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"WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO"
Mark Steyn encounters leftoid talkback callers:
When, as they often do, they cite Martin Luther King or Mahatma Gandhi, I point out that we’re not always as fortunate to find ourselves up against such relatively benign enemies as British imperial administrators or even American racist rednecks. King and Gandhi’s strategies would not have been effective against fellows who gun down classrooms of Russian schoolchildren, or self-detonate at Muslim weddings in Amman, or behead you live on camera and then release it as a snuff video, or assassinate politicians and as they’re dying fall to the ground and drink their blood off the marble. Come to that, King and Gandhi’s strategies would not have been effective against the prominent British Muslim who in a recent debate at Trinity College, Dublin announced that the Prophet Mohammed’s message to infidels was “I am here to slaughter you all.” Good luck with the binding non-violent conflict resolution there.
And at that point there’s usually a pause and the caller says something like “Well, that’s all the more reason why we need to be even more committed to non-violence.” Or as a lady called Kay put it: “We have a lot of work to do then so that some day a long way down the road they won’t want to slaughter us.”
We have a lot of work to do then so that some day a long way down the road they won’t want to slaughter us.”
That’d be because you’ll all be dead by that point, you ovine freaks.
Posted by Blue State Sil on 2007 03 13 at 11:26 PM • permalinkWithout wishing to make light of what was undoubtedly a nasty experience, these people remind me of a story about the time Beatle George Harrison was confronted in his home by a knife-wielding intruder. As this report tells, Harrison “chanted “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna” at the man, in a vain effort to distract him.”
Actually, I’m in the initial phases of a US government funded grant for “Encounter Therapy”. Basically, we drop off these types at, say, the Kabul airport, and tell them that their return flight leaves from Lahore in 5 days. They can only use public transportation.
I figure the survivors will redefine “barbarism” beyond simply being proximate to a Wal-Mart.
If the NIMH grant falls through, I’m going for an NEA grant to film the deal. Either way, the book rights ought to be worth millions.
Steyn’s point is an interesting one. In the examples given by the left, both MLK jnr and Ghandi were dealing with a reasonable opponent. No one could argue that their (collective)opponent wanted them dead or to destroy them and all others like them.
Its like those who visit a zoo and stick their hand into an animals cage thinking, ‘they look so cute, of course they will like me if I am nice to them.........’
#4- I think it may have been more effective to bean the intruder on the bonce with a balarama mrdanga, then get Ganesha to hold the bastard down until the plod arrived.
And if I’m going a long way down the road in the company of Islamoblammos, Dervish Decapitators and semtex singletted splodeydopes, I intent to travel in one of these.
#5 - Super idea. If you make them carry some catchy placards, the Australian Govt. will sponsor it as an arts project.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 14 at 12:07 AM • permalink#7 - I recall some animal loving gent tried that with the lions at Melbourne Zoo. Next morning the keepers found his clothes where he’d left them, neatly folded outside the enclosure, and a few grinning lions.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 14 at 12:19 AM • permalinkAnd kae, I absolutely fucking HATE kumbaya.
HATE HATE HATE!!!Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 14 at 12:20 AM • permalink#9- I disagree; due to their low fat content, high dirt content and avoidance of synthetic fibres and flammable hygiene products, hippies are excellent for smothering fires, like AFFF on legs.
Also apparently minuture white birds can be highly effective for bisecting uzis.
Steyn’s point is an interesting one. In the examples given by the left, both MLK jnr and Ghandi were dealing with a reasonable opponent. No one could argue that their (collective)opponent wanted them dead or to destroy them and all others like them.
In both cases, they were demanding that their opponents live up to their own stated principles. And eventually they were shamed into doing so. There ain’t no way Osama, Achmedinejad, or any other Islamist freak can ever be “shamed” into anything.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 03 14 at 12:28 AM • permalinkI often refer to this and to the annhilation of the Buddhists from India, the birthplace of Buddhism, and their emergence in south east Asia which by coincidence was never attacked by Islam.
Was indonesia ever Buddhist? If so what happened to the Buddhists there?
