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WARMENING UNDERGROUND
Greg Hlatky emails:
Fires in underground coal mines in China consume an estimated 200 million tons of coal per year, putting some 2-3% of all man-made carbon dioxide into the atmosphere—or as much as that produced by all the cars and light trucks in the U.S. And whereas auto transportation has considerable economic value, all the pollutants from coal fires are completely and utterly useless.
Of course, to ‘global warming’ zealots the purpose of fighting ‘global warming’ isn’t to save the environment; it’s to bugger industrially-advanced
nations, especially (indeed, almost exclusively) the United States.
Sure seems that way.
I heard that the earth has all sorts of fires underway underground, many of which spew toxic stuff into the air on a regular basis.
Lefties are busy protesting against the weather - they should add volcanoes and other gaia-farts to their list of matters requiring a central planning committee’s uber-control.#1 Actually, AM, that is not how the kyoto protocol works. it actually has a more sophisticated targeting mechanism than “developed western countries”. it mostly leaves the europe umbrella alone thanks to the removal of eastern european factories and power plants with little pollution control, and welsh coal mines circa 1990 (what a coincidence that date is, what?).
Kyoto targets rapidly growing western countries, both in population and GDP . You know - USA, Australia, Canada and NZ.
Canada and NZ were stupid enough to sign up.
#4, phil b,
The burning mountain, at Wingen, Hunter Valley, NSW Australia, is actually a tourist attraction. You drive your vehicle to a parking area off the New England Highway and walk along a 600m path to a viewing site specially constructed by the National Parks & Wildlife Service at the cost of $1.5m to see...um, wisps of smoke sending CO2 and methane and SO2 into the atmosphere. Greens love this place because it’s a heritage site, and it has aboriginal significance, and you can carry a daypack and a bottle of spring water, and be awed by nature’s magnificence. Then you can drive another 20 minutes to Muswellbrook and throw yourself in front of a coal train to stop all that nasty coal from the local open-cut mines being transported to Newcastle to be shipped to China to make greenhouse gas.
Makes sense to me.
For God’s sake, don’t anyone tell the glowball warmenizing police about Burning Mountain, Wingen, NSW Australia.. Pictures here.
Kae, after driving past the Burning Mountain five times a year for 30 years from Newcastle to Tamworth (is that 150 times? How much CO2 have we inflicted on the atmosphere...I must kill myself now), we actually went for a look in August. There’s a faint wisp of smoke, but my finely-tuned nose couldn’t detect the relative proportions of CO2, SO2 or methane. Therefore I have asked the local council to shut down the burning mountain, in line with Newcastle City Council’s wise decision to halt the coal trade through the port of Newcastle. After all, one can’t allow a mountain of coal to send emissions skyward for free while one has the responsibility to prevent coal getting on fire in a foreign country.
Can one?
Slightly o/t but when you’ve had your fill of burningmountains, here’s something else you can do with Gaia to amuse yourself…
Hey, if I remember my Australian geography, isn’t there a “fire moutnain” or something in Victoria, that’s been burning at least since white man first saw it?
Damn Gaia, no respect for the environment.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 12 at 10:00 PM • permalink#11 OK I see someone else caught this too. In NSW no less. Bloody nature, no concern for the environment.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 12 at 10:01 PM • permalinkMareeS
Not sure about shutting it down, will probably have to be debated by a committee first, then there’d have to be EI studies done. Then more debate before a committee. Then… well, you get the gist.As a kid in the 60s I remember driving past it from Sydney on the way to visit Dad’s best mate in Barraba. Dad took great delight in telling me about “The burning mountain”.
#8 Entropy
Yep, and aren’t the sheep-shaggers* who run the NZ government squealing! Turns out they may have to pay a shitload of money to RUSSIA for NZ’s
economic growthwicked enviromental ways.You cannot make this stuff up!
MarkL
Canberra* Except PM Hulun Clarke as the ram who’d tup her has not been sired. Sheep have standards, after all.
Yes, exactly Greg!
I heard about these Chinese coal fires about 2 years ago.
It seems however that global warming doomsayers aren’t too concerned at all, they’re currently too busy trying to blame all of Africa’s problems on the drought there, which they conveniently believe is caused by global warming, and by implication, George Bush and those evil Americans for not signing bloody Kyoto!Could emission trading be used to solve this problem? It seems that it might make sense for a cash-rich utility to agree to put out a fire in exchange for relief from an obligation to install more expensieve pollution control equipment at one of its own facilities. Alternatively, a cash-rich hedge fund might put out the fire, and trade the emission control to a utility.
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Isn’t that how the Kyoto whatever thingie works? Punish developed Western countries financially and shovel the money to less developed countries?
So the people who run these countries can continue their limousine lifestyle while the poor buggers who are the masses huddle in poverty?
Great idea that