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"WHERE ARE THE GOOD JEWS TODAY?"

Henry di Suvero usually spends his afternoons writing “all sorts of things, including letters to the ABC protesting against its pro-Israeli news coverage.” That’s about what you’d expect from someone who, as a lawyer in the US, defended the Weathermen. Late in life, Henry has become a playwright. His latest work, pre-emptively hyped by the Sydney Morning Herald, is The Ballad of Rachel Corrie:

Corrie went to the Gaza Strip with a peace group called the International Solidarity Movement; she helped escort Palestinian children to school and wrote reports on what she saw happening in Rafah, where she was based. In March 2003 she and four other members of the movement spent the afternoon trying to stop Israeli tanks bulldozing a row of houses. Corrie was standing in front of one house, wearing an orange fluorescent jacket, as a bulldozer approached. Witnesses say it was obvious the driver and nearby soldiers could see her, but she refused to move. The bulldozer, fitted with a bucket designed specially to knock down houses, rolled on, crushing her. Its driver then stopped and reversed over her body, witnesses from the movement say.

Di Suvero has never been to Israel, but saw it all reported in the media ... The Ballad of Rachel Corrie is the second of a trilogy he is writing on the issue.

"My first play really asks the question: why do the Palestinians have to keep on paying for the Holocaust? This play moves on and asks: what is the utility of non-violence? The third play, which is about refuseniks, asks the question: where are the good Jews today?"

Calculate the odds of ever seeing this line appear, without condemnation, in the SMH: “Where are the good Muslims today?” Ballad is the second Corrie play; the gal’s becoming a franchise.

Posted by Tim B. on 10/26/2005 at 10:41 AM
  1. "Good Jews” must be those who willingly let themselves get slaughtered in the name of “peace”, I guess.

    Posted by PW on 2005 10 26 at 11:56 AM • permalink

  2. TWO trilogies on this issue?!? I have said it before in a different context, but I like to recommend it as therapy to my friends: whenever I hear the squeak of the moonbat, I just close my eyes and picture myself in the air-conditioned cab of a bulldozer, soaking on a cold brew, chasing him across a broad, treeless plain . . .

    Posted by paco on 2005 10 26 at 12:10 PM • permalink

  3. "The third play, which is about refuseniks, asks the question: where are the good Jews today?"

    I know what many socially enlightened people would want to say if they could.  They’ve all been burned into ash and spread on German wheat fields.  Or else bulldozed into giant open pits by the SS.

    That’s a bulldozer play I’d like to see Henry di Suvero write.  About a generation of European Jews who were depravenly bulldozed into large holes in Europe.  But I imagine he has no interest in that.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 26 at 12:20 PM • permalink

  4. This play is designed to be an early morning performance, with a breakfast part of the audience interaction.  The main course will be pancakes.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 26 at 01:16 PM • permalink

  5. Randy Newman provided a roll model for Rachael, and it wasn’t Horst Wessel::

    On down the beach came the beach-cleaning man
    Scoopin’ up the papers and flattening down the sand
    “;Lucinda, Lucinda, Lucinda - we’ve got to run away
    That big white truck is closin’ in
    And we’ll get wounded if we stay”;
    Now Lucinda lies buried ‘neath the California sand
    Put under by the beach-cleaning man
    Lucinda, Lucinda, Lucinda - why’d you have to go?
    They sent her to high school
    They sent her to low school
    She just wouldn’t go further

    Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2005 10 26 at 01:44 PM • permalink

  6. wronwright,

    That’s a bulldozer play I’d like to see Henry di Suvero write.  About a generation of European Jews who were depravenly bulldozed into large holes in Europe.  But I imagine he has no interest in that.

    I’m sure if he did, he’d find a way to blame the Jews themselves for their fate.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 10 26 at 01:46 PM • permalink

  7. In a related news story.

    "The State of Israel should be wiped off the map”, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday.

    I propose that the Israelis commission Caterpillar Tractor to build the world’s largest bulldozer, Point it east and don’t put on the brakes until they reach Mashhad.

