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Q. Why are Islamic youths burning French cars?
A. To punish them for dancing!
I’d like to see them pull that shit in Texas or Florida.
Posted by starboardside on 2005 11 02 at 12:57 PM • permalink“Why are Islamic youths burning French cars?”
I dunno. Because they idle rough at stop
lights? Because they don’t blow up when you want them to? Maybe the little scamps are playing “the siege of Constantinople”. Did Mohammed ok the burning of cars belonging to crusaders? And while we’re asking questions, if Mohammed had a son, would he be named Mo Better Hammed?I’ve got a POS 92 Peugeot wagon that I’m willing to pay an enraged French Islamic Youth 20 bucks to burn in effigy. No, not really, I can’t do without it. Dang, I hate the fact that I own that car, but come on! It’s a diesel and gets about 5000 miles per gallon! What do you want from me?! *sobbing in shame*
Typical French. That’s what happens when the warranty expires.
Posted by Gary from Jersey on 2005 11 02 at 02:38 PM • permalinkWhen I was a kid we had a Renault that did not dance. In fact, it was all it could do to move. What a piece of krep.
Posted by Monroe Doctrine on 2005 11 02 at 03:19 PM • permalink#4 Aww Texas Bob don’t cry that’s just so… so un-Texan.
I own a Peugeot 206 and love it. It too had a very striking TVC - remember the elephant car?
Highway cruising gets about 650km to a tiny tank.
—NoraHandles great one you’ve got her wound up but is the mother all slugs off the mark.
The Pug, not Nora.
—Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 11 02 at 04:29 PM • permalinkI’ve never forgotten this thoughtful essay on France’s problem. It’s from 2002 but it’s still insightful.
Barbarians at the Gates of Paris
Posted by wronwright on 2005 11 02 at 07:48 PM • permalinkIt is so easy to offend with car adds. Dancing cars would have to offend the taliban types. Those small cars marketed as a snazzy means to freedom and independence for frivolous young women would also have to offend the taliban types.
Then there is the tasteless sardonic viral adds like this one for the VW Polo.
in today’s Australian
Clerics still preaching hatred of West
Richard Kerbaj
November 03, 2005
MUSLIM clerics in Sydney and Melbourne - led by radicals Sheik Mohammed Omran and Sheik Abdul Salam Mohammed Zoud - are still preaching hatred against the West, urging followers in Arabic to resist peace and support insurgents waging war against Australian soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.why can’t these people be tossed out of Australia?
And they wonder why Aussies are concerned about them!
When confronted they say they were ‘misconstrued’. Takkiya (sp)
After Mr Howard singled out Sheik Omran earlier this year for not doing enough to denounce terrorism, the cleric wrote to The Australian: “We consider ourselves Australians working for the betterment of Australia. Those of us who came from other countries appreciate how the people of this country have accepted us with open arms.
“Islam teaches us to appreciate kindness, and we wouldn’t do anything to betray this gesture.”
Lie like a pig in mud seems appropriate. My arms are rapidly closing!
There’ll be riots in Nindigully, you mark my words! And they’ll be rioting for very good reason!
Surely if the chaos was caused by choreography, it would have been Baptist youth running amok; seeing as they were mainly burning cars, may it have been down to rowdy Amish?
(This ends the ABC/SBS rationalised apologist version of events- back to normal broadcasting now).# 14 Clerics still preaching hatred of West
Nice to know Melbourne and Sydney mosques have well-meaning Muslims willing to report this inflammatory nonsense. Exposing these hate messages will discredit exremists and back up the new terror laws.
Posted by walterplinge on 2005 11 02 at 09:59 PM • permalink#19 the Pakistani (?) gang rapists (whose father needs flogging, too), need to be packed up, with the whole family, and sent back to where they came from. The father defended their actions. His identity was published in a local newspaper and his rooms (he is a GP) were boycotted and protesters were outside his rooms.
The sister is particularly frightening - she defended the brothers saying that these girls asked for it. Along the lines of “all western women/girls ask for this, look at how they dress and behave”.
