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Apparently it requires Australia’s most expert spies to work out this:
ASIO believes the identification of Australia as part of the West, rather than its involvement in the Iraq war, makes it a target for Muslim extremists.
In its annual report to Federal Parliament, ASIO says the violence in Iraq has led to increased tensions within some of Australia’s Middle Eastern communities.
ASIO says the lead-up to last year’s elections in Iraq raised tensions between members of the Sunni and Shiite communities in Sydney.
The report says Australia and its interests continue to be a target for Muslim extremists around the world.
ASIO says, while the involvement in the war in Iraq has been given as one of the reasons, it is Australia’s identification by the extremists as a part of the West and a “crusader” nation that makes it a target for attacks.
We kind of figured.
(Via J.F. Beck)
The muslims are looking so far west, their viewpoint of the world has come up behind them from the east.
Its not that Oz is ‘western’ any more than that it is involved in Iraq, its that Australia is non-islamic and isnt yet ready to accept sharia domination.
These same savages once declared Japan as ‘western’ when it sent troops to Iraq. Its a convenient synonym for riling the uneducated and easily-induced muslim masses.
CB has nailed it, the report was written for parliament - ASIO have to put it in lowest common denominator terms to try to educate the likes of Peter Garrett on some of the nastier realities of life.
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2006 10 18 at 05:05 PM • permalinkincreased tensions within some of Australia’s Middle Eastern communities.
There used to be an Australian community. Thanks to the ceaseless promotion of multiculturalism for several decades, that sense of community is diluted.
The ALP is now determined to show that the nation is divided and vulnerable to attack and coercion based on the Iraq scenario.
Haven’t you guys done enough damage? This is one former ALP voter who is being given repeated aversion-therapy shock treatment by the parliamentary party.
Bagging the government may be the job of the opposition, but you need to do it in such a way that you (i) look rational, and (ii) have a viable alternative position, not just an alternative position.
There goes my bold allowance.Lord, I get tired of these bugs throwing around words like “Crusade”. If the civilized nations decide to drag poor old God into the matter, the world’s stupidest monotheistic religion will know it—since the process will involve ballistic missiles¹ and atom bombs². These insects haven’t yet seen a Crusade.
¹The kind that work.
²See number 1 above.
”...a “crusader” nation…”
Rebecca beat me to the punch, and CB explains why the report is so….simple.
But my initial response to this? Simple:
No shit, Sherlock!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 10 18 at 05:16 PM • permalinkHey, wait a minute! Didn’t your Dr. Ameer Ali say that Australia is a Muslim country? If Australia is a Muslim country, how can it be a “crusader” nation? I’m so confused.
OK, so what was wrong with the crusades, anyway??
The Christians stopped too soon.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 10 18 at 07:37 PM • permalinkASIO’s annual budget 2004-05 = $152.7 million
Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 10 18 at 07:54 PM • permalinkNo 8 Retread “I always knew you Aussies were a clever bunch, being a crusader nation before you were even a nation. “
Turns out, according to the local mufti-culturists Australia was a Muslim nation before it was anything—Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 10 18 at 07:59 PM • permalinkIn a subsequent release ASIO identified the fact that Australia is surrounded by oceans as leading to an increased risk of shark attacks…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 18 at 08:04 PM • permalinkBoy, these guys better hope the ‘crusader nations’ never wake up and realize they’re ‘crusader’ nations and start whupping up on Muslim ass.
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 10 18 at 08:09 PM • permalinkWe cannot stop all attacks, ASIO chief admits
[Url removed as it was too long and broke Our rules. The Management.]
The remarks came as ASIO published its annual report, highlighting threats to national security including potential jihadist attacks, Jemaah Islamiah and divisions in Sydney’s Islamic community over the Iraq war.
Well, if the website had burqa’s instead of daggy brown jumpers it might be more familiar for the terrorists who might think they’re in an Australian muslim country and therefore will not do anything extreme.Yes, yes, I remember learning about the first Australian Crusade back in school . . . year 13-something-or-other (the Crusade, that is, not when I was in school).