Interestingly i am told by a lady from Bangkok, that Thai muslims have Thai names and do not change them to arabic muslim
names like Mohamehd Dawood or whatever.With this mindset of appeasement like Kay, the only way to avoid slaughter is to commit communal suicide.
Can someone enlighten me on drinking the poli’s blood of the marble?
One nightmare childhood recollection. That’s all it takes…
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 14 at 12:41 AM • permalinkI think you did, kae.
So Swinish, is it that the song is supremely annoying, or is it because any adults singing it are
nearlyalways clueless dolts?Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 03 14 at 12:41 AM • permalinkA kumbaya nightmare? Oh, this has to be good.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 03 14 at 12:43 AM • permalink"these people remind me of a story about the time Beatle George Harrison was confronted in his home by a knife-wielding intruder. As this report tells, Harrison chanted ‘Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna’ at the man, in a vain effort to distract him.”
Ghandi’s thoughts on how the Jews of 1940s Europe should tackle the Holocaust were hardly more sophisticated:
Since the movie’s Madeleine Slade specifically invites us to revere the “way out of madness” that Gandhi offered the world at the time of World War II, I am under the embarrassing obligation of recording exactly what courses of action the Great Soul recommended to the various parties involved in that crisis. For Gandhi was never stinting in his advice. Indeed, the less he knew about a subject, the less he stinted.
I am aware that for many not privileged to have visited the former British Raj, the names Gujarat, Rajasthan, and Deccan are simply words. But other names, such as Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, somehow have a harder profile. The term “Jew,” also, has a reasonably hard profile, and I feel all Jews sitting emotionally at the movie ‘Gandhi’ should be apprised of the advice that the Mahatma offered their coreligionists when faced with the Nazi peril: they should commit collective suicide. If only the Jews of Germany had the good sense to offer their throats willingly to the Nazi butchers’ knives and throw themselves into the sea from cliffs they would arouse world public opinion, Gandhi was convinced, and their moral triumph would be remembered for “ages to come.” If they would only pray for Hitler (as their throats were cut, presumably), they would leave a “rich heritage to mankind.” Although Gandhi had known Jews from his earliest days in South Africa--where his three staunchest white supporters were Jews, every one--he disapproved of how rarely they loved their enemies. And he never repented of his recommendation of collective suicide. Even after the war, when the full extent of the Holocaust was revealed, Gandhi told Louis Fischer, one of his biographers, that the Jews died anyway, didn’t they? They might as well have died significantly.
Posted by Ed Driscoll on 2007 03 14 at 12:45 AM • permalinkI think for once I’ll probably give Fred Nile a tick in the NSW election for his stance of muzzie immigration.
I love how the ROPers react to the news.
Moratorium on Islamic immigration
Why not go the whole hog (with offence to muzzies intended) and give us a referendum at the next Federal election.
Posted by ozconservative on 2007 03 14 at 12:50 AM • permalinkThe problem is ultimately that people like those callers assume that whomever they’re dealing with has similar desires and aims to them (life, liberty, individual freedom etc) and thus can be reasoned with. A lot of the time, that’s true. Sometimes, however, it’s not. And when it’s not, the question becomes how much ground will you have ceded before you realise that your assumptions might have been faulty? Historically, that answer has ranged from “Czechezlokavia” to “Control of the Airplane”. I shudder to think what it would be with mutants like that lady running the show.
sorry, Swinish, I think I have told everyone your Achilles heel.
I promise not to post the lyrics…
And Spiny, I think it’s that the fools that wanna hold hands, sing and make love with the murdering, amoral, immoral people think that those people will take any notice of their ‘peace and love’ message.
Not only were they clueless dolts, Spiny, but they were infecting innocent children including me with their poison.
I might add that a good many of these daft clowns are now dead or missing or disgraced.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 14 at 12:51 AM • permalinkI am sitting in a hotel in southern China - so bored I was playing Civilisation III. I had reached “democracy” and the peasants were revolting over my war with the Russians. So I did what all the peaceniks want and demobbed my army. And then watched with detached interest as the Russians joined with the French to capture my towns and burn half of them to the ground.