#20 What, so those thugs (the ones who committed the attacks) get out of jail free? Let them loose on the poor citizenry of Pakistan? No way. Keep the rapists behind bars, here in Oz, till they’ve served every last hour of their sentence.
Posted by Lionel Mandrake on 2005 11 02 at 11:52 PM • permalinkFirstly the little morons grew up in Pakistan without their father. They defended themselves by saying it was a “cultural” thing (the Gals at home would be safe). And their sentences are getting shorter, the ringleader was given 55 years to start with, but I understand it has been shortened
more info in newspaper captures in this blog do a search in there for Bilal Skaf (Australian- born Lebanese-Muslim),and then the next entry is about the Pakistani gang rapists.
Pakistanti-born rapists these are not Bilal Skaf, but others.
oops, got my stuff mixed up in #23
Bilal Skaf got 55 years, but it’s been reduced.
Not sure about the Pakistani gang’s sentence - can’t find what happened in the end, but they wanted to defend themselves in court and question their victims, but were not allowed. They appealed and I think it’s been through the courts twice.
yes i remember how Janet Albrechtson got pilloried by the ABC for daring to suggest that this was in fact an act of Islamic terrorism and pointing out that it had muslim gang rapes had frequently occured in France where it is referred to as the “tournante”.
Frankly i do not believe these scum would have raped in Pakistan or any other muslim country.
Otherwise why did they not pick on local Pakistani muslim girls in their own area?
They raped these girls out of hate for Australia and the Infidel. The belief that Australian kafir girls have no rights under Islam and can they are whores with which they can do whatever they wish.
You can thank the Mullahs for those beliefs.
I was sick at the attitude of much of the liberal press in this case, who showed little sympathy to the victims who had to relive their ordeals so many times to bring these scum to justice.
Cars like Australian girls are easy prey to these people as they cannot fight back.
But when they do come accross those who defend and fight back, then they are quick to turn and run to the leftist press and complain about harrasment and racism.
And the press lap it up avery time!Okay, this will reveal me for the dork I am, but I’m pretty sure that is the same dance sequence performed by John Travolta during the climactic dance contest scene in Saturday Night Fever. If something must pay for that offensive bit of choreography, why not set Travolta’s white polyester suit and platform heals alight. Why must something useful like a car pay the price.
Posted by lil varmint on 2005 11 03 at 01:45 AM • permalinkLittle wonder they and their family were astounded by the sentences received and the loathing with which their actions and subsequent attitudes were viewed by the vast majority of Australians- it seems such depravity is in fact an acceptable method or redressing insult in places enlightened by the Prophet, such as Pakistan.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the BBC website have been covering the riots for some days now. Not once has the Word Muslim been mentioned. reading the BBC one is left with a question . Who the the hell is rioting here?
Another 180 cars burnt last night according to Jihad watch .
Will Chirac call in the UN to help with the car burnings?
SO much for the illustrious french culture which has frenchified refugees from Vietnam, russia, poland, christian lebanese. Jews etc over the last two generations.
Once again we see that it is impossible to integrate Muslims into any western society.
