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About 5,000 anti-Motoon Muslims—organisers expected 100,000—rallied in London on Saturday under the slogan United Against Incitement. But not everybody was on message:
A Muslim leader behind a mass rally in London yesterday gave a warning of “fire throughout the world” if the West continues to publish cartoons of Mohammed ...
Dr Azam Tamimi, a senior figure in the Muslim Association of Britain, which staged the event, [told] Sky News: “The publication of these cartoons will cause the world to tremble. Fire will be throughout the world if they don’t stop."
The response to this from Muslim Labour MP Sadiq Khan is instructive:
"Speakers can get carried away, but they are just flowery words. I don’t take them on board and others shouldn’t."
Got that? This Tamimi guy threatens the globe with incineration and we’re told to ignore him; just “flowery words”, you see. No big deal. But publish a few cartoons ...
UPDATE. Yet more uniting:
A leading imam in the mosque where the July 7 bombers worshipped has hailed their terrorist attack on London as a “good” act in a secretly taped conversation with an undercover reporter.
Much in addition to this from IRIS blog. Take a look. Or wave your hook, depending on whether or not you’re a recently-convicted Islamic cyclops. Speaking of whom ...
UPDATE II. Algerian Rachid Salama, a former visitor to the London mosque run by old One-Eye McHookster, on uniting through welfare:
“The mosque was huge, clean and warm. Apart from the heavies on the door glaring and flashing their Afghanistan scars, everybody was extremely friendly and welcoming,” he said last week.
“Then I discovered how my brothers passed the day. Many were on benefits or living off charity so they could hang about discussing jihad all day. Whenever we were not praying, we were taken to watch TV. There were endless videos of mujaheddin activity around the globe.”
Longish piece, lots of detail; read the whole thing.
UPDATE III. Motoon madness causes a British backlash:
A Sunday Times-YouGov poll of more than 1,600 people shows widespread public anger about protests earlier this month in Britain and the worldwide uprising in response to Danish cartoons picturing the prophet Muhammad.
The poll shows that 86% of people think the protests were “a gross overreaction”. By 56% to 29% respondents said it was right to publish the cartoons in Denmark and republish them elsewhere.
(Via Tom Pechinski)
UPDATE IV. Mark Steyn:
From Europe’s biggest-selling newspaper, the Sun: ‘’Furious Muslims have blasted adult shop [i.e., sex shop] Ann Summers for selling a blowup male doll called Mustafa Shag."
Not literally “blasted” in the Danish Embassy sense, or at least not yet. Quite how Britain’s Muslim Association found out about Mustafa Shag in order to be offended by him is not clear. It may be that there was some confusion: given that “blowup males” are one of Islam’s leading exports, perhaps some believers went along expecting to find Ahmed and Walid modeling the new line of Semtex belts. Instead, they were confronted by just another filthy infidel sex gag. The Muslim Association’s complaint, needless to say, is that the sex toy “insults the Prophet Muhammad—who also has the title al-Mustapha.’’
Read whole thing.
No, still wrong, first Nic, we don’t believe Mary (peace be upon her) was a prophet. Second, we don’t believe their followers should be killed.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) sent a message to the monks of Saint Catherine in Mount Sinai:
“This is a message written by Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, far and near, we are behind them. Verily, I defend them by myself, the servants, the helpers, and my followers, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be changed from their jobs, nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they (Christians) are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, this is not to take place without her own wish. She is not to be prevented from going to her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation is to disobey this covenant till the Day of Judgment and the end of the world.” (Reference: Muslims and Non-Muslims Face to Face by Dr Ahmad H Sakr, isbn: 0911119-31-9)
“Fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits by aggressing; surely Allah does not love transgressors.” (Qur’an, Chapter 2:190.) Notice that permission is given to fight in self-defense, but not to transgress.
“If they incline toward peace, then seek you peace also. And place your trust in God, for God hears and knows all things.” (Qur’an, Chapter 8:61).
Posted by proud2be@muslimah on 2006 02 12 at 10:13 AM • permalinkNow I know who ProudtoBe is of the many posts back, who poses as a 12 year old illiterate. Why, it’s Muslim Labour MP Sadiq Khan! But don’t blame him for his delusional rant. He’s just following the typical western leftoid who will manage, no matter the ugly, barbaric outrage spoken or physically committed by Muslims will find some way to justify it or cover it up.
Muslimah, means a female Muslim. As far as I know Sadiq is a male name, the female version being Sadiqah.
And I never claimed I was illiterate… And I never claimed I was 12, maybe you are mixed up with the fact I am studyong yr 12?
Posted by proud2be@muslimah on 2006 02 12 at 10:24 AM • permalinkAnd now who is off topic??? STATS…
Posted by proud2be@muslimah on 2006 02 12 at 10:25 AM • permalinkStats, quit it. Just because she posts obsessively to other websites doesn’t mean she’s a fake, just that she has too much free time.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 02 12 at 10:29 AM • permalinkI’m annoyed at this constant sniping at Muslims. They have every right to go beserk.
