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UNREMARKED AND UNPUNISHED

Phillip Adams laments attacks on the ABC’s Media Watch:

Already dead, or dying, is another focus of critical hatred, Media Watch. Without fearless work by former host Stuart Littlemore, producer David Salter and their successors, the breaches of balance and accountability by Alan Jones and John Laws would have gone unremarked and unpunished. Board member Janet Albrechtsen will also be delighted by producer Peter McEvoy’s resignation. It’s no fun being attacked by Media Watch. I know. It has attacked me a few times.

Yeah, they really beat up on ol’ Phil. Even when he was caught red-handed, Media Watch turned their Adams “attack” into a swipe at right-wing columnists and bloggers. In fact, Adams was more often defended by Media Watch than attacked. This 2002 Adams debacle was never mentioned by the show; a couple of years later, then-host David Marr told me he wasn’t even aware of it. Adams simply isn’t on Media Watch’s radar.

So, Media Watch boss Peter McEvoy has resigned. Not a bad guy to have a drink with, politics aside. Also leaving the ABC is Maxine McKew:

“This is more than likely the end of my broadcasting career,” the 53-year-old said in a statement.

“I’ve been luckier than most and over a 30-year stretch, the ABC has provided me with some golden opportunities.”

None more golden than this.

Posted by Tim B. on 10/24/2006 at 01:03 PM
  1. Sharper than a serpent’s tooth, etc.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 10 24 at 01:36 PM • permalink

  2. I’ve done everything in journalism that I ever wanted to do.....and now on to my first love, well many loves. I want to be the best hooker out there.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 10 24 at 01:44 PM • permalink

  3. Tim, loved the imaginary injection of yourself into the “debate” among leftoids (last link, above)!

    If Adams had ever realized his early yearning to live in a Communist society, odds are he would have been one of those party stooges who censored writers with genuine talent. Too bad (for him) that he’s an apparatchik without an apparatus.

    Posted by paco on 2006 10 24 at 01:48 PM • permalink

  4. Ah, that last link brings back memories.  It’s the one that finally got Juan Gato to start his blog.

    Posted by withcheese on 2006 10 24 at 02:19 PM • permalink

  5. Adams simply isn’t on Media Watch’s radar.

    Adams?  Try any liberal (small L).  Media bias and improper reporting apparently doesn’t exist on the left side of the spectrum.

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 10 24 at 02:44 PM • permalink

  6. UNREMARKED AND UNPUNISHED

    I would add, “UNREMARKABLE”

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 10 24 at 02:57 PM • permalink

  7. Was giggling like a Leunig on smack after reading that last link.

    Posted by CB on 2006 10 24 at 04:22 PM • permalink

  8. Completely OT

    Vegemite’ists, I do believe the gauntlet has been dropped…

    The Marmite’ists have spoken

    click the picture to enlarge.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 10 24 at 04:30 PM • permalink

  9. #5: “Il n’y a pas d’enemi a gauche”, as Mentalfloss might say (although he’d know how to do the accent over the ‘a’).

    Posted by paco on 2006 10 24 at 04:47 PM • permalink

  10. That last link was superb reading.

    Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 10 24 at 04:48 PM • permalink

  11. To be fair to Littlemore, he used to get stuck into Squatter Adams at least once in a while. I recall him once concluding an expose’ of some particular example of Adams’ sycophancy, gullability and wishful thinking (and I wish I could remember the details) with the phrase “Well there’s one born every minute!”

    Littlemore was doubtless a smug and self intoxicated bourgie lefty, but when he hosted Media watch, the show was unmissable.  You certainly couldn’t say the same about any subsequent host.

    Posted by Consuela Potez on 2006 10 24 at 05:46 PM • permalink

  12. I remember when Maxine McKew & Kezza O’Brien anchored the ABC’s telecast from the Tally Room for the October 2004 Federal Election.

    What a riot of po-faced, lemon sucking hysteria. They were horrified. Kezza muttering, “No, no, no, this can’t be happening”. Maxine mumbling “It’s only early days yet, and you would expect a strong Liberal result from those outlying booths… mumble, mumble..”.

