WHEEL GOOD RESEARCH

Own a 4WD? You a bad person:

A new study has found that city owners of large four-wheel-drive vehicles are less community minded than other drivers, less charitable, more likely to be homophobic and have a low opinion of indigenous culture.

The study, crafted by the leftoid Australia Institute, also found that owners of vehicles which deliver propulsion via all four wheels “are more likely to use force to get their way” and have “a lower regard for the welfare system than the general population”. In related news, 100% of Australia Institute studies are composed by idiots.

Via Evil Pundit. By the way, if you’re worried about falling into the wrong vehicular demographic, you can always buy a Honda Jazz.

Posted by Tim B. on 09/26/2005 at 12:46 PM
    1. The British are at fault, beginning with the Land Rover.

      As for indigenous culture, my British-made boomerang comes with a 4WD dog

      out

      return

      to make it operate correctly.

      Posted by rhhardin on 09/26 at 01:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. Yep, I own an SUV and a full size van besides and they got me pegged to a tee.  But now that I think about it, some people have larger SUV’s than others.  Does that make them more inclined to lean that way (i.e., not give a shit about anyone else or what anyone else cares about) than those with smaller SUV’s? 

      Hmmm.  McEnroe drives a Hummer about as big as an M1A1 battle tank.  He had it painted Desert Storm mottled yellow too.  Now that I think about it, he’s also been painting little black silhouettes of small cars on the drivers side door and the number of them have been increasing at an alarming rate.

      Maybe there is a correlation.

      Posted by wronwright on 09/26 at 01:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well I like to run over people with all four of my wheels- equally driven.

      Call me an equal oppurtunity runover-er. I believe in this for my wheels.

      Plus the skidding afterwards can be a real beach-with hydroplaning and such in the puddles of…

      Well you get the idea.

      /Sarc tag included for the gullible lurkers from Webdiary AND Chris Sheils.

      Posted by madawaskan on 09/26 at 01:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. Cr*p-I left that spelling error to lure in “cretan”….

      Posted by madawaskan on 09/26 at 01:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. Homophobia means they scare you.

      Homophilia means you like them.

      What’s the word for when they don’t scare you, but you don’t like them?

      Posted by Parker on 09/26 at 01:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. I drive a gas guzzling ‘88 Suburban, but it’s not 4WD. Guess that makes me a sort of Genghis Khan lite.

      Have the environauts considered the improved safety to the driver provided by these whales? My wife was driving the Suburban one day and got side-swiped by some doofus in a Mustang. While the Suburban suffered a few scratches and dings, the Mustang was ultimately sold for parts. And no, I don’t mean to imply that all drivers of Mustangs are doofuses (or is it doofi?). Just this particular guy who was out of his league in the speed and handling department.

      Posted by paco on 09/26 at 01:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. #5: Heterosexualicentrism?

      Posted by paco on 09/26 at 01:33 PM • permalink

 

    1. Your typical Hummer Driver is probably Lizzie Grubman (Google for the backstory) on the car phone in the 2nd of the Imus interviews Grubman2

      The first interview at Grubman1 which probably makes most sense heard first but I think it involves a Mercedes.

      Posted by rhhardin on 09/26 at 01:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. paco,

      We should all be driving Hummers, then?

      I think the “safety” of an SUV is at least overstated, if not a myth. I’ve twice been involved in road accidents as a passenger in an SUV (a Chevy Blazer and a Jeep Cherokee): neither incident was particularly serious, but both times the SUV rolled over. Had the accidents occured at highway speeds, I doubt very much I would still be here.

      Needless to say, I would never own one.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 09/26 at 01:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. Translate the study into German, and replace “city owners of large four-wheel-drive vehicles” with “Jews”.

      Posted by Sheriff on 09/26 at 01:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. Why not just get it over with and accuse SUV owners of eating kittens?

      Posted by MikeTheLibrarian on 09/26 at 02:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. #5 – “Homoambivalent.”

      Posted by Dave S. on 09/26 at 02:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. Why on earth would anybody commission a study like this, unless its sole purpose is to denigrate others?  Surely that’s not the mission of the caring, compassionately tilted left?

      I drive a Ford Ranger by the way (pickup for the uninitiated).

      Posted by RebeccaH on 09/26 at 02:03 PM • permalink

 

    1. MikeTheLibrarian

      No, babies!

      =^0

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 09/26 at 02:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. At least the study’s not agenda-driven. Please excuse me, I got a pimp in my crib.

      Posted by chinesearithmetic on 09/26 at 02:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. I want to know how they did this “survey” and how many people did they survey. I have a funny feeling that that’s “confidential” information.

      Posted by zefal on 09/26 at 02:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hey! You eviiiilll four wheelers-

      Celebrate this!

      Mother Sheehan Arrested

      Gawd I’m glad the cops wear gloves.

      Posted by madawaskan on 09/26 at 02:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. “Based on a Roy Morgan Research survey in 2003-04 of 24,718 people aged 14 and over”

      Must’ve breezed over that part. How many 14-year-olds drive? I’m guessing that’s where they got the more than twice as likely to say “I was born to shop” than the rest of the population. I wonder if those people just blurted that out on their own as if they have tourettes syndrome or if they were asked that specific question.