    Posted by joe bagadonuts on 2005 10 26 at 03:40 PM • permalink

  8. #2 Paco, thanks. I will try it, maybe bring down the old blood pressure.

    Posted by Latino on 2005 10 26 at 03:49 PM • permalink

  9. Where are the good Jews?

    I think they are driving tractors and destroying tunnels used by terrorists to kill Jews.

    Posted by Shtetl G on 2005 10 26 at 03:58 PM • permalink

  10. Coming soon, the Rachel Corrie Arena Spectacular, with monster-truck and bulldozer action!!

    Posted by cuckoo on 2005 10 26 at 05:25 PM • permalink

  11. Rachel Corrie went to Gaza to assist the people who are trying to perpetrate another genocide on the Jews.  That malevolent people in the West glorify her role as a wannabe accessory to mass murder exposes their depravity and moral cretinism.

    Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 10 26 at 05:41 PM • permalink

  12. Can’t blame him, really. He’s just trying to suck up to the Nobel Prize committee.

    Posted by SoCalJustice on 2005 10 26 at 07:12 PM • permalink

  13. I do hope Charles Darwin plays a prominent role in the play. People who stand in front of bulldozers sort of prove his theory.

    Posted by jpaulg on 2005 10 26 at 07:21 PM • permalink

  14. A musical can’t be far.
    What would be a good title?

    Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2005 10 26 at 07:29 PM • permalink

  15. 14# The Musical -
    “Where have all the good Jews gone -
    They’re in mass-graves every one

    Posted by Melanie on 2005 10 26 at 07:50 PM • permalink

  16. where are the good Jews today?

    Israel?

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 26 at 07:54 PM • permalink

  17. “Good Jews” must be those who willingly let themselves get slaughtered in the name of “peace”, I guess.

    Yep. A variation of “The only good Jew is a dead Jew.”

    But don’t ever call these folks anti-Semitic. Oh, no.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 26 at 07:55 PM • permalink

  18. The Herald has a serious problem.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2005 10 26 at 08:04 PM • permalink

  19. In the first article, it states:

    Di Suvero was moved to write Crescent Moon “when Sharon went in and destroyed the Jenin camp” in 2002.

    Presumably he wasn’t “moved” to scrap it when it turned out the “Jenin massacre” never actually happened. Instead, he qualified it by saying:

    "He just destroyed it and killed 50 people and they said it wasn’t a massacre"
    Perhaps because the absolute majority of the 50 killed at the time were armed combatants?
    "It was just a rampage - and there was no real outcry from the world."
    Before writing his next play, he should read What really happened at Jenin. After all that, it amazes me that to this day Reuters (and by extension Fairfax) take at absolute face value “reports” by Palestinian medical spokesman, witnesses etc. and sometimes (but not always) follow each lie or fabrication up with a “denial” by the Israeli Government. I’m no journo, but I know that isn’t how it should work.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2005 10 26 at 08:13 PM • permalink

  20. Rachel Corrie,
    in a quarry,
    feeling a little flat.
    Allong came a JOO
    Who suggested she move
    She was to dumb for that.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 10 26 at 08:15 PM • permalink

  21. Seems Mr. di Suvero’s other play has some problems as well… seeing as 25 theaters turned it down.  Could be he just substitutes offensiveness for talent?

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 10 26 at 08:19 PM • permalink

  22. Good one, follikingmoloe. Let’s have some more stanzas of the ballad:

    A girl called Rachel Corrie
    was a dull little lefty hick.
    Now she’s ten feet in diameter
    and basically half and inch thick ,,,?

    Posted by Susan Norton on 2005 10 26 at 08:58 PM • permalink

  23. seeing as 25 theaters turned it down
    The “Theater,” like the “Banks,” the “Media,” and the “Government,” is Zionist controlled.

    At least that’s what the voices in Mr. di Suvero’s head are saying. 

    Even the “media” outlets that show a constant stream of Zionist atrocities are controlled by Zionists.  They’re tricky like that.

