THRILLER IN SURRY HILLER

Bank teller James Waterton recently tackled highly-trained former online cadet Antony Loewenstein over the latter’s claim that “anti-war protests shook America and Britain”. And won. How might Antony fare in tonight’s big debate with James Morrow? Could be worth paying $8 to find out. Ranting commences 9pm at the Knott Gallery, Level 1, 342 Elizabeth Street, Surry Hills (near Central Station). Beer, wine, amphetamines etc will be available from 8pm or so. Debate topic: Why Hate America?

Posted by Tim B. on 09/28/2005 at 12:16 PM
    1. Well, I’ve had the pleasure of engaging in more than one stoush with Antony. Someone tell James Morrow that I’ve got the good oil on Loewenstein’s debating technique. Goes a little something like this…

      1) Say something ridiculous

      2) Weather the onslaught of logic that utterly refutes what you’ve said in silence

      3) Break silence by expeditiously signing off with some meaningless ad hominem remark and then move right along to the next ridiculous statement

      A quintessential (and recent) example of The Loewenstein Method can be seen in action here.
      This is all very easy to do on a blog, but during a live debate?

      Posted by James Waterton on 2005 09 28 at 01:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. I misread that – I thought Anthony was going to debate James Morrison.

      Now that’s something I’d pay to see.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 09 28 at 06:33 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well done James.

      The Left’s constant stretching of the meaning of the word “censor” has bugged me for years. Part of their need to feel supressed. Better to feel censored then ignored i suppose.

      When the government steps in and prevents Antony’s book from being published, or pulps it when it is published – then I’ll agree it’s censorship.

      Posted by Francis H on 2005 09 28 at 06:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. oops sorry – I was congratulating James over his debate with Antony over the Danby censorship business which was also linked.

      Well done on the “all shook up” thing as well.

      Posted by Francis H on 2005 09 28 at 06:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. Solid argument, James.  Well done.

      As for Mother Sheehan, I’ve come to doubt her depth of feeling for her son as opposed to her depth of feeling for being in the public eye with her oddball politics.  My sympathies abate with time and exposure.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 09 28 at 07:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. Censorship, from the Lefty Dictionary:

      When evil neo-con Rethuglican fascist baby-killing planet-rapers say unkind things about us.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2005 09 28 at 09:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. Outrageous! This is like the BBC-ABC program/hate-fest in 2003, ‘What The World Thinks Of America’. Can you imagine if Fox or somebody aired a program titled ‘What The World Thinks Of Islam’, can you imagine the howls from the hypocrites on the Left about that?
      They’re not even bothering to hide anything with the leading title of this so-called “debate”. That’s just plain UGLY!!

      Posted by Brian on 2005 09 28 at 09:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. SBS aired a program about the sinking of the Russian sub, the Kursk, last Saturday night. Apparently, it was a conspiracy, surprise! surprise! It wasn’t any accidental explosion of weapons on board, it wasn’t any accidental collision with an American sub, it turns out that it was a deliberate attack on the Kursk by an American sub! Dick Cheney got a mention, so did George W. Bush, so did Halliburton, so did Florida 2000! This program had it all, the whole box & dice!

      On Tuesday SBS is gonna tell us about Bush’s evil oil plans for Africa. China, apparently, can do what it likes where oil and Africa are concerned. The victims of China’s rampages are just not fashionable enough for the FRAUDS at SBS!

      Posted by Brian on 2005 09 28 at 10:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. Yes, I had one of my (quite likeable, actually) colleagues swallow that load of SBS tripe hook, line and sinker, and was enthusiastically telling me all about it on Monday.
      Apparently it was a mark 48 torpedo that was fired so close, it was able to penetrate the Kusrk’s double hull, travel thru the torpedo room and out the other side, without exploding or getting stuck!
      To buy off the russians, the yanks then forgave a heap of debt, etcetera, etcetera.He got quite offended when I started belly laughing.

