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WAR DIFFERENT
“Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli wars?” asks William Kristol. “Because it’s not an Arab-Israeli war.” More:
Most of Israel’s traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn’t a player. The prime mover behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab state, Iran, which wasn’t involved in any of Israel’s previous wars.
What’s happening in the Middle East, then, isn’t just another chapter in the Arab-Israeli conflict. What’s happening is an Islamist-Israeli war.
Excellent round-ups on the Israel-Hezbollah War over at Pajamas Media.
UPDATE. The Saudis slam uncalculating elements:
Saudi Arabia on Thursday blamed “elements” inside Lebanon for the violence with Israel, in unusually frank language directed at guerrilla group Hizbollah and its Iranian backers.
“A distinction must be made between legitimate resistance and uncalculated adventures undertaken by elements inside (Lebanon) and those behind them without recourse to the legal authorities and consulting and coordinating with Arab nations,” a statement carried by the official news agency SPA said.
“These elements should bear the responsibility for their irresponsible actions and they alone should end the crisis they have created.”
(Via J. F. Beck, who has news on the war on pies, the war on hockey sticks, the war on dead whales, and the war on writing.)
And don’t forget the rules have changed from the Arab-Isaeli wars. The Islamists can hurl rockets into civilian enclaves, invade Israel to, among other things, perform suicide homicide, kidnap and torture soldiers, use children to shield themselves from attack, while Israel is condemned by the EU for responding to a violent declaration of war in a war-like manner, and Bush and Condi cry to the Isrealis to restrain themselvs, and ASSad and the Millahs laugh and laugh and laugh.
captain — Then we should honor their religious convictions and help them practice their faith as often as possible…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 15 at 10:26 AM • permalinkTake it from the grand Poobah of the Iraq war to tell us how it is. The Israeli’s effort to pull Iran into this conflict is so obvious. They are pointing the finger at them every step of the way. Clearly, Israel has been frustrated by the stalled efforts in Washington to launch an attack on Iran and Syria, so they are doing it by the back door, and expecting that the US will follow them into the ensuing mess.
Justin Raimondo predicted this outcome three months ago. That’s how predictable pre-meditated escalation is:
“War with Iran will probably not begin with a frontal assault by the U.S. and/or Israel on Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons facilities, or even a skirmish along the Iraq-Iran border. Look to Lebanon and Syria for the first battlegrounds of this developing regional war. The Israelis know perfectly well that Iran’s nuclear ambitions, if they ever materialize, are not an immediate threat: their real concern is their volatile northern border, where their deadly enemies – Hezbollah – are an effective obstacle to Israeli influence. The Israelis are also looking to exploit growing opportunities to make trouble in Syria, where the restive Kurds are their reliable allies, and the brittleness of the Ba’athist dictatorship is an invitation to regime change.”
Justin Raimondo May 29, 2006From #2: I forgot to add some other rules. The terrorists can kill all the Israeli women and children they want and get “understanding” from the West and daily kos. They can start a war and then whine when the other side fights back, and get “understanding” and support. They can send rockets from the homes of their families and then whine about their civilian casulties, while rocketing Israeli civilians. They can start war and refuse to accept the consequences, and ( last rule)the EU will come to their rescue. This is called an assymetric war, which the West, in its cringing appeasment, has created.
adddumboo, of course Iran could not be orchestrating this to take the focus off the UNSC. And of course Israel made Hezbollah fire rockets into Israel and Iranian missiles into Israel ships and kidnap Israeli soldiers. Its amazing how much control Israel has over the Hezbollah.
But then again I am a “blood drinking” Jew.
Let them eat what they made.
Addamo
Those bloody sneaky JOOOOOS!! allowed themselves to be surrounded and outnumbered 10 to 1 before springing their cunning plan!!
Your a nob, a fool and mentaly ill go and find some help or eat a dick its all the same to me.
Look at your post and rally think abut how fundimentally stupid it is. Do a basic cost equasion, who stands to gain?
Israel has only its existence. Iran has a chanc to cement its power and gain time for its nuke programme.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 07 15 at 10:46 AM • permalinkWhat’s happening in the Middle East, then, isn’t just another chapter in the Arab-Israeli conflict. What’s happening is an Islamist-Israeli war.