    Posted by SoCalJustice on 2005 10 26 at 09:04 PM • permalink

  24. There once was a moonbat named Corrie,
    whose bromides were tired and hoary.
    She got squished by a dozer
    for media exposure
    Now her flattened ass looks pretty sorry.

    (Sorry, I suck at limericks.)

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 26 at 09:19 PM • permalink

  25. I find these ‘Corrie jokes’ tasteless and sick.  But I also find di Suvero and all the exploiters of her stupidity like him even sicker.
    She was young, naive, brainwashed, very ignorant or all of those, but they have no excuse.

    Posted by Barrie on 2005 10 26 at 09:32 PM • permalink

  26. Here are some other Rachels who died and will probably never have plays written about them…

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2005 10 26 at 09:49 PM • permalink

  27. I find these ‘Corrie jokes’ tasteless and sick.

    Actually I find them oafish and infantile.  And very very funny.  I’m sorry, I’m evil, I admit it.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 26 at 09:52 PM • permalink

  28. The Israeli autopsy on Corrie’s body found she died from the impact of falling rubble, not from being crushed by a bulldozer - twice, going by the ISM ‘eyewitnesses’. Pretty much as you’d expect, given she lay down behind a pile of rublle that the ‘dozer was clearing. She was photographed after death, too, and she obviously had not been crushed.

    Posted by robf on 2005 10 26 at 10:46 PM • permalink

  29. All the young Rachels who were murdered by suicide bombers have been purposely ignored by the English media.
    Even though one was a British citizen who succombed to her dreadful wounds after 11 days of intolerable pain.
    Only Corrie matters to them, a member of terror support orgainsation that openly calls for the destruction of the Isrseli state and has harbored murderers in its offices and smuggled weapons for hamas.
    Next they will push for a nobel prize for her and the other moonbat Cindi.
    The stench from the left wing terror supporters is sickening!

    Antisemitism thrives and feeds on the holocaust revisionism of European writers such as Faurisson, financed by the arab world.
    anti zionism thrives and feeds on the revisionism of Israel’s history authored by academics such as Edward Said financed by the arab world.
    The lies and distortions propagated are merely part of anti western Jihad , readily accepted by woolly minded left wingers.
    Their acceptance by westerners directed at Jews is a form of appeasement of islamists. it has been going on for centuries in the top echelons of christian chuches in the vain hope of averting the massacre of their flocks in the Muslim world.
    An example only last week in Egypt shows what happened to the minute remaining coptic population when they dare even to complain about their treatment at the hands of their muslim masters.
    When european leftist appeasers accept all the lies and distortions they not only degrade themselves to the level of slaves but seriously endanger their own future.
    Only when europe shouts from the roof tops that israel has a right to exist and lends its support will it reclaim its dignity and rise from the depths of its dishonour. it will then deal a serious blow to the islamofascists who wish to consume it. And it will begin to recover from the awful fate that awaits it.
    This will mark the turning of the tide of Islamic invasion as surely as the efforts of Charles Martel so many years ago.

    Posted by davo on 2005 10 26 at 11:56 PM • permalink

  30. here’s is Tom Gross’s article in the Spectator re Rachel Corrie.
    RACHEL Thaler, aged 16, was blown up at a pizzeria in an Israeli shopping mall. She died after an 11-day struggle for life following a suicide bomb attack on a crowd of teenagers on 16 February 2002.

    Even though Thaler was a British citizen, born in London, where her grandparents still live, her death has never been mentioned in a British newspaper.

    RACHEL Corrie, on the other hand, an American radical who died in 2003 while acting as a human shield during an Israeli anti-terror operation in Gaza, has been widely featured in the British press. According to the Guardian website, she has been written about or referred to on 57 separate occasions in the Guardian alone, including three articles the Saturday before last.

    The cult of RACHEL Corrie doesn’t stop there. Last week the play, My Name is Rachel Corrie, reopened at the larger downstairs auditorium at the Royal Court Theatre (a venue which the New York Times recently described as ‘the most important theatre in Europe’). It previously played to sold-out audiences at the upstairs theatre when it opened in April. (It is very rare to revive a play so quickly.)