      Posted by zefal on 09/26 at 02:34 PM • permalink

 

    1. I particularly like the article’s statement that

      The reality is, drivers of the suburban monsters are often obese, aggressive, intolerant and aged in their 40s or 50s.

      Ummm, who’s reality is that, exactly?  I think they’re confusing the SUV drivers with most of the protesters who were here in Washington, DC over the weekend. Or the hags I regularly see driving rusty Volvos plastered with “Bush Terrifies Me” bumper stickers.

      Thank you, Australian survey people, for convincing this obese (well, pregnant, actually), (passive) aggressive, intolerant (of stupid surveys) Amurrican to go ahead and buy that Toyota Highlander I’ve been eyeing.  I can’t wait to not let my gay friends ride in it.

      Posted by Polish Frizzle on 09/26 at 02:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. Spiny: The Chevy Blazer and the Jeep Cherokee are small potatoes as SUV’s. With those things, you may well be looking at top heavy displacement. With my Suburban, I’d have to be carrying Michael Moore on the roof to roll over (and even then, I’d have a vehicle-encompassing air bag). Special conditions such as hills, ditches, etc. might make anything roll, though.

      Posted by paco on 09/26 at 02:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’d love to know how they got “community minded” out of a survey (or, for that matter, “homophobic”. Unless this is a preternaturally targeted, large, and specific survey.)

      Perhaps “I walk places” means “I’m community minded”, and “I drive places” means “I hate aborigines and poor people and goodness”.

      Posted by Sigivald on 09/26 at 04:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. Why would I want to jog when I can do laps around Double Bay in my Volvo XC90? And….its the only place to remain safe from those homosexual aborigines.

      Posted by captain on 09/26 at 04:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oh, and #5 Homoindifferent

      Homoambivalent: strong conflicting feelings

      Posted by captain on 09/26 at 04:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. That study is spot on regarding the aggro Gaia-killing tendencies of my Montero and I.

      Why just this week we gleefully sent a dove to Jahanam in a cloud of feathers whilst bombing through the rainforest on our way to hunting cute little piglets (yummm) on a former plantation.

      Well anyway, I nailed a dove near a rainforest after buying a plate lunch of BBQ pork…From a Trinidadian (who rather suspiciously wore comfortable shoes).

      Posted by monkeyfan on 09/26 at 04:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. #5 homostasis

      Posted by blogstrop on 09/26 at 05:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. Damn, if I’m like I am driving the shitbox I do…imagine me behind the wheel of one of these.

      It would be driveby shootings of the poor, gay and “community-minded”.

      Posted by Quentin George on 09/26 at 05:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. I drive a Dodge 1500, 5.9 liter V8, Extended Cab, 4WD Off Road pickup.

      You talkin’ to me?

      As Paul Hogan might say about a Chevy Blazer or a Jeep Cherokee: “They aren’t SUV’s, this is a SUV LINK

      Posted by Abu Qa’Qa on 09/26 at 05:33 PM • permalink

 

    1. When I drove a Volvo I was (apparently) an aged, slow, traffic hazard.
      Now that I have a gas-guzzling juggernaut I am at least younger, although still middle aged, and obese.
      Is this not from the same commentariat/group/genus who are constantly complaining about racial profiling?

      Posted by blogstrop on 09/26 at 05:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. When I’m towing my 2.6 tonne van around Australia, I drive an extremely gas guzzling Landcruiser V8.  But around the city I drive a little Mercedes A160. Now I know what’s been causing my mood swinging between gay and uncharitable.

      Posted by dodgybob on 09/26 at 05:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Hank Reardon Institute has just completed a study on Leftywingers.
      Findings:
      More inclined to be dominated by emotion and ignore logic.
      Tends to either work in public sector or in receipt of welfare.
      More likely to develop hatred based on envy.
      Highly likely to regularly show hypocrisy.
      Bathe less regularly than right wingers.
      Nearly guaranteed to not know what to do in a crisis situation.
      More likely that the only marriage they believe in is gay marriage.

      Posted by Hank Reardon on 09/26 at 06:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. Presumably the survey didn’t encompass the Subaru Forester, which seems to be pretty much the vehicle of choice for caring sharers in taxpayer funded jobs, at least in the ACT. The Forester is the Volvo of the 21st Century!!

      Posted by Consuela Potez on 09/26 at 06:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Talking of air-headed left-wingers, here’s an extract from ‘cut-and-paste’ in today’s The Australian.

      Jenny Garrett, left-wing journalist Mungo MacCallum’s girlfriend, in Good Weekend on February 12:

      HE (Mungo) distresses me when he can’t see beyond the depression of the immediate. After (John Howard beat Mark Latham in last October’s federal election), he was very depressed. We both literally cried. He’s a very passionate man. He yells at the situation, he yells at the stupidity of the Australian populace, he yells at his journalist colleagues, who he feels have let him down terribly. When he’s depressed, he drinks to the point where I think it’s endangering his health – at least a bottle of wine a day. We blame John Howard for a lot of things, and yes, John Howard drove him to drink.

