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Abu Bakir Bashir—spiritual counsel to the Bali bombers, who’ve recently gone cold on the whole martyrdom concept—explains things to slow-learning liberals:
The principles of Islam cannot be altered and and there is no democracy in Islam or nonsense like ‘democratic Islam’. Democracy is shirik (unbelief) and haram. Here we do not compromise. Those who claim to be Muslims and do not support Shariah one hundred per cent are all munafik and kafirs, they are out of Islam. No need to discuss with these people, they are not part of the ummat anymore.
There is no need to listen to public opinion: kafirs, apostates, liberals, atheists – they are all non-believers …
No need to listen to liberals? They’ll be outraged! Or, more likely, they’ll simply cancel their flights for fear of Islamic terrorism while persisting in blaming the war-mongering West. Although non-mongerers are also targeted:
The planned attack here stunned Germans who thought the country’s vehement opposition to the Iraq war would insulate it from becoming a terror target almost five years after the attacks on Washington and New York.
Memo to liberals: you’re a root cause.
(Via Andrew Bolt)
The planned attack here stunned Germans who thought the country’s vehement opposition to the Iraq war…
As if that’s even close to the Islamotards’ prime motivation. Cuz they were so docile before that.
…would insulate it from becoming a terror target almost five years after the attacks on Washington and New York.
SURPRISE!
I have a not-real-interested-in-politics-and-such friend who has traveled to Germany several times over the past ten years. Two things she’s noticed over the course of her trips:
1) Increasing anti-Americanism.
2) More Muslims.
If these Muzzie retards had an once of brains, they’d leave the Germans and French alone and just keep breeding. But that’s a big “if”.
- “Ooooh the Germans
are mad at me, I’m so scared. Oooooh, the Germans! Uh oh, the Germans are coming to get me! Oh no, don’t let the Germans come after me. Oh, no the Germans are coming after me. No! They’re so big and strong. Oh, protect me from the Germans, the Germans!”Maybe it will finally dawn on Europeans that nothing will insulate them from attacks. In the end, the Islamofascists want us all dead.
- Poor taste I know, but anyone want to place bets on who will get it in the neck first when the Caliphate comes:
1) Lowenstein
2) Marr
3) Fisk
4) Kingston
5) Adams
6) Chomsky
7) Moore
8) Pilger
Place your bets folks.
Posted by Effing & Blinding on 2006 08 23 at 03:19 PM • permalink
- “The planned attack here stunned Germans who thought the country’s vehement opposition to the Iraq war would insulate it from becoming a terror target almost five years after the attacks on Washington and New York.”
Add to that the well-documented astronomical rise in German anti-Americanism across the political spectrum and it begs the question: Why in hell are US troops still in Germany? Its time for the POTUS to tell the Germans auf wiedersehen, bring the troops home and wish them good luck in defending their own country (they’re going to need it). In addition, the President should state that we wish them no ill will, in fact, he will encourage Americans to visit Germany while it is still in its pre-Islamic era.
Posted by Mark Razak on 2006 08 23 at 03:36 PM • permalink
- Mmm. Vanilla kafir. Oh, and I’ll have two mocha munafiks to go. BTW, wasn’t Smithers crushed under a wall in a Simpsons from last year? (I don’t know for certain as I gave up on the show about 5 years ago.)
And why are US troops still in Germany, Mark? Isn’t it obvious:
That, at least, is what one 27-year-old from Saudi Arabia believes. “It’s all a Protestant crusade,” the man explains. “All of northern Germany is Protestant, isn’t it? And so is President Bush.” Then the man launches into a melange of confusing arguments and historical facts. The bubonic plague, Martin Luther and former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl all make a cameo. It’s all connected somehow, the man is sure of it.
More at LGF.
Posted by andycanuck on 2006 08 23 at 03:43 PM • permalink
- #10 I assume you are referring to the Hessian mercenaries that fought with the British in the Revolutionary War? Point taken.
But I would put Islam as the earliest and most definitive “tradtional enemy” of the United States of America.
Where do you think “the Shores of Tripoli” in the Marine’s Hymn derives?