    On 1 November the ‘Cantata concert for RACHEL Corrie’ — co-sponsored by the Arts Council — has its world premiere at the Hackney Empire.

    Posted by davo on 2005 10 27 at 12:21 AM • permalink

  31. Re: #28, robf, you mean we can’t refer to Rachel Corrie as “St. Rachael, Patron Of Pancakes”? after all?

    Yes, that’s oafish and infantile....and what she deserves.  Rachel THALER deserved better....she didn’t ask to be blown up.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 27 at 12:42 AM • permalink

  32. Packing out in every theatre,
    Is a polemic little feature,
    About a crazy activist creature,
    That has a thickness of a millimetre.

    Don’t worry ‘bout checking the facts,
    Say a JOOO squashed her in his tracks,
    Give those Hebies forty whacks,
    It’ll be praised by Guardian hacks.

    Why’s anyone feeling slightly sorry,
    For protest pancake Rachael Corrie?
    She could’ve been flattened by a lorry,
    Or by bowling ladies in a Morrie.

    If near either she played the fool,
    Instead she was being HAMAS’ tool,
    I don’t want to be a ghoul,
    But that ‘dozer chlorinated that gene pool.

    Posted by Habib on 2005 10 27 at 01:10 AM • permalink

  33. Bravo!

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 27 at 02:03 AM • permalink

  34. Just sit right back and you’ll hear a tale,
    a tale of a hippie dip,
    who wandered from her comfy home
    on a goofy Mideast trip.

    Her brain was a sponge for moonbat lore,
    some sick and twisted views,
    This numbskull had a head of mush
    and her friends chucked rocks at Jews.

    The bint, she started burning flags,
    She cursed and spit and screamed
    But thanks to the folks at Caterpillar Corp.,
    she was folded, pressed and steamed.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 27 at 02:22 AM • permalink

  35. Did you know the lyrics for Gilligans Island fit perfectly to the tune of Stairway to Heaven? That was great, Dave- I might have to release it as an MP3.

    Posted by Habib on 2005 10 27 at 02:30 AM • permalink

  36. Well chaverim, what are we going to do meet the rise of the new Nazis? I think buying 100 brand new Caterpillar D10Ns and then congregating them outside the offices of the Guardian wuld be a good start.

    Posted by Wolfbane on 2005 10 27 at 02:33 AM • permalink

  37. Even Australia seems to be sinking into lah lah land of absurd PC.
    If i convert to Islam i can beat my wife - no worries !
    Police told to respect traditions
    Liam Houlihan, religious affairs reporter
    25oct05
    http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/printpage/0,5481,17026063,00.html
    POLICE are being advised to treat Muslim domestic violence cases differently out of respect for Islamic traditions and habits.

    Officers are also being urged to work with Muslim leaders, who will try to keep the families together.
    Mr Daniells said the next edition would include Maori spiritual beliefs and practices.

    The glossy guides would have cost at least $300,000 to produce, a printing industry expert said.

    Nice to see those huge revenue invdreases being put to good use.

    Posted by davo on 2005 10 27 at 02:43 AM • permalink

  38. I can beat this exapmle of gross ahistorical blindness.  Adamski interviewed Kurt Vonnegut on ABC’s LNL and asked him if he was ‘still a socialist’. Of course, said Kurt, Karl Marx was a good guy who worked out a great scheme to help everybody by effectively organising society. 
    The word ‘communism’ didn’t pass the lips of these two inane worshippers of The Anti-West.

    Posted by Barrie on 2005 10 27 at 02:43 AM • permalink

  39. Is the Weathermen is the same organisation that was led by that woman Bernadine Dohrn?

    I think she’s still around.

    Posted by dee on 2005 10 27 at 03:34 AM • permalink

  40. Sorry for the extra “is”. PIMF.

    Posted by dee on 2005 10 27 at 03:35 AM • permalink

  41. The “good Jews” were on the other pages of the Herald having been blown up by a suicide bomber in the name of the Religion of Pieces. Very timely too of Iran to call for the eradication of Israel.