We learned how the Aussies hop-scotched across the Indonesian achipelago and lay waste to the Malay penninsula and southeast Asia before conquering all of India.
Then they got to the middle east and found out it was a shithole with no beer . . .
Wisely, they returned to their island paradise.
How the hell we talked them into coming along this time out I’ll never know.
Feeling a bit bi-polar today. Last week I was all ‘jihad this’, ‘jihad that’. Now I wake up and find out I’m a crusader.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 18 at 08:55 PM • permalinkAh, yeah. The 13th century when Australia was a (non-mozzie) multi-culti paradise. Men were nem and wimmen were miwwen, dyslexia was the norm and we embraked on the great cursade.
There was the great singhalese leader Hoodafuk Arhwe, the Tibetan strongman, Noway Idonwannago and the ferocious Hindu motivator, Tearthe Niqaboffer.
Year, those were the days!
Hate to admit it, but I had to google to find out what the acronym ASIO meant.
Fooling around thereafter, I find ASIO is currently hiring, one open position is that of intelligence officer, or as the website describes it: “We’re looking for intelligent people to fill in the blanks”.
Yeah, I’d guess they are!
http://www.asio.gov.au/Employment/IO/io_home.htm
Mike Daley
BTW
#26 so Australia’s version of the CIA get’s less than $160MM a year to do it’s job?
Here in CA, we really know how to spend money, from the governor’s proposed budget (one of hundreds of examples)
• Allocates $244 million ($26 million General Fund) for the state’s share of the ongoing California Bay-Delta Program, an effort to coordinate water management and ecosystem protection in the San Francisco Bay-Delta region1.666: don’t post any more long urls. Make them into a link. Your previous comment demonstrates that you do know how. Have a little consideration for other people reading this site.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 10 18 at 09:37 PM • permalink#34 Australia was founded by the great muslim explorer Isay Wir Thafarqawi.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 18 at 09:41 PM • permalinkBack to Iraq death toll debacle - good analysis of the statistical shortcomings in today’s Opinionjournal:
...the Johns Hopkins team says it used 47 cluster points for their sample of 1,849 interviews. This is astonishing: I wouldn’t survey a junior high school, no less an entire country, using only 47 cluster points…Neither would anyone else.
What happens when you don’t use enough cluster points in a survey? You get crazy results…
When I pointed out these [cluster point anomalies] to Dr Roberts he said that the appendices were written by a student and should be ignored. Which led me to wonder what other sections of the survey should be ignored.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 10 18 at 10:04 PM • permalinkIf this pussy-footing pope had balls instead of being so mealy-mouthed, the Church would be organising a new crusade to smite, rape and plunder the Moslems and convert them to Christianity.
At this time in the world’s history, we need a kick-arse pope, like Innocent III (1198-1216). Innocent established the Inquisition and slaughtered the Catharist heretics, with the order “Kill them all. God will know his own”.He also unleashed the the fourth crusade to re-capture Jerusalem (unfortunately, the crusaders decided Jerusdalem was too far and instead, sacked Constaninople,s an easier and richer target. Mistakes happen).
Let the seething begin.
Shake Al Hillbilly to make a statement about “. . filthy convict remnants will be swept from the face of the earth” etc etc (in Arabic, naturally. He doesn’t speak a lot of English, beyond “Not Guity, Your Worship”)
Keysar Trad will wrap an Aussie flag around himself and will appear on 432 radio stations and 13 TV channels saying that Al Hilbilly was “misquoted”.
Nothing new. Same shit, different day.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 10 18 at 10:22 PM • permalinkWell if they only just figured that out, then I have technically been working for ASIO for 5 years.
Posted by The Best Infidel on 2006 10 18 at 10:33 PM • permalinkThese carpet kissers arew nuts- how can we be simultanously a crusader and a Muslim nation? we must surely be the latter, having been discovered by Muslims? This makes us part of the umma, so why do our kitchen linen haberdashed bretheren hate us so, and want to dissassemble us into our constituent particles?