Which means, finally, that it’s everybody’s war, and not a moment too soon. Iran’s saber-rattling and nuclear threats have unnerved everyone, especially the Arab countries. I think they all (at long last!) see the necessity of defanging Hezbollah and Hamas by bringing down the Assad regime and isolating Iran. If it can be done successfully, Palestinian terrorism will die a quicker death, as will terrorism in Iraq, and the Middle East can get about the business of reforming itself.
No need to respond to Addamo’s squawking. It’s just his usual rationalizing for being a terrorist-loving sockcucker.
Assamo is back! Wasn’t he the one who placed Gaza in Iraq? Yes, the Israelis planned it all. They talked the Islamists into invading their territory to kidnap their soldiers, convinced them to rocket Israeli civilians, and to perform other acts of war. (And if you know what consequences of an act of war are, just think 9/11 or what would have happened if Mexico were to shell Texas, or what actually happened when Pakistan sent a few shells over to India.) Here’s a conspiracy theory you can mull over in your dark little room instead of fantasizing about the chicks you never will have. The Mossed is after you, and it will blame Syria and Iran for your beheading.
Yep, it’s OUR war…except for the millions that fail to recognize, death or servitude of the worst kind awaiting, should WE lose OUR war. They will not be spared, with their collaborative badge of honor. That means of thousands Canadians, and quite a few other Nations idiots, but for those…fuck ‘em.
Once the sane get the world back in order, minus Islamists and their collaborators, means more room for the sane and better place without the other assholes, anyway.
yes, a cunning plan indeed. train a squad of teenage jooooooish martyrs. get them to lounge nonchalantly in camp chairs a few hundred yards from the border, paring their nails or some such, until it all becomes too much for the head sawing morons who cannot resist an opportunity to kidnap an IDF soldier. once they have grabbed your bait, whoosh, land a few rockets on their rellies. just one problem - where does the firing rockets at ashkelon fit in here? oh i know, those sneaky jooos put towels on their heads, snuck into gaza & shelled their own people. same up north
oh & a big cheerio to the aussielebo dole bludgers, dope smugglers & car thieves holidaying in beirut. hope the weather is nice. stay away from your hezbollah mates for a bit
Justin Raimondo??? Justin Raimondo is a Jew-hating, Nazi-loving freak long known on the internet for his prime grade of frothing moonbattery. Addamo’s true colors have been revealed.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 07 15 at 11:17 AM • permalinkAddamo, every time your cowardly ass pops up, I’m just going to cut and paste this -
“yojimbo, your use of facts in dismantling Addamo has guaranteed he won’t return to this thread. He’ll pop up in three or four days on another one, say something stupid, get fact-smacked again, and run away again. For - what - the 60, 70th time?
“On the off chance that Addamo is actually reading this and hasn’t done his usual bleat-and-flee, here goes - Addamo, your pattern of stupid chickenshittery is getting tiresome. When you get clue-batted, either defend yourself or admit you’re wrong. Quit farting in the elevator right before you step out. Sack up, you pussy.”
Justin Raimondo??? Justin Raimondo is a Jew-hating, Nazi-loving freak long known on the internet for his prime grade of frothing moonbattery. Addamo’s true colors have been revealed.
Yep, I literally shouted “OH-HOO!” so loud when I read that, my wife jumped. Nice job, Addamo - there was a thread a while back speculating on your antisemitism based on your comments to Ant’s blog. Thanks for the confirmation. Not only are you an imbecile and a coward, but you’re a scumbag, too.
But you’ve already run away, haven’t you?
These ragtag guerrilla armies of the Islamists, aren’t going to be finished until or unless the Capitols of these ragtag guerrilla armies, either implode or explode.
Implosion doesn’t seem to be in the offing, that leaves one choice. The only way to get the hearts and minds of these death cultists, is to rip them from their bodies.
That leaves ONE self contained target that probably has two Trident submarines off each of its coasts, that could leave the Southern portion of this self contained target, an Island. Hint(s), it borders on China and is close to Japan.
Click on the War on Whales link. That should be included in any list of great moments in demolition.
Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2006 07 15 at 11:48 AM • permalinkI haven’t been to the piss ant’s nest for a while. Addamo’s choice “blood drinking” quip was irresistible.
Interesting how these people no longer bother with the masks when their rage at the sight of Jews defending themselves takes control. Here is Addamo spewing a blood libel like a reflex. Over there, some one with the name “smihs” has this charmer: “FUCK ISRAEL ... the government, the policies and the PEOPLE ...” “...vampires ... war criminal fucks ... sub human war criminals ...”