They too have bred second generation suicide bombers just like the UKWhy Australian youth riot - Pub With No Beer
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2005 11 03 at 02:12 AM • permalinkOT, Senator Santoro (who has been pursuing ABC bias in senate estimates hearings lately) has a poll on his website about ABC bias that could benefit from some input:
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 11 03 at 02:24 AM • permalink“A lot of folks are still demanding more evidence before they actually consider Iraq a threat. For example, France wants more evidence. And you know I’m thinking, the last time France wanted more evidence they rolled right through Paris with the German flag.” —David Letterman
“I don’t know why people are surprised that France won’t help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn’t help us get the Germans out of France.” —Jay Leno
“Did you see the new bomb the government came up with? It weights 21,000 pounds. The Air Force tested this bomb in Florida and the bomb blast was so strong at Disneyworld 25 French tourists surrendered.” —Jay Leno
“Broadway producers are saying that because of the war, musicals are suffering from weak ticket sales. Not only that, over at ‘Les Miserables,’ the French are refusing to take part in the revolution.” —Conan O’Brien
“There was another war-related casualty today. The French were injured when they tried to jump on our bandwagon.” —Jay Leno
“A lot of Americans right now are angry at the French. In Washington, the cafeteria where the members of Congress eat announced that they have changed the name of ‘french fries’ to ‘freedom fries.’ Nothing like this has happened since the 1950s when ‘russian dressing’ changed to ‘commie sauce.’” —Conan O’Brien
“In protest of France’s opposition to a U.S. war on Iraq, the U.S. Congress’ cafeteria has changed french fries and french toast to ‘freedom fries’ and ‘freedom toast.’ Afterwards, the congressmen were so pleased with themselves, they all started freedom kissing each other. In a related story, in France, American cheese is now referred to as ‘idiot cheese.’” —Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live’s “Weekend Update”
“Army personnel in Kuwait unloaded a dozen faulty tanks that only go in reverse. Tanks that only go in reverse — they’ve been repackaged and sold to France.” —Craig Kilborn
“I would call the French scumbags, but that, of course, would be a disservice to bags filled with scum. I say we invade Iraq, then invade Chirac.” —Dennis Miller (Click for more of Dennis Miller’s rant)
“The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq.” —Dennis Miller
“As you know our Allies of Evil are not being helpful with this Iraqi situation. With all due respect I think President Bush is handling this situation all wrong What Bush should do is send someone the French really respect, like Jerry Lewis.” —Jay Leno
“You know why the French don’t want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He is French, people.” —Conan O’Brien
“Well, it looks like we’ve moved a step closer to war. Not with Iraq. With France and Germany. How did we screw that one up?” —Jay Leno
“President Bush and National Security Guard Tom Ridge launched the new Department of Homeland Security, just 24 hours after taking us down to threat level French — I’m sorry, I mean threat level yellow.” —Craig Kilborn
“President Bush has called for the end of the marriage tax calling marriage a ‘sacred institution recognized by God and man.’ Wow, this guy can’t stop slamming the French.” —Craig Kilborn
“According to the Pentagon today, secret surrender negotiations are now underway with key Iraqi military officials. That’s what the Pentagon said: We’re in secret negotiations, so for God sakes, don’t tell anyone. ... What we’re doing basically is giving these key Iraqi military officials instructions on how to surrender. See, this is where we could have used the French.” —Jay Leno
(hat tip: MARS Trucker)
Lord, how I wish I had a time machine, and could sent Jonny back 198 years and leave him standing (dressed as a Russian soldier) in front of a regiment of Imperial French cuirassiers as they began a charge.
Posted by Lionel Mandrake on 2005 11 03 at 03:33 AM • permalinkAll the posters who have witnessed the ABC bleating over the new terrorism laws (including the grey faced bob brown from tassie should consider that if an attack does occur in the next few days, a few of the comments mught actually be considered to be seditious.
Which brings me to the status of terrorism itself.
if we are attacked by a Japanese bomber plane and the pilot is captured, is he judged according to cicvil law?
But terrorist attacks on Australia are nothing less than acts of war against the nation. So why the hell do we consider them to be part of civil law, like murder or rape.
They should be acknowledged as acts of war and tried under the laws of war in military courts.Terrorists don’t worry me as much as those union extremists, maybe we should use the preventative detention part of the new counter-terrorism laws to keep people like Greg Combi locked up under house arrest. Maybe when the CFEMU officials over here in Perth are planning the next big strike we could have then locked up for a fortnight.
#29 Davo - being stuck in Vietnam for several months, I frequenly have no option but to get my news from the BBC while I continue working. THey have not once used the word “moslem”. It was 3 days before they even mentioned “immigrants”. Totally dishonest reporting.
One reporter even went do far as to state that the 2 “teenagers” who died “believed they were being chased by police”.
jlchydro
THe BBC is much much more biased than the Australian ABC. programs like the quasi communist lateline are actually mild compared to the stuff that comes out of various BBC current affairs programs.
