GETUP GETS DOWN

A pre-Summit email from Labor stooge group GetUp:

Only 1000 people will be deliberating Australia’s future at next week’s 2020 Summit – but that’s not to say your voice won’t be heard. Incredibly, 118 of the chosen delegates are GetUp members, including our Executive Director Brett Solomon …

A more modest pre-Summit message at GetUp’s site:

1000 leading Australians are heading to Canberra to debate and shape a long-term strategy for Australia’s future in ten key areas … a bunch of the official delegates to 2020 are also GetUp members …

And a post-Summit confession, on Ten’s Meet the Press, from GetUp’s executive director:

BRETT SOLOMON: In fact, there was one representative of GetUp at the summit – and that was myself.

Posted by Tim B. on 04/28/2008 at 10:28 PM
    1. Count down: 118, bunch, one, result zero.

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 28 at 10:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. I guess it is not so easy to get your members up at Kevin’s summit at this time of year, regardless of your intentions.

      Hey Blair, what’s with all these threads about sex?

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2008 04 28 at 11:03 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well they could have had hundreds of reps there judging from the divisive, expensive and unhelpful (or outright disastrous) recommendations that emerged.

      Posted by Rafe on 2008 04 28 at 11:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. So that was – what? 117 empty seats? Or 117 seats filled by some other bunch of wankers?
      As Rafe says, the same result either way.

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 04 28 at 11:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. A Lefty lied??

      Posted by AlburyShifton on 2008 04 28 at 11:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. Much like a Tasmanian wedding, a head count of GetUp delegates is an inaccurate counting method.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 04 28 at 11:33 PM • permalink

 

    1. In fact, there was one representative of GetUp at the summit – and that was myself.

      And who elected you?

      Most of the “members” of Getup are simply people who might have once filled in a petition or an online quiz organised by the group.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 04 28 at 11:34 PM • permalink

 

    1. Judging by the empty talking-heads there, plenty of the seats were empty.

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 28 at 11:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. He did say others attended who were members of getup.

      Their statement that they do not support a particular party is so muich crap.  If they were a true progressive party they would only support the LDP.  but of course their pre-election “guide” always pointed you to, wait for it, the ALP.  Gee, pull the other one Brett.

      Posted by peter m on 2008 04 28 at 11:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Brett Solomon who organised “the social event” of the forum at the Canberra Press Club.

      An onanist orgy.

      Posted by watty on 2008 04 28 at 11:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. I wonder if what Brett means is that while 117 attendees were members, he was the only representative? It’s possible that GetUp was spinning the numbers one way for its members, then hurriedly spinning them the opposite way once it realised how sinister the numbers looked to everyone else.

      Either way, they’re an oily group of bastards.

      Posted by blandwagon on 2008 04 28 at 11:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. 118 Getup members = the equivalent brain power of a sack of potatoes = 0 effective representatives at the 2020 festival of farts.

      Posted by bondo on 2008 04 28 at 11:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. #2 yes as we see from:
      #4 wankers
      #6 Tasmanian wedding
      #10 onanist
      #11 oily

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 28 at 11:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. WTF is GetUp? Nevermind. I saw the website. His Holiness the Dalai Lama should sue for Libel after being photoshopped into that ungodly pit of soft-headed dumbassery.

      Posted by brett_l on 2008 04 29 at 12:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. Margos Maid

      Ha! Thats not a thread about sex!
      This is a thread about sex!

      Sex group wants prostitutes on skilled visa list

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 04 29 at 12:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. #14,

      GetUp! is a rather dodgy activist outfit.

      Its membership seems to be made up only of Labor Party members and true believers.  It was started a few years ago when a couple of Aussie blokes came back from the USA after being trained in how to lobby.  Not sure who funded the training, but something makes me think it was the Labor Party.

      Like blandwagon at #11, I also think they spun the numbers once they saw the public reaction to the 118/1000 ratio.

      Posted by ann j on 2008 04 29 at 12:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. Incredibly, 118 of the chosen delegates are GetUp members…

      Yeah, funny that. Simply amazing. Incredible that almost 12 per cent of the summit attendees were from just one organisation.

      Not to mention the Left/Right “balance”.

      What a farce. What a con job.

      Surely Australia hasn’t lost it’s bullshit detector.

      The Libs should romp home next election… if they can get rid of Nelson pull their finger out.

