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Macquarie Fields martyr Jesse Kelly has bravely wept through his first court appearance after heroically stealing a car and then running fearlessly away following the death of two friends. Er, allegedly. The Daily Telegraph reports:
Kelly could not hide his desperation upon entering the room, craning his neck to see his family and friends, who stood at the back and yelled impassioned messages of support.
“Love you Jesse,” his grandmother said.
Another woman called out:“We’re all with you Jess.”
[Kelly] broke down when he saw his 2 1/2 year-old daughter Sacha only metres away from him. Tears started to flow as he tried to speak to his child, telling her he loved her.
He said: “See you in a couple of days, all right?”
Ha! Not likely, sunshine. Many are still inclined to blame the police ... and they should be blamed, at least for this:
Mr Greeks, who witnessed the fatal crash in Macquarie Fields a fortnight ago in which two youths died, was allegedly bashed two nights later by a gang of 10 males, including the driver of the stolen car, Jesse Kelly. Police notified of the assault were ordered not to attend the scene.
Great work, Chief Wiggum.
I can understand the blaming of the police in this situation (though I don’t agree with it). I think that emphasis needs to be given to preventing this situation again - like it or not, people don’t riot in Mosman when a police chase results in a fatality, as well as bringing the rioters to justice. But the “community support” for the twat who perhaps (being legal there) caused the death of others is beyond me.
Disgusting.
Throw him in gaol with a couple of bald, muscle bound perverts called Mary and Sharon.
Posted by Dog of War on 2005 03 10 at 11:43 PM • permalinkPah, this cult of creating hero’s out of criminals annoys the hell out of me. Remember when Osama became the poster boy for the left? ‘We need to understand why he did it, the poor man”, Moore and his acolytes are to blame for this as well.
In the example of Kelly, we have seen the ‘hard man on the run from the cops, supported by his family, fleeing injustice’ What next? The media christening him ‘Ned’, a series of paintings commissioned? another cult of the innocent, created next to Saints David and Mamdouh of the blessed Madrassa ?
Australia needs to ‘get real’ about a lot of things.
No doubt this guy will be Margo’s hero of the week or perhaps Ramsey could write some brilliant piece about how it’s all John Howards fault and if the stupid fucking electorate had got it right this would never have happened.
Posted by Karl Fidel Adams-Kingston on 2005 03 10 at 11:59 PM • permalinkTex has a good fisking of a story from Green Left Weekly that makes this idiot out to be a hero.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2005 03 10 at 11:59 PM • permalinkSorry folks, left out the link!
Grand Theft AutoWhy does it happen?
It doesn’t happen in Mosman does it?
Pah and fie.
Weren’t the beach rioters in Sydney some time ago from an exclusive Northern Suburbs private school? Nope, not in Mosman, they export it.Why does it happen? At Macquarie Fields it’s the parents’ (or parent’s!) lack of discipline and respect for authority. These kids have been taught disrespect of police and other authority figures - and I suppose that’s because the parents’ (parent’s) blame everyone else for all ills that become them (including being on a low income and living in a public housing area).
I could chuck in my job and bludge, whining because I don’t have anything, but that’s not what I’ve been taught; and I’d bloody die on welfare ‘cos I don’t know the system and can’t work it!
Yeah, sure, there are definitely people who try bloody hard to get work and can’t, or who are on low incomes, the majority of whom do not blame every one else for their life situation, or riot in the street.
They had respect for the community and they understood the harsh predicament the community was in. For example, they looked after young kids who couldn’t get social security, protected them from police harassment and helped a bit around the neighbourhood.
Even the proceeds of their petty crimes were shared around. None of them lived the high-life.
Many young people here don’t see it as morally wrong to steal from those who have more than them in order to survive. They simply have no real alternative.
Some steal cars simply to get around because there is no public transport after 8pm and very limited services on Sundays.
They simply have no real alternative. Now I have heard everything. Defence of the indefensible!
God spare us from this crap. I agree with Tex - run over the f*ker!
So much parental lack of input in their upbringing is part of the “the world owes me a living” crutch. As it seems that many of the ‘kids’ were living in a shared house, where the hell were their parents? Sure, there will be probably be parents who are mortified by this behaviour who have kids involved, but there will always be the ones who simply don’t care; don’t bother or think exactly the same way as these sociopaths.
The cheese and kisses is a bit of alright as well, such lovely manners. I wonder if the kiddie has twocked its first Radio Flyer yet? Certainly the female members of the extended Kelly tribe are a glowing recommendation for the services of public hospital dentistry.
Flute and Kae,
its also an inability to see cause and effect. The same lefties on the SMH ‘your say’ site bemoaning the (agreed) high rates of taxation, are also the same wanting more social security and boundless immmigration.