Think about it....you’ve just got home from blowing up the religous icons of other religions in Afghanistan or a Shiite mosque in Iraq, maybe chopped off an infidels head, denied a Holocaust, taken a school hostage in Russia, sent your son to blow himself up in London and are just about to sit down for your afternoon cup of tea and what do you get - Frigging Cartoons!
What’s a man of peace to do?
For the neutral answer let’s get the New York Times Editor Mustapha Brownstreak to
comment.#5 Good Lord, before I could get #5 out, here is Kahn back in the guise of P2b. This the sixth post he has hijacked, always getting off subject, preaching to us again what Muslims are not allowed to do, like kill the followers of the Virgin Mary, while his collegues kill Catholic Priests and other Catholics, and all those Jews who believe in Moses. Kahn was unmasked several posts back by Francis H, (see my comments 8, 14 in “J-Mo Show”.) Kahn has made my comments clear that he (Pb2) adds nothing to the illumination of facts because he is either delusional or a liar. (Ase one example, as expressed in several posts back, that P2b can’t pass judgement on a Muslim , and so cannot pass judgement on Osama. Moreover, P2b certainly can’t do so, he says, because “he never met him”. Now is not that just like Kahn!)
#6 Wow! Kahn is fast. Just to be clear, I did not say Kahn (PB2)is a 12 year old illiterate, but is posing as one.Seems like proud2be needs to be lecturing these unbalanced nutcases more than quoting all these passages to us.... i’m not sure they are reading the same book as u are proud2be…
and if these tools could be convinced to stop making your religion look like one conceived by, and full of, lunatics, u wouldn’t have to keep coming back here defending it so much???
maybe if u were able to judge some of these guys doing all the beheadings and murderings, confront them and tell them their wrong and quit giving the whole religion a bad name, it would be an easier job selling its good points and truly good intentions to us....
but yet u tell us all these things, but won’t even condemn that nutbag OBL… are there any of these people u are willing to outright condemn????
and by condeming i mean not immediately excusing by insiuating that they were only rightfully paying back someone, like “Yes palestinian suicide bombers are wrong, BUT the Jews ask for it by killing and raping the mothers and daughters, etc, etc, etc”...
after all i have the judgement to be able to condemn many christians, atheists etc, without having to have met them.... it ain’t that difficult when people commit disgusting crimes u know.... it don’t require the wisdom of solomon or anything.....
OK: Tamimi:
“Fire throughout the world.” So bring it on. We had the Nazis, and the Japs, we defeated them, militarily.Then we had the commos. No need to defeat them militarilly, their system simply collapsed, from the their own absurdities.
Next enemies, the militant Muslims.Will we defeat them militarilly? Unlikely, and
unnecessary.Sooner or later, the true Muslims, not the militants and certainly not the faux P2B, will say enough! We do not all believe in bullship martyrdom with panting virgins up in the clouds. Behave yourselfs before we cancel your credit cards!
but do not transgress limits by aggressing; surely Allah does not love transgressors
Which explains what the Muslims were doing in France and Spain centuries before the Crusades…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 12 at 11:19 AM • permalinkSeems like proud2be needs to be lecturing these unbalanced nutcases more than quoting all these passages to us.... i’m not sure they are reading the same book as u are proud2be…
Spot on, casanova.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 02 12 at 11:26 AM • permalinkLittle would you know, I don’t lecture anyone, rather I speak to them, and tell the truth. And I tell them the same things that I tell you. Now I am sorry, I do not have all night, my parents want me in bed at a reasonable hour, and I have school tomorrow, but I’ll be back.
Posted by proud2be@muslimah on 2006 02 12 at 11:34 AM • permalinkWill Cuppy writes, in _The Great Bustard_ :
The Hog-Nosed Snake is a brownish little fellow about as big as your thumb. He operates back of the beaches in Long Island and New Jersey, where there are plenty of Hoppy Toads and fresh air, and he could lead an ideal life if he had any sense. He is perfectly harmless, but [when alarmed] he pretends to be a deadly African Puff Adder. Then he wonders why people kill him.
It’s very interesting that the newsline article identifies some of the instigators of the British mobfest (you know, “Behead Those Who Insult Islam”?) by name and where they live. Maybe we ought to be publicly identifying more of these fellows. Light shining on cockroaches and all that.
It’s also interesting that one of the Danish Muslims who carried the cartoons to the Middle East is disturbed by how much violence resulted. Reality is a bitch, eh Mo?
I don’t lecture anyone, rather I speak to them, and tell the truth.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 02 12 at 01:14 PM • permalinkThe same chick who refuses to condemn Osama is back to lecture us? Great.