      Posted by bingbing on 2008 04 29 at 12:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bruce gets down

      Posted by Pickles on 2008 04 29 at 12:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. #18- No crass jokes please about the accompanying sound effect, thanks.

      Posted by Habib on 2008 04 29 at 01:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bloody hell. I took the figure (118) as gospel and wrote a whiny letter to the Letters Editor of the Telegraph pointing out that this was hardly representative.
      Thank the Lord they didn’t print it. (lol)

      Posted by Wacko on 2008 04 29 at 01:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. #19

      As if

      Posted by Pickles on 2008 04 29 at 01:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I really didn’t believe they’d do this…

      The Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission has hired Aboriginal academic Mick Dodson to help create a model for a new peak body to replace ATSIC.

      SPLITS have emerged within Labor over plans promoted by Aboriginal academic Mick Dodson to create a new indigenous representative body to replace the disbanded ATSIC.

      Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin yesterday promised to consider any proposal put forward by Professor Dodson as part of Labor’s pledge to create a new body representing indigenous Australians.

      But Labor powerbroker Warren Mundine said an ATSIC replacement, which would place power in the hands of the same Aboriginal leaders who had failed to deliver in indigenous affairs for 20 years, was “crazy’ and should not even be considered by the Government.

      “They are trying to set up another ATSIC with legislative power,” said Mr Mundine, a former Labor president. “It’s going to be a disaster. Can you imagine the (former ATSIC chairman) Geoff Clarks and the (former ATSIC commissioner) Sugar Ray Robinsons with legislative power behind them?”

      Posted by monaro on 2008 04 29 at 01:48 AM • permalink

 

    1. #19, Safety catch applied. (with difficulty)

      Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2008 04 29 at 01:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. #22

      Cha-CHING!!!

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 29 at 01:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. #22
      And good on Mr Warren Mundine!

      Can’t those Labor fuckheads see that this is wrong, wrong, wrong?

      It hasn’t worked in the past, why do they think it’ll work in the future?

      As Gordon Ramsay says….

      y’know?

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 29 at 01:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. 22.
      The definition of stupid is to do the same thing and expect a different result.
      Exactly what worked in the old ATSIC? Apart from a gravy train for whakerdemics and race greivance ticks?

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 04 29 at 02:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. Step One:  Take a number of communities were people live in fear and degradation.

      Step Two:  Give free reign to a host of thugs and rapists to stand over said communities and become their ‘representatives.’

      Step Three: Call it self-determination.

      Posted by monaro on 2008 04 29 at 02:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. #19 Habib,

      are talking about the sound that b__________________ choke! *cough* gurgle ooaaarrggghhhh…….

      Posted by Pogria on 2008 04 29 at 02:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. #28 Anyone know the joke about the priest, the truck driver and the road to Darwin?

      Posted by CB on 2008 04 29 at 03:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. #29 “It’s alright my son – I got him with the door”.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 29 at 03:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. #18 – “Get your left hand and grab on to the rail”. Hmmm. Not the best instructions to an uneducated drunk. “Grab the rail with your smoking or non-drinking hand” may have saved a fall.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 04 29 at 04:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. #30
      That’s a good joke.

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 29 at 04:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. “In fact, there was one representative of GetUp at the summit”
      That’s weasel-word doublespeak. So there was one guy walking around with “Getup” on his name-badge… himself. He’s answering a question that nobody asked.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2008 04 29 at 04:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. #11 I think you have nailed it blandwagon

      Posted by PeterTB on 2008 04 29 at 05:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. #16 ann j –

      GetUp! is a rather dodgy activist outfit.

      Dodgy?  What does dodgy mean?  (We don’t use that word in Amerikkka.  I wonder why not.  Seems like a good word).

      Posted by wronwright on 2008 04 29 at 05:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. #35 I think the Amerikkkan equivalent is “shifty”.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2008 04 29 at 05:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. dodgy – unreliable, dubious; lacking credibility.

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 04 29 at 05:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. #16 ann j

      GetUp! is a rather dodgy activist outfit.

      GetUp is a Labor front organisation set up to attack John Howard on issues that Labor itself couldn’t touch politically. Notable were David Hicks and the Tasmanian pulp mill.

      Expect GetUp to wrap up soon. Those suckers who joined thinking it was independent will wake up when it refuses to attack Rudd’s policies. They won’t renew their memberships. Brett Solomon will be given some plumb job as a reward for efforts on behalf of the party.