In our modern times, its never an individuals conscious decision that is a ‘cause’ but that of ‘society’ or ‘government’ or ‘corporations’. The hue and cry against Mc Donalds is a perfect example.
yeah, Nic, ‘they’ should spend more on
Education
Health
Defence
Roads
etcetera ad nauseumbut there is no realisation that to spend more you have to cut spening on something elsewhere.
Although a $10b surplus sure looks like there’s profit to be made in government!
Rioters out in Sydney’s west are idiots who have nothing and blame everyone but themselves, and conseqently have no respect for others or property. Rioters in more affluent areas are the idiots who have been given everything and consequently have no respect for others and their property. I see a common thread here….
Where I live there are louts who roam the street at night (particularly on a Friday night) and take great delight in knocking down letterboxes, road signs, guide posts, and vandalising the school bus stop shelters (which the school kids seemed to do for a while - little turds). I reckon their parents would be extremely angry knowing that as ratepayers they have to pay twice, thrice or more for repairs and replacement of these things. The kids KNOW that the wallopers (police) finish at the local police station at about 3am when the shift from Toowoomba (60km away) then take over to handle any calls or call outs - and the kids are long gone by the time police arrive. The kids have been caught once or twice and they had to do community service, and you know, the local police knew exactly who the culprits were, they just couldn’t catch them in the act.
Saturday morning in town was always interesting, to see which members of the ‘protected species’ (aboriginal kids) may have been caught and what they had vandalised - broken shop windows were a favourite. This seems to have stopped in the past few years.
These kids live in a small country town, and I guess they are ‘bored’ and need something to do. There is abundant bushland around, there’s plenty to do. The local council opened a youth drop-in centre, offering kids somewhere to go and get together, and do ‘stuff’, but was forced to close it down when kids were misbehaving and vandalising the premesis. I think they had trouble getting people to ‘man’ the place too. (‘man’ - Not PC, I know, but PC is crap!)Don’t know if you know the North Shore much, Flute, but you do get problems there; there still exist undisciplined brats with too much time and booze. It’s just that it doesn’t happen very often and is on a much smaller scale. Is it because their parents are employed and have more respect for law and society and have passed down this ethos? Maybe, but there are also people living in government housing who don’t have jobs and have well-behaved kids who go on to have greater success than their parents. What’s the big difference? They play the same video consoles, watch the same TV, swim in the same surf, have the same books and newspapers available to them, even have similar cars (no, North Shore kids don’t all drive Porsches). I’d say part of the problem is indiscriminately throwing together “poor” people and treating them all the same. When they are clearly not.
This is a typical example of what I’ve seen: a brand new, well built housing development near the beach. Townhouses that would be over half a mil on the private market. 12 months after opening I observe two neighbours: one, an elderly tenant, has a beautiful garden and the house is in impeccable order. Next door is a younger couple and the house is trashed, garden is dust, the parents (or whatever) can be heard inside screaming at each other and their infant kids - filthy - are wondering around on the road in the middle of winter with no shoes. Both these neighbours have equal rights in terms of housing.
But discrimination is anathema to the welfare scene, so it falls to the lowest common denominator. Only the really strong escape.
i like this bit - would love to see the multicultural industry deconstruct it
“Kelly’s maternal grandfather, Peter Perkins, spoke to The Australian at his home yesterday, revealing that his daughter Donna became pregnant with Jesse as a teenager.
Mr Perkins said that 20 years ago, Donna had had a relationship with a man from Sydney’s Arabic community. She fell pregnant with Jesse, but the father - whose identity remains unknown - halted the romance because his family disapproved of racial inter-marriage.
“Jesse’s father ... will support his son,” Mr Perkins said. “He is a successful businessman. He is going to pay for his court costs.””
I have a suspicion that the ne’er-do-wells of Maquarie Fields feel that nothing they do is of any consequence, so they are free to act up as much as they please.
Take the example of resident Carol Luke, who named her son Luke. That is, Luke Luke. It probably seemed cute at the time. People in the higher eschelons realise that your name is your passport, and that if you are called John or Adam or Mary, people will take you more seriously than if your name is Luke Luke or Bryarna or Typhphynny or whatever. It’s only a tiny little matter, but it’s indicative of the wider mindset in these places. They do whatever they feel like because they don’t believe their actions will make their lives any better or any worse.
Just a thought.