    Barrie, I am sorry you are offended by Israel defending herself. There seem to be no end of people offended by the resilience of Jews. Devaluing Corrie as naive and stupid discredits the absolutely malicious motives she had for being there in the first place.

    Posted by captain on 2005 10 27 at 04:19 AM • permalink

  42. I seem to recall her being photographed burning a home drawn flag of israel while a bunch of kids looked on.
    Anyone help me with a link to that??
    She was a rabid anit-semite before she even hit the middle east.
    Quite frankly if you stand in front of a military vehicle, in the midst of a military operation, ( I believe but may be wrong the house in question was either used as an arms cashe or a splodydopes family home) and hope by the power of your tie dyed armpit hair to make them go away you have a mental problem.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 10 27 at 04:33 AM • permalink

  43. #35 (Habib) Did you know the lyrics for Gilligans Island fit perfectly to the tune of Stairway to Heaven? That was great, Dave- I might have to release it as an MP3.

    Back in the 1980s, a band in Melbourne called “Running Joak” used to play that and a lot of other parodies at pubs like the Prince Patrick in Collingwood and Albion Charles in North Fitzroy. Very, very funny. They also brutally took the piss out of Midnight Oil.

    God I’d love to get my hands on any recordings.

    Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2005 10 27 at 04:52 AM • permalink

  44. Dee,

    Dohrn was indeed one of the leaders of the Weatherpersons. Frontpage Magazine sets up everyone’s favorite Dohrn quote from the 60s:

    “Taking charge of the podium [at a radical meet-up], dressed in a high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt –her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war gainst ‘Amerikkka’ and create chaos and destruction in the ‘belly of the beast.’ Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a ‘fork salute’ to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the ‘Tate Eight’ (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

    ‘Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!’

    I don’t know if she is still, but when the Frontpage article appeared just after 9/11 Dohrn was director of Northwestern University’s Children and Family Justice Center.

    Posted by jgm on 2005 10 27 at 05:05 AM • permalink

  45. #41 captain, You misjudge me badly.  I am a committed supporter of Israel’s self- defence, including this tragic event.

    The enemies of Israelis dehumanise them.
    The joking about Corrie also dehumanises her as a dead enemy, anti-semite or not, and does not help the cause of true humanity.
    I did say that the exploiters of her death are sicker than the flippant sick jokers.

    Posted by Barrie on 2005 10 27 at 05:47 AM • permalink

  46. Barrie, please accept my apology. I misread what you wrote “but they have no excuse” to be referring to Israel.

    On the other hand, humour is a sophisticated way of dealing with such tragedies. Corrie would be flat out defending herself.

    Posted by captain on 2005 10 27 at 06:02 AM • permalink

  47. Lets give Henry the benefit of the doubt by assuming his intentions were genuine, and answer his questions:

    My first play really asks the question: why do the Palestinians have to keep on paying for the Holocaust?

    Answer: They don’t. They simply have to stop trying to continue it. And perhaps they can go back to being Jordanians and Egyptians while they’re at it, rather than asking infidels to give up yet more land for yet more fraudulent muslim nationalities.

    This play moves on and asks: what is the utility of non-violence?

    Simple. It stops the infidel fighting back.

    The third play, which is about refuseniks, asks the question: where are the good Jews today?"

    As already stated, they’re busy killing terrorists, driving dozers and contributing to human progress in countless ways that muslims & lawyers for terrorists are incapable of.

    I think those plays are going to be mercifully brief.

    Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 10 27 at 06:34 AM • permalink

  48. #42

    I seem to recall her being photographed burning a home drawn flag of israel while a bunch of kids looked on.
    Anyone help me with a link to that??
    Here is the picture and accompanying article here .

    #35

    Did you know the lyrics for Gilligans Island fit perfectly to the tune of Stairway to Heaven?
    Bah! You can also sing the Australian National Anthem to the theme of Gilligan’s Island.

    #46 - Well done sir.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2005 10 27 at 07:00 AM • permalink

  49. RE: #42, thefrollickingmole....

    This photo is of Rachel Corrie burning a homemade American flag.  Not Israeli.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 27 at 07:02 AM • permalink

  50. Fairfax’s obsession/fetish (not to mention that of the ABC and SBS) over the Arab-Israel conflict is beyond sick. In addition to this garbage in the SMH, check out the entertainment section of the AGE and its glowing review of this film.