The erudite “orang” pipes up in the middle with “Who the fuck is MARTIN INDYK—is he a ‘Middle East Expert’?”
“smiths” finishes off his piece of commentary with this “(Sorry ant but i can’t take it anymore)”
I could go on.
What has provoked this vicious out-of-control hate-fest? A liberal democracy has responded to foreign attacks at the very heart of its national sovereignity in the same way as any other liberal democracy would do. Or its government would not survive the week. Nor should it.
But this particular liberal democracy is different. It is Israel. And there are Jews involved. Anyone who retains any doubt about this should follow the link provided by captain. Don’t stay there too long. For your own sake.
From today’s news: “Bush blamed Hezbollah and Syria for the escalating violence in the Middle East. “In my judgment, the best way to stop the violence is to understand why the violence occurred in the first place,” Bush said. “And that’s because Hezbollah has been launching rocket attacks out of Lebanon into Israel and because Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers.”“
So, I think the gloves are off. Iran and Hezbollah really shouldn’t oughtta have done this.
#18, Dave S.: Why are you hating the innocent bags of scum? Don’t be hating them. Just be hating Addammo, who won’t respond—he’ll just do another drive-by one some other thread, and be jsut ever so dang proud of his little self.
#27, So right. Can it not be understood that civilians, surrounded on all sides by Islamic thugs, might feel obliged to demean women, curse Israel, support racism and dhimmitude (sp?) and beheading of innocents and on and on? But western feminists, New York Times yuppie liberals, leftist Jews like Lowenstein, who live relatively secure from these monsters, go into orgiastic fits in support of of these scum and spit on liberal Democracies,USA, Australia, Israel and some others. How can it be explained but as an internalised death wish, which I would happily support except that their politics puts my family and my religion at risk, as well as all those I love, including country.
#1 captain: “The scary thing about fighting islamists is that they win no matter what you do. If you kill them they are martyred. If they kill you it is their military win.”
Well, yeah. That’s true but only for so long as we keep pretending that there’s a nice and gentle way to fight this war.
The only way that paradox is neutralized is to remove everyone that would consider the dead as martyrs.
When fighting against such a cancer as islamism, a cancer that’s had nearly a millenium and a half to clean itself on anyone capable of independent or critical thought, anyone capable of questioning what they are told to believe and propagates through inbreeding, both intellectual and biological…then you’ve got to treat it as an infestation and go after the breeders and the larvae.
No matter how much we’d prefer it to be otherwise, we have 2 options.
1. submit
2. destruction and elimination of that culture and all its manifestations.From The Sunday Age this morning (16/7) p8:
Headline: ANSWERS - How it started, what it means. What follows purports to be a detached summary of the issues.
“Power installations, roads and the international airport , as well as Hezbollah targets, have been hit.
There has been some international criticism and calls for restraint, but Hezbollah has responded by firing SEVERAL (my emphasis) rockets into Israel, including at Israel’s third-largest city, Haifa.”
Several??? I think the terms means three or four. I wonder what the actual number is.
On the same page, David Hirst of The Guardian (of course), has a hand-wringing feature about poor Lebanon, “Pity the nation that suffers others’ wars. Again.”
It includes the immortal Guardian-speak:
Hezbollah’s task is not merely to liberate the last pocket of Lebanese soil, but to help shape the outcome of the Arab-Israeli struggle.”
I wonder what this ‘outcome’, from Hezbollah’s viewpoint, might be.
Age’s objective analysis
mealy mouthed guardianWell, well well !!!
William Kristol and Robert Fisk make the same point.
Kristol “What’s happening in the Middle East, then, isn’t just another chapter in the Arab-Israeli conflict. What’s happening is an Islamist-Israeli war. “
Fisk ” What is also clear is that for the first time Israel is facing two Islamist enemies - in southern Lebanon and in Gaza - rather than nationalist guerrillas.”
I am so glad that they informed me of the bloody obvious.
Listening to the UN and EU chastise Israel about ‘disproportionate use of force’ is like listening to two five-year-olds fight:
Tommy: **punch**
Billy: **PUUNCH!!!**
Tommy: Mommmm! He hit me!
Billy: You hit me first!
Tommy: Yeah, but I didn’t hit you THAT hard!So, class, what’s wrong with this picture? Why does Tommy, who starts the fight, get to decide exactly how hard Billy gets to hit him back? Answer: He doesn’t.