Remember just before the Bali attrocity, SBS was due to screen a movie called i think, “the power of nightmares” a piece of BBC sponsored propaganda, which claimed that terrorism was a figment of our imagination, drawing on primevial fears and ruthlessly exploited by the “Conservative right”.
Of course they pulled it, otherwise there would have been a riot.
Then there was the half million of aussi taxpayer’s money spent on lovely aussie kid David hicks to comvince us this piece of shit who would have happilly killed Aussie soldiers was a good old home town boy.
What i believe is happening is that the more Islamic attrocities are committed, the more radical the left becomes to hold on to their twisted views.
But of course more and more leftists are leaving the fold, disgusted at what it is becoming. The highly intelligent Chris Hutchens , who nailed Galloway, is an example.
Hoping he takes on Pilger, Monbiot and fisk next.O/T A swift visit to the Kos revealed no topics that didn’t attack President Bush or members of his staff or Republicans in general. Is there nothing GOOD to say about his beloved lefties? Also, his music sucks, unless your into outlandishly simplistic melodies that make the Spice Girls seem more like Motzart. He should stick to what he knows best…. whatever that might be.
What Citroen needs to make is a car like that turns into an armed mech that mow down a few of those rioting idiots.
Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2005 11 03 at 11:38 AM • permalinkA Year of Living Dangerously
FRANCIS FUKUYAMA
Wednesday, November 2“..Integration is further inhibited by the fact that rigid European labor laws have made low-skill jobs hard to find for recent immigrants or their children. A significant proportion of immigrants are on welfare, meaning that they do not have the dignity of contributing through their labor to the surrounding society. They and their children understand themselves as outsiders.”
Has interesting parallels with the debate over the new IR laws I would say.
Ditto from wronwright’s link (#12)....
“...Though most people in France have never visited a cité, they dimly know that long-term unemployment among the young is so rife there that it is the normal state of being. Indeed, French youth unemployment is among the highest in Europe—and higher the further you descend the social scale, largely because high minimum wages, payroll taxes, and labor protection laws make employers loath to hire those whom they cannot easily fire, and whom they must pay beyond what their skills are worth.”
I have commented here on more than one occassion my esteem for John Howard. If we could get his accent in proper Texan he would be my pick for Pres here in 2008. Check out this glowing Wall Street Journal editorial:
Common Sense in Canberra
Key quote: “Australia has a long and proud history of fighting tyranny. The country has sacrificed its citizens in every major conflict over the last century—and always in the defense of freedom. If it’s attacked on its own soil, it won’t be for lack of preparation. Terrorists, take note.”The article also gives equal time to the lefties that would leave Australia vulnerable.
Now, about that Texas twang…...
Posted by Kathy from Austin on 2005 11 03 at 12:50 PM • permalink38 Lionel
Lord, how I wish I had a time machine, and could sent Jonny back 198 years and leave him standing (dressed as a Russian soldier) in front of a regiment of Imperial French cuirassiers as they began a charge.
For half the price, you could send him to Verdun.
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2005 11 03 at 12:58 PM • permalinkHas interesting parallels with the debate over the new IR laws I would say.
Yet again we have excuses being made for rotten behaviour and sloth; I suppose the MacQuarie Fields ruck was because of the deprivation of the denizens, despite the fact that all the ones sighted were wearing expensive American basketball gear, Nike shoes and most seemed to have a car, TV and Playstation and a subsidised roof over their heads- not exactly living in a cardboard lean-too and dining on whatever wildlife can be located nearby as many people in the third world do, without the rioting.
It has everything to do with lazy spoilt dickheads who’ve been coddled by the state their entire lives and imbued with a sense of oppression and entitlement by idiot commie teachers, social workers and activists.
A severe dose of reality would soon curtail this twaddle.55 - Totally agree. The shifting of blame, accountability, and responsibility is a hallmark of the left. A terrorist who attacks our society is not at fault, it’s our fault for making him angry in the first place. The Redfern and Macquarie Fields riots weren’t the fault of the rioters, the cops and government were responsible.
