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More craziness in sunny Sydney:
New violence erupted in Sydney overnight in the wake of the Cronulla race riot, with gangs of men rampaging through the beachside suburb.
In what may be a reprisal for Sunday’s mob attacks on Australians of Middle Eastern origin at Cronulla, cars carrying up to 50 men [ed: very large cars, evidently] drove into the suburb last night, smashing car windows with baseball bats, witnesses said.
There were unconfirmed reports a person had been shot, reporters in the area saying they heard gunshots near the Northies Hotel.
Cronulla residents last night flooded the suburb’s streets with some claiming they had been told by police they could carry weapons as long as they were discreet.
Cars are a primary target:
Mobs of men have damaged a number of vehicles in an outbreak of fresh violence in the southern Sydney suburb of Cronulla tonight.
A reporter from radio station 2GB said “chaos” had broken out in the beach shopping centre with vehicles damaged and police making arrests as mobs of men roam the streets ...
Police guarding against any repeat of yesterday’s race riot at Cronulla tonight blocked off streets around the Lakemba Mosque, in Sydney’s south-west, after about 500 mostly Muslim men gathered, apparently after rumours of an imminent attack on the building.
There’s more on that mosque guard in this SMH report:
Twenty carloads of men arrived at Cronulla by about 10.30pm, smashing shops, and cars in Elouera Road, and threatening people who got in their way. They reportedly stabbed a woman at Carringbah, but her condition was unknown.
Gunshots were heard near Northies Hotel at Cronulla and there was an unconfirmed report of a man being shot.
About 11.30pm a group of about 100 Cronulla locals surrounded a car carrying men of Middle Eastern appearance, but police cleared the crowd and let the car escape.
Hours earlier, about 200 men had assembled outside Lakemba Mosque - some armed with Glock pistols - and dozens more gathered at Campsie. They were preparing to travel to Maroubra Beach, where up to 300 locals, many armed with crowbars, waited for an arranged fight, according to “Bra Boys” at the beach.
Further on the beach trash v. Lebanese hoodlum contest in the Daily Telegraph. And this from the SMH’s Damien Murphy:
Jennifer Cornwall, who is writing a municipal history of the shire, said Sunday’s riot was part of a continuing problem fanned by the rise of Pauline Hanson, Tampa and terrorists. “Now they’re fighting the ‘Lebs’, as they call them, but I have a 1974 report by the council on problems between locals and so-called ‘wogs’ that talks about parochialism and racism,” she said. “Before that, the locals fought the ‘Bankies’. Really, it’s partly about protecting your territory from outsiders and sticking with your mates."
1974? When Gough Whitlam was Prime Minister? Let’s blame him!
"Arab Australians have had to cope with vilification, racism, abuse and fear of a racial backlash for a number of years, but these riots will take that fear to a new level,” said Roland Jabbour, chairman of the Australian Arabic Council.
I could swear (and I must stop) that I heard the same bullshit said in France
Rampaging lesbos? Wow! Can’t wait to see some photos!
Oh, wait...lebos? Never mind.
(Say, since baseball bats were involved, and baseball is an American game, I sense a new opportunity here to blame George Bush!)
Posted by Monroe Doctrine on 2005 12 12 at 03:55 PM • permalinkSo Monroe wants to see marauding bands of butch dykes rioting. Go to Brisbane Women’s Prison, darling.
These dickheads seem as bad as each other.
Posted by Major Anya on 2005 12 12 at 04:00 PM • permalink"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
I am not sure where the phrase originated, but I suspect it is from the National Rifle Association which protects gun owners’ rights in the U.S. Here in California, about twenty years ago, there was an attempt at a major gun grab by an anti-gun organization. They tried to get a ban introduced into legislation. This raised the hackles of literally hundreds of thousands of gun owners who put together an ad hoc organization called Gun Owners of California. Millions of dollars flowed in, and they were able to defeat the anti-gun lobby’s efforts. They (the gun grabbers) haven’t tried it since.
The black market in weapons is enormous and worldwide. They wouldn’t have that much trouble finding buyers in Oz I should think. Bans never completely stop the flow of black market items. Even people are smuggled into countries, for instance. You have to think: drugs are illegal and there’s plenty of drugs about. Why would guns not be?
Treat us like dogs and we’ll bite back.
SMH “editorial assistant” Roland Haddad engages in a bit of a priori blindness in his short article today.
Only a slight admission that there might be cause to be circumspect about his group. It’s all about prejudice, apparently.
People who behave as if they are not citizens at all can hardly complain about being treated with caution.