This is how I see the result of the direction the peaceniks and isolationists want, because our enemy will just take that as a sign of weakness, and kill or convert (same thing, as far as I am concerned) us, starting with the homosexuals, the musicians, the artists who paint human forms, the movie makers etc. Luckily, they will be the first to go, and we will be able to sit back and enjoy watching them reap what they have sown, but then we will be next.Someone’s gunnin’ lord, kumbaya
Someones gunnin’ lord, kumbaya
Gunnin’ children lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbayahSomeone’s slaughterin’ lord, kumbaya
Someone’s slaughterin’ lord, kumbaya
Slaughterin’ infidels lord, kumbaya
Dead infidels, kumbayaSomeone’s drinkin’ lord, kumbaya
Someone’s drinkin’ lord, kumbaya
Drinkin’ blood off the floor lord, kumbaya
The marble floor, kumbayaSomeone’s self-detonatin’ lord, kumbaya
Someones self-detonatin’ lord, kumbaya
At a wedding lord, kumbaya
Now there’ll be no honeymoon-in-Dubai, kumbayaSomeone’s sleepin’ lord, kumbaya
Someone’s sleepin’ lord, kumbaya
The Left is sleepin’ lord, kumbaya
And they’ll never wake up, kumbaya.MLK was not facing moderate enemies - the white supremacist South was quite willing to kill anyone who challenged its power. But his enemies were under the power of a greater authority that had been indifferent: the U.S. federal government and beyond it the voters of the whole U.S. What he had to do was persuade Americans generally to use Federal power to put down the white supremacists.
The FBI broke up the Ku Klux Klan; Congress passed the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act; Federal judges and marshals enforced the Acts, backed up as necessary by the U.S. Army.
(Reads post 31, collapses in twitching heap at k-word overdose...)
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 14 at 01:01 AM • permalinkOr as a lady called Kay put it: “We have a lot of work to do then so that some day a long way down the road they won’t want to slaughter us.”
Without “hands across the world” bints like this, islamofascism could be put to bed in about 12 months. History shows that when confronted with signicant force and will, the camel chaser will fold like paper at an origami olympics.
In my darker moments I almost hope these death loving dervishes get their wicked way. Commonsense tells me that the sweetness of “I told you so” is long forgotten, but the bitter after taste of “Ulululululululu” lasts forever.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 14 at 01:05 AM • permalink“We have a lot of work to do then so that some day a long way down the road they won’t want to slaughter us.”
I’m always amazed at people’s inability to understand basic human nature.
To sum up the issue we have in Iraq; we went in, deposed a despot, dismantling their law and order structure along the way, didn’t replace it with anything and, surprise, surprise, those whose whole life has been involved in meting out violence to the common folk, and criminal gangs, take over the street. Add in external agitators and agents of death and we have slaughter on a fair old scale (though nothing compared to what goes on in Africa).
No law and order = slaughter and mayhem.
Try this thought experiment. If the police, national guard and all armed forces were to move out of Los Angeles tomorrow then what would be the result? Would people go gently about their business and live peacefully with each other or would the Cripps and the Bloods take over and start slaughtering people along the way in a struggle for power?
Pick any city you like and ask the same question. It doesn’t matter how much wishful thinking you do, if there’s no disincentive to slaughtering you then it shouldn’t come as a surprise that you get slaughtered at some point down the track.
Posted by Jack Lacton on 2007 03 14 at 01:07 AM • permalinkAaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuhhhhhh
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 14 at 01:09 AM • permalink#3, General Pershing had the right idea. They even named a missle after him.
Yipes! If that is his reaction to a parody, I really don’t want to see Swinish’s reaction to the Real McCoy.
Don’t anyone get any smart ideas.
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.And don’t anyone say “Ni!”.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 03 14 at 01:21 AM • permalinkHilali considers starting political party
The sheik’s friend and spokesman, Keysar Trad, said the new Islamic political party would be an organisation founded on universal human values and open to all faiths.
“It’s not going to be a party of Muslims only and it’s not going to be called the Muslim Party,” Mr Trad said.
