who insist there is no evidence for any such link, Trenberth’s views are unacceptable and some have called for him step down from an international panel studying climate change. “The attacks on me are clearly designed to get me fired or to resign,” says Trenberth.

But the debate is over! John Quiggin said so!

The attacks fit a familiar pattern. Sceptics have also set their sights on scientists who have spoken out about the accelerating meltdown of the ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica and the thawing of the planet’s permafrost …

Don’t these monsters recognise the consensus?

One of those who knows only too well what it is like to come under attack from climate change sceptics is Ben Santer of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory in California. The lead author of a chapter in the 1995 IPCC report that talked for the first time about the “discernible human influence on global climate”, he was savaged by sceptics and accused of introducing this wording without consulting colleagues who had helped write the chapter.

For “savaged by sceptics”, read “debate not over”.

UPDATE. Despite the debate being over, the SMH’s Geoff Spencer would still like to know: are you a glavin warmenizing sceptic?

Posted by Tim B. on 11/05/2006 at 12:58 PM
    1. accelerating meltdown of the ice sheets in … Antarctica

      That’s so pre-May 2005:

      April:
      “Antarctic glaciers shrink” –The Baltimore Sun, April 22, 2005
      “Study shows Antarctic glaciers shrinking” –Associated Press, April 22, 2005
      “Vanishing glaciers: Antarctica’s big melt” –The Australian, April 23, 2005
      “New study points to big melt in Antarctica” – Sci-Tech Today, April 22, 2005
      “Antarctic glaciers in mass retreat” –Nature.com, April 21, 2005
      “Antarctic glaciers at risk of global warming” – All Headline News, April 22, 2005
      “Antarctic glaciers are getting smaller faster” –The Times On-line, April 22, 2005
      “Shrinking glaciers confirm the worst” –New Scientist, April 27, 2005

      May:
      “As climate shifts, Antarctic ice sheet is growing” –Los Angeles Times, May 20, 2005
      “Scientists link global warming to Antarctic’s ice cap’s growth” –Chicago Tribune, May 20, 2005
      “Antarctica ice cap thickens” –Pittsburgh Post Gazette, May 20, 2005
      “Warming is blamed for Antarctic’s weight gain” –New York Times, May 20, 2005
      “Ice sheet confounds climate theory” – The Telegraph, May 20, 2005
      “Antarctica ice cap thickens, slowing rise in sea levels” – Pioneer Press, May 20, 2005

      Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2006 11 05 at 01:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. The phrase “savaged by sceptics”, as applied to Gorbal Warlming, is semantically equal to “speaking truth to power” in politics.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 11 05 at 01:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. My theory is that growing and shrinking ice caps cause time.

      Posted by rhhardin on 2006 11 05 at 01:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’m constantly amazed at people who equate “disagreement” with “persecution”.  It’s almost as if they need to have a conspiracy directed against them in order to justify their life’s work.  Oh.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 11 05 at 01:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. I had to sit at the charity table in the lobby for an hour to raise funds.  CNN was on, and whats’ername was interviewing this Stern fellow.  He driveled on and on about smashing the world’s economy in order to save it, and then Chickielips, in response, said, “What can we do?”

      Not, “where’s your proof” or “give me a concrete example” or anything.  She just automatically sided with Stern.

      I started yelling for a Facilities Management Specialist to come and turn off the damn sound on the tv.

      Posted by ushie on 2006 11 05 at 01:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. How do these asshats know it’s a minority of scientists?  Did they take a damn poll?

      Or is it just that the alarmists get all the play?  Wait, stupid question.

      Posted by Mark V. on 2006 11 05 at 02:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. #4, RebeccaH, Once again, you express my thoughts exactly.  Perchance are you about 5’5” , with red hair and green eyes?

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 11 05 at 03:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. “It’s almost as if they need to have a conspiracy directed against them in order to justify their life’s work.” Or as if they had no real argument with which to debate critics.  Oh.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 11 05 at 03:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. #7, maybe we were separated at birth?  Or maybe we’re just two great minds, heh.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 11 05 at 03:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. Did Karl Rove order you to write those comments, Rebbeca and salty?

      Posted by andycanuck on 2006 11 05 at 03:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. #6, Mark V:  How do these asshats know it’s a minority of scientists?  Did they take a damn poll?

      A few years ago, Dr. Arthur Robinson of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine put up an online petition critical of anthropogenic global warming and asked for scientists, engineers and other technical professionals who agreed with its arguments and conclusions to sign it (along with their professional affiliations).  To date, there have been at least 18,000 signers to what has become known as The Oregon Petition.  So, somebody has taken a damn poll.

      Full disclosure:  I’m one of the signers of the Oregon Petition.

