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"UNCOVERED MEAT IS THE DISASTER"
Sheik Sheik Sheik!
Sheik Sheik Sheik!
Sheik Hilali!
Shiek HiLAli!
-- KC & The Sunshine Band of Decadent Western Dancing Unpeople Who Must Die
IS IT possible to Sheik and spin at the same time? It is if you’re Keysar Trad, senior context-explainer for Australian mufti Sheik Catmeat Hilali:
He said Sheik Hilali had attracted unfair criticism from media and politicians over the comments and insisted the cleric had long been a supporter of women’s rights ... Mr Trad said the mufti’s words must be taken in context ...
He said the speech did not translate well to English “so all I can say is, he was trying to say to men and women, don’t provoke sexual attention”.
"Obviously, there is a severe penalty for rape and there should be. He’s saying, ‘If you do this, if you behave in a sexual way, see how much trouble you can get into’,” Mr Trad said.
Two points: if the Sheik’s meat-themed speeches don’t translate well to English, perhaps he should learn the language; and Trad’s linkage of rape to merely behaving “in a sexual way” is stunning. So, let’s work through the Sheik’s speech, as translated by SBS:
Those atheists, people of the book (Christians and Jews), where will they end up? In Surfers Paradise? On the Gold Coast? Where will they end up? In hell and not part-time, for eternity. They are the worst in God’s creation.
Nick and Nora Charles, Christians, seem to have ended up on the Gold Coast. Word on the street is they’ve invented a new cocktail called “People of the Book.” Even atheists like it!
When it comes to adultery, it’s 90 percent the woman’s responsibility. Why? Because a woman owns the weapon of seduction. It’s she who takes off her clothes, shortens them, flirts, puts on make-up and powder and takes to the streets, God protect us, dallying. It’s she who shortens, raises and lowers.
What with all the shortening, raising, and lowering, Hilali sounds eerily like Futurama’s evil Brain Balls: “The elders tell of a young ball much like you. He bounced three metres in the air. Then he bounced 1.8 metres in the air. Then he bounced four metres in the air. Do I make myself clear?” Also, just like the Sheik, those balls “cannot condone bouncing of the seventh variety.”
Then, it’s a look, a smile, a conversation, a greeting, a talk, a date, a meeting, a crime, then Long Bay jail. Then you get a judge, who has no mercy, and he gives you 65 years.
Sheik Hilali is referencing a notorious gang-rape case—all sparked, he claims, by rampant “raising and lowering”.
But when it comes to this disaster, who started it? In his literature, writer al-Rafee says, if I came across a rape crime, I would discipline the man and order that the woman be jailed for life. Why would you do this, Rafee? He said because if she had not left the meat uncovered, the cat wouldn’t have snatched it.
In the previous paragraph, Hilali slams a judge who jailed a rapist for 65 years. Next, he approvingly cites a ”writer” who would have rape victims jailed for life.
If you get a kilo of meat, and you don’t put it in the fridge or in the pot or in the kitchen but you leave it on a plate in the backyard, and then you have a fight with the neighbour because his cats eat the meat, you’re crazy. Isn’t this true?
I don’t know. I guess none of us will, until someone at Democratic Underground performs a scientific demonstration of the Cat-Plate Theory.
If you take uncovered meat and put it on the street, on the pavement, in a garden, in a park, or in the backyard, without a cover and the cats eat it, then whose fault will it be, the cat’s, or the uncovered meat’s? The uncovered meat is the disaster. If the meat was covered the cats wouldn’t roam around it. If the meat is inside the fridge, they won’t get it.
But if the meat is outside the fridge, and the cats are inside the fridge, they won’t get it either. For a long, long, time. Trust me on this.
If the woman is in her boudoir, in her house and if she’s wearing the veil and if she shows modesty, disasters don’t happen.
Except the disaster of someone being made a prisoner in her own house.
Satan sees women as half his soldiers. You’re my messenger in necessity, Satan tells women you‘re my weapon to bring down any stubborn man. There are men that I fail with. But you’re the best of my weapons.
Women—Satan’s minions!
The woman was behind Satan playing a role when she disobeyed God and went out all dolled up and unveiled and made of herself palatable food that rakes and perverts would race for. She was the reason behind this sin taking place.
“Rakes.” Haven’t heard that one for a few centuries. Next: the Sheik denounces “bounders” and “cads”. Helpfully, Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty identifies the major crucial issue arising from this whole controversy:
"if we are not careful, I think we risk raising a generation of Australians who will have a bias against Islam."
UPDATE. A terrible punishment for Meatboy:
Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly, the Muslim leader at the centre of a storm over comments blaming women for rape, will be giving no more sermons for several months at Lakemba mosque, senior Muslims say.
But no further action is to be taken against Australia’s top Muslim cleric for likening scantily dressed women to uncovered meat and saying they’re responsible for sexual attacks ...