The Guardian (who else?) reports the Israelis have a fiendish new weapon. I reckon it’s the same one used on ambulances - only now it’s being used on Palestinians:
Injuries point to new Israeli weapons
DOCTORS in Gaza have reported previously unseen injuries from Israeli weapons that cause severe burning and leave deep internal wounds, often resulting in amputations or death…
“Bodies arrived severely fragmented, melted and disfigured,” said Jumaa Saqa’a, a doctor at the Shifa hospital in Gaza City. “We found internal burning of organs, while externally there were minute pieces of shrapnel. When we opened many of the injured people we found dusting on their internal organs.”
Doctors also found that patients who were stabilised after one or two days suddenly died. “The patient dies without any apparent scientific cause,” Dr Saqa’a said.
Here, in The Guardian of Australia - The Age.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 10 18 at 10:52 PM • permalinkI promised myself I’d stop doing this, davo, and I’m more than a little surprised you’d have to ask (unless your question was rhetorical?), but here is a summmary of the primary points of divergence:
did Muhammad designate a successor?
Sunni: no
Shia: yes
who is the true successor of the Prophet?Sunni:Abu Bakr, father of the Prophet’s favoured baby-wife, ‘A’ishah (elected by people of Medina)
Shia:‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, husband of the Prophet’s daughter Fatimah (designated by the Prophet)
qualifications for ruler of Islam?Sunni: tribe of the Prophet (Quraysh); later, any qualified ruler
Shia: family of the Prophetwho leads?
Sunni: imams (human leaders, a loose term I know))
Shia: mujtahids (infallible manifestations of God and perfect interpreters of the Qur’an, who else?)
Is there a “hidden imam”?Sunni: nope
Shia: yup, works through mujtahids (see above) to intepret Qur’an; will return at the end of timeany religious authority other than the Qu’ran?
Sunni: ijma’ (consensus) of the Muslim community (sounds reasonable enough, doesn’t it?)
Shia: infallible imams (there they are again!)practice temporary marriage (I’m not explaining that one)?
Sunni: practiced in the Prophet’s time, but now rejected
Shia: still practicedlying yer ass off (taqqiya)?
Sunni: affirmed under certain circumstances (such as concealing faith for self-protection)
Shia: emphasized, encouraged, you betchaPosted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 18 at 11:01 PM • permalinkTo be fair to ASIO this is their annual report to Parliment and will include a number of boilerplate statements and might, due to the sensitive nature of the work, be constrained to talk blandly and in very general terms.
Having said that, 1.618 is right I think. ASIO, like our other intelligence services, is part of the public service and this effcts both the culture and the type of person it employs. This is ameliorated to some degree by the influence of Defence Forces personnel in some areas, but that influence isn’t all that great. The result is that you don’t necessarily get the most dynamic and talented people working in these organisations (although some of them are very good). This is made worse by at least two other factors:
The first is the emphasis we have now on getting university graduates. This leads to new graduates being employed who are generally callow, still infected with the social and political attitudes of universities, often quite ignorant outside their own narrow area of interest, and lacking in general life experience. And worse, they often have unrealistic views of their own abilities and unreasonable expectations of quick promotion before doing their time in the trenches (where they would learn and develop considerably). This hiring policy is also warped by the usual political correctness seen in the public service - I seem to recall one of the agencies’ websites boasting a while ago about the proportion of new graduates that were women (don’t care; I only care that they are good).
The other factor includes the complications introduced by security vetting. The process takes a lot of time (three months would be amazingly fast - usually six months to a year would be required) and really good people tend to find other employment in that time. Vetting also may act to homogenise the type of person you end up with. I can’t remember his name but someone in the early CIA (when it was a real intelligence agency) warned that vetting risked leading to an organisation where the staff were as individual as bathroom tiles.
A good snapshot into this world, as it was in the early nineties, though I doubt it has changed much, is the introduction to Paul Monk’s book “Thunder From The Silent Zone” (an excellent book on China) where he paints a rather unflattering and disturbing picture of the level of professionalism at DIO (I think it was DIO, one of our assessment agencies - I don’t have the book at hand).