Deal with the repeat pattern of disrespecting your adopted country before you cry prejudice.Really, it’s partly about protecting your territory from outsiders and sticking with your mates
A bit like Byron Bay perhaps? Only difference there is that the Byron Shire is contemplating a 3 or 5 dollar “parking surcharge” for outsiders and free parking for locals!! Bye bye Byron! My recent visit was my last!
Interesting phenomenon in these excerpts. When the attackers are Middle Eastern, they are described simply as “men” of indeterminate race/nationality:
gangs of men rampaging through the beachside suburb.
cars carrying up to 50 men
Mobs of men have damaged a number of vehicles
police making arrests as mobs of men roam the streets
But when they are the ones being attacked, suddenly their status as Middle Eastern is made explicit:
Sunday’s mob attacks on Australians of Middle Eastern origin
a group of about 100 Cronulla locals surrounded a car carrying men of Middle Eastern appearance
Do they teach this stuff at journalism school?
Blame Gough? I’m surprised nobody has blamed on GWB yet. Or at least blame it on Karl Rove.
Posted by Pat Patterson on 2005 12 12 at 04:50 PM • permalinkPeople of the wonderful land of OZ, I feel we (in the U.S.) are about to have our own set of riots.
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has denied any clemency for Stanley “Tookie” Williams”. Murderer of four, laughing at the way one of the four he murdered, gurgled as he died
“Tookie” gets Taken tomorrow, riots in major urban areas have been strongly rumored.
For those that don’t know “Tookie”, he is, soon to be was, a founder of the Crips Gang, in addition to his four convictions for murder.
Anyone remember Pogo?
We have met the enemy and they are us
Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2005 12 12 at 04:53 PM • permalinkOf course it is the fault of GWB - Gough Whitlam Blowhard.
I cringe today to think that I was an enthusiastic GWB supporter back in 1972.
“We want Gough”, we cried.
Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2005 12 12 at 05:00 PM • permalinkOh man, the headline at cnn says this:
Anti-Arab rioters smash cars, windows in Sydney
SYDNEY, Australia (AP)—Violence on the streets of Sydney spilled into a second night Monday, as scores of youths drove through beachside suburbs smashing windows of stores, homes and apartments, police said.
"We have shops damaged at Caringbah, cars damaged at Cronulla,” according to Paul Bugden, spokesman for New South Wales police. “We have six arrests at this stage.”
Bugden said he did not have descriptions of those involved in Monday night’s rampage, but said that clearly it was linked to Sunday’s rioting.
Okay, the headline clearly says anti-arab ie white folks are rampaging through the suburbs, then two paragraphs later they say they don’t know whose doing it. Aren’t the Arabs doing this? Is this sheer incompetence for reporting?
Sheesh.
From LGF - awesome
Henry Lawson
1907
So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf and dumb,
Seeing visions “over yonder” of the war I know must come.
In the corner – not a vision – but a sign for coming days
Stand a box of ammunition and a rifle in green baize.
And in this, the living present, let the word go through the land,
Every tradesman, clerk and peasant should have these two things at hand.
No – no ranting song is needed, and no meeting, flag or fuss –
In the future, still unheeded, shall the spirit come to us!
Without feathers, drum or riot on the day that is to be,
We shall march down, very quiet, to our stations by the sea.
While the bitter parties stifle every voice that warns of war,
Every man should own a rifle and have cartridges in storePosted by Jack from Montreal on 2005 12 12 at 05:14 PM • permalinkI was bemused by Al-Age’s reflections on whether anything like it could happen in Melbourne.
"I couldn’t imagine it happening in Melbourne, but I couldn’t have imagined it happening in Sydney, either,” says Luke Howie, a Monash University researcher into attitudes to terrorism. “But we are sowing the seeds of intolerance and hatred, so it’s the sort of thing that could happen in any city in Australia."
We all know who “we” is, of course.History through the headlines:
What do Pirates, Lesbos, muslim marauders bustin’ western cities up, dhimmi converts to islam, and harassed/kidnapped beauties have to do with each other?
We have met the enemy and they are us
Ahem.
“We have met the enemy and he is us.”
- Walt KellyPosted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2005 12 12 at 05:51 PM • permalink"Jennifer Cornwall, who is writing a municipal history of the shire, said Sunday’s riot was part of a continuing problem fanned by the rise of Pauline Hanson, Tampa and terrorists.“
This is a bit rich - blame everyone and everything else except the slight possibility that your own philosophy of social cooperation, which I assume in Cornwall’s case is socialism, (social democracy is euphemism), might be the problem.
Typical social democratic cop-out.
So SMH reporters observed people armed with Glocks at Lakemba mosque? They also reported a large police presence there. So why did they not point these criminals out to those police and have them arrested? Is it now SMH policy to pervert the course of justice? Surely the police, at the very least, should drag in the SMH reporter(s) and have them create identikits of the armed criminals?