      So we can add to Hank’s list (#30) –

      Perpetually need to get a life.

      NB – The whole ‘cut-and-paste’ article is a good read – the preceding part is about why intellectuals always get it so wrong.

      Posted by walterplinge on 09/26 at 06:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Australia Institute must be the least credible of any so-called think tank in Australia. It’s research papers are really opinion pieces by Clive Hamilton backed up with selected statistics.

      As for this one, the source is supposedly a Roy Morgan survey in 2003-04. The question is whether AI commissioned the poll or have simply cherry-picked the data from normal polling.

      As for the question on what is it called when you don’t fear homosexuality, just disapprove; don’t you guys know anything? There is no difference. Leftist Thought 101 makes it clear that anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly approve of homosexuality, for whatever reason, is simply manifesting their own fear of it, or more accurately, their fear that they themselves have homosexual tendencies.

      Posted by Francis H on 09/26 at 06:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. “Honda Jazz”

      Cute little car, I suppose.

      But wouldn’t I have to buy 2 of them?

      You know, to use as skates?

      Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 09/26 at 07:12 PM • permalink

 

    1. As the meekest driver you’d ever meet, who drives a 4WD because other people drive like lunatics, I would just like to say – mine runs on LPG and I fill up for 20 bucks, suckers.

      Posted by kipwatson on 09/26 at 07:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. …and while on the subject of idiotic correlations…

      Since gay males drive hyper aggressively, and mafioso-wannabes drive hyper aggressively, does that prove that all gay men are gangsters, or that all gangsters are gay??

      Posted by kipwatson on 09/26 at 07:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. “A new study has found that city owners of large four-wheel-drive vehicles are less”—likely to drown waiting for bus in freaking New Orleans…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 09/26 at 07:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. Madawaskan—You know, they can hold her for 72 hours for psychiatric observation…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 09/26 at 07:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. The perfect after market accessory for all you SUV/4wd drive loving middle aged men.

      Xmas gifts for 4wders

      Posted by tims a wingnut on 09/26 at 08:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. I bet they carry their groceries home in plastic bags.

      Posted by gubba on 09/26 at 08:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. OSB (Obligatory Simpsons Quote)

      Can ya name the truck with four wheel drive,
      smells like a steak and seats thirty-five..
      Canyonero! Canyonero!

      Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down,
      It’s the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown!
      Canyonero! (Yah!) Canyonero!
      [Krusty:] Hey Hey

      12 yards long, 2 lanes wide,
      65 tons of American Pride!
      Canyonero! Canyonero!

      Top of the line in utility sports,
      Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
      Canyonero! Canyonero! (Yah!)

      She blinds everybody with her super high beams,
      She’s a squirrel crushing, deer smacking, driving machine!
      Canyonero!-oh woah, Canyonero! (Yah!)
      Drive Canyonero!
      Woah Canyonero!

      Posted by HC44 on 09/26 at 08:12 PM • permalink

 

    1. Slightly irrelevant, but when you do a Google image search on ‘General Honore’ (the man who gave us ‘stuck on stupid’), the second page of results actually throws up an image of…Clive Hamilton.  WTF?

      And as a term for someone who does not automatically approve of homosexuality per se, I have always favoured “non-homophiliac”

      Posted by cuckoo on 09/26 at 08:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. Notice that “tims a wingnut” knew about this website and where it could be found.  Probably has it bookmarked.

      Andrea, please, it’s time to take out the Sword of the Avenging Rightwinger.  Now please be a dear and start swinging.

      Posted by wronwright on 09/26 at 08:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’ve got the best of both worlds as I can change my Rodeo from 2WD to 4WD at the shift of a lever. Around town I am obvioulsy a caring sharing compassionate soul but shift that lever when the going gets tough on the weekend and I’m a heartless prick that wants to maim, kill and destroy.

      BTW last month a lefty friend of my mother had the suggestion that I could attach my bullbar with wingnuts and take it off when I come back to metropolitan areas to protect people. he he he

      Posted by Hank Reardon on 09/26 at 08:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. What’s the word for when they don’t scare you, but you don’t like them?

      the word is bigot – but i’m guessing you knew that.

      Posted by scuffs on 09/26 at 08:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. What they call it when you like the tough macho ones like Ian Roberts, but can’t stand the screaming queens?

      Posted by mr magoo on 09/26 at 08:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. A good 4WD should have plenty of roadkill stains on the bull bar – either that or carelss pedestrians.

      Posted by mr magoo on 09/26 at 08:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oops – that should have been careless (or perhaps carless).

      Posted by mr magoo on 09/26 at 08:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. What’s the word where they gross you out, p#ss you off, insult your principles, blaspheme your God, etc. etc., but you leave them be?

      The word for that used to be ‘tolerance’, until that word was amended in the Newspeak Dictionary to something more like ‘learning to love Big Brother’.

      Posted by kipwatson on 09/26 at 08:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. Does a Jazz actually count as a vehicle?