On Jefferson’s inauguration as president in 1801, Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha (or Bashaw) of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new administration. Jefferson refused the demand. Consequently, in May of 1801, the Pasha declared war on the United States, not through any formal written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally in Tripoli.
In response, Jefferson sent a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Although Congress never voted on a formal declaration of war, they did authorize the President to instruct the commanders of armed vessels of the United States to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli “and also to cause to be done all such other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war will justify.”
Algiers and Tunis backed down almost immediately on the show of force by the Americans, but Tripoli and Morocco remained committed. The American navy went unchallenged in the sea, and as yet the question remained undecided. Jefferson pressed the issue the following year, with an increase in military force and deployment of many of the navy’s best ships to the region throughout 1802. USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw service during the war under the overall command of Commodore Edward Preble. Throughout 1803, Preble set up and maintained a blockade of the Barbary ports and executed a campaign of raids and attacks against the cities’ fleets.
Not to mention Decatur.The USS Philadelphia captured Oct. 31. Stephen Decatur led 62 “volunteers” – and burned the Philadelphia on Feb. 16, 1804.
The First Barbary War was beneficial to the military reputation of the United States. America’s military command and war mechanism had been up to that time relatively untested.
The First Barbary War proved that America could execute a war far from home, and that American forces had the cohesion to fight together as Americans rather than Georgians or New Yorkers.
The United States Navy and Marines became a permanent part of the American government and the American mythos, and Decatur returned to the U.S. as its first post-Revolutionary war hero.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 23 at 05:19 PM • permalink
- Oh, and the Europeans continued to pay tribute for another 30+ years.Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 23 at 05:19 PM • permalink
- #14, MentalFloss
Sure and true, as usual But!! All three of our previous world wars were against the Germans, in whole or, as in the last case, in part 🙂
Also, there is no denying that the new reborn “islamism” is tied quite firmly to the “philosophies of the Germans” which were all the rage in the arab lands during the 1930s and 40s.
And lets not forget that piece of french forest where we got the “Devil Dog” title.
- Add the Socialists to the list.
The Socialists are divided: some think groups like Hezbollah are capitalists, while other socialists think they are not! go figure?
Posted by WeekByWeek on 2006 08 23 at 06:56 PM • permalink
- #7 Add Jennifer Griffin to your list. She’s the head of Fox News Mideast office located in Jerusalem and has taken every opportunity to present Palestinian propaganda as news. The profound stupidity of this woman was clearly revealed a few minutes ago in the reporting of the kidnaping of the two Fox reporters by the Palestinians. She says that she notes a fact that those of us stupid people could not have noted, namely, from the video the kidnappers have released, the kidnappers are treating them like guests. This is very important, according to her, because a guest to the Palestinians is a sacred charge, and so they wont hurt these guys.
So, according to this moron, these Palestinians are not kidnappers, but vigorous exponents of involuntary tourism
This idiot makes two other observations: (1) all the so-called terror groups, Hamas, Is Jihad, et al, have banded together to oppose the kidnaping, so they’re alright in my book, (2) the kidnappers belong to an unknown group. Yeh, right, because they’ve used a different name, nobody knows who they are. The Palestinian area is smaller than my home town, and everybody there knows everything that’s going on and by whom. (By the way, in her exposition she warned the Palestinians that if they don’t return the reporters, they will lose their chance to have their viewpoints publicized. Now there’s a confession of the Reuters, CNN type reporting she has been conducting if I’ve ever heard one.)
- 10. Grimmy, as a Yank of German ancestry, I thank Gaia every day that old Herr Vanguard got on that boat 150 years ago. Whenever someone asks the origin of my (very German) last name, I say “American”!Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 08 23 at 08:13 PM • permalink
No need to discuss with these people, they are not part of the ummat anymore.
There is no need to listen to public opinion: kafirs, apostates, liberals, atheists – they are all non-believers …
Somebody want to tell Flavius Antonius he’s being silenced again?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 23 at 08:26 PM • permalink
- #16 Grimmy, yeah, I know, I know.
It’s just that I can’t seem to help myself—gotta keep reminding people against whom the United States of America’s first war was fought.
Like a nervous tic, I guess.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 23 at 09:07 PM • permalink
- Ok, time to test out my American history;
Grimmy, didnt ‘devil dog’ originate on a sandy lump of coral somewhere between Cali and Japan, not the Ardennes?
