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Robert Fisk: “The bloggers are winning.”

Posted by Tim B. on 07/23/2007 at 11:53 AM
    1. I despise the internet.

      Luddite … surprise, surprise!

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 23 at 12:10 PM • permalink


    1. Fisk is saying the bloggers are winning?  Fisk is saying that?  That, that’s not a good sign.

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 07 23 at 12:12 PM • permalink


    1. Am I imagining this? The dark side is winning? The moonbats are dimming?

      It’s about time.

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 07 23 at 12:15 PM • permalink


    1. This internet … it’s a f*cking frying pan, you saw it!

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 23 at 12:20 PM • permalink


    1. I despise the internet.

      Afghan children despise you, Robert; guess that evens things out.

      Posted by RogerBournival on 2007 07 23 at 12:23 PM • permalink


    1. Apparently, Fiskie despises everyone.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 23 at 12:29 PM • permalink


    1. It’s irresponsible and, often, a net of hate
      May I say this now?  I think it is my responsibility for letting each and everyone of you know that I absolutely love you.

      Posted by missred on 2007 07 23 at 01:00 PM • permalink


    1. #6 The_Real_JeffS

      Apparently, Fiskie despises everyone.

      Pretty much… his current “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” affair with Islamism not withstanding. What should you expect from a bitter old Marxist. The last 16 years have been trying, I’m certain.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 07 23 at 01:02 PM • permalink


    1. The bloggers are winning

      Now, really. This f***wit has just woken up to the fact that we don’t swallow his every word – hook, line and sinker? We were onto him and his ilk long ago. Just didn’t have a medium through which to freely express our views before algore (pardon my french, I don’t like to swear in public) invented the internet.

      Fisky. Get your girl to call his girl so you can do lunch. You two need to talk.

      Posted by SandiM on 2007 07 23 at 01:27 PM • permalink


    1. What’s this about Jan Wong?  “A third generation Canadian, she moved to China during Mao’s ‘cultural revolution’ and, in her own words, ‘snitched on class enemies and did my best to be a good little Maoist.’”

      I hope her soul-searching went a little deeper than the triteness of this admission, to which she seems to attach about as much importance as cheating on a high school biology exam. In any event, what is the relevance to Fisk’s point? (Rhetorical question, folks, don’t bother to answer it).

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 23 at 01:40 PM • permalink


    1. Boo Hoo Fisk. The peasants are in the process of storming the media castle walls. Deal with it and quit whining.

      Posted by greene on 2007 07 23 at 01:47 PM • permalink


    1. Once they were the greenfields, home of the big mediasan.
      They were the valleys where actionlines and agendas used to run.
      They were the blue skies because there was nobody to say “hey! son”.

      I’ll never know what made them go away.
      Oh wait!  Yes I do!
      <Insertion of favorite snarkity-snark goes here>

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 07 23 at 02:15 PM • permalink


    1. The meaning of the term “Fisking” is in danger of becoming intransitive: “Being the last one to catch on”.

      Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2007 07 23 at 02:42 PM • permalink


    1. If only, Harry Bergeron, if only.

      Why is RebeccaH in the hospital and this piece of crap is still wagging his finger in our faces!  No question mark.  Rhetorical question.  My sense of injustice hasn’t changed, even at 60 years of age.

      Posted by saltydog on 2007 07 23 at 03:14 PM • permalink


    1. Saltydog, I’m still wondering why Elvis is dead and Jimmy Carter isn’t.

      Posted by SwampWoman on 2007 07 23 at 03:48 PM • permalink


    1. Here’s a practical question of website design for the Belfast Telegrah.  Where in that article anywhere (beginning, middle or end) does it say it was by Robert Fisk?  It doesn’t.  How bad is that?

      The only clue is in the box below of article titles for recent articles.  Otherwise, and at some point in the future, how would we know?

      Posted by kcom on 2007 07 23 at 04:21 PM • permalink


    1. On second thought, the exact ownership of Jimmy Carter’s sanctimoniously shriveled little soul for all eternity is probably being hotly debated right now:

      “No. You got Elvis. I’m getting the rappers, accordian players, and the occasional bagpipes and didgeridoo. I’m not even going to mention my reaction whenever I hear “tiptoe through the tulips” and that f***ing ukelele. I’ve got a bunch of horny Islamists looking for virgins and gang-raping my demons, and now the demons are all demanding armor for their backsides and a salary increase, and you want to foist Carter off on me, too? Next you’ll be asking me to take Ted Kennedy, and the answer is the same.  Hell, no.”

      Posted by SwampWoman on 2007 07 23 at 04:43 PM • permalink


    1. That “bitter old Marxist” hasn’t come within pissing distance of the truth for decades.  He’s really angry at the prospect of never, ever again being able to get away with his whoppers with impunity.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 07 23 at 04:44 PM • permalink


    1. The internet is irresponsible?

      Uh, Bob – you DO know that “the internet” isn’t some big box somewhere, don’t you? Nor is it sentient (yet).

      Or do you mean the USERS of the internet (all 4 billion of ‘em” are irresponsible?

      Posted by mojo on 2007 07 23 at 05:18 PM • permalink


    1. 14 – in like vein, in Australia last night we had a program on Belinda Emmitt, who died recently from cancer.  A pretty special young lady.  Then I see this loser toss a brick from a bridge and nearly kill a girl is let out on bail.  He gets freedom while the girl is fighting for her life, and even if she miraculously lives, will be brain damaged.

      The world is seriously screwed in so many ways.