An unemployed slob is never responsible for his plight - it’s the nasty government and greedy capitalists who have widened the gap between rich and poor.Posted by HisHineness on 2005 11 03 at 07:43 PM • permalink#55
I agree with Habib on the causes of the Macquarie Fields riots, and other riots, usually by undisciplined, ungrateful youths.Give them everything and there’s no appreciation for what they are given; it’s all owed to them by everyone else. No respect for property, theirs or others’*. What can be done about it, now that the rot has set in?
*I hope I have the apostrophe placement correct here, I am an apostrophe pedant.
A friend’s 25 year old son complained to me that he was unemployed, he didn’t get along with the boss and things blew up (not sure if it was the bottle-o job or the Target retail job), and, by way of explanation, he said “I didn’t want to do that job for the rest of my life.”
Huh? Well, the easiest position to get a new job from is anther job; and, a lot of people don’t actually like their jobs, they work to live. (Welcome to the real world!)And thanks for keeping me amused, Habib, your posts are deep and witty (or is that weep and ditty?)
This situation provides a good argument in favour of “zero tolerance” - because if things are left to slowly fester and decline, as thet have, then the state will end up having to take tough measures anyway, which are possibly more draconian than a consistent but measured effort.
Posted by closeapproximation on 2005 11 03 at 07:50 PM • permalinkI forget what book it was but it appears the “blame thrower” is in full operation.
“I cant get a job because im a surly, shiftless, untrustworthy prick”. If you act, dress and talk like the scum of society odds are you wont get past that first impression.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 11 03 at 08:07 PM • permalink#45
DavoWhat i believe is happening is that the more Islamic attrocities are committed, the more radical the left becomes to hold on to their twisted views.
This astute observation is right in line with much of what is discussed in Eric Hoffer’s “The True Believer : Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements.” Mass movements, religious or secular, follow many of the same steps. It is true that the more awful the crimes commited by a movement the more staunchly it is defended by not only its members but by ancillary groups as well. In this case the left has committed itself, unwisely, to the cause of an ultra-reactionary fundamentalist religion worthy of the name fascism. Why this is so, I do not know. But these people can be relied upon to defend them to the end. This has happened many times before. To his dying day Pablo Picasso defended Stalin. Gabriel Garcia Marquez is Fidel Castro’s slavishly attached lap dog. These leftists completely abandon all humanitarian impulses and hail the slaughterers.
Also, as you say, there are leftists who have understood and become disgusted with their fellows on the left, but it usually costs them big. Hitchens is one of the few leftists who actually gets it. Because of this he is persona non-grata with the left, and true to form, they now say they always knew he was like this. They don’t want to be caught with their pants down, so they dig up anything they can find that would indicate that Hitchens was always a bit reactionary. It’s exactly like 1984. Chilling. They are trying to turn Hitchens into a non-person but only in their own dank minds. He is now cautiously celebrated by conservatives which doesn’t necessarily thrill him, but it doesn’t hinder him either.
Today’s Australian, page 13 in Features…
Had to laugh this morning listening to a Muslim rep from Brisbane on ABC local radio talking about Ramadan, and how the fasting is for discipline - ha! Women can’t even show their ankles and hair or the rabid undisciplined men will ravish them as they cannot control themselves. Discipline. Ha!
There was a lot to be ridiculed in that interview. Did any of my fellow Brisbane bloggers hear it?
....After reading the book Daughter of Persia I always thought we, the west, would be safe from Islamic religious nuttiness, as they just cannot get their shit together - still being tribal and hating eachother more than they hate the west, but I think the times are changing…
Fortunately they’ll always be a rabble due to a combination of atavism and tribalism; let’s face it, if we were serious we could eliminate Islam from the planet in a few weeks (large tactical nuclear strikes, mopping up in Western urban areas) but the buggers don’t represent a big enough threat (yet) to go medieval on them.
Pussyfooting around and the pathetic PC pandering which continues in the West is entirely the wrong way to act as well- when dealing with primitives, reason and vascillation aren’t the most effective tools.