      Can think of one precedent. A woman from the Australian Consumers Association who played a key role in discrediting Hewson’s Fightback GST was rewarded by Keating with a high-paid government job. Just can’t think of her name.

      Posted by Contrail on 2008 04 29 at 05:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. “Dodgy” in Australian usage is almost invariably followed by “Brothers”.
      Quoting wikipedia:
      The Dodgy Brothers… two badly dressed and dim businessmen who appeared in the low-budget and badly-produced television advertisements selling their dodgy products. Partly a parody of the then ubiquitous advertisements for the Saba furniture warehouse…

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 04 29 at 05:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. #39 Dodgy Bros in N.T were named Mick and Pat.

      Posted by watty on 2008 04 29 at 06:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. #40 Watty

      They still are.

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 29 at 06:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. and I hear they’re going to Canberra

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 29 at 06:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. In fact, there was one representative of GetUp at the summit – and that was myself.

      F*ckup?

      #22
      AT$IC – uniting the Nation?

      A new name for the Abo industry body: AT$InC.

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 29 at 06:36 AM • permalink

 

    1. “dodgy” can also refer to unreliable workmanship…

      We paused before crossing the bridge. The planks looked worn and frankly, pretty dodgy

      …cars that are likely to break down…

      He bought a dodgy old Ford with a dodgy motor

      …unscrupulous businessmen of questionable legal status…

      that bloke does some dodgy deals

      …and food that is suspected of containing unsafe levels of bacteria

      this ham smells dodgy.

      I hope that helps.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2008 04 29 at 06:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. On the subject of dodgy: meet the ALP’s greatest asset in Western Australia.
      Opposition Leader Troy Buswell admits to sniffing woman’s chair.
      Class act, Troy.
      That’s going to win votes.

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 04 29 at 06:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. #45 yes, it proves again that ancient wise saying, “Don’t behave like a jerk in public.”
      I guess you shouldn’t do it in private either, but if you’re a politician, never break this cardinal rule.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2008 04 29 at 07:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. #15

      “Visas for Skilled Hookers!”

      The motto of their trade group, GetItUp.  Hey, both groups really suck.

      Posted by SSG Pooh on 2008 04 29 at 07:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. #47
      Only if you can’t get it up.

      ~8^D

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 29 at 07:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. Dodgy?  What does dodgy mean?  (We don’t use that word in Amerikkka.  I wonder why not.  Seems like a good word).

      Au contraire.  I’ve recently heard it slipping into the North American vernacular.  Look at this article from the Washington Times:

      Although U.S. officials insist they “take seriously our obligation to talk to the Chinese about human rights” during the Olympics, they seem oblivious to the dodgy optics of an American president celebrating China’s “emergence on the world stage,” at a time when China is expressing an unrepentant preference for an outdated — not to mention brutal — Leninist system of governance.

      Or the Toronto Star:

      Lack of signals makes crossing dodgy

      They’re using it in New Jersey:

      Fed accepts dodgy collateral in race to bottom

      The Tampa Tribune:

      High-End Security Job Carries Dodgy Offer

      The San Francisco Chronicle:

      And true, the Stars went ahead as the result of a dodgy penalty call on Christian Ehrhoff…

      Princeton University:

      sell these dodgy derivatives…

      The Wall Street Journal:

      statues and relics acquired by the Venetians over the years in various dodgy ways

      And again in the Wall Street Journal:

      So having raised solemn alarms when the Fed began to accept dodgy mortgage-backed securities as collateral…

      The Chicago Tribune:

      with all of its dodgy implications…

      And the Taipei Times:

      The PRC-Philippines’ dodgy deal

      Korea too:

      Dodgy Party List Candidates Must Go

      Russia:

      Russia stops attempt to import dodgy Polish beef

      And still using it in the UK:

      <a href=”15 million dodgy fags seized by customs”>15 million dodgy fags seized by customs</a>

      Although I’m aware of the impact the Dodgy Brothers, not to be confused with the Dodge brothers, had on the Australian vernacular, I suspect the English TV series Minder played an even bigger part in the word’s domination of Australian English (as it did with the word minder).  The name Arthur Daley is still regularly mentioned in Australian parliaments.

      Posted by monaro on 2008 04 29 at 07:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. #22 Professor Dodson?

      Professor of what, within the school of tinnyology perhaps?

      Posted by Nic on 2008 04 29 at 07:48 AM • permalink

 

    1. #46 – And it’s not as if this is the first time Buswell has had to fess up. Late last year he had to make a public apology for snapping a lady’s bra strap. Oh, but he’d had a couple of drinks, so maybe that was all right.
      WA government is loaded with idiots. But they’re shining beacons of competence beside the Libs right now.

