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This is interesting:
Some newspapers have suggested the bombers might have been duped into believing they had time to escape after planting the devices. The Sunday Telegraph said the men had bought return tickets from Luton to London and had even paid for a carpark ticket for the car they left at Luton station.
You can’t trust anybody these days.
Do they still get their 72 virgins, or do you have to be a willing martyr?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 07 17 at 07:58 AM • permalinkOughta be a recruiting pitch in this somewhere…
Posted by nofixedabode on 2005 07 17 at 08:08 AM • permalinkSounds familiar.
Word was that the suicide bomber who hit the Sari club in Bali had a timer, but was blown up with his bomb by a mobile phone call trigger when he was in position.
I am really broken hearted about the fact these poor fools were duped by their controllers.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2005 07 17 at 08:15 AM • permalinkhttp://freelebanon.org/articles/a271.htm
A good friend of mine wrote this some time ago. It is still relevant.
I am a bit sceptical, it would be too easy for one of them to discover that their bomb did not have a timer after all….
I think it far more likely that they were in fact suicide bombers (even though I hate the term - it convieniently ‘forgets’ about all the victims).
If anyone can spare the time, there is an excellent study in Policy looking a the motivations of western raised jihadis. Incidently, it was written before the recent London incident.
Re: 8
I am a bit sceptical, it would be too easy for one of them to discover that their bomb did not have a timer after all….
It could have had both a timer and a mobile phone trigger. It sounds likely that they were expendable “heroes” in that their boss did not want to risk them getting caught later.
More likely just another effort to portray these scum as the real victims.
Posted by Hucklebuck on 2005 07 17 at 10:21 AM • permalinkBuying return tickets is standard fieldcraft. Things that get flagged are single tickets bought for cash (and curiously enough single tickets often aren’t much cheaper than return). Britons were pretty complacent before July 7th, but four young Pakistani-looking guys with backpacks all buying one-way tickets might have aroused even the most torpid ticket clerk.
Posted by David Gillies on 2005 07 17 at 11:48 AM • permalinkRemember Osama’s confessional video where he laughed at how most of the hijackers didn’t even know they were on a suicide mission until it was too late?
Posted by Aaron - Freewill on 2005 07 17 at 01:49 PM • permalinkRebeccaH: Whether they intended to be suicide bombers or just bombers is irrelevant.
To the victims it is. But it would be an important fact if they were duped.
It would suggest that suicide bombers are not that easy to recruit. Coverage in the media (sigh) might make the next “bombers” a bit suspicious of the “timers” provided to them by their controllers.
And certainly it will have an effect on friends, family and community if it becomes known that those kids (who were just interested in having a little fun) were in fact murdered by some AQ jerk from the ME.
Posted by zeppenwolf on 2005 07 17 at 01:55 PM • permalinkwho were just interested in having a little fun
This is sarcasm, right? Please tell me this is sarcasm.
On the ‘did they know or didn’t they’ question, I recall accounts that the bus bomber was very twitchy, kept looking into his bag. Of course, if I were schlepping a bomb around, timer or no, I’d be a bit on edge, too.
This has previously happened.
A would-be suicide bomber in Israel had a ‘wardrobe malfunction’ and ended up in an Israeli hospital (where he received full attention and care by the way).
Upon recovery, he initially thought he was in heaven (bright lights, white walls, gorgeous Israeli nurses). When they finally convinced him where he was (he must have figured there were no Jews in heaven) he revealed that he was duped.
He had been told he wouldn’t die and should “press this button and you’ll have 30 seconds to escape” or similar.
It turns out, they wanted to get rid of him as well so he could never turn informant. He never intended suicide.
Knowing he’d been backstabbed, he squealed like a halal pig on the ‘masterminds’ behind the plan which backfired…
My memory of the above is sketchy however I can’t find a source for the above as Googling for “Palestinian terrorist” returns too many hits… Interestingly, a search for “Palestinian Christian terrorist” doesn’t. Funny that!
Well Dan - that explains the little side step imams do when addressing the issue of suicide terrorists.
They don’t actually jump, they’re pushed. Therefore it is clear to Allah that the didn’t commit suicide and thus a eligible for their LVA (loser virgin allowance).
How reassuring…
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 07 17 at 10:11 PM • permalinkDan I saw that story.
It concerned a Euro corridoor for funneling suicide bombers East.(This was before the London bombings).They talked of a few candidates who had volunteered to fight Americans but found themselves headed for oblivion instead
They then informed the authorities after escaping.They claimed that there was a very brief interval between volunteering and being put into action,so there was little time to change their minds anyway.
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I nearly feel sorry for them.
Nearly.