Social worker:-“Say Ogg, why don’t you put down that mastodon bone and we’ll discuss your grievances and wants, and see if they can be accomodated in the current paradigm”.
Ogg:- “Grunt, ugh…munch munch” (sound effects result from Ogg scooping out the rich gooey contents from inside the head of the now unfortunately ex-social worker and feasting on the atrophied mess).
It needs to be made crystal clear that western values will be respected by residents, and enforced; any attempt to bring acceptance of anti-western values will result in the removal of citizenship/residence and deportation to a society that harbours such ugly attitudes and beliefs.
Shutting down the welfare state in Western nations would probably have the desired effect in any case, without the need for forced removals.All people want a fair shake. They want the same food, the same clothes, and the same jobs, and the ability to live in the same neighborhoods as anyone else.
If the French want to bring closure to these protests, how about opening up their homes and allowing the Muslims—er, hooligans who happen to be Muslim live with them? How about bringing new housing projects to the best areas of Paris? How about opening up Versailles and Fountainbleu to mutiple Algerian families?
If the French protest, call them arrogant and inhuman.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 11 03 at 10:15 PM • permalinkThey’re ISLAMIC youth are they???
You’d never know that watching/listening to the ABC.Can you imagine if these riots were happening in the U.S., how much ABC coverage they’d get?
A la the 1992 L.A. riots? Simkins and Colgin would be besides themselves with hand-wringing leftie cliches and predictable rhetoric blaming it all on the war in Iraq.#60, ekw, it reminds me of the lefts pet causes despite divergent and incompatable realities.
People like Marr who are all about both gay and muslim rights, those who champion ‘Aboriginal’ tribal life and feminism at the same time, those of the left who lionise people like Hicks, D though are the first to write a letter to the SMH blaming the Government for not doing ‘something’, or rather, knowing but not doing, after a terrorist event.
In Paris, we have a similar leftist conumdrum. Poor refugees are not encouraged as they cant find jobs and end up living in firetraps. When a fire occurs, it is suddenly the ‘responsibility’ of the French Government to provide decent accomodation. Leftism means that its only ever people like Bush who as individuals, are responsible for anything.
Frog, I get what you’re trying to say, but it doesn’t bear out logically in this instance. The coalition in Iraq does not march under the banner of Christianity. And neither do the children who are burning up everything in sight march under any star and crescent. However, while the coalition soldiers are an organized army from various nations and religious or non-religious views fighting in uniform, the rampaging children happen to come overwhelmingly from areas where the population is predominantly North Africa and Muslim and wear only the uniform of youthful conformism. By being from a certain, rather sharply circumscribed area, we know who lives there and what religion the preponderance of these people practice. It so happens that much of the wanton destruction and killing (aka, terrorism) being done right now on the planet is being done by young Muslim males. It’s not hard to draw an accurate conclusion: these young Muslim males are dangerous, and given another year or two may turn into full-fledged jihadis, if they aren’t already.
I know you are desperate to deny what is happening to your own country, and I sympathize with you. No one wants to admit that there is the distinct possibility that they will be overrun and destroyed by the enemy within. But simply trying to semantically alter reality won’t change it. You are trying hard to remain neutral, but the way I see it, there is no neutrality in this war. The Muslims are not tolerant of neutrals any more than they are tolerant of apostates, Westerners of all stripes (particularly the decadent, sexually promiscuous French), Christians, Jews, polytheists, atheists, agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists and every other religion or secular ideology that does not recognize Mohammed as the last true prophet of Allah (pbhn).
Oh, yes, this will all settle down. The various religious councils will all get together and begin a low drone, a reproachful murmur complete with a proper wringing of hands and shaking of heads; they will uniformily condemn the violence, they will call for billions of euros to be poured into the cites - most of which will flow into very few pockets, mainly those of the councils themselves who will then disburse large amounts of this to the imams. New mosques and madrassas will be built and new recruits will come to France to study jihad. What will stop this? Giving them more welfare? Bigger apartments? What? They detest France and everything France is: the standard-bearer of advanced, secular, European culture. Do you know how much they despise that? How much they despise me? How much they despise you?