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 04 29 at 07:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. 15 million dodgy fags seized by customs

      Posted by monaro on 2008 04 29 at 07:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. So I’m guessing not too many Dodges are sold in Oz?

      Posted by dean martin on 2008 04 29 at 07:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. my little girl

      For a limited time only, some funny photos of my little girl, who just passed 13 months of completely turning our world upside down.

      password is lucy

      she recently had some fun with water and soap bubbles while I washed the cars – must add them to the collection too.

      ps getup can getstuffed!

      stooges!

      Posted by peter m on 2008 04 29 at 08:01 AM • permalink

 

 

    1. They’re great pics PM. It only seems like yesterday that I took my little girl to a Sunday session at the Manly Hotel in Brisbane and had a dance with her on the patio when she was only weeks old.

      That young lady turned 21 a few weeks back and in the next months she and I are returning to the session at the Manly to have another dance together.

      Look out…the time will fly and your Lucy will grow up very quickly.

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 04 29 at 08:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. So I’m guessing not too many Dodges are sold in Oz?

      It’s only relatively recently that Chryslers were re-introduced to Australia, as a range of fully imported Chrysler and Dodge brand cars.

      Chrysler Australia built or assembled cars from the early fifties, including some Dodges, up until the early eighties when they sold everything to Mitsubishi.  Most cars they made from the 60s on were called Chryslers, an exception being the Hillman Hunter.  Their flagship was the Chrysler Valiant, while their muscle car was the Valiant Charger, none of which were based on the Dodge Charger, but maybe one of which was based on the Dodge Dart.

      Posted by monaro on 2008 04 29 at 08:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. #54: An absolutely charming child, Peter M; God bless her. But surely you’re not teaching her to commit golf at such an early age?

      Posted by paco on 2008 04 29 at 08:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. Dodge. I saw a sedan over the weekend. It was an unusual looking car, I’d never seen one before, so I took the trouble to see what it was. Here it is… Avenger. Mind you, I only saw the back of it.

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 29 at 08:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. Well, GetUp could have considered Krudd’s boy advisor Lachlan Harris (former GetUp spokesperson/head orifice) as part of its representation. Funny it failed to mention that!

      Posted by mindfree on 2008 04 29 at 08:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. #57; Those Valiant Chargers are real beauties. Dodge Darts are a bit of a joke here, thanks to Al Bundy. How come Australia doesn’t have the big boats, like Chrysler Imperial? All that open road, it would seem to be a natural.

      Posted by dean martin on 2008 04 29 at 09:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. What about this thing with a 6.1 litre HEMI.

      That’ll stop the onset of global cooling.

      Posted by monaro on 2008 04 29 at 09:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. #61 We have the Chrysler 300C in Oz.

      Posted by surfmaster on 2008 04 29 at 09:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. #54 – was that chuppa chup bucket once full of chuppa chups?

      Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 29 at 09:23 AM • permalink

 

    1. What the world needs now is a right-hand drive Dodge Challenger.

      Posted by monaro on 2008 04 29 at 09:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. #54 She’s gorgeous Peter. I see you have very similar annoying-noisy-toys to the ones in Casa Ash. I hope you enjoy them just as much!

      Posted by Ash_ on 2008 04 29 at 09:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. All this seems to have been hijacked by a Mopar theme; what you’all need to see is a review of MOPAR muscle, or if you’all still don’t believe, GTHO cubic inches may impress, but hemi is going to fuck you big time!

      Posted by Habib on 2008 04 29 at 10:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. #54, what a beauty, PeterM!  My baby girl turns 37 this year, so enjoy her as long as you possibly can.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 04 29 at 12:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. #57 monaro –

      … while their muscle car was the Valiant Charger, none of which were based on the Dodge Charger, but maybe one of which was based on the Dodge Dart.

      I can assure you, it wasn’t based on the Dodge Dart.  The Dart was the biggest old man car ever.  My dad had one.  Olive green.  Vinyl seats.  And no radio (let alone a nice 8 track tape deck).  Old horses had more get up than that car.

      Yet, dear old dad won it in an auction and was proud to drive it.  Hey, that was fine with me, I had a 1970 Chevrolet Monte Carlo with a big ass 400 cubic inch engine!, mag wheels!!, slick tires!!!, and jacked up baby.  Oh, what a fine machine.  Up until my doofus brother ran into some equally doofus friend.