Posted by blandwagon on 2005 03 11 at 01:55 AM • permalinkNSW Green MP’s Silvia Hale and Lee Rhiannon visited the Kelly family earlier this week to find out what was wrong and why society was picking on them. ABC Radio’s John Morrison interviewed Hale on Thursday arvo and she spouted the usual drivel, basically the system in general and police specifically were to blame. Morrison did well actually, rebutting Hale’s bullshit quite well. Unusual for the ABC but John Morrison he is a bit more fair dinkum than most. By the way, what planet does Silvia Hale live on?
kk - multicultural industry, oh GOD yeah. Up there with the aboriginal industry. All the money thrown at aboriginal health problems, community problems, etc, ad nauseum, and how much better off are the people who NEED the help? Not much. I have heard two trains of thought on the aboriginal situation
1. ATSIC (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission) organised by gubbas (white people) and run, in the background, by gubbas who really make all the decisions.
2. ATSIC organised by gubbas and run (badly) by aborigines so that they will fall on their arses and show that the government is right to have gubbas controlling the organisation. (This one propounded by a friend ‘who knows, I studied it at university’ - give me strength!)
3. ATSIC created by the government to give aborigines a say in where the money supplied by the Commonwealth Government (ie: Australian taxpayer) should be spent in assisting aborigines to have a better life. Hijacked by the ‘tribal’ system, milked by unsavoury characters who seem to think that taxpayer funds, once handed over to ATSIC, are theirs to do with what they please.
I’m with 3.
I lived in Melbourne years ago and was flabbergasted by the duplication of facilities which just had the ethnic identifier changed in their name.
I am wondering what society would look like 20 years after these draconian solutions were applied.
1)Babies taken from parents where they are clearly at risk and adopted out to couples who are willing and prepared to raise children in a safe and loving enviroment.
2)Sterilize recalcitrant criminals.
Sounds extreme. It is.
I just wonder what society would be like then.
“Don’t blame me. I’m just a product of my environment!” Yeah. No conscience, no concept of right or wrong - how do these fuckers think society operates? Shit, Jesse, if we all thought the way you do it’d be a crime to NOT steal cars and murder our friends!
Put the little bastard in a cell with Pyjama-pants Michael Jackson.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2005 03 11 at 04:20 AM • permalinkPolice notified of the assault were ordered not to attend the scene.
I thought the “Authorities” in the US were paralyzed by political correctness, but this is just obscene.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 03 11 at 04:29 AM • permalinkSwinishCapitalist,
“Don’t blame me. I’m just a product of my environment!�
In a way, he is: the sociopath is the product of an environment of his own making. He knows full well what he does is wrong, but he just doesn’t care.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 03 11 at 04:33 AM • permalinkI wonder if Bryla is there holding Jesse’s hand.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 11 at 04:42 AM • permalinkThe_Real_JeffS,
Standing outside the Court holding a “Free Jesse Kelly” sign, at the very least.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 03 11 at 04:53 AM • permalinkFlute:
Since you seem to actually want to know, sink holes of urban depravity like MF and the idiot behavior they engender are the result of a culture of sloth and excuse, not ‘oppression’ by society.
History is full of poor but rapidly upward-mobile communities, the Irish in NY when they arrived were the illiterate dregs of the earth. The Koreans and Indians are rapidly climbing the same ladder today.
Why? Cultural traits. Hard working, law-abiding, respect for education, family-oreientated, save their money. See a pattern there, Flute? No?
Wave after wave of immigrants have come to this country with nothing more than sutcases and a positive attitude and two generations on they own their own homes and their kids are dentists and lawyers.
By contrast, literally billions of dollars of public money have been poured into Redfern and shitholes like it and three generations on the problems are worse and the idiots there are rioting and blaming the cops. Care to explain that, Flute?
Entrenched poverty and idiocy are the result of the welfare mentality and the parasite class of social workers and leftist fellow-travellers who have a sometimes idological but frquently financial interest in perpetutaing the social pathologies of grievience, self-hate and government dependance.
These people are fucking barbarians, their behavior and criminality excused by a self-righteous class of leftist whiners and financially subsidised by their working neighbors, both through taxes and outright theft of their property.
Grow up, Flute, this isn’t fucking Dickensian England, this drug-addled, carjacking piece of shit is not Oliver Twist.
I agree that any lionisation of Jesse Kelly by the left is disgusting.
But, we shouldn’t forget that this young bloke is now facing manslaughter charges. If convicted, he faces a substantial prison term where he will no doubt be brutalised. I wouldn’t survive 5 minutes in prison, and take no joy in the thought of it happening to others - however deserving. At some stage, he will have to drop the bravado and self pity, and face the fact that he is morally culpable for the death of his mates. All of this Madame Defarge style bloodlust doesn’t help anyone and only reflects badly on us.