What is Israel supposed to do? Make an incursion into Lebanon, kill two of theirs, kidnap one, and wait ‘til more of their own are kidnapped and/or killed? This way of course there is no escalation by Israel, and Hezbollah gets to mark the beat… Bad outcome!
Posted by Not My Problem on 2006 07 15 at 07:47 PM • permalink#1 - to paraphrase Australian Prime Minister John Howard (speaking about the Bali bombers), dead martyrs are still dead.
Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 07 15 at 09:01 PM • permalinkThere has been some international criticism and calls for restraint, but Hezbollah has responded by firing SEVERAL (my emphasis) rockets into Israel, including at Israel’s third-largest city, Haifa.”
Several??? I think the terms means three or four. I wonder what the actual number is.
More then 700 rockets have been fired into Israeli cities since Thursday…and still countingIt seems The Sunday Age has been infected with that vile meme, possibly from the BBC (go to Biased BBC for more), that states that Cpl. Shalit was captured in Gaza!
Ed O’Loughlin writes (16/7): “As with the capture last month of a soldier in Gaza,...” Amazing. So, Hamas tunnelled from Gaza to Gaza in order to capture/ kidnap an Israeli soldier. Not only is the reporter wrong, but this was missed by the factchecker, and supposedly by the editor because it ran as lead item on their wedsite, and I assume is front page of their printed version.
How can anyone take The Age/ The Sunday Age at face value?
Posted by dover_beach on 2006 07 15 at 09:25 PM • permalinkIt’s Iran vs Israel. The missile fired at the Israeli warship wasn’t an improvised terrorist weapon, it was a Hi-Tech regular armed force one.
700+ rockets and mortar shells is not a “terrorist incident”, it’s an indiscriminate full-scale military bombardment of a civilain population.
A bit of perspective:
Israel has accidentally killed fewer civilians in a week of aerial bombardment, than Islamists deliberately did in one day, on a train in India.
The article is quite right. This is not an Arab/Israeli conflict, but the front line of the war between Islamists and everybody else.
This is not Israel’s war, but all of ours.
It has started in earnest.
Time and past time to make Aliyah. I can no longer sit and watch this from afar. I am sure there’s some use this old fart can be put to.
Now its time to get off my ass and go help.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 07 15 at 10:42 PM • permalinkThree Sydney men holidaying in Lebanon face being conscripted into the Lebanese army and forced to fight on the frontline if Lebanon decides to defend itself against the Israeli attacks.
Ziad Adasi, 25, Anthony El Fanj, 22, and his friend Nabil Saray Eldin, 22, could be forced to perform six months’ compulsory military service because they hold dual citizenship.
“The Government should do something about this,” Ms Kasparian said. “We are very tired ” quote smh
Yeah, they’d be the first to call themselves Lebs in Australia, and now look at this.Just sent the following email to Fairfax:
To whom it may concern (if anyone at Fairfax),
My Parents, who are Australian citizens and were on holidays in Israel, spent over 24 hours in a bomb shelter in the Holy city of Safed. Before they found shelter, Katuysha rockets landed around 100 meters from where they were. I spent a very stressful couple of days on the phone to them as well as to my cousins who live in the town of Carmiel (also under rocket attack).
So you could understand how I felt when I read the following on your website -“Are you in Lebanon, or do you have family or friends there?
SMS your photos and video to 0416 905 403 or email .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) “What about people on the other-side of the border? There are literally hundreds of Australians or relatives of Australians who are under siege from Hezbollah fire in the North of Israel. Are their lives worth less or of no value to the Fairfax press because they happen to be on the other-side of the border?
Mind you, the type of fire that my parents were under was purely indiscriminate. On the other-side of the border, the Israelis are firing at Hezbollah targets only and are trying to avoid places where civilians congregate - they are warning all civilians to get out of areas where they will fire (giving them enough time to get out). Hezbollah on the other hand, is not extending the same courtesy to civilians like my parents.
I’ve noticed that in the second last paragraph of your article, “Trapped Aussies fear draft,” you only very briefly made a passing mention to the plight of Australians and their relatives in Israel and I predict that you might use this to argue objectivity. Sorry, but that sounds pretty pathetic to me.
Please avoid taking a partisan approach, try to (or at least pretend to) be more objective and understand the plight and suffering of peoples on both sides of the border.
