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Robert Fisk asks:
Did Israel use a secret new uranium-based weapon in southern Lebanon this summer … ?
Israel could have done. After all, Fisk knows his Israeli weaponry:
The Israeli missiles had pierced the very centre of the red cross painted on the roof of each vehicle. Did the pious use the cross as their aiming point?
Meanwhile, Fisk is still yet to mention a recent goofy claim that 655,000 Iraqis died due to coalition liberation. He ain’t believin’ it.
- It could well be. Uranium is really heavy. It would go right through an ambulance roof, if dropped on it.Posted by rhhardin on 2006 10 29 at 09:29 AM • permalink
- Fuck me! Fisk tells the truth:
“Depleted uranium is less radioactive than natural uranium, which is less radioactive than enriched uranium.”
The Satin Bag finally, finally, finally brings Truth to Power. Truth to Power.
We need the Fisk to acknowledge the Truth, and if not the Truth, the accuracy, accuracy, accuracy of the Lancet figures of 655,000 dead since March 2003, a mere 503 per day on average.
After all, the Satin Bag was there every day, so he must, must, must have noticed all these bodies being buried amidst the accomponying ululating. He must have noticed.
- Did the pious use the cross as their aiming point?
That’s genuinely sick. Can somebody explain that garbage other than as raw bigotry? I can’t. Is Fisk always a nauseating as that?
…large clouds of black smoke that might result from burning uranium…What, is that the kind of smoke he always saw when he was a kid and they burned uranium in the back yard?
He’s not even pretending to make any sense, nor to refer to reality. Because he doesn’t have to, any more than David Duke has to make sense when he shrieks about black people. The audience just doesn’t care.
Posted by Don’t Bogart that Midget, Comrade! on 2006 10 29 at 10:18 AM • permalink
- Oh my, where to begin…
Snippets…
1. Metallic uranium (U) is a silver-white, lustrous, dense, weakly radioactive element. It is ubiquitous throughout the natural environment, and is found in varying but small amounts in rocks, soils, water, air, plants, animals and in all human beings.
Natural uranium consists of a mixture of three radioactive isotopes which are identified by the mass numbers 238U (99.27% by mass), 235U (0.72%) and 234U (0.0054%).
On average, approximately 90 µg (micrograms) of uranium exists in the human body from normal intakes of water, food and air. About 66% is found in the skeleton, 16% in the liver, 8% in the kidneys and 10% in other tissues.
2. A recent United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) report giving field measurements taken around selected impact sites in Kosovo (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) indicates that contamination by DU in the environment was localized to a few tens of metres around impact sites. Contamination by DU dusts of local vegetation and water supplies was found to be extremely low. Thus, the probability of significant exposure to local populations was considered to be very low.
World Health Organization3. As to the 1300 Lebanese lives claim…
Snippets…
Long before hostilities erupted on July 12, Hezbollah construction teams had gone out and modified numerous Lebanese homes. Sometimes with, but most the time without, the homeowner’s permission, workers began adding on a large, single-function room. These rooms were unique for, when completed, they lacked an essential element of all rooms — a door. Each room was sealed shut — but only, and immediately, after an object was placed inside.
The residences Hezbollah selected for these unsolicited “home improvements” were chosen for their proximity to the Israeli border. When the fighting started after Tel Aviv responded militarily to Hezbollah’s July cross-border raid, resulting in the deaths of three Israeli soldiers and the capture of two more, the purpose of the covert home improvements became evident to the owners — though many were destroyed by Israeli air strikes before they could be activated.
There was one major flaw in Hezbollah’s home-conversion-to-missile-launch-site plan: Their construction activities had not gone unnoticed by Israeli intelligence. Closely monitoring Hezbollah’s activities, they knew in advance the locations of most sites. As each room was completed, it had been added to Israel’s target list so, once fighting started, it could quickly be destroyed — its civilian hosts in many cases becoming collateral damage due to Hezbollah’s illegal use of such a tactic.
So Fisk, what are your thoughts on the recent U.S. Baseball World Series win by the St. Louis Cardinals?
- until journalists discovered dying and dead civilians whose wounds caught fire when exposed to air.
I saw two dead babies who, when taken from a mortuary drawer in West Beirut during the Israeli siege of the city, suddenly burst back into flames.
These would be dead civilians and babies who were kept in an airless vacuum until “discovered by journalists”? Honestly, I know that the people who read Fisk avidly are not known for their critical thinking skills, but how can anyone not see at least some of his lunatic drivel for what it is?
- Why not just accuse the Jews of witchcraft and be done with it?
Or is that charge reserved for Monsanto?