The board of the Lebanese Muslim Association decided that Sheik Hilaly had been misinterpreted.
UPDATE II. In 1998, Detective John Doran visited the Sheik in his office:
I noted that the sheik had a Stars and Stripes Uncle Sam recruiting poster on the wall behind his desk, with a caption, ‘I want to murder your women and children’.
UPDATE III. The Toronto Daily News: “Muslim Cleric Is a Sick Man, Says Daughter.”
UPDATE IV. A view from the United Arab Emirates: “We predict a riot.”
The woman was behind Satan playing a role when she disobeyed God and went out all dolled up and unveiled and made of herself palatable food that rakes and perverts would race for. She was the reason behind this sin taking place.
I have to agree with damufti on that one point. Muslims typically ARE rakes and perverts. I’ve already seen what they’ll do to a scantily clad donkey, and it ain’t pretty…
Keysar Trad: He said the Islamic religion says “you should not look at women, you must not touch them, so obviously, you can’t rape them”. "The scanty dress might seem like an invitation, that’s what he said, and that invitation must be resisted. He was trying to encourage his flock toward modesty and chastity.”
Hey Keysar, I’m so sorry you’re so stupid. Women don’t invite rape you shitbird. Its ALL about you and your satanic cult’s utter lack of humanity. The sooner the world is rid of Islam the better. There isn’t enough room in the world for both the likes of you raping, lying dirtbags and the rest of us. I vote YOU go.Wow, I didn’t think your cops (wallopers?) were that goofy.
High-ranking executives in police departments throughout the English-speaking world are frequently political appointees who have little to no experience on the street. They’re chosen not for their ability to combat crime, but their ability to kiss ass.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 10 26 at 03:04 PM • permalinkWith profuse apologies to Ted Nugent (because he’s a damned good shot:)
Well I don’t know where they come from but they sure do come
I hope they comin’ for me
And I don’t know how they do it but they sure do it good
I hope there doin’ it for freeThey give me cat meat fever
Cat meat feverwell the first time that I got it I was just ten years old
I got it from some kitty next door
an I went to see the doctor and he gave me the cure
I think I got it some moreThey give me cat meat fever
Cat meat fever
I got a bad meat fever
The cat meat fever
It’s nothin dangerous
I feel no pain
I’ve got the choo-choo train
You know you got it when you… you going insane
It makes a grown man cry cry …oh won’t you make my bedwell I make the pussy purr with the stroke of my hand
They know they gettin’ it from me
They know just where to go when they need their lovin man
They know I doin’ it for freeThey give me cat meat fever
Cat meat fever
They gotta bad meat fever
The cat meat feverThis post is a parody...right? ‘Cuz it sounds like you stole it from Iowahawk.
“Satan sees women as half his soldiers. You’re my messenger in necessity, Satan tells women you‘re my weapon to bring down any stubborn man. There are men that I fail with. But you’re the best of my weapons.”
And lo and behold, I take a gander over at his site, and he’s got an “Ask the Aussie Imam” post up!
Great minds think alike, others’ are just slower.
Here’s a good link for Miami’s KC. There’s catmeat in the video, but it’s pretty well-covered, although there are no hijabs. A perverse admirer of the unclean species known as canine, decadent KC does his part to help real cats (and dogs) get meat by lavishing his ill-gotten wealth on the local humane societies.
Isn’t there a psychologist who reads this blog?
To revisit an old theme, it’s cognative dissonance that drives these crazies crazy.1. The Muslim man is strong, brave, ready for jihad at any moment. BUT he is helpless at the sight of a woman’s hand or nose.
2. The Muslim man is strong and brave, BUT gets his jollies blowing up a market full of innocent women and children.
To confront this hourly for a millenium is enough to make the whole culture nuts.
Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2006 10 26 at 03:19 PM • permalinkDoes anyone else see any similarities in the Koran and the Old Testament ?
Posted by jrjohnryanjr on 2006 10 26 at 03:19 PM • permalinkDoes anyone else see any similarities in the Koran and the Old Testament ?
No. You’re the first person to ever mention any such thing. Why don’t you expand on your point and educate all of us?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 10 26 at 03:26 PM • permalinkI guess none of us will, until someone at Democratic Underground performs a scientific demonstration of the Cat-Plate Theory.
Paco Labs attempted to conduct just such an experiment. Our technicians placed one (1) bowl of ground beef outdoors in an area enclosed by a wire fence, and one (1) cat in the self-same enclosure. After two hours, the cat had not gone near the ground beef, but did give birth to six kittens. The theological ramifications were not immediately apparent; however, Paco Labs is pleased to offer for sale six darling kittens - pedigreed Persians, with papers, all appropriate vaccinations administered - no reasonable offer refused!