      Then wronwright had to borrowed dad’s martini olive for dates while the Dream Machine was being repaired.  What an embarrassment showing up at a girl’s house in that POS.  And seeing the girl’s face sour at the look of it.  Man, what a bummer that was.

      Oh anyway, I just wanted to say it’s very unlikely the Challenger was based on the Dodge Dart.  Very.  Unlikely.

      Posted by wronwright on 2008 04 29 at 01:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. 56 – mehaul – yeah I can remember like it was last week, the birth of my first nephew, and I’m going to his 21st dinner celebration Saturday night.  He is already engaged, finished uni and working in his chosen field, and I’m just starting my family!  all good.

      58 – paco – I have dreams of her becoming a golfing pro, just so I get to caddy and walk along some of the great courses of the world.  She’ll be right, so long as she doesn’t follow my “advice”.

      64 – mr creosote – apparently!  We got it AFTER the great emptying.

      66 – _Ash – The sad part is I’m starting to sing along and enjoy the annoying music!  Funny how kids make you return to simple pleasures.

      68 – RebeccaH – no worries.  It is pretty tearing having to go to work and miss out on so much.  I think she gets sick of me by the end of the weekend as I won’t let her play on her own – lol.  Number 2 in a couple of months will make it even more interesting.

      mmm big cars – reminds me of my 2 years owning a v8 monaro (02 model) – red leather etc.  Such a sweet sound just idling.

      Posted by peter m on 2008 04 29 at 06:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. #67
      Nice for the Seppo’s to give the E49 4-speed R/T Charger a hat tip … a pity the author didn’t get the designation correct until its last reference in the article …

      #61
      The pollies killed-off the early ‘70s Oz musclecar war just as Chrysler was shoehorning performance V8’s into the Charger.
      Sans 6-pack and auto-only, the newly introduced E55 340 V8 Charger was only marginally slower than the manual 351 V8 Falcon GTHO (which the E49 I6 blitzed; wiki refers to the Kiwis’ 1970s unbeaten records of the Chargers; even the Ford factory and gun driver Alan Moffat couldn’t fell privateers in the Chargers).

      IIRC the proposed Phase IV Falcon GTHO 351 V8 engine was diverted to Fairlanes and is identifiable by a ‘winged sump’ windage tray; it was also to receive improved header pipes … good ole competition!

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 29 at 06:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. Brian Has Brush With Road Train – By Jasmin Afianos: Sunday Territorian 24 April 1995.

      Brian Anderson thought he was sure to die when he was hit by a road train in Tennant Creek. But he wasn’t even hurt.

      Mr Anderson, 25, was taken to hospital by ambulance but he wasn’t admitted because there was nothing wrong with him.

      “The doctor told me I must be a machine or something”, he said the following morning. “I don’t feel sore, I’ve got no broken bones, nothing.”

      “When my brother got run over by a road train, he died. But I can’t feel pain”.

      Mr Anderson said he was drunk when he attemped to cross the main street in front of a hotel. “I was just walking across the road and the next thing I saw was a big bullbar coming to hit me. It threw me up in the air. When the ambulance man came he was saying, “Brian can you hear me?” I could hear him because I was alright.”

      Despite several near misses Mr Anderson has never been hit by a truck before.

      He says nothing hurts him.

      “Sometimes I get a beating with nulla nullas or I get payback stabbings for causing trouble but I don’t feel it.”

      Mr Anderson has been stabbed in the legs, shoulders, arms and chest more times than he can rememberbut it has never hurt him.

      “I just bleed and get better,” he said.

      Posted by Pickles on 2008 04 29 at 07:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. #72
      Where there’s no sense, there’s no feeling
      where there’s no pain, no brain.

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 29 at 08:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. #72 Pickles. Story headed:

      pissed rubber boong bounces

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 04 29 at 08:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. Damn, but this guy sounds familiar.

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 04 29 at 10:55 PM • permalink

 

  1. #57 Monaro – I think you will find that the AP5 Valiant didn’t have a utility (“ute”) version, the AP6 introduced the “ute” as a “Wayfarer”, and from 1967 onwards, with the VC model, every iteration of the “Valiant” ute was called a Dodge.

    I may be wrong, but we built plenty of Dodges here until 1980.

    Posted by Kaboom on 2008 04 30 at 04:45 AM • permalink