With bated breath, i await the standard set of old canards and cliches of Ramsey and Adams who must be wetting themselves in anticipation. These dirty old dishcloths of leftist moonbats that circulate ad infinitum.
But it is not our “marginilasation of muslim communities and dissafected youth” or the inbuilt racism of imperialist anglo saxons, (who should engage in endless mea culpas)that are the root of the problems.
It is the Islamic induced racism, isolationism and supremacist ideas of the Mullahs. Integration to them is an ignoble blasphemy to be avoided at all cost.
We are the Kafirs whose very existence is offensive to them, degenerate inferior hedonists and blasphemous to boot.
Nothing we do or say will stop the onslaught on the land of dar al harb.
No amount of appeasement or bribery will delay for long the inevitable.
it is the same in England’ Holland. France Spain, Kashmir in fact everwhere in the world where Muslims are a minority -and god help us if they ever become a majority.
Tim Priest should become Head of Police. His article in the Australian today is right on the button and the politicians and accountants that stab the Police force in the Back every time they actually do something positive removed immediately.monkeyfan
Good God. Seems like this dust-up between Muslims and everyone else in the world has been going on since the day Muhammed’s camel decided to lie down at the gates of Jerusalem, and there’s no end in sight. Murderers and Thugs Without Borders.
Cornelius,
The reportage in the Daily Telegraph was much different from that of other media. They identify the violence by the ArabsHundreds of youths last night rampaged in Lakemba, while further trouble was brewing in Maroubra and again in Cronulla. A woman police officer was injured when more than 400 youths of Middle Eastern descent smashed cars and rioted at Lakemba mosque.
More than 30 police responded to reports Maroubra locals were stockpiling weapons on shop roofs and in Cronulla a man was bashed by a gang of youths of Middle Eastern appearance.
Jack from Montreal, Stoop Davy Dave,
WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 12 12 at 06:17 PM • permalinkReading the letters section of The Age it appears that the whole rampage/riot at Cronulla was triggered by the beating of a couple of surf lifesavers, and this is proof that Australia is racist and there is an underlying ‘white supremacist’ feeling in ‘the Shire’, as the locals call it.
I am glad that more information has come out, even if it’s only a sprinkling here and at other sites, and in
Tim Priest’s latest article in today’s Australian.
The problem has been brewing for many years.
I have no idea how to fix this problem of disrespectful and defiant youths (and I am talking about the poor, hard-done by Lebanese Muslims who are always being picked on...), but it starts with the parents and with policing and punishing antisocial and violent behaviour.
Reportage of the riots in Cronulla and the southern beaches areas are terribly one-sided, and it’s the politcal correctness which shields the main offenders.
The Cronulla ‘surfie’ rioters would have been better served to soberly organise their anger and energy into a huge rally (my God, there were thousands of them!), to protest at the inept police handling of antisocial behaviour by visitors to their area which has been making it increasingly unpleasant for people to go to the beach (going to the beach is an Australian tradition), and at the disgusting behaviour of those that beat the life guards.And if there had been a sober and non-violent protest by the Cronulla and Southern Beaches people I suppose I’d still hear Keysar Trad bleating about the racism an asking that the vilification laws be applied to these people…
One or two good letters in the Australian today, one in particular from Carl Robinson, Petrie, Qld letters, page 2, scroll down.. The rest of the letters on this subject will boil your blood. (They did mine!)
#35
I know, I know but I don’t pay for them. I am annoyed that they are so unbalanced; and there are so many people out there who read them and believe their slant as gospel, er, perhaps that’s not the correct word, but you know what I mean.
Particularly people living in the northern suburbs (posh) of Sydney who haven’t got a clue what it’s like to live in the western suburbs, or even in proximity to places like Macquarie Fields or Redfern. Welfare mentality apologists (yeah, the welfare mentality is not the only thing, but it’s one of them).
My uncle was extremely defensive of Lebanese when I made a disparaging remark one Christmas. My comment was try living in Bankstown, as opposed to living in Woolooware - well, roosting chickens and all. Didn’t I hear on the news that there was some damage done by Lebanese muslims at Woolooware? And wasn’t someone stabbed?Race riots my
arsefat aunt.#34
Having a friend who played timbrels with the Salvos, I think that tamborine isn’t the correct instrument. Perhaps the trash can lids is it, percussion, you know, it’s easy, just bang them together…#37. Yes, I had second thoughts writing “tamborine” (after posting) for the very reason you mentioned. Oh, well. I’ll use the trash can lid analogy in future.