LOL, Spiny! Either way, Bryla’s wife and the gardner get some quality time together.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 11 at 06:14 AM • permalinkadam b reckons jesse kelly will be brutalised in prison. eh what? will be? will be? how un-brutal is someone who gets together a gang of mates to (allegedly) beat up a witness to the manslaughter he has (allegedly) committed? this guy is 20. not a 15 year old kid, a 20 year old man. gimme a break
and another thing - this ‘his mum “fell” pregnant’ stuff - as if a decision to get into a porking situation had nothing to do with it… hey maybe that’s the explanation for jesse kelly & his loser mates: their mothers were artificially inseminated without their knowledge by giant cockroaches
AdamB — The Irish came to America because it was come here or starve. They worked their way out of poverty because it was do that or starve. Many Irish families were as broken as anything you see in a modern ghetto, with fathers leaving families to find work and women coming alone or with children because the work opportunities were better for Irish women than men. Along the way they became a mainstay of organized crime well into the 20th century and in many instances, such as on the New Orleans docks, committed brutal racial violence.
What they didn’t have was a bureaucratic welfare institution whose own survival was predicated on keeping them poor and dependent even as it scorned them. Just like Macquarie Fields.
What they did have was a strong religious institution actively involved in the community that provided a cultural and moral continuity their home and civic life might otherwise not have known.
Kelly is responsible for his actions. But it it the progressive community, not the cops, that is responsible for making him the “man” he is today.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 11 at 12:17 PM • permalinkIf “the system” or “society” or “our surroundings” are to blame, then the solution is simple - CHANGE THEM. Start enforcing the law. Stop getting all weepy over thugs and reprobates. Get churches involved with teaching true virtue, not faux-pieties like tolerance and sympathy. Have schools actually teach facts and rigorous thought, not ‘self-esteem’ or piddling PC victim-identification.
It doesn’t sound easy, and it won’t be, but it’s plain as day, and if it’s tough to start doing something about it NOW, how will it be if we wait another generation?
As it stands, people want to blame others and not allow anyone they’re blaming to actually do anything about it - which just gives them another reason to blame them. It’s a frickin’ perpetual motion machine. Jessie’s born to a teen mother, and becomes a teen father. He goes to jail, and deprives his daughter of her dad the same way he was deprived. Over-under on her first pregancy is 16; lay your wagers. (O/U for ‘first criminal activity’ is 14. And someone tell Newton that we’ve gone busted his laws of thermodynamics. Does he have anything else?)
Flute, no one seems to have tried to answer your original question of why MF had risen up and rioted (Not that I can either).
I would think it would be true to say that many, if not most of the Maquarie Fields residents are just as appaled of the few as this people on this thread.
From what I understand, quite a slab of the rioters were non locals looking for a bit of biff.
Of course this leaves aside the appaling whitlamesque strategy of building housing commission ‘communities’ which put low income people all in the one place, so that the local culture is to band together, give up and feel alienated. This may be one thing htat socialist utopia Canberra has right. Require every suburb to have some housing commission homes (lyons is perhaps an exception) - it dilutes the problem in so many ways, and allows greater mixing, so that local peer behavour reduces the desire to sit around and’give up’.....of course, the flipside is it could also dilute the potential crime figures across the whole city as well:).Amos - bullseye, amigo.
Spiny Norman - point taken, and I’ve changed my mind about putting Jesse in with Micky J. Let’s hand him over to the Chief Justice of NSW instead!
(Referring to speech she made yesterday which upset a few bleeding hearts.)Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2005 03 11 at 09:40 PM • permalink
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Arrgh
This infuriates me.
If kids are dragged up in an environment where there is no respect for authority it is not surprising that this is the outcome. In the first instance the blame for this whole sad episode lies with the parents who have no respect for authority, whether it be the law of the land, police or teachers.
When people, particularly young people, learn that they are not responsible for their decisions and actions it must be ‘someone else’s fault’. I really don’t see how people with this mindset can be ‘woken up’. Asked why they rioted some youths had the perfect answer ‘I was bored’ - WTF? I’d never be game to tell my mum that I was bored - she’d always find some crappy job for me to do (or just a chore). Advocates have blamed society for this outcome because they say there is nothing for these youths to do. What utter rot.
Did he surrender or was he captured? I heard two stories.
I am sure there will be people wanting to forgive Jesse because he ‘made a mistake’, but where did his mistake start? Stealing the car? Not stopping for police? When you make a mistake you don’t kill someone.
There, I have had a little spray, I feel better now.
I read two items about the car crash and the subsequent riots in Macquarie Fields in the Sydney Telegraph (I think, they were sent to me from interstate), of the 5th March. One blamed society, and the other blamed the kids and the parents. I know who I blame!