    It was delicious. It was exquisite. The look on Maxine’s face couldn’t have been more shocked if Bob McMullen had reached across and grabbed her left boob on national television. Bloody wonderful.

    Posted by Bonmot on 2006 10 24 at 06:24 PM • permalink

  13. I take the opportunity to miss every episode of Media Watch I can. Every week at the allotted time, I sit down in my chair with a beer and deliberately ignore whatever these petulant fuckbags have to say, week after week. No wonder their ratings are so high.

    Posted by CB on 2006 10 24 at 06:26 PM • permalink

  14. I reckon Maxine McKew is one of the best ABC presenters. She was the original host of Lateline, back in the days when they liked nothing better than to get a couple of boffins in the room for half an hour and have a debate over the most obscure subjects, like the effect the invention of the teaspoon had on the age of the Enlightenment, that sort of thing. When she does replacement gigs on Lateline, the IQ in the ABC must rise exponentially - instead of the beat-about-the-bush, ask-a-stupid-question-in-order-to-get-a-stupid-answer style espoused by Tony Jones, you actually get some sharp questions designed to skewer politicians. She was one of the few voices of intelligence on the ABC.

    Posted by TimT on 2006 10 24 at 06:37 PM • permalink

  15. Media Watch boss Peter McEvoy.  If he’s good with his elbow, he still has a fine future as an opening bat.  McEvoy gave a straight bat to ANY criticisms of his too long innings.
    The other night was a reflexive and self-serving defence of themselves by Attard.  They just refrained from shouting “Bring it ON!”
    It seems they have also resisted any change to their tired, Oracular format despite the blogs and broadband changing everything they do..

    McEvoy’s reply to one of my polite letters was both personal and irrelevant. Something like ‘Whatever we did wouldn’t satisfy people like you.
    A real Charmer.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 24 at 06:40 PM • permalink

  16. It’s obvious to me why Admas doesn’t have a blog and doesn’t ‘like’ talkback.  He’s very uncomfortable talking to people who didsagree with him, as the vulgar anti-Krauthammer tirade showed. [Thanks, Tim]
    He keeps his elderly blood pressure under control by carefully selecting sympathetic lefists to talk to chummily, and occasionally acts condescendingly to very polite centrists.
    Late Night Live is a prime target for redressing imbalance, since Adams openly DEFINES it as biased.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 24 at 07:08 PM • permalink

  17. ‘Admas’. Well, he was in Adland for years,  he’s overweight and self-publicising.
    Sorry about my other small errors. I can’t type.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 24 at 07:11 PM • permalink

  18. #9 I would also spell “enemi” with two n’s, but I get your point.

    An even better quote is “Le mieux est l’ennemi du bien”—which can be found in the “OUISocialiste” article by Romani Prodi, 24/04/05 on France and the EU Referendum. (“There is no Europe without France!”—I guess we’ll find out the validity of that statement sooner rather than later if their slide into dhimmitude proceeds unabated).

    Talk about yer “bourgie lefty”, incapable of any admission of guilt or mistake, you can’t go past the French. Witness their attempt to quash the results of the recent report on their abetting role on the Rwandan genocide.

    Oh, did anyone catch Phatty’s interview with the American (non-Arab) Quranic scholar from South Carolina and a “Moderate” Sunni “reformer” earlier this week?

    This man, and I use the term loosely, who preaches his devout atheism to one and all; insults Popes, Archbishops and Rabbis on a daily basis was postively fawning over these two. Not a negative word or criticism of Islam or its adherents—past or present, radical or silent “moderates”. I honelsty thought I was about to witness an on-air conversion!

    The bastard does not permit transcription of his radio spots—with good reason.

    I listen that I might hear the voice of my enemy. Phat Phil embodies all that I hold in contempt, but I would rather he be permitted to spew his twisted “Phil”-opsophy into the ether because now they can be captured on podcast and maybe someone with an I-Pod will save and transcribe his perfidy and moral turpitude.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 24 at 07:12 PM • permalink

  19. According to the Herald “She has been described as dangerous, but only the powerful needed to fear her. Now they can relax: Maxine McKew, TV’s most agile, smart and charming interrogator, is leaving broadcasting, probably for good.”

