GLOBAL SCAMMING

New Zealand aggressively supported the Kyoto Protocol. Now the bill is due:

Taxpayers will be at least $1 billion worse off under revised Government estimates of the costs of the Kyoto treaty to combat global warming.

National’s environment spokesman, Nick Smith, says the party, if elected, will consider pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol, despite the cost to New Zealand’s international reputation, given the “hammering” the economy will take under the latest numbers.

New Zealand had earlier anticipated a $500 million windfall by coming in below its pollution target. Instead, emissions have increased. Same thing is happening across much of Europe:

Here are some IEA estimates of the increases: France, 6.9 percent; Italy, 8.3 percent; Greece, 28.2 percent; Ireland, 40.3 percent; the Netherlands, 13.2 percent; Portugal, 59 percent; Spain, 46.9 percent. It’s true that Germany (down 13.3 percent) and Britain (a 5.5 percent decline) have made big reductions. But their cuts had nothing to do with Kyoto. After reunification in 1990, Germany closed many inefficient coal-fired plants in eastern Germany; that was a huge one-time saving. In Britain, the government had earlier decided to shift electric utilities from coal (high CO2 emissions) to plentiful natural gas (lower CO2 emissions).

On their present courses, many European countries will miss their Kyoto targets for 2008-2012. To reduce emissions significantly, Europeans would have to suppress driving and electricity use; that would depress economic growth and fan popular discontent. It won’t happen.

(Via Toby and Jack Strocchi)

Posted by Tim B. on 06/29/2005 at 08:47 AM
    1. You can cut down a lot on transportation emissions by using identity theft instead.  It’s a sort of poor-man’s teleportation.

      Posted by rhhardin on 2005 06 29 at 10:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. all your emissions are belong to us

      Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 06 29 at 10:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. A lot of politicians were persuaded that something had to be done by Mann’s Hockey Stick graph of global temperature over the last millennium that featured prominently in the last IPCC report, and which banished the medieval warm period and subsequent mini-ice age with some poorly used inappropriate linear mathematics and excessive attention to the growth spurt of North American bristlecone pines.

      Now that questions are being asked in important places about how such research should have been so critically accepted by the IPCC, expect sceptical politicians to become more vociferous.

      Posted by rexie on 2005 06 29 at 10:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. Should read “uncritically accepted by the IPCC”.

      Anyway over at Climate Audit there is much on this.

      Posted by rexie on 2005 06 29 at 10:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Of COURSE they can cut down on electricity use and driving.  The Bureaucrats of Brussels will never miss a minute’s light or their EU-supplied cars.  It’s the rest of you gross, wasteful proles who have to clean up YOUR acts.

      Thank god Day Laborer in Chief Carter immunized us against that attitude.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 06 29 at 10:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. Let’s hear it now, all together:  “Sod off, Swampy!”

      Posted by Patricia on 2005 06 29 at 10:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. Of course it would have succeeded if on the US and Austarlia signed it.

      Posted by Melanie on 2005 06 29 at 10:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. I meabt – if only the US and Austarlia signed it.

      Posted by Melanie on 2005 06 29 at 10:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. New Zealand need not worry about its international reputation, since this winter it will take a huge boost with the release of Peter Jackson’s amazing-looking “King Kong” update.

      Posted by bovious on 2005 06 29 at 11:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. Awwwwwwww.  Ain’t that just too bad.

      I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning.  😀

      Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2005 06 29 at 11:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. Kyoto has never really been a pollution solution.  It has at, its core, one thing and one thing only-a massive transfer of wealth out of the Dead White European Male Culture and into the third world. The green movement is anti-capitalist at its core and sees the west(read USA) as the evil in the world.  Their real aim is to eradicate the capitalist west-period.  Go through all of the stupid graphs and charts if you want but the aim is still to defund the west.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2005 06 29 at 11:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. New Zealand has an international reputation?  For what?

      Posted by Tom Ault on 2005 06 29 at 12:30 PM • permalink

 

    1. Back in 1998 Science (link) reported that the US/Canada sinks a good deal more CO2 than it sources (perhaps because the amount of forests and high-efficiency mega agribusiness that consume CO2 track individual wealth and productivity). 

      What’s also amusing is that the measurement of the amount consumed has far more significant digits than any global warming measurement to date.  i.e. percents, not small fractions of a percent.