Posted by Don’t Bogart that Midget, Comrade! on 2006 10 29 at 11:35 AM • permalink
- “A photograph of the explosion of the first bomb shows large clouds of black smoke that might result from burning uranium.”
Which also explains the strange, hexagonal symmetry in thse clouds. See, it wasn’t Photoshopped after all!
Posted by Tatterdemalian on 2006 10 29 at 12:17 PM • permalink
- Which also explains the strange, hexagonal symmetry in these clouds. See, it wasn’t Photoshopped after all!
(I hate when I hit the Submit button by accident in mid-edit.)
Posted by Tatterdemalian on 2006 10 29 at 12:22 PM • permalink
I saw two dead babies who, when taken from a mortuary drawer in West Beirut during the Israeli siege of the city, suddenly burst back into flames.
You’re kidding me. No one is that stupid, are they? I mean, no one could be so stupid as to write that, no one could be so stupid as to print that, and no one could be so stupid as to believe that, right?
Because unless they keep bodies submerged in oil or water, there’s no possible way that could be true. To believe it is to surrender all pretext of rationality and sink yourself in the morass of magical thinking.
Then I read the comments on that page, and realized that, yes, these are people who have abandoned rational thought and are worse than Medieval peasants.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 10 29 at 12:44 PM • permalink
- #19 That might explain the holes in the ambulance if they were prema..no that’s getting too sick.
Let’s not mention that Beirut was never under siege – just a particular neighbourhood or two got bombed into the Kingdom Come.
I can’t be bothered reading Fisk: he was one of the first journo’s names I learnt when I started blogging and I have studiously avoided reading him since. And yes I confess, I haven’t read this piece nor do I intend to. However, there was a video report during the Hezbollah-Israel conflict from, you guessed it, a hospital in Tyre, where a you guessed it, Lebanese doctor claimed Israel was using phosphorus which looked like another Hezbollywood production to me. I wonder if Fisk was watching…let me see if I can dig it up again.
- On average, approximately 90 µg (micrograms) of uranium exists in the human body from normal intakes of water, food and air. About 66% is found in the skeleton, 16% in the liver, 8% in the kidneys and 10% in other tissues.
I wonder if there’s quack money to be made by telling moonbats you know how to make them healthier by depleting the uranium in their body.
They’re using Jewranium, enriched with the blood of Gentile children.
Excellent. Altho Gentile children are a bit hard to find in that area, I bet they were using the blood of Muslim children.
…probably why the bombs didn’t work as well. The spontaneously combustible Muslim children were going off too soon.
Can people who read Fisk be bigger idiots?
I saw two dead babies who, when taken from a mortuary drawer in West Beirut during the Israeli siege of the city, suddenly burst back into flames.
Lessee… his ever-so-honorable Hezbo “contacts” place small incendiary devices in the corpses of two children and set them off for dear Bobby’s benefit and his first thought is, “Oh! Those filty, dirty Jews!”?
Are you seeing what I’ve seeing?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 10 29 at 02:01 PM • permalink
- Elemental white phosphorus ignites spontaneously in air that’s warmer than about 35C. The red allotrope doesn’t burn so easily, but that’s only in comparison to the white (or yellow) allotrope. At lower temperatures is just glows in the dark…until it warms up enough to light off.
I’m sure some moonbat could run with this one.
Memories of having access to the stockroom as a high-school chemlab assistant…
Elemental white phosphorus ignites spontaneously in air that’s warmer than about 35C. The red allotrope doesn’t burn so easily, but that’s only in comparison to the white (or yellow) allotrope. At lower temperatures is just glows in the dark…until it warms up enough to light off.
Well, I stand corrected. It is physically possible.
Anyone want to bet that Fiska actually saw any such thing, though?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 10 29 at 02:30 PM • permalink
- Oh yeah, I forgot to answer, this question in my #8 post.
Did Israel use a secret new uranium-based weapon in southern Lebanon this summer … ?
Here they are being loaded onto Israeli F-16’s, for the drop on a Hezbollah targeted house.
Since, On average, approximately 90 µg (micrograms) of uranium exists in the human body from normal intakes of water, food and air. About 66% is found in the skeleton, 16% in the liver, 8% in the kidneys and 10% in other tissues.
They were in fact, Israel’s secret new uranium-based weapon.
- #18, 25 etc. That sounds like Hamas Spontaneous Combustion to me. Although that usually happens to adults in the P.A. rather than babies’ bodies in Beirut.
#11, Jews weigh the same as ducks? Won’t that please that leftist Aussie cartoonist whose name escapes me at this moment.
And #7 Yes, I used to love the smell in autumn of neighbours burning leaves and uranium in their backyards but it’s been banned in Toronto now for several years due to global warming concerns.