BTW #35, ASIO is internal security, so its not really the equivalent of the CIA. We have another service (ASIS) which carries out HUMINT overseas.
Habib, maybe Oz was a Muslim nation before they were against it.
/J. Kerry
LT(jg) USN (ret)Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 10 19 at 12:23 AM • permalink#45 - good item. is internal security, so its not really the equivalent of the CIA. We have another service (ASIS) which carries out HUMINT overseas.
There are others that keep a low profile, e.g. Defence Signals Directorate, Office of National Assessments, Defence Intelligence Organisation, and Defence Imagery & Geospatial Organisation.
Of all of these DSD is the main player and is part of the Echelon network.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 10 19 at 12:27 AM • permalink#45- I had to deal with spooks from ASIO when I was in the thrall of govt employ, and they were inevitably the most pencil-necked geek I’ve ever had the misfortune to encounter, with a personality bypass. I think they mostly employ analyst/programmer types for their supposed analytical skill, and because they don’t pay much they get the bottom of that fetid barrel. Personally, I wouldn’t trust the buggers with the keys to a rusty EA Falcon, let alone national security. as for the ONA/DSD, I’ve got 2 wordas for you- Andrew Wilkie.
These pillocks make the mincing fruits and commies of MI5 look like the men from UNCLE.
This wrong. Islamists hate us because of John Howard’s workplace reforms, hot weather or cold weather, tsunamis, floods and occasional showers, attacks on state education, teachers’ unions and the ABC, the failure to find WMD and reconise gay marriage, vulgar behaviour on Bali and at Gallipoli, the wheat board, the children over board, porn on the net, Macdonalds, what we do to whales and polar bears, abuse in remote Aboriginal communities, not putting healthy snacks in children’s lunchboxes, the behaviour of rugby teams, Douglas Wood, Alan Jones, Tim Blair and not least Jeanette Howard’s perverse affection for holding hands.
But not necessarily in that order.
#51 Habib, Wilkie (someone who I hold in the deepest contempt [well almost, I admire people like Kim Philby even less]) was from ONA as I recall. This is a bit of different beast to DSD. DSD is one of the collection agencies (and works in close alliance with NSA) and as a result has some objective measure of its performance (targets successfully attacked and the actual amount of product). In fact it probably has the most measurable output of any of the agencies in terms of coverage and value delivered. In contrast ONA and its ilk are collation and assessment agencies. The quality of their output and its coverage of important topics is harder to assess and likely to be far more variable (and I suspect it is far lower).
Australia = Crusader Nation. I think so.
It all started in the 1970’s. With Chrysler.
Who can forget the “Valiant” - as in Prince Vailant perhaps?
Or the “Charger” - as in the noble steed of the Knight Hospitalers/Templars/of Satiago?
Coincidence? I think NOT!
Posted by Apparatchik on 2006 10 19 at 03:21 AM • permalinkMental Floss
thank you for that and i’m sure the ASIO lurkers on this site benefited from that information.
send them a bill!
BTW a really interesting episode in ASIO history concerning the PETROV defection and later Valery Ivanov who sought recruits from within the Australian Labour party.Australian Secret Intelligence Organization—History
William Bemister (who now lives in London) of Walter Rauff/Barbie fame made a film in 85 on the Philby/ Petrov connection
Spytrap: The True Story of Petrov and PhilbyApparatchik - No one can forget The Charger. One of the sweetest Aussie muscle cars ever.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 19 at 03:31 AM • permalinkMore secret Crusader messages contained in Da Chrysler Code ($34.95 at all good [sic] Muslim bookshops):
Anyone considered the phrase “245 Pacer with twin barrel Holley’s”?
2 = Testaments of Christian Bible
4 = Gospels
5 = Two less than the number of hills around Rome
“Pacer” = anagram of crape = Frankinsh Crusader food
“double barrelled” = clearly a reference to some sort of firearm
“Holley” = assonance on Holy?
Coincidence? Not in the world of Fisk, Adams and Trad.