If the woman is in her boudoir, in her house and if she’s wearing the veil and if she shows modesty, disasters don’t happen.- Sheik Hilali
Except the disaster of someone being made a prisoner in her own house.—Tim Blair
Well put Tim. This is one of the most profound statements I can recall you making. Well done good sir.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 10 26 at 03:40 PM • permalinkWomen—Satan’s minions!
Hold up just a minute. I thought we RWDB’s were
Karl’sSatan’s minions. Is it just the female portion that can claim this honor?I’d just bet Rebecca and Kae are smug as hell right now.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 10 26 at 03:45 PM • permalinkHmmm.
1.
Does anyone else see any similarities in the Koran and the Old Testament ?
The Koran is based in part on the Old Testament.
2. Can you imagine involving Schrodinger’s cat in this absurd fantasy?
3. Where the F**K are the femnazis?
If I started shouting that partially clothed women were little better than meat on a dish they’d be calling for my hanging.
Posted by memomachine on 2006 10 26 at 03:48 PM • permalink"if we are not careful, I think we risk raising a generation of Australians who will have a bias against Islam.”
Change ‘Australians’ to ‘everybody in the freakin’ world’ and it makes sense.
I would love to borrow the Paco Inc. Time Discomboobulator for a bit just to see how history books see this interesting period we are living thru.
I just hope it’s not in Arabic....Naaaa. Silly me, the Arabs haven’t written anything about history since 762. I expect the flyleaf would read…
"Now that Mecca and Medina have cooled enough for parking, historians again debate the strange death cult which once boasted nearly a billion members..."
Hmm, it was women, no it was prostitutes, now it’s “premarital fornication” Did I miss anything? And is the SMH so bereft of morals it doesn’t realise that fornication by definition, is premarital sex?
Oh yes Ed #19, the Koran is based in part on the Old Testament because Mo was illiterate and the Bible wasn’t translated into Arabic until about 100 years after Mo died, and well the Koran has no narrative or thematic structure but you can read Genesis to Kings and still follow the story to even put the prophets into their context. I think you will find the “connections” are much more tenuous and indirect...to put it mildly.
Isn’t it funny that the Dear od Sheihk’s sermon “didn’t translate well” into English ans was “taken out of context”, but at the same time his “apology” was perfectly translated. I think it was taken out of conext as well. Sounds like taqqiya to me.
Posted by brian_smaller on 2006 10 26 at 04:37 PM • permalink"But when it comes to this disaster, who started it? In his literature, writer al-Rafee says, if I came across a rape crime, I would discipline the man and order that the woman be jailed for life. Why would you do this, Rafee? He said because if she had not left the meat uncovered, the cat wouldn’t have snatched it.”
It wasn’t me, honestly.
Sheesh Tim, ya live on the Gold Coast and everyone wants to come stay.
All right then, party at our place, why not drop over and help us turn wine into water?
-- Nick and Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 10 26 at 04:47 PM • permalinkHmmmm.
Oh yes Ed #19, the Koran is based in part on the Old Testament because Mo was illiterate and the Bible wasn’t translated into Arabic until about 100 years after Mo died
Well then since you’re such a jolly-fuck fellow you can explain why the Koran includes Moses, Gensis, the Garden of Eden and many other things borrowed from the Old Testament.
Posted by memomachine on 2006 10 26 at 05:05 PM • permalinkRe: #12
Women—Satan’s minions!
Filet minions.
Instead of eye candy, eye fillet perhaps?
Posted by ausdiplomad on 2006 10 26 at 05:07 PM • permalinkThere’s nothing new in the Mufti saying one thing in Arabic and another in English. It’s common practice, and the Arabic words are often as offensive as the Mufti’s were in this case, it’s just that they stay hidden.
What’s interesting is that someone bothered to translate and publish it this time for all to see. More please. [And let’s hope the NYT doesn’t out the translator.]
Posted by localharbor on 2006 10 26 at 05:10 PM • permalinkLook, I’ve always believed a large part of winning against these...ummm… people is to make a laughingstock of them. If we can turn them into figures of fun, and objects of general hilarity, (look at the way Georgous George Galloway became an object of ridicule in his red leotard) then a lot of their viciousness is defanged.
Can we hang a nickname on this guy? I think calling him “The Cat-Meat Mufti” would be perfect for making an object of derision and scorn out of him. I mean, whenever he appears in public, people can meow at him. Please, please please start calling him the Cat-Meat Mufti! I already have, here!Sayings of the Cat-Meat MuftiHow about a compromise? Cover the catmeat with Saran wrap.
Disgusting op ed at the BBC as ususal.
By nick Bryant.
‘A softly-spoken man, who clearly commands both enourmous respect and affection within his community’
- enourmous respect form whom exactly Nick?His English is poor, and it was difficult at times to make out precisely what he was saying.