      Posted by Bruce Lagasse on 2006 11 05 at 03:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. 11. Bruce, the problem with online petitions is how to control them.

      I sign online petitions, but only the moonbat ones to skew the results. I also take advantage of the GetUp/MoveOn idiot actions to send cheery, supportive emails to the pollies telling them to disregard anything from GetUp.

      I even get the occasional reply from said politicians, which amuses me no end.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 11 05 at 04:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. Typical lefty modus operandi: Try to shut down the debate, then when that doesn’t work, accuse your opposition of trying to do what you just did.

      Posted by PW on 2006 11 05 at 04:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. #10, andycanuck:

      Shhhhhhhh!

      #11, Bruce Lagasse:

      You’re all in the pay of big oil.

      Seriously, the Oregon Petition is another instance of a story that has been studiously ignored by the MSM.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 11 05 at 04:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. #10, our Lord Karl doesn’t order anyone to do anything.  He merely has to look in our direction, and we know what to do.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 11 05 at 04:36 PM • permalink

 

    1. At church yesterday, the ‘sermon’ consisted of a guy preaching the reality, horror and undeniably impending doom of gerbil worming.

      He said the trick was to use teeny weeny tablets and try to incorporate them into the gerbil’s food somehow.

      Posted by Mike_W on 2006 11 05 at 05:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. But … Triolips and “Alpha” Megalognosis said on Insiders that Andrew Bolt was the only sceptic.
      Who can I believe?

      Posted by blogstrop on 2006 11 05 at 05:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. Given that there was a relatively poor turnout for the “walk against warming” (tens of thousands as opposed to the millions who walked against an Iraq invasion) I would agree that the inconvenient truth of the matter is, the debate is over.

      Posted by rog2 on 2006 11 05 at 05:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. He has argued that last year’s devastating Atlantic hurricane season, which spawned hurricane Katrina, was linked to global warming.

      Wonder how he’s arguing about this years hurricane season?

      “Well, the mechanics of global warming is very complex…so complex that it sometimes makes me look like a total asshat….who won’t admit he just might be wrong.”

      Posted by rinardman on 2006 11 05 at 06:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. I started yelling for a Facilities Management Specialist to come and turn off the damn sound on the tv.

      Throw a rock next time, ushie.  And then claim that CNN used subliminal messages to force you to throw the rock.

      Hey, it’s a conspiracy!  If it works for lefties, it’ll work for anyone.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 11 05 at 06:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. The SMH is asking sceptics to visit their site and leave comments on climate change.

      Go for it chaps!

      Posted by mr creosote on 2006 11 05 at 06:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. “Kevin Trenberth reckons he is a marked man. He has argued that last year’s devastating Atlantic hurricane season, which spawned hurricane Katrina, was linked to global warming.”

      According to the 2006 Atlantic Hurricane season records “global warming” is over.

      Posted by LaVallette on 2006 11 05 at 07:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. Trenberth and the fellow believers in the 2005 hurricanes have a problem this year as there have been precisely zero hurricanes this year.

      So is the planet cooling?

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 11 05 at 07:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. #12 You have much patience Nilknarf

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 11 05 at 07:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. Trenberth and the fellow believers in the 2005 hurricanes have a problem this year as there have been precisely zero hurricanes this year.

      Yeah, well, we found someone who can read the operators manual to the Japanese weather machine.  And, um, it’s working good now.

      Posted by wronwright on 2006 11 05 at 09:03 PM • permalink

 

    1. Okay people, the debate about whether or not there is a debate about climate change is over.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 11 05 at 10:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. #23 Trenberth and the fellow believers in the 2005 hurricanes have a problem this year as there have been precisely zero hurricanes this year.

      Don’t forget, I have already predicted they will find a way to blame the lack of hurricanes this year on Global Warming™…or Bush the Kyoto Dodger.

      Posted by rinardman on 2006 11 05 at 10:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. #25 Wronwright, you had better re-attach the optional cyclonitron attachment and send a couple of cyclones over central Queensland ASAP.  We need the water.

      Posted by entropy on 2006 11 05 at 11:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. #25, Wronwright, you mean I’ve been learning Japanese for no bloody reason then?

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 11 05 at 11:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. #24 Thank you, Wimpy Canadian. Just doing my small part to wind up the lefties.

      I figure if we spike enough of their little ‘actions’ and ‘petitions’ eventually someone on the receiving end will finally stand up and shout enough.

      Of course, this is incredibly optimistic of me, but you gotta have hope in this crazy world.

      Actually, I do it because it amuses me to take advantage of their generous offer of emailing my pollies. All I have to do is write and they do a mass mailout to all the pollies within a 3000km radius. I don’t need to go looking for addresses.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 11 06 at 12:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. #29 I really think so…

      Posted by crash on 2006 11 06 at 09:38 AM • permalink

 

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