      If the Kyoto folks want to know where to send the check, they can use my address.

      Posted by Ari Tai on 2005 06 29 at 02:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. For losing to Australia in professional sports, Tom.

      Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 06 29 at 02:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. But great trout fishing as I understand.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2005 06 29 at 02:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Science Channel (US cable) has a show on about how the moon formed, with the interesting information that without it we’d have a climate akin to Mars. As the moon moves away from us its’ influence lessens and we can expect temperature changes: global warming may becaused by the moon, not man.

      Posted by Retread on 2005 06 29 at 02:59 PM • permalink

 

    1. I think the moon might also have some influence on the prevalence of moonbattery.  How else to explain it?

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 06 29 at 04:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. NZ – Perfect one day, Mini-Canada the next.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2005 06 29 at 05:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’d like to see some head-tilt’in apologies from the lot of them. (With pics on the internet of course)

      Posted by Blue on 2005 06 29 at 05:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. And their little sheep too!!!!

      Posted by Blue on 2005 06 29 at 05:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. At least their long white cloud will protect those emmission-lovin’ Kiwi’s from that

      hole

      in the ozone layer…

      Kyoto: honourable Japanese term for gullible western fuckwits

      Posted by Jay Santos on 2005 06 29 at 07:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. Read it has all turned to tears for Russia as well. They hoped to make a killing selling credits becuase of the closure of their foul ineffecient industrial organisations. And because the EU supports them now for WTO membership. But it seems that rather than sell they have somehow got themselves into a situation where they will have to buy credits if they want to meet their agreement. How sad.
      So I guess they along with Italy will be pulling out in 2012.
      And China says it will do as the EU etc do rather than what they say. All going very well.

      Posted by Ros on 2005 06 29 at 07:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. The whole purpose of Kyoto was to destroy the economies of the developed nations, particularly the US. Actually it was to designed to redistribute wealth from the developed world to the third world.

      However, once again it shows that the Left was, is and remains not only economically, but scientifically cluless.

      I wonder it Greeny season has opened yet?

      Posted by Louis on 2005 06 29 at 07:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. No.  I say we hold New Zealand to its word.  After all, they’re such a principled country compared to the eeeeeevil USA.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 06 29 at 07:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’m with yojimbo: Kyoto has nothing whatever to do with reducing pollution; its sole purpose has always been to addle the US economy, the strength of which drives EuroWeenies bonkers.

      The US isn’t taking this bait, sorry. If you really want to reduce pollution, talk to China, Brazil and India first.

      Posted by Butch on 2005 06 29 at 07:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. Send all their male adolescents offshore. That gets rid of nocturnal emissions.

      Posted by slatts on 2005 06 29 at 09:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. I read last week that the NZ government is still planning to tax farmers for the methane emissions of their livestock in spite of the fact that it will lead to significant costs. Only in NZ…

      Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 06 29 at 10:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. I agree with yojimbo and Butch.

      The whole thing was a scam by the Euroweenies to not only put a ball and chain around the yanks, but also to buy off the more militant green groups in Europe.

      Notice how kyoto was structure:
      (1) 1990 was chosen as a base year (not when it is ratified), becuase that was when all those nasty, polluting factories and power plants in eastern Europe were shutting down, and Britain was getting out of the coal industry in Wales (result – easier to meet target for europe);
      (2) set up Europe as one entity (the europe umbrella)so that euro countries that have increasing emissions can can be offset by the eastern european decline in emmissions);
      (3) resist all attempts for other groups of countries to set up a similar umbrella.
      (4) ensure that there was no requirements for developing counties to meet targets (so industry has an incentive to transfer to them from Amerikkka and the Australianazis, putting negative pressure on les anglo-saxon economies).

      Of course, like most grand plans of the Euroweenies, they couldn’t stick to the script themselves. And of course, Clinton, Bush and Howard are not stupid.

      Posted by entropy on 2005 06 29 at 10:34 PM • permalink

 

    1. Yojimbo, I completely agree.  About half the movement is socialist driven.  Another front since they lost their Soviet allies.  The other half are pantheist nature worshipers who think you are less important than a gnat.