Posted by Apparatchik on 2006 10 19 at 03:32 AM • permalinkAh, Infidel Tiger - I popped my 200kph cherry in a Charger.
My father had a Charger, and I must have been all of 6 when we blew down the freeway from the Crossroads at Liverpool to Campbelltown.
Fastest production car ever made in Australia - just beating the XY GTHO - and I say that as a Ford man.
Pity it wouldn’t corner without about 10 bags of cement in the boot.
All of which leads me to wonder: what is your favourite car producted in Muslim countries? Oh, wait on…
Posted by Apparatchik on 2006 10 19 at 03:39 AM • permalinkWell, there is the… um, aah,camel. Comes with a choice of one hump or two. Gets great mileage and is very accommodating on those long overland trips across the caliphate.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 19 at 03:47 AM • permalinkHang on. I found an Iranian car site. The Paykan
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 19 at 03:51 AM • permalinkHence the Aussie exclaimation of terror: I’m Paykan shite!
Posted by Apparatchik on 2006 10 19 at 03:53 AM • permalinkFrom Wikipedia:
In 1978, Peugeot took over the Rootes company [which produced Paykans] after it collapsed under the ownership of Chrysler Europe
Yet again, Chrysler (= Crusader?) rears its ugly head in anti-Muslim activity.
Coincidence? I think NOT!Posted by Apparatchik on 2006 10 19 at 03:57 AM • permalink#62 Apparatchik
Ah ha. Methinks you have hit a nerve. If Islam is so effing clever how come they invented nothing? In Iran even the mobile cranes from which they hang young females who have been raped, well, they’re a western invention. So are the video cameras they use to record the beheading of hostages. We could be here all day eh?In fact, those pricks couldn’t even invent a ham sandwich…
Come in a bit late to this, but I tend to agree with #45, with the proviso that in my experience there isn’t much difference between the ADF and the civilians in the intelligence community, it’s a sheltered workshop for both groups.
The community also suffers from too many Andrew Wilkies, but which I mean mediochre (or worse) ADF officers forced out of the service at middle management level because of the age retirement rules, who then find themselves a sinecure as civilian analysts in ONA or DIO.
My own experience working with the DIO product in Defence in the eighties was that it was crude to the point of uselessness, much of it cribed from DFAT cables or the nedia. A competent yr 12 student could have done better.
Posted by Consuela Potez on 2006 10 19 at 04:24 AM • permalink#70 I hadn’t known that. When I first heard him I decided he was an idiot and lost all further interest. Was he one of those officers who rose in rank simply due to length of service? Possibly he got forced out of DSD (a sideways promotion). I don’t want to go overboard defending DSD since I think there are some issues there, but in general the standard will be higher than in the other agencies due to the technical focus of the work and the need to operate effectively with NSA, which is, after all, the really serious US intelligence agency.
#17 Bonmot, #48 kae—
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Actually, I wish I were an IT nerd. That way, nerd girls might be interested in me, and I could get some of that hot nerd-girl action. Alas, the nerd chicks always look the other way. Sigh.
I don’t know how it’s done with other OS’es, but in XP I click
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You can find characters easier by using the ‘Group by Subrange’ menu.
“Sunni and Shiite communities in Sydney….
Would someone please illustrate the differences between these two groups in terms of islamic beliefs.”
One is Bigendian and the other LittleEndian. Sunni RoP members say you have to cut Infidel heads from torso, Shite RoP members say you have to cut Infidel torso from heads.
Hmmmm.
Crusaders? When, where and *who* from Australia ever participated in the Crusades?
What? The Knights Down Under? The Holy Order of Vegemite?
Evidently Islam is a concensus of the irrational.
Posted by memomachine on 2006 10 19 at 10:28 AM • permalink#77,
Aussie Crusaders? You’ve heard of the Knights Templar? Meet the Knights Bogan.Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 10 19 at 10:36 PM • permalink
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Exactly. The West needs to realize that being infidel Christian states - as seen by the Islamists - is why Islamists oppose them.
Islamists want to take over Andalucia in Spain - and whether Spain participates in the Iraq War or not is irrelevant.