      Posted by entropy on 2005 09 28 at 10:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. Nice job, James!  Loewenstein was floundering nicely at the end, even if he wouldn’t admit it.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 09 29 at 12:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #9

      Apparently it was a mark 48 torpedo that was fired so close, it was able to penetrate the Kusrk’s double hull, travel thru the torpedo room and out the other side, without exploding or getting stuck!

      BWAHAHAHAHhahahahahHAHAHAHAH
      kof kof wheeze HAHAHAHAHAhaHAhaHAhaHA!
      Was it an off-the-shelf Mark-48, or did they strap a Thomahawk engine to the back of it?
      Folks, in all seriousness, if the Kursk was so flimsy that you could shoot a dud torpedo THROUGH it, (*), then the Kursk should have collapsed the first time it ever went deeper than periscope depth.
      (* with whatEVER kinda super propulsion these twits think it’s got)
      ~ ex-RM1(SS) Stoop Davy

      Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2005 09 29 at 02:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. 1) Say something ridiculous

      2) Weather the onslaught of logic that utterly refutes what you’ve said in silence

      3) Break silence by expeditiously signing off with some meaningless ad hominem remark and then move right along to the next ridiculous statement.

      Got it in one, James. (Well, three, actually, but who’s counting?)
      For some reason, his ‘argument’ method makes me think of Goebbels: “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth …” He’s a propagandist who doesn’t seem to be particularly bothered by journalistic ethics.

      Nilknarf, lol! I can just imagine Loewenstein vs. James Morrisson.
      “Well, Mr Loewenstein, you can argue all you like about the neo-conservative agenda of the modern US state, but I will win the audience over with my sultry and seductive dixieland jazz rhythms!”

      Posted by TimT on 2005 09 29 at 03:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. Thanks all, but I have to say that besting Antony Loewenstein in debate is about as satisfying as being the 2x tables champion in grade 5.

      TimT – I particularly like this quote from Moritz Goldstein:

      We can easily reduce our detractors to absurdity and show them that their hostility is groundless. But what does this prove? That their hatred is real. When every slander has been rebutted, every misconception cleared up, every false opinion about us overcome, intolerance itself will remain finally irrefutable.

      Substitute “woolly thinking” in place of “hatred” and “ignorance” in place of “intolerance”, and it sums up like Loewenstein and his cohorts perfectly.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2005 09 29 at 06:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. delete that errant “like”

      Posted by James Waterton on 2005 09 29 at 06:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. “Is America a saviour, an invader or just a very confused little kid?”

      Are these all the possible answers?  I think I see the problem now. 

      “When the smoke clears you might just know what, if anything, the USA stands for.”

      Or, you could just read it here: Bill of Rights

      Posted by debo.v2 on 2005 09 29 at 07:41 AM • permalink

 

    1. But at least Antony promoted you to a “Sir” – bet you thought you’d be waiting at least another five decades of dedicated service at the bank before you’d be hearing people call you “Sir James”.  Well done lad!

      Posted by Ck on 2005 09 29 at 07:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. #2- Morrison to Lowenstein:
      “It don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing,
      Doo-wop, doo-wop etc.
      Analyse that, baby.”
      Then loop back to #1.
      Is Lowenstein a dadaist?

      Posted by blogstrop on 2005 09 29 at 08:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. I wonder if that building in Surry Hills has wifi? An awesome liveblogging opportunity, I feel!

      Posted by James Waterton on 2005 09 29 at 11:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. Tim you forgot the anaesthetic….

      Posted by crash on 2005 09 29 at 11:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. From the Leftist Dictionary:

      Censorship (n., irregular*): talking back.

      *All lefty concepts are irregular.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 09 29 at 08:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. #15- didn’t the USSR have one of them too?

      Posted by slammer on 2005 09 30 at 12:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. #21 – sure. It was really concise.

      1) You have the right to piss us off.
      2) In that event, you have the right to be forced onto a train heading east.
      3) You have the right not to be seen again.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2005 09 30 at 06:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. So, how did it go? Any bloggers have updates? Loewenstein has posted a little on his blog, but it would be good to hear a couple of other points of view.

      Posted by TimT on 2005 09 30 at 07:58 PM • permalink

 

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