Personally, I find it impossible to have any sympathy for the suffering of peoples in Lebannon. They’ve had decades to rid themselves of that filth yet they just sit around, whine like **nts and blame everyone else.
Screw em.
Abject lesson in reality. You dont stand up for yourself you get laid out.
Interesting. The Melbourne Herald Sun is claiming Israeli tv has a report saying Nasrallah has been wounded. Not killed, unfortunately, but maybe next time.
#48 - I do have some sympathy for the people of Lebanon. They’re not all idiots and even the smart ones with the best will in the world are caught between a rock and a hard place. Should they have pushed harder to get rid of Hezbollah? Absolutely. Could they have? Absolutely. But keep in mind they’re pushing against the buildup left by decades of Syrian tyranny. Three years on and we’re still clearing that kind of socio-political detritus out of Iraq—we’ve made a lot of progress, but the effects linger.
Judging by their numbers in the Lebanese Parliament, only a minority of the population supports Hezbollah. They’re a remnant and reminder of the Syrian occupation and most would rather see them gone. However, they A) are much more competent than the Lebanese military (tactically, they’re very good), B) are very well-armed, and C) have the support of a segment of the population. Since HA also wasn’t then much more than a nuisance to Lebanon, they figured they could afford to deal with the problem later. Now that Israel’s taken drastic steps to make HA’s presence a much more urgent problem hindsight shows it to have been a bad decision, but it probably looked logical at the time.
What do you think??
I think you need to let your children play with the hose more often.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 07 16 at 04:03 AM • permalink#51, 52 - I think “Pallywood.”
I also think the deaths of Yehudit Itzkovich, 57, and her seven-year-old grandson Omer Pesachov, the result of Hezbollah’s targeting civilians. And I think of the nine more yet-to-be-identified civilians Hezbollah’s ‘targeting’ killed today.
And I think of Eidad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser, two young soldiers kidnapped in an invasion of Israel from Lebanon.
Thinking is something you really need to practice, Marky, because you’re extraordinarily bad at it. In the meantime, you can take your craven, pathetic moral equivalence and shove it up your ass. Sideways.
#53 There are always seemingly reasonable excuses for folk to put off dealing with such dangers. There’s always tomorrow. There’s always someone else to do it if we only waite awhile longer.
And there’s the “if they’re not attacking me, right now, this moment, it’s not my problem” folk in that mix as well.Well, eventually tomorrow becomes today and later became too late. There is no one to blame but those that refused to take care of business when the business needed taking care of.
The Lebanese are not unique in this. We are all going through this. Hell, even now, with proven implacable enemies, we want to pretend that diplomacy is anything but an idiot’s dance.
We continue to play that silly and proven loser of a game by pretending that if we just give them the right gifts, say nice things, they’ll come around and play nice in return.#51 and #52
So the point you infer is that Hezbollah and Hamas has the right to respond with violence. If this is true then Israel has the right to respond to violence too.
H&H have all the genocidal intent to kill all Israeli citizens. Yet they lack the capability. Israel has the capability to kill all peoples in the region, but no intent.
If Israel acted as carelessly as H&H have with their “resistance” then on paper the killing caused by Israel should be a significant magnitude greater than it is.
There is no problem with chatising Israel for killing civilians. But you look like a Grade A dickhead when you fail to apply the logic of your own argument evenly.
#59 - Well, eventually tomorrow becomes today and later became too late.
Oh, I definitely agree. My point was I’m not completely without sympathy for the Lebanese because what they did is something we all have done. We’ve done it singly, we’ve done it as groups, and we’ve done it as nations. If you’ve ever tried to get a bunch of ordinary people to take drastic, painful, expensive action against something that isn’t clearly a right-now, in-your-face problem for them, you know how hard it is. Look at how long Iraq was brutalized while we sat around with our thumbs up our asses saying ‘But Saddam isn’t doing anything to uuuuussss.’ Look at how many times President Bush reminded us “We cannot wait until the danger is imminent.” And we still have a whole contingent whining that we ‘rushed to war.’ We did nothing about the worldwide blight of Islamic terrorism, even when it killed Americans overseas, until 9/11 made it clearly a right-now, in-our-face problem.
So, while Lebanon is responsible for their choice not to move against Hezbollah and the catastrophic consequences for them of that decision, I still have sympathy for them.
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The scary thing about fighting islamists is that they win no matter what you do. If you kill them they are martyred. If they kill you it is their military win.