BTW, I am not sure what the point is in saying that calling them ragheads would make me feel manly. What does that even mean? And chanting mantras sarcastically about being with and against? What is that about?
#67, Nic
These contradictory positions do not seem to hinder, in any way, the left’s ability to exist. As you say, they hold opposite viewpoints as easily as some of us hold a telephone to our ear. They think nothing of the fact that gay rights and Muslim rights are mutually incompatible.
Someday, I would like to ask a lefty at ABC, where is the place you are most likely to find a Palestinian gay? When the ABC trollop couldn’t answer the question, I would brightly chime in: “Six feet under or in Tel Aviv.”
If it was a white supremacist dominated area, rioting and having no go zones inside Paris does anyone think for a minute any of this hand wringing would be going on??
Do you think they would be described as troubled youths?
It walks like a duck, quacks like a duck….Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 11 03 at 11:49 PM • permalinkdavo, terrorists cant be tried under military law because their not part of an official military organisation from a country.
also they dont wear a military uniform.
they are a criminal organisation performing criminal acts.
No, terrorists are combatants who violate the laws of war with intention and by design. That removes them from both criminal courts and military courts; under the Geneva Conventions they can be shot upon capture and are not entitled to any of the protections or benefits of POW status.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2005 11 03 at 11:56 PM • permalinkRob
I believe it was Clinton who finnessed the WTC 1993 attack into an act of criminality rether than an act of international terrorism.
it seems to me that wuth the rise of fame seeking activist lawyers (we have seen this over the Hicks case in Australia), it is unwise to allow such cases through the criminal justice System.
Apart from the sensitive intelligence risks, our laws are based on the premise that it is better to allow ten criminals to go free than to convict an innocent party.
when it comes to the safety of Australians from mayhem and murder, we need a different system to deal with it.One can always find, especially if one is adept at leftist media spin, any number of reasons to justify acts of violence by “minority” groups.
And even when these “reasons” are addressed and corrected they are merely a band aid solution.
mere signs of cowardice and weakness from the infidel to be exploited to make further demands.
because only the transfomation from “dar al Harb” to “dar al Islam” will suffice.
France should now realise that all those unintegrated immigrants, many of whom have hardly even learnt to read or write or even speak the French language are after several generations have only contempt and hatred for them and the proud democratic principles adopted by the American constitution , through the work of Jefferson.
Boumedienne the Algerian president stated at eh UN back in the early 70s i believe that Islam would achieve through the wombs of women what generations of Mahdi warriors had failed to accomplish.
No one but the odious extreme rightists bothered to listen and there you have it today.
Did the french with their monumental civilisation arrogantly believe that what had happened in India and other third world countries over centuries would never happen in France?
because of the extreme right of Jean Marie Le Pen anyone expressing these fears was branded a xenophobe or racist in the fashionable intellectual circles of Parisian life.
And yet the French with their love of books and infinite number of fascinating bookshops could surely have taken in a little Islamic history to wake up.
And is it not ironic to ponder that the liberalism that was born in France out of the guilt of its treatment of Jews under the Nazi occupation and France’s imperialist excesses should have led to the “new multiculturalism” and the importing of South mediterranean Islamic cultures.#75 ...because of the extreme right of Jean Marie Le Pen anyone expressing these fears was branded a xenophobe or racist in the fashionable intellectual circles of Parisian life.
This is exactly what happened in the U.S. with McCarthy. He made anti-communism gauche.
...with their love of books and infinite number of fascinating bookshops could surely have taken in a little Islamic history…
It’s astonishing to me how few people, French and otherwise, know any Islamic history. They don’t know that Islam’s commitment to bringing dar al Harb to dar al Islam includes not just conversion but execution, mass murder, whatever it takes to make that happen. When these facts are mentioned to them they refuse to hear it, and might even see you as they see le Pen. All because they don’t want their version of the world to suffer, only its people.
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