One could think of the muslim-lebanese gangs as a service, going around Sydney, waking up the hoits to the realities of multi-culturalism. Well, the silver lining…
I think of viruses - biological and computer - in the same way. Stops the system getting complacent - the constant low-level threat etc. Too much peace and quiet lets stupid idealogies have free play for too long. These sort of events expose the idiocy.
The media appear to be rolling all the events of the past couple of days into one big one.
Anyone watching the news last night would get the distinct impression that the stabbing, the rape threats, the baseball bat attacks on cars AND people, including one WOMAN who was smashed in the head requiring stitches, was carried out by the same rabble from Cronulla beach!
Indeed Channel Seven’s Today Tonight program explicitly did just that! It blamed the stabbing attack and rape threats on the Cronulla crowd. Meanwhile over at the ABC, instead of their 7:00pm news bulletin covering the latest event involving roaming cowardly Islamic thugs, it simply rehashed the much more convenient ‘white’ violence of the day before, as did the silly 7:30 Report.
Funny how they’ve never referred to the past violence of these Islamic gangs on white Australia as RACIST!#1 Spiny.Yes posession is heavily regulated but this doesn’t seem to effect our “young men of Middle Eastern extraction”.Witness the number of regular drive-bys and shoot outs involving people from that community.In any case even if you are prepared to jump through all the regulatory hoops you can’t legally own a handgun any heavier than .38cal.Nevertheless a lot of the local gunplay appears to have involved the use of .45cal weapons.One easy way around the restrictions is to obtain a Security Licence.The right licence allows the holder to carry a pistol while on duty but the distinction between duty and “pleasure” is easily blurred and some of these wannabee Coppers like to strut around carrying their penis substitutes.Given the number of Lebanese that infest the Security industry in Sydney it’s not surprising that the Glocks were out last night.
Obviously the racial villification laws do not apply to comments on the actions of white Australians so why not protect yourself by blaming the attacks of the lebanese mobs on them too.
And to call the actions of Lebanese gangs “Un Australian” might bring prosecution or at least attacks of racism. Bad for business no?
Moroney must have learnt that lesson at PC school for Cops.Had to link this from the indymedia morons.
IT WAS THE JOOOOS!!!http://www.sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=62302&group=webcast
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 12 12 at 09:27 PM • permalink#42. So its actually Steven Spielberg’s fault for sending Mossad agents to Australia to shill for his latest film? Plus who says the US doesn’t export anymore, what self-respecting rioter would leave home with out his, made in the USA, Louisville Slugger?
Posted by Pat Patterson on 2005 12 12 at 09:51 PM • permalinkIn any case even if you are prepared to jump through all the regulatory hoops you can’t legally own a handgun any heavier than .38cal.
So that means that you can own handguns in .357 Magnum, .357 SIG, .38 Super, .30 M1 Carbine, 38-40 etc, right?
If I didn’t know better, I’d think gun control laws were written by people trying to give an illusion of safety, and were driven more by hysterical articles in the media than by anything else!
#45 Jic.Yes,the.357’s & .38 Super are OK,.30M1 or 38-40 are weapons I haven’t come across here in handgun form ,but if they are here they can be legally held subject to,of course,compliance with all the other usual bullshit.The.38Super is now probably the most popular calibre in use in IPSC, but limited by the requirement that restricts the magazine to 10 shots.
Premier Iemma and his tame cop,Uncle Kenny,have just held a press conference to announce new laws that will be put before a recalled Parliament on Thursday to deal with “riots”. We will see alcohol free zones,area lockdowns,stop and search of motor vehicles and confiscation of vehicles.All very reassuring until Uncle Kenny was asked if the leaders of the Lebanese thugs had been identified,not to be arrested of course,but presumably to be conferred with,his answer was that their leaders were what were called “Parents”! Kenny just doesn’t get it.These criminals are not in any way controlled or influenced by their parents or for that matter by self promoting posturing media tarts like the slimy Mr.Trad.Just as a matter of interest the thugs caught in the act of vandalising motor vehicles last night and pictured on the front page of the SMH this morning,on the ground cuffed,have been given bail.Mandatory sentences are not on the Iemma agenda.
monkeyfan,
Re: Wikipedia article,
"Her son Alexios became a page, but seems to have been beheaded not long afterwards."
Just seems like anyone involved with these people can’t count on job security.
Posted by Monroe Doctrine on 2005 12 13 at 09:53 AM • permalinkWhat is it with muslim youth and cars, anyway?
Can’t we all just drive along?
Posted by flying_mike on 2005 12 13 at 01:46 PM • permalink
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Pardon my possible ignorance, but aren’t handguns banned in Australia? Or are they so heavily regulated that legal possession is more trouble than it’s worth?