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 09/26 at 08:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. #44 no offence, Hank, but switching from 2wd to 4wd – doesn’t that make you bi-sexual

      Posted by larrikin on 09/26 at 09:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. richard-

      Boy-I think I could find a reason to at least sedate her…

      #32 walterplinge

      Cripes remember the good ole days when they just blamed Mummy! 

      O/T-Galloway and Hitchens are going to have a rematch this Friday on Bill Maher’s HBO show.

      Gag! Galloway and Bill Maher.

      Posted by madawaskan on 09/26 at 09:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. #27, People like you mate are one reason some of applaud the rise in petrol prices. I don’t care what you say, 4WD’s to drive around the city are unnecessary,wasteful and dangerous for other drivers, pedestrians and cyclists (me).
      And that arrogance, well that is exactly what drives these lefty lobby groups to get these vehicles off the road.
      Can you see how pathetic it sounds when you act tough in your SUV? Little man with a big vehicle syndrome I think.

      Posted by rissole on 09/26 at 09:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. #51 Larrikin in answer to your question. Aaahh NO! And I mean that in an aggressive, forceful, heartless and uncharitable way.

      Posted by Hank Reardon on 09/26 at 09:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. #53, sounds like a touch of big car envy to me.

      Posted by mr magoo on 09/26 at 10:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. Is there anything more pathetic than someone complaining about how pathetic it is that other people drive bigger cars than they do?

      Posted by Sortelli on 09/26 at 10:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. I mean besides being Canadian, of course.

      Posted by Sortelli on 09/26 at 10:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. rissole,

      As for cyclists…

      Mate, talk about obnoxious road users!

      Blocking lanes, obstructing traffic, rude and inconsiderate behaviour, ignoring road rules, putting themselves and other road users in danger…

      Cyclists have no justification in complaining about anyone else.

      Posted by kipwatson on 09/26 at 10:14 PM • permalink

 

    1. #55 The thing is, it would take me 5 minutes to get a 4WD, i could buy 10 of them in an instant, they are not an achievement and dont cost any real amount of money. They are false sense of power, like paying a woman to have dinner with you and fawn over you. It is not real.You should think about a tummy tuck mate or getting some of those wrinkles stretched out. make you more attractive to the girls, if your big, big car wasnt already enough. You must be fighting them off!

      Posted by rissole on 09/26 at 10:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. #5: CouldntGiveARatsArseJustAsLongAsTheyDontStickTheirTongueInMyEar?

      Posted by murph on 09/26 at 10:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. Without the GPS on the 4WD how could those Toorak mums ever get the kids to their GPS?

      Posted by pog-ma-thon on 09/26 at 10:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. I can see there are practical reasons why 4WD use should be discouraged in the city, but this study almost ignores them and takes a jab at the character of the drivers. How exactly is this constructive? With or without their 4WDs these people will continue to hold their attitudes, it’s not like the 4WD is the cause, so you aren’t going to fix any of the wider symptoms of the beligerant attitudes by taking away the 4WDs, only the direct practical matters that concern the 4WD use, which should be the primary focus.

      Should we discourage bike use if it can be proven that the typical bike rider has a tendency to leech off the rest of society? Do they stop leeching when we do?

      As far as I can tell we aren’t actually funding these retards (Australia Institute), thank god.

      Posted by HC44 on 09/26 at 10:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. FYI Phillip Adams drives a Lexus 4WD, and Mike Carlton (I think) BMW X5.

      Posted by der FRED on 09/26 at 10:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. The orginal piece of research is a 10pp document, which you can find here (click on the What’s New link). Disregarding the Summary, References, Implications and Background, discussion of the Roy Morgan data accounts for 3pp.

      I’ve heard of thin research, but anorexic?

      Posted by Hanyu on 09/26 at 10:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. As someone who has always driven with the utmost consideration, it was a revelation to me when we bought the big car.

      All those P-plate mafiosi who used to monster me when I drove the little Toyota now stay out of my way – no aggression on my part required.

      If an undeserved bad reputation is what it takes to be able to merge onto a busy freeway without risking my family’s lives, it’s a small price to pay.

      Posted by kipwatson on 09/26 at 10:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Australia Institute would concoct a study to tell you that Howard voters squash more ants but SUVs are the worst thing to happen on city streets since speed bumps.

      They handle badly, brake badly, kill more pedestrians and surround road thugs and poor drivers with enough tin not to give a damn about others.

      Christ knows how long I’ve waited in carparks for some lunk to 12 point into a space.

      Posted by Inurbanus on 09/26 at 10:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. madawaskan

      O/T-Galloway and Hitchens are going to have a rematch this Friday on Bill Maher’s HBO show.

      Gag! Galloway and Bill Maher.

      Sounds like Hitchens will have a “target-rich environment”…

      BTW, I’m not saying any of you shouldn’t drive SUVs if that’s your choice, I just have no use for them.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 09/26 at 10:33 PM • permalink

 

    1. FYI Phillip Adams drives a Lexus 4WD, and Mike Carlton (I think) BMW X5.

      Incredible – maybe the “left” isn’t quite the homogenous horde of so many paranoid fantasies!