    Only “the most powerful needed to fear her”?  To me, she only really went out after the weak and inarticulate (viz Pauline Hanson). Anyone of the same mind-set, or who went to the right schools or had sufficient funds to successfully sue was perfectly safe.

    Also note the proviso “probably for good” - but what’s the bet she shows up in politics before too long?  God help us.

    Posted by ann j on 2006 10 24 at 07:27 PM • permalink

  20. #18 MF. It gets no better when you turn to the ABC Religion programs. Stephen Crittenden cannot help editorialising against conservative Christians. He discussed with the very successful church leader Archbishop Peter Jensen today [the so-called ‘progressive’ churches would kill to have his numbers].
    SC described Jensen’s campaign to get 10% of Sydneysiders in to his churches as a ‘bleak’ speech. Yeah, sure.
    Later he described Jensen as in a ‘dis-spirited’ mode, despite Jensen’s very opposite manner.
    The second half of the program was the WCChurches’ conflab with unions and greenies [!] trying to revive the prospects of the sagging Christian Left political cause.
    Expert’s view: ‘The fundamental contradictions of capitalism’ got a guernsey.  The red flag still gutters there.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 24 at 07:41 PM • permalink

  21. #9 I would also spell “enemi” with two n’s, but I get your point.

    Sacre bleu! Nome de Dieu! I am with the disgrace for want of an ‘n’! I now withdraw to the sewers of Paris, where I will pass the remainder of my life playing the musics on the organ, and scaring the beautiful femmes with my bad French.

    Posted by paco on 2006 10 24 at 07:41 PM • permalink

  22. Off topic but I need some help here guys.  Over on Andrew Bolt’s blog I’ve been challenged to watch the docu-movie Occupation 101, and then see if I change my mind on my support of Israel.

    Haven’t yet, too busy, but what do you know about it.  Is it more Pallywood, as I’m suspecting, and does anyone know where it has been critiqued with any authority.

    Thanks in advance

    Posted by spyder on 2006 10 24 at 07:45 PM • permalink

  23. ann j: but what’s the bet she shows up in politics before too long?  God help us.

    My bet is that Maxine-Baby will be kept in reserve as ideal back up for the oily Geraldine Doogue - IF G-D ever retires to enjoy her wealth.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 24 at 07:49 PM • permalink

  24. #21, I’m sure the residents of that Alaskan locale will be pleased to know they’re favoured by the Deity…nyuk, nyuk.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 24 at 07:53 PM • permalink

  25. McEvoy was certainly part of the problem down at MediaWatch. His politics was evident in his work with the public broadcaster.

    Posted by lingus4 on 2006 10 24 at 07:57 PM • permalink

  26. #24: MentalFloss, receive a patented Moe Howard two-fingered eye-poke for that one!

    Posted by paco on 2006 10 24 at 07:57 PM • permalink

  27. I now withdraw to the sewers of Paris… playing the musics on the organ, and scaring the beautiful femmes with my bad French.

    I didn’t know Le Metro had deteriorated to the condition of the London Tube, paco.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 24 at 07:57 PM • permalink

  28. ....the breaches of balance and accountability by Alan Jones and John Laws would have gone unremarked and unpunished”.

    What about the breaches of Terry Lane, Mike Carlton, Alan Ramsay, Four Corners, AM, et al

    What about those breaches Phatty? Breaches and gross misreporting by “friends” is OK. It’s the breaches of enemies that Media Watch scrutinises.

    Media Watch = George Orwell’s Ministry of Information.

    Posted by Bonmot on 2006 10 24 at 08:09 PM • permalink

  29. #22 Spyder, you can watch 23 minutes of it here.

    I am having trouble finding any review not sponsored by A.N.S.W.E.R. or ISM—any detached review at all.

    On the other hand, here’s a “quotable” from Abraham Miller, Prof.Emeritus, Pol. Sci. at U of Cincinnati on the broader topic Revising History at Berkeley: Israeli ‘Occupation 101’

    “I in turn wonder who in the room will be the first, along with the Presbyterians, to divest themselves of cell phones and computers running windows operating systems. Will the activists who own notebooks with Centrino chips toss them into the waste bin?  Will everyone run home and clean their medicine cabinets of Teva prescription drugs?  Will the women in the room decline the new non-invasive computer scan for breast cancer or the new “blue light” treatment for acne?”