If it’s (truthfully - yeah, right!) open to all faiths, and is not just for muslims only, then what the hell makes it an “Islamic political party”?
Even when they speak English, these guys make no sense.
It’s probably still gibberish in the “original Arabic”...
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 03 14 at 01:28 AM • permalinkDon’t be dhimmi, be a smartie,
Come and join the Islamoparty!
And if we lose, it’s no biggie,
We’ll just keep on getting jiggy-And when we breed out the infifel,
We can send the hippies all to hell,
Although they’ve been useful tools,
Even we can’t stand the fucking tools.So come on Skippy, join us mate,
join the growing caliphate-
We might be thugs, thieves and drug dealers,
But we know how to deal with shielas.No more voting, no franchise,
Giving girls the vote wasn’t wise.
Good for cleaning and cook the kebab,
Otherwise hidden by hijab.So if you like to fondle goat,
All line up and vote vote vote!
From Perth to Kew to Ulladullah,
Elect a Grand Poo Bah Arch Mullah!(Spoken by Keyster Tread, written by Habib al Skylini on behalf of the Death to Great Satan And Filthy Jew Spawn of Monkey and Pig Overseers Party).
"Perpetual peace is a futile dream.”
“May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won’t.”
“Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I’d shoot a snake!”
- General George Patton Jr
“Just drive down that road, until you get blown up”
- General George Patton, about reconnaissance troopsWhen, as they often do, they cite Martin Luther King or Mahatma Gandhi...”
IMO, both of those guys (especially Mohandas) were jackasses. Between them they had one valid point which was: We ain’t getting the same deal other guys are getting.
Other than that one valid bitch...they were a pair of clown shoes.
And, you can take that pacifism crap and blow it out your piehole.
For example: Threaten my family...and you’re a dead man, pure and simple. I’ll worry about the bad karma after you’re staring up at six feet of dirt.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 03 14 at 02:24 AM • permalink"Can someone enlighten me on drinking the poli’s blood of the marble?”
Black September assassinated Wasfi al-Tal, Prime Minister of Jordan.
“On November 28, 1971, while attending an Arab League summit in Cairo, al-Tal was shot dead. Four gunmen approached the prime minister on the steps of the Sheraton hotel and shot him. As he lay dying, one of his assassins licked his blood off marble floor”
Black September was just another marketing name for the PLO.
Posted by Ernst Blofeld on 2007 03 14 at 03:26 AM • permalinkThe thing about pacifists is that they have it the wrong way around.
They think peace is a means. Wrong. It’s an end.
Paradoxical as it sounds, the means to that end is often self-defense, even if it means war or conflict.
Posted by neoZionoid on 2007 03 14 at 04:17 AM • permalinkKing and Gandhi were both murdered for their ideals regardless so their non-violent platform did not save them from violence.
However, there is one important point to be made here: whatever you might think of them, they at least accepted that one outcome of their activism might well be their own deaths.
But for a tiny segment motivated on religious grounds, I’m not convinced our modern-day “pacifists” are concerned with anything more than touting a particular leftist political agenda and trying to save their own sorry asses.
Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2007 03 14 at 05:14 AM • permalinkThese lefties always advocate the use on non-violence when it suits them, notice they never advocate the use of non-violence by the Palestinians, in fact they excuse the use of violence by them (and the Hezbollah).
Posted by Torontosteve on 2007 03 14 at 05:48 AM • permalinkThe use of non-violence can only work if your enemy has a conscience.
And these Islamofascists don’t. They are not going to make peace and are not willing to compromise. So it’s time to wipe them off the face of the Earth.
We need another General Patton again to lead the way.
Posted by The Best Infidel on 2007 03 14 at 06:01 AM • permalink"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,"
Winston Churchill."We have a lot of work to do then so that some day a long way down the road they won’t want to slaughter us.”
KayPosted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 14 at 07:38 AM • permalinkin fact, Gandhi’s policies were NOT successful stemming Hindi-Muslim violence, he was unable to avoid the partitioning of India into Muslim (Bangladesh and Pakistan) and Hindu seperate states and his efforts to do so finally got him killed by his own people, and the violence over Kashmir remains to this day.