      Posted by scuffs on 09/26 at 10:34 PM • permalink

 

    1. But Scuffs, Phillip Adams and Mike Carlton probably have a Greenpeace or “No War” bumper sticker on theirs so that make it OK.

      Posted by Hank Reardon on 09/26 at 10:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. See #66 – I might agree with some of the points Adams and Carlton make, but if they can provide any reason for driving 4WDs than vanity, i’ll eat my hat! Though I guess they may have to watch out for enraged Tim Blair followers approaching at ramming speed! 😉

      Posted by scuffs on 09/26 at 10:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. Homophobic? Heck yeah! In the words of the late Sam Kineson, “If there are any gay thoughts inside MY head, I want em’ OUT!” Now, get out of my way before I run you natives over getting to the pumps!

      Posted by Texas Bob on 09/26 at 11:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. #27: Sweet. But why didn’t you spring for the V-10 option? Too pricey, I imagine, since the V-10 is only second in power to the Dodge Viper.

      Rissole, what kind of cycle are you talking about? A Harley Fat Boy, or some kind of, sniff, Schwinn?

      Posted by paco on 09/26 at 11:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. Honda Jazz? Pffft. I’d rather have this Honda.

      Its one-wheel drive (only half the driven wheels with which the foul oafish Jazz bullies its way through the world) confirms my milquetoast sensitivity and thus my suitability to live in the modern world.

      Posted by Crispytoast on 09/26 at 11:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. Incredible – maybe the “left” isn’t quite the homogenous horde of so many paranoid fantasies!

      Yeah, not all of them also own gas guzzling private jets to take their blatant hypocrisy to the next level over their family SUVs.

      Posted by Sortelli on 09/26 at 11:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. What’s with the fixation on what other people do with their own money, and how they choose to transport themselves? It’s none of my business, and certainly none of a pantywaist no-account like Clive Hamilton. I couldn’t give a fuck if someone want to punt around town in a M113- in fact it sounds like a fine idea to me.

      Posted by Habib on 09/26 at 11:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’ve always thought carlton was one of those “long -distance lefties” ie the further something is away from affecting your life the more compassionate and caring you can sound – therefore Carlton is a supporter of 4wds and opposed mandatory pool-fencing – these things would affect him too closely. The more abstract ( in terms of personal experience) things such as nuclear weapons, war, refugees etc he is happy to take the left positions.

      Posted by Francis H on 09/26 at 11:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. #75
      What’s with the fixation on what other people do with their own moneyHabib, Those on the left don’t see it as actually being your money. Even treasury now classify the money you manage to keep after standard tax deductions as “Tax Expenditures”. So the earnings that you were “allowed” to keep is viewed as an expenditure item.

      Posted by Hank Reardon on 09/27 at 12:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. Gee, they can’t even be original. The AI ‘study’ sounds suspiciously similar in parameters to this from Cornell University.

      Threaten a man’s masculinity, and he will assume more macho attitudes, according to a study by a Cornell University researcher.

      “I found that if you made men more insecure about their masculinity, they displayed more homophobic attitudes, tended to support the Iraq war more and would be more willing to purchase an SUV over another type of vehicle,” said Robb Willer, a sociology doctoral candidate at Cornell.

      Willer is presenting his findings Aug. 15 at the American Sociological Association’s 100th annual meeting in Philadelphia.

      — Nora

      PS – I much prefer men who prefer women and if they have a SUV, so much the better.

      Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 09/27 at 12:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. I couldn’t give a fuck if someone want to punt around town in a M113- in fact it sounds like a fine idea to me.

      The M113 would be an excellent vehicle to drive around town—in spite of being smaller than the Bradley, it has lots of cargo space, parks easily, and is quite manueverable.  Your street department may not appreciate it when you pivot sharply, but the revenues from the fuel tax you would pay will make up the difference.

      If you consider the .50 caliber machine as being excessive, mounting an M240 is not a problem.  Plus the drop down ramp is an excellent deterent to tail gaters. 

      Add in the off road/over other cars capability, and I think the Australian Institute would go insane if these started appearing on city streets everywhere.

      Indeed, the only downsides in owning an M113 over an SUV that I can see are the maintenance (ever tighten a track?), and the need for a crew of 2 (driver and track commander) to operate the M113.  But this is an excellent opprotunity to break the children into the wonderful world of machinery, no?

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 09/27 at 12:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. Three points:
      1)Homophobia means they scare you.
      Homophilia means you like them.
      Homoskidaddle means you scare them.2)Crispytoast, is that black thing on the back a rider launchpad?

      3)When I was in my SUV people actually drove worse, till I got up into 18th and then they got out of the way. It worked twice as good when I pulled doubles.

      Posted by Mike H. on 09/27 at 12:55 AM • permalink

 

    1. #78, so if you grab them by the balls or give their backside a tender caress, they’ll rush out and buy a SUV. Sounds like a clever marketing strategy to me.