    Some quotes:

    Said (Kais Nashef) and Khaled (Ali Suliman) are young mechanics, seemingly more “slacker” than extremist. At dusk, they sit on a hillside smoking and talking about girls, but, given the extreme environment in which the childhood friends live, they’ve also decided to be suicide bombers.

    “Under the occupation, we are already dead,” notes Khaled, pleased to have been chosen for martyrdom.

    "Hopefully, it gives people a chance to understand why people willingly make the decision to be suicide bombers."

    So many films, so many plays, so many documentaries, so many art shows about “understanding suicide bombers,” “Palestinian victim hood,” and “Evil Israeli colonalism.”

    What makes these people, who purport to fight injustice, tick? In Sudan alone, over 1 million people have been brutually butchered in a space of less than five years—where are the plays, films and art shows and their glowing reviews in the fairfax press? Where is the healthy obession with that part of the world, considering the amount of people who were brutually butchered?

    Posted by Kidon on 2005 10 27 at 07:37 AM • permalink

  51. two seperate theaterical plays were made about Dozed out Corrie on both sides of the world. Its time for someone to write a play about the other Rachaels...

    Posted by Kidon on 2005 10 27 at 07:43 AM • permalink

  52. He writes “letters to the ABC protesting against its pro-Israeli news coverage”???
    Enough said.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2005 10 27 at 09:31 AM • permalink

  53. Kidon
    i’ve asked my self the same question.
    people like Suvero are followers of fashion, they have odious egos that need to be satisfied by the pandering of moonbat leftist intellectuals or what the french call ‘intellectuels de salon’.
    Byron Bay is the ideal place for people like him. They do not care a hoot about the palesinians or anyone but themseves in reality. They care only about being admired.
    And Sudan, well! no Orla Guerins or Islington intelligentsia posers there, only real no fuss helpers of refugees like medecins sans frontieres, so why waste time and effort on it.

    Posted by davo on 2005 10 27 at 03:41 PM • permalink

  54. Joyous Leftist Martyrs Banana Splits Commemoration Growth Industry Theme Song

    Four banana, three banana, two bananas, one
    All bananas playing in the bright warm sun
    Dripping like a pancake, popping like a cork,
    Ahmed! Adolf! Rachel and Dork!

    Making up a mess of fun!
    Making up a mess of fun!
    Lots of fun for everyone!

    Tra la laa, la lala laa, tra la laa, la lala laa!

    (Leftists, islamonazis, and moonbats of every stripe emerge from the shadows, surround the ankle-high gooey oozing but still musical martyrs, gleefully join in the singing, and swill sacramental “Klingon” wine from cheerful paper cups.)

    Posted by ForNow on 2005 10 27 at 08:49 PM • permalink

  55. Here’s one for #22

    There once was a woman called Susan
    Who did not go to “Rotto” for boozin’
    “Instead”, she did shout
    “I will hump my brains out!”
    Despite Andrea disapprovin’

    Posted by BS on 2005 10 28 at 02:05 AM • permalink

  56. The_Real_JeffS Dan Lewis
    Thanks for the correction, rather be corrected than ignorant any day!!
    Love the screaming moonbat face of Corrie and the frankly bemused faces of the “oppressed and traumatised” children around her.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 10 28 at 05:14 AM • permalink

  57. As I turned out, I didn’t. It rained a lot of the time, and I mostly slept and read. But I’m feeling a lot better for it.

    Posted by Susan Norton on 2005 10 29 at 05:55 AM • permalink

  58. TLI, Susan

    But, to be honest, I wasn’t completely happy with the last line anyway. Try this one:

    There once was a woman called Susan
    Who did not go to “Rotto” for boozin’
    “Instead”, she did shout
    “I will hump my brains out!”
    But it rained, so she ended up snoozin’

    Posted by BS on 2005 10 29 at 08:27 PM • permalink

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