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 24 at 08:10 PM • permalink

  30. If Adams had ever realized his early yearning to live in a Communist society, odds are he would have been one of those party stooges who censored writers with genuine talent.

    Didn’t he do that on the Australian film board?

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 24 at 08:11 PM • permalink

  31. #28: I think Phatty is getting too big for his breaches.

    Posted by paco on 2006 10 24 at 08:14 PM • permalink

  32. 19. MentalFloss

    Caught part of that interview. He was busy stroking his guests so hard it wasnt funny.
    His lack of transcripts is something that shits me as well. Id rather check him by use of the written word rather than listen to the smug twat!!

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 24 at 08:27 PM • permalink

  33. I will be sad to see Maxine go, but I think we can all recognise it is important that the ABC continue to provide fresh new crumpet for ALP apparatchiks.

    Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 10 24 at 08:35 PM • permalink

  34. Barrie—sounds like the 7 line in New York to me.

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 24 at 08:50 PM • permalink

  35. #20 Barrie, Surprisingly Stephen Crittendon has been very strong in defence of the Pope’s recent comments.  He is the only ABC commentator I have heard raise serious and direct questions about Islam. In fact, he has been so anti jihad that his days are probably numbered at the ABC.

    He is disappointing on conservative Christians because his preoccupation is gay rights, etc.  As Mark Steyn often remarks, homosexuals ought to be the most concerned about the jihad:  Crittenden is one who gets it.

    Posted by Big Jim on 2006 10 24 at 09:02 PM • permalink

  36. #22, spyder:  The fact that the documentary is entitled “Occupation 101” ought to be your first clue as to the slant contained therein.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 10 24 at 09:21 PM • permalink

  37. Re: Linda Jarvin: She once had the ABC-ish redish/orange hair with dreadlocks at one time, I’ve ever seen. Her books are interesting.

    Posted by 1.618 on 2006 10 24 at 09:29 PM • permalink

  38. After watching SBS news last night I noted a article that MediaWatch should be interested in investigating but wouldn’t touch because it is pro global warming.  SBS did a news piece on WWF bagging Australia on green house gases.  They might as well have just run the WWF public relations clip (that is if this isn’t their clip) with the scary background music and very thing.  Go to the “Australia blasted for greenhouse gases” link on the above site.

    SBS has forgotten that news is supposed to be news not propaganda, they don’t even pretend now to present balance news bulletins.  Gore would be proud.

    Posted by youngy on 2006 10 24 at 09:41 PM • permalink

  39. #37- in the same way that the contents of the lavvie are interesting, at least from a self-preservation perspective; then the ming gets overpowering and it’s time to send them to their rightful destination.

    Jarvin is a walking, talking (or at least yammering) stereotype of a talentless bint with lefty tendancies, who tries to make up for her lack of ability by attempting to be outrageous- “Look at me! I’ve got flaming red hair!! And dreadlocks!! And a goofy multicoloured set of mis-matched clothes that make me look like a mental patient who lives in a skip!!! I must be talented with all this!!!”

    I always thought her appearances on the unwatched and unmissed Critical Mass to be pathetic- a woman clearly pushing 50 trying to look like Cyndi Lauper (and succeeding in being even uglier), mouthing platitudes in groupthink on whatever tiresome load of bollocks was being reviewed.

    Her books are the most woeful, predictable and unchallenging tripe this side of a Phillip Adams column.

    BTW- why not make Phatty the host of Media Watch? They might as well, unless the meagre ABC budget won’t stretch to a fisheye lens.

    Also BTW, I won’t miss the superior smugness of Maxine either; a pratt I know once described her as the tinking mans sex symbol, to which I replied if I was tinking of her, all thoughts of sex would dissolve immediately; perhaps he had a troubled childhood, with a strident harpy of a housemistress who subjected him to regular beatings on the bare bum.

    I’d tip a re-appearance in politics a la Claire Martin and Alan Carpenter, another pair of ABC hacks who were parachuted into safe seats for their respected state ALPs, then on to premiership, plunder of treasury and collapse of social order in their jurisdictions- I’m certain Maxie could emulate their glorious examples of good governance.