      Posted by mr magoo on 09/27 at 01:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. I drive an AWD Subaru. Does that make me a Lesbian. I do like females after all.

      Posted by Gruntled on 09/27 at 02:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. Believe it or not several months ago I saw an M113 on the Eastern Freeway. (Well, it was a tracked Personnel Carrier, so I guess it must have been an M113. My wife said, ‘hey look there’s a tank!’). It was making pretty good speed for a tracked vehicle too – I reckon about 75kph…

      Posted by kipwatson on 09/27 at 02:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. Kip, look here for details on the M113.  Scroll down for photos.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 09/27 at 03:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. They actually get pretty good economy, especially the turbo diesels, and with the rubber plugs they don’t chew up the bitumen much (but really fuck up traffic calming and roundabouts). Strangely enough in the rule-happy UK, you can road register and operated virtually anything, including a tank. There’s a loon gets around Central London in a bright pink Abbott 155mm SPG (weapon disabled, but still there to knock uppity bicyclists from their perambulators in traffic).

      Posted by Habib on 09/27 at 03:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. Yeah, I’m pretty sure it was an M113 – of course, like all 4WD drivers I was keeping my eyes on the road 😉 so I didn’t get very much of a look.

      Posted by kipwatson on 09/27 at 03:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. Dr Hamilton said the vehicles are also less fuel efficient and are resented by other road users.  He said special licences and higher taxes should be imposed on 4WD owners.

      I resent having volvos getting in the way of my Bronco 4wd; I call for special licences and higher taxes for people with a compassionate head tilt.

      Posted by youngy on 09/27 at 04:48 AM • permalink

 

    1. The Australia Institute are no more than a bunch of left-out sad clowns who can’t hack the idea of people making their own choices about their own lives with their own money.

      They have a board of directors full of union and public sector hacks, and a staff of Australian Democrats refugees.

      Get a load of Clive hamilton’s compassionate head tilt, and get a load of his self-important email address (exec@tai.org.au – everyone else just uses their first name).

      Posted by Young and Free on 09/27 at 05:14 AM • permalink

 

    1. #78 – Nora, I think it is the Australia Institute and Cornell University that have a problem with small Willers.

      Posted by blogstrop on 09/27 at 05:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. Shock jock recently had a woman ring in about 4wd and stereotyping.Said she was forty,had two little kids,regularly helped out at the school and with community volunteering and is indigenous.

      Posted by crash on 09/27 at 05:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. #89 blogstrop, I think you’re right, but I’m quite happy to say that Nick is quite well endowed – and this ain’t bad either.

      — Nora

      Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 09/27 at 06:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. #5 The word you – and everyone else – is searching for is ‘normal’.

      — Nick
      (the enormously endowed one)

      Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 09/27 at 06:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’m seeking start-up funding to research development of an internal combustion engine that runs on refined hippies- there’s plenty of ‘em, we don’t have to buy them off the unreliable Arabs and it would be environmentally advantagous- have you ever seen a demonstration up close? It looks (and smells) like a hobo jungle on welfare day.
      What’s more, we can scrap the Frenchy units of measurements and go back to something a middle-aged racist misanthropist can understand- miles per margo.

      Posted by Habib on 09/27 at 06:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. Know a bloke who runs a Dingo (small lightly armoured 4 wheel scout car) and gets good mileage from it. He tends to win the supermarket car-dinging contests too (8mm or so of armour steel does that). Another mate offered to get him a Bren gun for it, but people get narky.

      Me, I like my V8 P76. Cannot believe it weighs 230kg less than a modern 6cyl Ford. All that modern soundproofing, apparently.

      When I finish doing it up, anyone know where I can get one of those “I’m changing the environment” stickers?

      Oh, before you start on the whole ‘Leyland’s lemon’ schtick? She only costs A$75 a year to register and CTP.

      MarkL
      Canberra

      Posted by MarkL on 09/27 at 06:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. The brand of choice in cross country skiing is Subaru. I doubt that the AI’s stereotypes are uniformly confirmed amongst us.

      I think personality is sometimes reflected in the car a person has, but dividing up people into 4WDers and 2WDers doesn’t shed much light.

      Oh, and how many 4WD drivers think gays should be stoned to death?

      Posted by Andjam on 09/27 at 07:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. No Mark,
      No argument here the P76 is a classic. It is unfortunate that, like the Lada Niva, it was a much better car after it had been through two or three owners who had fixed up all the problems.I have very fond memories of the P76 that a workmate used to give me a lift home in. One Monday afternoon I asked him what the smoke stains up the passenger side dash were. He replied that the wiring underneath had caught fire on the Saturday for no apparent reason. But all he’d had to do was reach under and reef out a bit of the loom and the smoke went away.

      Plus the car kept running with no apparent loss of power to any device on board…

      — Nick

      Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 09/27 at 07:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. My father always referred to JB Lucas as the Prince of Darkness.

      Posted by Habib on 09/27 at 07:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. Well if I were getting an SUV I would go for an H3. I am guessing the twits who wrote this ludicrous study would love me.

      Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 09/27 at 07:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #91 – Nora: that would be due to your reforming influence (i.e.; making him give up journalism, which is known to shrink many vital organs!).

      Posted by blogstrop on 09/27 at 08:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. “Perhaps with implications for how they drive, they are more inclined to say they sometimes use force to get their way,” Dr Hamilton said.

      “This suggests that instead of relying on the social conscience of these drivers to change to safer vehicles, it would be more effective to use mandatory measures such as special licences and high taxes.”

      It appears to me that Dr Hamilton has no problem with using force to get your way, just so long as it’s the government forcing his beliefs on others.

      I’ve never owned a 4WD and never wanted to. However now I might just consider it due the satisfaction it will give me knowing I’m shitting off the left.

      Posted by Mike Sutcliffe on 09/27 at 10:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. There’s a loon gets around Central London in a bright pink Abbott 155mm SPG

      It’s England. He’s not a “loon”, he’s “eccentric.”

      Posted by Dave S. on 09/27 at 11:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. The Toyota Rav4 and Ford Escape get better gas mileage than any of their Hippy Volvos!

      And ya-my little 4X4 means I can ride through Sequioa and Yosemite National Park all year long.

      Posted by madawaskan on 09/27 at 12:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. I drive a hybrid SUV, like men fine, and am perfectly willing to kick a little ass to get what I want.

      Posted by Achillea on 09/27 at 05:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. sometime ago the height of snobery was to drive a 911 with a sign on the back windscreen reading,
      “ My other car is a Porsche”.
      Now it’s sending your bimbo blonde wife to the mall in a shocking pink Hummer.

      Posted by davo on 09/27 at 05:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hummers are SO 90’s; if you really want to piss off the Sierra Club and assorted high-minded luddites, you need a Jeep Hurricane– twin orange Chrysler Hemi V8s and the ability to turn in its own length. The most nimble forest critter or Greenpeace mong on a mountain bike wouldn’t have a hope in hell of escaping the churning Coopers on each corner of this bugger.

      Posted by Habib on 09/27 at 07:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. Here’s some specs to give Clive Hamilton a conniption fit and cause Bob Brown to turn straight:-

      The Hurricane’s two engines—one in front, one back—combine to make 670 horsepower, and offer 740 foot-pounds of torque. It has 14 inches of ground clearance, and does 0 to 60 in less than 5 seconds. The signature feature is a steering system that allows it to turn in a complete circle in the same spot.

      While Hurricane is a concept, Zetsche said patents developed could show up on future Jeeps.

      More horsepower than an Enzo Ferrari, and an SUV as well- all it needs is a rack for squirrel guns and it’s a must-have for the aspiring redneck planet rapist.

      Posted by Habib on 09/27 at 07:25 PM • permalink

 

  • This just in from the Australia Institute… ‘Users of two-ply toilet paper are more likely to support the evil crusader opression of the noble iraqi insurgency’.
    True story……well ok, fake…..but accurate.

    Posted by Skip on 09/27 at 07:53 PM • permalink

 

  • Habib—I rather like the Jeep Gladiator concept, too.

    The Real JeffS—I remember when we got our first 113A2’s.  The drivers loved them.  And you don’t really need a TC to drive one, as long as you treat parallel parking as the adventure it was always meant to be…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 09/27 at 07:58 PM • permalink

 

  • Let’s take this:

    A new study has found that city owners of large four-wheel-drive vehicles are less community minded than other drivers, less charitable, more likely to be homophobic and have a low opinion of indigenous culture.

    The Australia Institute study has also found they are more likely to use force to get their way.

    Based on a Roy Morgan Research survey in 2003-04 of 24,718 people aged 14 and over, the study found the typical city driver of a large 4WD is a male in his forties or fifties in full-time work with a higher than average income.

    Dr Hamilton said the vehicles are also less fuel efficient and are resented by other road users.

    He said special licences and higher taxes should be imposed on 4WD owners.

    And turn it into this:

    A new study has found that members of The Australia Institute are less intelligent than other people, more likely to be heterophobic and have a low opinion of western culture.

    The Australian 4WD owners study has also found they are more likely to jump up and down and whinge to the media if they don’t get their way.

    Based on a Roy Morgan Research survey in 2003-04 of 24,718 people aged 14 and over, the study found the typical member of the Australia Institute is a male in his forties or fifties, not currently working, and living off welfare.

    The 4WD Owners Association said special licences and higher taxes should be imposed on the Australia Institute.

    It seems only fair.

    Posted by TimT on 09/27 at 08:08 PM • permalink

 

  • #105
    I want one.
    Wronwright and Iowahawk could you put in a good word for me to Master Rove to have a matching black Jeep Hurricane added to my black helicopter order.
    Be sure to have him option it with the Thunderbird 6 C30/1 Drill Bit and six chilled cup holders.
    Mwu ha ha ha. Wreak havoc from the skies and the ground!!