      Posted by Faramir on 2005 06 29 at 10:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. Louis, I believe the goal you mentioned started prior to the environmental movement.  It is the goal of the Fabian one-worlders.  Destroy Western Capitalism and then bring in the one world order.

      Posted by Faramir on 2005 06 29 at 10:40 PM • permalink

 

    1. Don’t you wish you’d somehow been able to get in on the ground floor of a scam like carbon emissions trading?  Effectively selling nothing at a fabulous price.  Brilliant.

      Posted by cuckoo on 2005 06 29 at 11:50 PM • permalink

 

    1. Maybe New Zealand should start looking a nuclear power!

      Posted by 26ounce on 2005 06 30 at 12:03 AM • permalink

 

    1. Here we go:

      NZ flatulence tax outrages farmers

      I bet Phillip Adams and Bob Ellis would be up for a hefty bill if it was introduced here.

      Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 06 30 at 12:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. Thats what happens when you follow like sheep, or is that lemmings.

      Posted by raider580 on 2005 06 30 at 01:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. I went to New Zealand at the end of 2003. Even my Scando-socialist raised wife commented that the NZ media were a “pack of little bitches”. They were obsessed with the USA and Australia. Of course they are morally superior to convict-ogre Australians and cowboy Yanks. Student politics have taken over the government and student press the media.

      Posted by JoeJr on 2005 06 30 at 04:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. NZ should give Aus some $$$ too as all the Kiwis end up here.

      Posted by rog2 on 2005 06 30 at 05:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. Notice how kyoto was structure:
      (1) 1990 was chosen as a base year (not when it is ratified), becuase that was when all those nasty, polluting factories and power plants in eastern Europe were shutting down, and Britain was getting out of the coal industry in Wales (result – easier to meet target for europe);
      (2) set up Europe as one entity (the europe umbrella)so that euro countries that have increasing emissions can can be offset by the eastern european decline in emmissions);
      (3) resist all attempts for other groups of countries to set up a similar umbrella.
      (4) ensure that there was no requirements for developing counties to meet targets (so industry has an incentive to transfer to them from Amerikkka and the Australianazis, putting negative pressure on les anglo-saxon economies).In a nutshell entropy !! The whole thing is a euro scam. luckily Aust/USA were not stupid enough to fall for it.

      Posted by Astonished on 2005 06 30 at 05:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. Does this mean that the greenies will now refer to the EU as ‘the world’s biggest polluter’?

      Posted by gg on 2005 06 30 at 06:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. Yes, watching NZ realise how dumb they have been is terribly pleasurable. It will be interesting to see if they stop some of their holier than thou attitude over CC.

      Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2005 06 30 at 07:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. Europe’s export of anti-economic green dogma to sympathetic groups in other economies can be compared with the Soviet use of leftist groups during the cold war.

      The wholesale, uncrticial import of Euro-green mantra into our own green movement was illustrated to me a few years ago when extending my house. Our clean, green designer, when discussing options for tiling, said to the effect that we might not want italian tiles as these had to be transported long distances and contributed to greenhouse emissions etc. Great, i thought, we live in one of the most isolated countries from developed markets and these guys want to restrict trade based on transport distances. Of course this works beautifully for EU countries which primarily trade amongst themselves and love to discourage imports from the far reaches of the earth but for Australia? Goodbye living standards. The sound of giggling euros could be faintly heard.

      Posted by Francis H on 2005 06 30 at 07:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. 26ounce—Then they’d have to throw themselves out of their own country.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 06 30 at 09:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Well, the NZers could always emigrate to Canada or something.

      Posted by PW on 2005 06 30 at 11:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. Francis, I hope you punched the designer.

      Posted by Aging Gamer on 2005 06 30 at 12:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. Aging Gamer – No I just asked for italian tiles that had come by the longest route.

      Posted by Francis H on 2005 06 30 at 06:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. Francis H—You should have stipulated that they must be cut by saws using two-cycle engines and leaded gas, and fired in a kiln fueled by old-growth lumber…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 06 30 at 08:50 PM • permalink

 

    1. I went to New Zealand at the end of 2003. Even my Scando-socialist raised wife commented that the NZ media were a “pack of little bitches”. They were obsessed with the USA and Australia.

      This just confirms my impression that NZ is Australia’s Canada.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2005 07 01 at 12:07 AM • permalink

 

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