      Posted by peter m on 2007 07 23 at 06:04 PM • permalink


    1. It’s just another “you’re repressing my free speech” statement from one of those whose speeches have received wide exposure and have earned him a living for many years.
      Blogs are “other voices”, not necessarily of the same church as Fisk or those he seeks to defend. They are chatting and muttering during his homily, and his readings from the book are disrupted. He’s complaining that some newspapers from time to time switch off the PA system.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 07 23 at 06:26 PM • permalink


    1. On 13/7 I emailed Jack Lacton’s summary of the ABC’s treatment of Durkin’s GGWS doco to a retired ABC journo.
      The journo’s response:

      …bloggers are notorious for using the internet to air their often uninformed opinions. It is the only way these clowns can get the public attention they crave.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 07 23 at 06:51 PM • permalink


    1. I realise that it might be heretical on this blog to suggest that a person who has said a lot of stupid things in the past might still be capable of saying perfectly valid things from time to time, but isn’t he making quite a reasonable point? Blogs are winning. I don’t think he’s justrealised it. I don’t think he actually hates the internet. His whole article sounds to me like he thinks they are winning for perfectly sound reasons which is that the MSM is gutless and beholden to greater interests than accuracy. A hypocrite may yet speak the truth.

      Posted by ooh honey honey on 2007 07 23 at 06:57 PM • permalink


    1. So Fisk is a stopped clock that tells the correct time twice a day?

      Posted by rick mcginnis on 2007 07 23 at 07:30 PM • permalink


    1. 24 – Tenuous little analogy (in that even clocks that do work don’t go and collect evidence before they report the time). I think the article would have been received here very differently had the author been unnamed.

      Posted by ooh honey honey on 2007 07 23 at 07:52 PM • permalink


    1. #23 – I guess the weird thing is that Fisk doesn’t appear to realize that HE HIMSELF, as a serial liar and full-time ignoramus, is part of the problem. Fisk is in fact an excellent embodiment of everything that’s wrong with the MSM.

      Posted by Crispytoast on 2007 07 23 at 07:54 PM • permalink


    1. Fisk irritates us. If he said the sky was blue we’d check for cloud cover.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 07 23 at 08:23 PM • permalink


    1. Fisk has a poor track record on describing reality, ooh honey honey.  Seriously.  Fisk is irritating, but he would report the sky as blue if he that was the “real” truth.

      There’s a reason why his name was verbed.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 23 at 09:01 PM • permalink


    1. #9
      The old Lefty dinosaurs don’t like this new meeja … the peasants talking back to the Ministry of Truth … What? What?

      Phatty enjoys that the drones can download his sermons to their pods, but what’s this web talkback blogging thingy?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 23 at 09:35 PM • permalink


    1. Fisk despises the internet?

      But algore invented the internet!  How can he despise something that algore invented?

      If he is being consistent, he will have to come out and say he despises global warming next.

      That should hurt.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2007 07 23 at 10:19 PM • permalink


    1. Tim, I got good laugh out of your headline. Love that sly irony.

      Posted by phil_b on 2007 07 23 at 11:11 PM • permalink


    1. Summary:

      I read – via the Internet, as I’ve never seen a copy of the “Belfast Telegraph” and they’re a bit hard to come by in Chonburi, Thailand – that:

      I despise the internet. It’s irresponsible and, often, a net of hate.

      Then Fisk goes on to give evidence for this. Well, no, it’s just a flat assertion. He’s right in one area though, “despise” is a fairly heavily semantically loaded word, redolent of hate. And I read Fisk’s word on the net.He then goes on to savage the blogs newspapers in competition with blogs. ?????

      In those criticisms, I can find no fault. Fisk, as has been said, is not always wrong. Just 90% of the time. When reporting facts, he’s better than when giving his opinions, which as a general rule should be ignored.

      Anyway, it’s not, or shouldn’t be, about “winning” or “losing”, it’s about reticulating facts, news, either unspun (ideal) or with an equitable variety of spins (probably the best that can be achieved in practice). It’s not “our side” vs “their side” that’s important, only that the information gets conveyed as accurately and with the least distortion possible.

      If it was blogs reporting Invisible Joo Ambulance-Seeking Missiles that coincidentally targeted the circular air vent in innocent Palestinian ambulances, and newspapers showing the whole thing was hogwash and against physical laws, then I’d be cheering the newspapers.

      Posted by Zoe Brain on 2007 07 24 at 12:34 AM • permalink


    1. I would imagine that Fisk has his hand on the panhandle at this moment in time.  And when caught he shouts “It’s a Fucking frying pan”, but he is really taking down some shorthand for his latest blurb of bigotry.

      Posted by Howzat on 2007 07 24 at 03:08 AM • permalink


    1. “I despise the internet” … How can an adult “despise” something that, far from being a moral being about whom some moral value-judgement can be made, is not even a material object but a concept or process of arranging computers? It is like saying with passionate indignation that “I despise triangles.”

      Posted by McAnzac on 2007 07 24 at 03:46 AM • permalink


    1. #22 – Heh. Nice one. No attempt to defend what the ABC did, though, I bet.

      And by the way, if there’s a journalist more informed on the subject of global warming than my good self then I’m yet to see their work.

      Posted by Jack Lacton on 2007 07 24 at 04:49 AM • permalink


    1. He despises the medium that gave him his infamy?

      This self inflated geek is a kangaroo short in the top paddock.

      Posted by mehaul on 2007 07 24 at 06:04 AM • permalink


  1. #35 Just the usual, Jack. The ABC was obliged to dismantle Durkin’s work because it was “contrary to the main body of science”.
    Rest assured that my journo correspondent in no way threatens your knowledge on global warming.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2007 07 24 at 06:17 AM • perma