    Posted by Hank Reardon on 09/27 at 08:44 PM • permalink

 

  • Ive got a suzuki 4WD. Does that make me homophobic but only slightly?
    Id be much better off like the man handing out election material for the greens last election. The one with the big banner saying “Green not greed” sitting in his air con new mercedies. Clue detector was not working I guess.As for homosexuality my patented attitude. “As long as its not compulsory I dont care”

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 09/27 at 09:16 PM • permalink

 

  • If I drive one of these, does that mean I’m:
    a. a scofflaw
    b. a homo-cidal maniac
    c. a Ashton Kucher wannabe
    d. so rich I’m senseless
    e. a fan of global climate change

    Posted by rinardman on 09/27 at 10:48 PM • permalink

 

  • What???  Hank good buddy, I ain’t the order clerk.  I’m an (almost) full fledged member of the neocons.  I’m important.  (I’d appreciate if you wouldn’t poll anybody at the Neocon Club on that, just take my word for it).

    As far as Iowahawk is concerned, pfffff.  He walks in the NC in an admirals’ cap and carries a riding crop.  The man is a regular diva around here.  I’m quite sure he would barely acknowledge your existence let alone order you a car.  This by the way comes from experience.

    But I will say The Real JeffS’s discussion of the—what was it? the M-113?—has peaked my interest.  I’m tired of driving a Passat.  I want armor damn it.  And tracks?  Oh yes, hell with staying on the highway.

    Roads?  We don’t need no roads.

    Posted by wronwright on 09/27 at 10:55 PM • permalink

 

  • As far a I can see 133 posts of confirmation.  Thats the funny bit.

    Posted by Ender on 09/27 at 11:20 PM • permalink

 

  • Confirmation of what Enders?

    Ah, you mean confirmation that we are intelligent, thinking people who abhor bad science.

    Thank you. You compliment is accepted with good grace.

    — Nora

    Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 09/28 at 12:16 AM • permalink

 

 

  • #113 Wronwright, Well that is most upsetting.
    Why should you guys be the only ones with the toys to create havoc on humanity?
    Some of the rest of us also want to create category five cyclones and steal the odd lake.
    I can’t understand why you won’t share the evil.
    If General Hannity found about these kinds of inefficiencies you know there would be hell to pay.

    Posted by Hank Reardon on 09/28 at 01:03 AM • permalink

 

  • Hey Enders, I’m a ill-tempered middle-aged misanthropist, and I drive to work in a goddam 2 litre Honda (mind you, it’s turbocharged). I haven’t owned an SUV since 1995, when I sold my souped up Range Rover because too many dickheads were buying them and smothering same with Save the Rainforest/Whales/Assorted Indignant Indiginies stickers. I also own a ‘72 Caddy with an 8 litre engine which makes any of the current range of 4x4s look like pikers when it comes to gobbling dead dinosaurs and producing CO2, and a motorcycle with a bigger engine than most of the ugly emasculting buzz-boxes (which all look like giant novelty orthopedic shoes) on your list.
    What’s this do to the sweeping generalisations made by Clive and his commie coterie?
    Shows they’re bollocks, as anyone with an IQ bigger than the length of their dick in metres realises (sorry, ladies).
    If I want to foot the bill to operate a Bentley Mulsanne to nip off to the bottle-o for a six pack and a stogie or two, it’s my business, and Clive, every enviro-cheese dick and bicycle nazi can go fuck themselves.

    Posted by Habib on 09/28 at 01:05 AM • permalink

 

  • OK, that study was crap, but most 4WD drivers are still dickheads (except the guys towing big boats, I’ll excuse them.  And the odd one or two who actually go off-road)).

    Noticed how all the 4WD ads feature the Patrol/Pajero/whatever weaving through forests, climbing mountains, fording streams, leaping sand dunes etc.?

    Meanwhile, most of the Walter and Wilma Mittys who buy them wouldn’t dare leave the tarmac for fear of scratching the duco.

    And what’s with the big shiny bull-bars- so the stray children won’t leave a dent?

    Posted by slammer on 09/28 at 01:45 AM • permalink

 

  • I prefer the cow-horns on my Caddy- you get to keep what you catch.

    Posted by Habib on 09/28 at 01:56 AM • permalink

 

  • As far a I can see 133 posts of confirmation.  Thats the funny bit.

    Ah, but what’s really funny was that you posed that when there was only 113 posts in the thread.

    But what’s 20 posts between friends?

    Posted by Quentin George on 09/28 at 03:16 AM • permalink

 

  • #119 slammer. I agree. I go off road in a Hilux trayback soemtimes for fun. But I have to agree that a lot of people who drive fourbies annoy me immensly.

    Posted by Gruntled on 09/28 at 04:45 AM • permalink

 

  • Quentin, this is really just yet another case of Ender going for the most doom-mongering interpretation possible. And everybody knows that the scariest way to read “113” is “133”. Or something.

    Posted by PW on 09/28 at 09:19 AM • permalink

 

  • Either that or Ender reads what he wants to see, PW.  I rather doubt that he/she/it is dyslexic.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 09/28 at 11:39 AM • permalink

 

  • To be fair, during our last El Nino here in California, the weather got so bad I saw a Hummer with mud on it…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 09/28 at 07:36 PM • permalink

 

 

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