MentalFloss, didnt America fight their first war against Britain?
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 08 23 at 09:34 PM • permalink
- Wizard of WOZ, um, no and no.
AFAIK, the ‘devil dogs’ nickname was given the marines by the Kaiser’s boys.
And technically, America’s first war after the Revolution was the Whiskey Rebellion…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 23 at 09:43 PM • permalink
- #24 Not as “The United States of America” they didn’t.
#25 The Whiskey Rebellion was just that—a rebellion—against “revenoors”—in the western counties of PA. Not a war against a foreign sovereign nation.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 23 at 10:00 PM • permalink
- #25, oops I kind of forgot about the first time through France…Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 08 23 at 10:34 PM • permalink
- #19
The Socialists are divided: some think groups like Hezbollah are capitalists, while other socialists think they are not!
Well, they’re printing a ton of their own U.S. money so they must 1970’s Galbraith Keynesians!
Posted by andycanuck on 2006 08 23 at 10:43 PM • permalink
- The Canadian Islamic Congress is adding its voice to renewed calls for the federal government to review its 2002 decision to place Hezbollah and Hamas on its list of banned alleged terrorist organizations.
The Islamics will start marketing this concept here in Australia and then Britain. etc. They have a lovely world wide marketing dept here on Earth. Do the same quote and then do it world wide. Kinda like Reuters. It’s like Syncronised Jihad. Kyza Trad has tried to address this issue.
- The Canadian Islamic Congress is adding its voice to renewed calls for the federal government to review its 2002 decision to place Hezbollah and Hamas on its list of banned alleged terrorist organizations.
I guess that’s the Muslim response to Western demands that they get their own house in order – rather than actually rooting out the terrorists in their midst, they’d rather try to persuade the rest of us that those guys aren’t terrorists to begin with. Somehow I don’t think that’s going to be a winning strategy, except with UN types.
- #23 MentalFloss:
No worries. Never hurts to remind folk that almost nothing is as new as it tends to seem.
and for old wars long forgotten, this one’s up there too
The U.S. – French Quasi-Warslightly O/T but fulfilling a moral obligation to evangelize the faith, I offer this for any that may find themselves afraid, unsure or concerned over our eventual victory:
American Spartans by James A. Warren.
and
Warfighting MCDP 1After reading both, or either of those, a body might feel compelled to permit feelings of pity for the enemy.
That compulsion should be denied.(From the Notes section at end of document)
“8. “Kind-hearted people might, of course, think there was
some ingenious way to disarm or defeat an enemy without too much
bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war.
Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: war is
such a dangerous business that the mistakes which come from kindness
are the very worst . . .
“This is how the matter must be seen. It would be futile—even
wrong—to try to shut one’s eyes to what war really is from sheer
distress at its brutality.” Clausewitz, pp. 75–76.”
- At least one Aussie Muzzie is standing up to be counted:
THE founder of Australian mobile phone giant Crazy John’s has attacked “self-appointed” Muslim leaders, accusing them of destroying his community’s progress, and questioning their allegiance to this country.
John Ilhan, one of the nation’s most successful Muslims, yesterday blamed many first-generation community members for being opposed to Western ideals and cultural diversity, and accused them of “conditioning” their children to follow in their footsteps.
- Seems Germans have a short memory when it comes to home-grown terror. It comes to them naturally.
Two words: Baader-Meinhof.
The anarchists wreaking havoc in London in The Secret Agent, although not named, seem to be Germans.
The 5-times married former foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, had disreputable green and terrorist connections.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 08 24 at 12:56 AM • permalink
- America’s first war was with the Indians, Mad Anthony Wayne, Fallen Timbers and all that, 1794.
We were losing that one, badly, up till Fallen Timbers. Then came France.
Up until around 1920, though, Britain was the traditional enemy of the U.S., (with Spain in waiting) thanks to Northern resentment of British sympathy for the Confederacy, Irish antagonism, and tendentious histories of the Revolution and War of 1812, not to mention commercial rivalries.