Actually, his efforts against the British got quite a few people killed too, but he deemed it “worth it” I guess, because “eventually tyrants always fall"- yeah sometimes after generations of misery, like the USSR or Cuba, or the near complete genocide of your race, like the Holocaust or the Killing Fields. But hey, we won in the end right? Russia and Cambodia are peaceful wonderlands now! Oh wait.
Gandhi was pretty much full of shit.
What you need to remember—and throw in their faces at every opportunity—is that people like “kay” aren’t multiculturists at all.
They’re egotistical, elitist bigots who make the assumption (more like a postulate) that despite appearances, every culture in the world is just like their culture and everybody in the world is just like them—or would be, if they were advanced enough. That’s the reason for kumbaya, etc. They generously provide instruction in reaching the pinnacle of civilization they themselves occupy.
Which is exactly the position I and my neighbors held in the American South circa, say, 1960. #32, your understanding is deficient, not wrong, just incomplete. Cases where we had to be suppressed by force were neither few nor trivial, but what the troops and Federal Marshals had to do in most cases was get us to hold still long enough to think seriously about it. “Kay” and cohorts don’t appear to be capable of serious thinking, and as a result their pronouncements make me nostalgic in a nasty sort of way. Give or take a few nouns, it could be conversation over Dixie beer on the back porch of any redneck in Mississippi during the Eisenhower administration.
Regards,
RicI went into the bathroom of an Austin, TX bar and the call and response graffiti on the wall was:
“Why Can’t We All Get Along?”
“Because I Fu**in Hate Hippies.”Posted by shockcorridor on 2007 03 14 at 10:51 AM • permalinkA lot of us are heavily invested in a belief in “pacifism” because it involves doing no work at all – apart from bending down once every couple of years and slapping the “CO-EXIST” bumper sticker on your new car.
Money quote. Everytime I get behind one of these bumper preaching wankers (my favorite being “Stop Bitching Start a Revolution") I ponder what would happen to the needle on the self-righteousness meter if you hooked it up to the driver.
Posted by shockcorridor on 2007 03 14 at 10:55 AM • permalinkBut the great advantage of cultural relativism is that it absolves you of the need to know anything. For, if everything’s of equal value, why bother learning about any of the differences?
Exactly, Mr. Steyn. Just like the moral relativists, the multi-culti’s embrace one of the most celebrated equivocators of all time. Accepting that there is nothing good or bad; but thinking makes it so, absolves one of personal responsibility and negates the necessity of thinking at all.
FTR, I don’t consider Gandhi a good role model. Never have. Ed Driscoll’s blog post is a good illustration of why.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 03 14 at 12:42 PM • permalink#76 Contrail,
I am looking forward to the day when, Arab oil no longer being needed by the USA (admittedly a long time from now) we will be able to leave policing the ME to India in its role, which I expect it to assume someday, of resurgent Raj. Heh.It seems to me that most of the Jews of Europe reacted to the Nazis like the pacifists want us to react to any threat. Look where it got them. Perhaps one reason Israel is so hated by so many in Europe and on the left is that she does not intend to repeat the experience, and if there is another attempted Holocaust Israel’s Jews will go down fighting this time, and take the enemy with them. Israel reminds the pacifists of the evil futility of their beliefs.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2007 03 14 at 11:20 PM • permalinkI think that on the strength of Gandhi’s non-violent (or non-V, as I like to call it)triumph over the British, he tried similar tactics on a subsequent battle between Muslims and Hindus. It failed miserably becasue the Muslims concerned were committed to violence ie proving Mark Steyn’s point.
Can anyone shed light/details on this matter?
Posted by carpefraise on 2007 03 15 at 12:25 AM • permalinkah, #67, thank you. should have read your answer before posting my question...:(
Posted by carpefraise on 2007 03 15 at 01:15 AM • permalink
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Which means they simply-do-not-get-it.
No wonder the movie Dumb and Dumber was popular.