    Posted by Habib on 2006 10 24 at 10:03 PM • permalink

  40. Make that thinking- this crappy microsoft keyboard has a sticky H key.

    Posted by Habib on 2006 10 24 at 10:06 PM • permalink

  41. OT rejoice! the vegemite war is won

    Posted by KK on 2006 10 24 at 10:11 PM • permalink

  42. Looks like Habib’s fired up after his end of Ramadan feast.  Terrific stuff!

    And don’t forget Mary Delahunty in that mediocre procession…

    Posted by Big Jim on 2006 10 24 at 10:17 PM • permalink

  43. #20 Barrie. I am disarmed of any significant criticism of your remarks re: The Religion Report, but I support Big Jim’s comments on Stephen Crittendon’s consistent and, by and large, carefully measured, apolitical approach to issues of faith and the manner in which he conducts interviews.

    One noticable blot on Crittenden’s record (IMHO) can be found in his handling of Hanan Ashrawi’s nomination and subsequent award of the Sydney Peace Prize; a transcript of which is located here.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 24 at 10:19 PM • permalink

  44. Habib - yeah, and the worst thing about Jaivin is she seems to have spawned a flock of imitators who dye their hair in ridiculous colours, wear gigantic glasses, and hang about in bookstores. I’ve known several people like this.

    Posted by TimT on 2006 10 24 at 10:20 PM • permalink

  45. TimT,  You might call it the ‘Ditz with Attitude’ look: Always sets off the Moonbat alarm.

    Posted by Big Jim on 2006 10 24 at 10:34 PM • permalink

  46. #44- this munchkin for example?

    Yup, even if you can barely write your own name, let alone fill out a grant application, if a toddler smearing their own poo on a freshly wallpapered bedroom has more artistic ability, if your idea of ryhme, rythmn and metre is the latest effort by 50 Cent and the druggy daubings of Brett Whitely scream unseen messages to you, you can still have the air of the artist by dressing like a clown from a Soviet era Polish circus, having your hair styled by possums you’ve fed acid to and wearing facial decorations like glasses that Elton John would shun as gauche- bloody hell, you won’t need to fill out a grant application, your new admirers will do it for you, and process the paperwork while you wait.

    After all, someone who looks like this is clearly a prodigious talent, and nothing should be allowed to interrupt their vital creative output- public funding is after all the laxative for cultural constipation.

    Posted by Habib on 2006 10 24 at 10:41 PM • permalink

  47. A quick word of warning as well- if you spot Loopy Linda lurking in the fruit and veg aisle at Woolies, i’d advise against purchasing any produce.

    Can’t say I’m surprised she’s fond of fruit- the banana drought must have been particularly painful and prolonged.

    Posted by Habib on 2006 10 24 at 10:51 PM • permalink

  48. #47 - The pineapple would have been glad of its natural protection.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 24 at 11:08 PM • permalink

  49. #43 Point conceded to Big Jim and MF on Crittenden and Islam.  However, I saw him once ‘turned loose’ on a TV talk couch, and he came across as a Standard Issue ABC leftie - with attitude.

    I guess we should cut the ABC a BIT of slack.
    Just heard the BBC feed.  US ‘rightwing’ radio was described in just two minutes as ‘overwhelmingly dominant’ and also ‘getting uppity’ because it wasn’t delivering right now, that it was a ‘secret weapon’ of the White House and was ‘humanising’ its style.
    It’s not the first time I have heard this rhetoric on the BBC - they see no irony in using old anti-Negro language to describe how the Right must ‘know its place’!!
    The BBC is lethal in its noble desire to expose ANY broadcaster who has undue or biased political influence!
    Yet the BBC itself is mostly blatant agitprop these days -and the ABC ‘VC guerrillas’ are exposing them in all their gory glory -thanks ABC!

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 24 at 11:36 PM • permalink

  50. Just one Lebanese cucumber?  Where was the rest of the pack?

    Posted by Big Jim on 2006 10 24 at 11:38 PM • permalink

  51. O/T
    Let me get this straight.
    The artist formerly known as Cat Stevens has released a new album. Warbling about Heaven and True Love. (I heard it and I knew it was him.)