When are we gonna have white supremacists around to lecture us about how they can’t condemn the Nazis “because of all the good they did”?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 02 12 at 03:05 PM • permalinkAbout 5,000 anti-Motoon Muslims ralllied in London
Well how comforting that so few turned out! I take that as a good sign of the health of democracy that these thugs cannot garner mass support. And this article from the Times is revealing - at last more of the truth is coming out!
So what we are dealing with simply “the visible Islam, the loudest Islam, is a political movement masquerading as a religion.” and
“Politicised Islam’s attempt at destroying individual freedoms is as much a threat to Islam as the inquisition was to Christianity.”
“By preaching martyrdom as the highest goal for Muslims and beating the drums of “the clash of civilisations”, it is also a threat to world peace.”
When the cartoon wars and related events are viewed in this context, everything becomes quite clear. This is a nothing more than a totalitarian political movement, albeit a dangerous one, that needs to be treated as such and dealt with accordingly.
And beautifully summarised in song.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, this is not to take place without her own wish. She is not to be prevented from going to her church to pray.
Now let us imagine this female Christian is living in Saudi Arabia.
Is there a Christian Church anywhere in Saudi Arabia?
Actually, no. In fact it is a crime for a group of Christians [or any non-muslims] to hold a religious service of any kind.Perhaps she’ll be lucky enough to live near the Saudi border. Is there a Christian Church within 48 miles (the distance a woman is permitted to travel) of the border?
Of course, she cannot driver herself.Posted by pog-ma-thon on 2006 02 12 at 09:48 PM • permalinkI do not have all night, my parents want me in bed at a reasonable hour, and I have school tomorrow,
There is a god!!
Posted by Mikie Slats on 2006 02 13 at 03:42 AM • permalink#2 embutler - you don’t understand the full picture
Jesus is viewed by Islam as a ‘prophet’ because they believe that he preached Islam; the same message as Muhammed; only that the followers of Jesus mucked up the message, as did the followers of all other previous ‘Moslem’ prophets; Moses, Noah, Adam, etc.
Thus the message of Jesus as we know it now - through the Bible - is not, to them ‘the message’ given by their god al-lah.
This is why Islam despises the Jews; they believe that the Jews continually got the message from al-lah, and screwed it up, either deliberately, or not. Check out the Koran and see how many passages are dedicated just for hatred towards Jews and Christians - especially Jews.
The Koran says that the Jews like like donkeys!
62: 5 The likeness of those who were entrusted with the Taurat (Torah), but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is as the likeness of a donkey who carries huge burdens of books (but understands nothing from them). How bad is the example (or the likeness) of people who deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah. And Allah guides not the people who are Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, disbelievers, etc.).
2:96 says that they are the greediest people…
And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who - ascribe partners to Allah (and do not believe in Resurrection - Magians, pagans, and idolaters, etc.). Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
2:61 says that al-lah stamped wrtechedness upon them.
4:61 Says that they (and Christians) believe in idols
5:52 they are cursed.Note: animal analogies are used a number of times
Sabbath breakers are said to be like monkeys
2: 65 And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday). We said to them: “Be you monkeys, despised and rejected.”
2: 66 So We made this punishment an example to their own and to succeeding generations and a lesson to those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
5:93 the Jews are cursed
5:51 don’t take a Jew as a friend
5:53 Jews (and Christians) are losers
5:57 Don’t choose Jews, (or Christians, or disbelievers) as guardians
5:59 Jews (and Christians) are evil-doers
5:63 Rabbis do evil#3
“If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, this is not to take place without her own wish” - proud2be@muslimahAll marriages in Islam are to take place with the ‘consent’ of the bride; even a child can give this consent - and her silence is also considered as ‘consent’.
That out of the way, let’s have a moment to look at what Moslems say should happen in a mixed-marriage (bearing in mind that a Moslem woman is forbidden to marry a non-Moslem man).
In Islam a non-Moslem woman is not free to practice her faith in her own home - when married to a Moslem. This is because her faith is deemed ‘evil’.
“Question : I know that Allah (S) has permitted us to marry Christians and the Jews. Now, can she practice her religious rites in the same house and have pictures of the crucifiction (sic) of Jesus (A) and celebrate Thanksgiving, Christmas and etc. Can her kids join her? If no, would not it hurt her feelings? Please, answer me on this issue.Answer : Praise be to Allaah.
It is not permissible for a Muslim to allow his wife from among the People of the Book to celebrate her festivals in his home, for the man is in charge of that woman and she does not have the right to openly celebrate her festivals in his home, because of the resulting effects of corruption, forbidden things and display of the symbols of kufr in his home. He should keep his children from taking part in those innovated festivals, because the children belong to the father and he should keep them away from these forbidden celebrations. “
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They are some seriously mixed up kids. What other faith has Abraham, Jesus and Mary as prophets yet regard other religions who also believe in these ‘prophets’ as ‘Kaffirs’ or ‘unbelievers’ who should be killed?