Posted by andycanuck on 2006 10 29 at 04:30 PM • permalink
- Fisk said:
the Israeli army also used phosphorous bombs, weapons which are supposed to be restricted under the third protocol of the Geneva Conventions, which neither Israel nor the United States have signed.
“The third protocol of the Geneva Conventions” establishes a
new symbol to supplement the Red Cross and Red Crescent (or, as Fisk would have it, a new “aiming point”). It has nothing at all to do with “phosphorous bombs”, or any other weapons.
- C’mon, the Israelis deny having the bomb and if you can’t believe the IDF who can you believe?Posted by Miranda Divide on 2006 10 29 at 06:02 PM • permalink
- Actually, Miranda, from your own link we see this quote:
“For understandable operational reasons, the IDF does not respond to [accounts of] details of weaponry in its possession.
So they don’t deny having phosphorous bombs at all, but will not confirm it either. It’s basically a standard no-comment comment.
You need to read your propaganda a little more closely.
- Depleted uranium, phospherous, cluster bombs. Thats paco industries next secret weapon.
With added metal aging and ambulance cross seeking capabilities.
Its all verry hush hush and on the QT though. I only know this because Ive been selected as head drone for target control, its a prestigous position so Ive been informed.
I wonder if a rumor of a weapon like that would go far on Kindymedia?Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 29 at 09:11 PM • permalink
- Meanwhile, Fisk is still yet to mention a recent goofy claim that 655,000 Iraqis died due to coalition liberation. He ain’t believin’ it.
Actually, Fisk is such a thorough investigative jornalist that he intends to visit all the morgues in Iraq first.
He proudly said he did visit those in Baghdad a year or more ago [while others cowered in their hotels] and was sure the corrected Lancet figure was ‘at least 150,000, not 100,000’ [I heard him say it!]So expect his New Estimate soon: ‘over one million’
- </i>And it looks like Miranda still hasn’t checked out the link I provided about cluster bombs.
http://tinyurl.com/yajus8“Hezbollah used cluster munitions in war with Israel: HRW” is the headline.
Posted by andycanuck on 2006 10 29 at 09:51 PM • permalink
- Somebody opened the italics cabinet again. Tim will never be able to afford it.Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 10 29 at 11:54 PM • permalink
- Hmmm. Close all did not work.Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 10 29 at 11:55 PM • permalink
- The Devil is in the details.
If you read the Fisk article, he does not claim that Israel is using Depleted Uranium. Or even nornal Uranium.
The claim is that Israel is using fabulously expensive Enriched Uranium. I quote:
According to Dr Chris Busby, the British Scientific Secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, two soil samples thrown up by Israeli heavy or guided bombs showed “elevated radiation signatures”. Both have been forwarded for further examination to the Harwell laboratory in Oxfordshire for mass spectrometry – used by the Ministry of Defence – which has confirmed the concentration of uranium isotopes in the samples.
Dr Busby’s initial report states that there are two possible reasons for the contamination. “The first is that the weapon was some novel small experimental nuclear fission device or other experimental weapon (eg, a thermobaric weapon) based on the high temperature of a uranium oxidation flash … The second is that the weapon was a bunker-busting conventional uranium penetrator weapon employing enriched uranium rather than depleted uranium.”
Yes, the claim is that Israel is using teeny-weeny Hiroshima-Type Nuclear Weapons. Or some Magical Jew Chemical Science that can only be accomplished by the use of radioactive rather than non-radioactive Uranium, despite their identical chemical properties. Or maybe just $2,000/kg 1.5% enriched Uranium rather than $100/kg depleted Uranium to add mass for some dastardly Jewish purpose, probably involving Matzoh meal and the blood of Christian Children.
There is only one likely, and distinctly worrying possibility if enriched uranium really was found at the target area, a claim I am taking with a grain of Uranium salts, but which I can’t entirely discount.
It wasn’t from the bomb : it was from the target. Not a “Nuke”, but possibly either a “Dirty Bomb” or some facilities used in weapons research.
Well, we knew that a lot of Iraqi gear went into the Bekaa valley.
I wonder if there’s been any tests for chemical contamination at any of the target sites?
- Sheesh.Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 10 30 at 02:13 AM • permalink
- Now?Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 10 30 at 02:14 AM • permalink
- Somebody’s in trouble now…Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 10 30 at 02:15 AM • permalink
- Barrie’s got some serious tag-fu goin’ on there.
Damn.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 10 30 at 02:17 AM • permalink
- “…that the Israeli army also used phosphorous bombs…”
Good. The more Hezbollah terrorists who fry, the better.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 10 30 at 02:28 PM • permalink
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