    The artist is now known as Yusuf Islam.

    Wonder where the royalties will go for this?

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 25 at 01:01 AM • permalink

  52. Something just occurred to me as a possibility.

    I’m no “deep thinker” type so this will probably come out a bit sideways and mushy, but here goes.

    Could it be, that the left treats islam so differently from all other religions of mid east origin due to their understanding that islam isnt really a religion at all?

    The thing called islam is nothing but a twisted glarb of paganism and Judaic and Christian blasphemies all created for the specific purpose of managing conquered peoples.

    So, maybe the left is fond of islam because they recognize it to be “the new” utopianist rendition of potential “one worlder” type governance?

    I mean, the fact that islam is a brutal, murderous and repressively barbaric format for social governance wouldn’t bother them much because they can simply ignore those parts.
    After all, ignoring the dysfunctional and nasty effects of their delusional dreamworld utopias is what basically defines a leftist.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 10 25 at 02:16 AM • permalink

  53. Media Watch defended Adams thus:
    “Hoist on his own canard?
    A number of people have emailed us or used our guestbook to accuse Phillip Adams of plagiarism. We don’t agree.

    The Adams’ article (The Weekend Australian Magazine 31 May 2003) is mainly about his own living duck, but includes a digression on the mechanical duck of Jacques de Vaucanson”.

    Is it just possible it’s Leunig’s duck?
    What is it about lefty loons and ducks? Maybe they’re on the same mental level. Or ducks quack better than them? Adds a new dimension to ‘fuck a duck’.

    Posted by Bonmot on 2006 10 25 at 05:02 AM • permalink

  54. I loved that last, not Missing, Link.

    Posted by carpefraise on 2006 10 25 at 05:11 AM • permalink

  55. #53 bonmot

    LOL! But surely you meant “Plucka Duck” ?

    Thinking back to the Saturday show hosted by Daryl Somers and Ossie Ostrich - Hey Hey it’s Saturday

    Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 10 25 at 05:49 AM • permalink

  56. Two good things about Maxine:
    1. Her beautiful eyes!
    2. She did once admit on national television that people like her tend to live in suburbs untroubled by the frictions which attend those living in the more proletarian and often multicultural ones, hence their lack of concern about matters which trouble ordinary Australians. Sounded to me like an acknowledgement of the “out of touch elites” syndrome - was it with Ellen Fanning? Fine Line on SBS no less.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2006 10 25 at 06:58 AM • permalink

  57. What I can bear about Monica Attard is that she doesn’t wear see-through blouses as Liz Jackson so frequently did.  (What was that about?)

    What I can’t bear about her is her capacity to say, with a grim face, such things as that whatsisface (the new CEO) is trying to shut Media Watch down as well as force Norman Swan to give time to iridologists and Robin Williams to (gasp! horror!) let creationists have a voice on his science program when that was not what whatsisface said at all.  Sheer, lying, propaganda.  That program alone should be enough to get her and her team sacked, or at least given a harsh reprimand and told to lift their truth-telling standards.  But I’m not holding my breath.

    Posted by Janice on 2006 10 25 at 07:25 AM • permalink

  58. #39 Habib, your tip is spot on and #19 ann j, I’d pay your bet now.

    Fact is, Maxine McKew is being lined up for a safe federal seat in NSW even as we speak.  You heard it here first!

    I still keep some of my old connections ;)

    TFK

    Posted by TFK on 2006 10 26 at 08:40 AM • permalink

  59. #47 What choked Linda?
    “ice blue eyes”,“blood red lips”,“her love blender”,“the compact whip she always kept in her purse”,“goluptious trough”,“I despise you more than tinned minestrone”?
    Purple prose from our ABC cultural mentor.
    Clare Martin,Carpenter,Delahunty AND Bob Carr..
    Apparently Red Kezza had the honour of introducing McKew to her partner,Bob Hogg,former ALP fed pres.
    It seems he was a bosom buddy of both.
    What does thaat say about the ABC bias?

    Posted by crash on 2006 10 26 at 11:03 AM • permalink

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