Owen Wister, author of ‘The Virginian’ and a sort of spokesman for WASP values, wrote a book in 1920 (the same year the mayor of Chicago promised to punch King George in the snoot if he visited the US) called ‘A Straight Deal or the Ancient Grudge,’ which was a plea for Americans to forget their animus against Britain and wholeheartedly embrace the League of Nations.
Politics sure is funny some ways.
Posted by Harry Eagar on 2006 08 24 at 01:25 AM • permalink
- Meanwhile, back in ummat Christian Australia, atheist Phillip Adams bravely discusses people whose views ‘are rooted in a religious base’.
He says that’s OK, but only “as long as they argue in a democratic way”.Phil overlooks a few points:
1. Argument is logical and fact-based, or uses moral precepts, it is not democratic or undemocratic.2. As an atheist with about 5% of the population with him on a good day, Phil is hardly in a position to push his own views then, but he does anyway – this is the ABC Australia he works for.
3. Christian countries represent nearly all the democracies in the world, and created a few others along the way, like Japan.
3. Adamski is trying to slur religious people as ‘undemocratic’ obscurantists, but thinks atheism and agnosticism are not metaphysical beliefs too, apparently, so they must be rational and ‘democratic’.Rant on, Adamski
- #37, Barrie:
3. Adamski is trying to slur religious people as ‘undemocratic’ obscurantists, but thinks atheism and agnosticism are not metaphysical beliefs too, apparently, so they must be rational and ‘democratic’.
So, he’s saying something like
This is a cat, it is brown, therefore all cats are brown and all brown things are cats, except my cat which is brown, but not a brown cat?
- #36, No flies on Michikinikwa (or, later, Tecumseh), they drubbed Harmer, St. Clair and “Mad” Wayne good and proper—and indeed “treaties” were involved—but I reiterate: A confederation of indian tribes, does not a nation make.
I stand by my assertion that the United States of America’s first war was fought against Islamic States.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 24 at 02:02 AM • permalink
- I wonder what’s happening in sunny South Africa. Are the mad mullahs calling us infidels Kaffirs?Posted by rampisadmukerjee on 2006 08 24 at 02:20 AM • permalink
- #25
Bloody hell, Australia (New South Wales, to be precise), had a Rum Rebellion, under Governor William Bligh (yup, of the Bounty).
O/T
Submitted my paperwork today for a passport. Amongst the submission were two copies of a photograph, endorsed as being of me. Harrumph. As I handed them over the counter I told the Post Office Administrator ‘I don’t know who this is, I’m told it’s me.’
I’m sure that they aren’t me.
- Democracy: is a political system which has many different meanings and can take different forms. It is often incorrectly used as a synonym for capitalism. Fundamentally, it means a government of, by and for the people.
Is that why they’re bringing in so many Islamics to Britain? To change democracy by majority?
- #42 kae—bad photo eh? Ha! Try travelling incessantly for 10 years with this mug being perused at every border, airport and official enclave.Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 24 at 03:36 AM • permalink
- I’ve been watching that one, indcoup. How long do you think it will take for them to find something to charge her on and thus make the ruling moot?Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 08 24 at 07:15 AM • permalink
- #36, never been a big fan of WASP’s, being a White Norman (SOOO not Northern) Irish Catholic and all…
Floss, at least u dont look like a bogan with a skin head. Worst comes to worst; u got them 3 Magik letters above your noggin… 😉
Remember folks, if u look shite in the passport/drivers license foto, u will look shite for at least 5 years. (In this part of OZ neways…)
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 08 24 at 03:30 PM • permalink
- #45 All part of the cunning plan, grimmy.Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 24 at 05:05 PM • permalink
- #50 With respect, mojo, at what point in the thread do you start reading?
Just askin…
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 24 at 05:19 PM • permalink
- #49 Dell (it superceded the HP system I’d had since 2001)
But got a bit of help from a friend last nite, uninstalled and reinstalled it and it’s now working. I’ve just got off the phone from Dell tech assistance ‘cos my keyboard wouldn’t work… arrgh, me, speechless!! It’s just not on!
I’m not a computer literate person, I just know enough to be dangerous.
- Reuters is hiring, kae, if you’d like a new job.
;^)Posted by andycanuck on 2006 08 25 at 12:04 AM • permalink
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