And later Nick tells us that the Immam has been in Australia for 20 years , so why the hell does a learned man who commands respect hardly speak a word of ENGLISH?Audio of a muslim woman’s opinion on what the sheikh said.
I thought I was Karl’s mignon and now I find I’m Satan’s. Hmmm. That’s a step backwards if you ask me.
As for Mick Keelty, well, sir, just in case you didn’t realise, there are more than one generation biased against islam. You can thank Trad, the Sheikh and the postal brigade with their separatist antics for that.
And there are also a sh*tlaod of people biased against the police, too.
That’s courtesy of the post-Cronulla arrests (excuse me? wha? there were none? Oh,) the ludicrously light sentencing procedures and idiocy like the multiculti book put out a couple of years back describing how sensitive we have to be to minorities. My particular fave bit? Where in cases of domestic violence, women should preferably be interviews with the head of the family present, or deal with the religious leader of the community.
Read your quran, idiot, if she’s beaten it’s because she should be, and hubby is most likely the perpetrator. As if they’ll be cooperating with the likes of kaffir coppers.
I won’t even get started on the likely treatment the mongrels from Werribee will get.
Grrrrrr
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 10 26 at 05:23 PM • permalinkIn The Oz --
Apologist worked for jihadi journal
The man who was first to jump to the defence of Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, following his comments comparing women to meat, was the same man who 10 years ago translated jihadi propaganda, including an interview with Osama bin Laden, for an extremist Islamic magazine based in Sydney. [snip]
Mr Trad has carefully remade himself into a readily available voice for moderate Islam in Australia, after being the sheik’s friend and informal spokesman for many years and at one time a translator for the radical Islamic Youth Movement in Sydney. This group’s Nida’ul Islam magazine and website advocated terrorist “martyrdom operations” against the West and famously scored an exclusive interview with the al-Qa’ida terror chief in 1996.
The magazine, which targeted students in the Australian Islamic community, had stated it wanted to reflect the views of the “jihad stream” and promote jihad as the only path to establish the Islamic state.
Yesterday, Mr Trad said he did not agree with the views of IYM, which has been shut down, when he was translating for them and that he had only carried out the unpaid work “to get translation practice”.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 10 26 at 06:06 PM • permalinkKC & The Sunshine Band
Loved them, still love the songs.
Get Down Tonight
Baby, babe, let’s get together.
Honey, hon, me and you.
And do the things, ah, do the things
That we like to do.
Do a little dance, make a little love,
Get down tonight.
Do a little dance, make a little love,
Get down tonight.
Baby, babe, I’ll meet you,
Same place, same time.
Where we can get together
And ease up our mind.
Do a little dance, make a little love,
Get down tonight.
Do a little dance, make a little love,
Get down tonight.
Get down, get down, get down, get down,
Get down tonight baby.They left out a few ooooo, ooooo, ooooo’s.
Although the....
Sheik Sheik Sheik!
Sheik Sheik Sheik! your booty, wasn’t to damn bad, either.Yesterday, Mr Trad said he did not agree with the views of IYM, which has been shut down, when he was translating for them and that he had only carried out the unpaid work “to get translation practice”.
So I guess he was feeding the bits he translated to the authorities?
No?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 10 26 at 06:15 PM • permalinkIf you get a kilo of meat, and you don’t put it in the fridge or in the pot
Frigid, imprisoned Moslem women?
The ABC interviews explained that Hilali was ‘only’ talking to some oldies in Arabic. [Not in itself a problem for me.]
But these are the ones that lay down the law for their children.More evidence, not of ‘translation issues’, but of The Arafat syndrome -talking quite differently to different audiences.
The spokesman trying to explain why he was NOT CENSURED by the Islamic Association tied himself in knots.
He even used the phrase ‘perfectly ambiguous’.IS IT possible to Sheik and spin at the same time?
What does Michael J. Fox have to do with the Mufti? (Other than wanting the Democrats to win in the midterm election.)
Posted by andycanuck on 2006 10 26 at 06:20 PM • permalinkAnother Moslem apologist’s significant phrase: unavoidably published
Translation: ‘another case of the truth about Hilali getting out’
Let’s wait for the huge march of the ‘moderate, well-integrated Moslems’, arm in arm with the Women’s Liberationists…
demanding the deportation of Hilali/Hitlerli
-We’ll wait til the fridge freezes over…This repressed old fool Hilali makes me angry, and yet at the same time I want to laugh at him. All that shortening, raising, and lowering that must go on in his brain! He’s a regular target for night time succubi, isn’t he, and how it must humiliate him.
I have to agree with Nora that being Satan’s minion (as opposed to the cat’s mignon) is a demotion from the ranks of Karl. Therefore I must decline, as wronwright has not yet felt the full force of my smugness, a project that can only be completed under the auspices of His Dark Majesty.
For some reason, “Shake your Booty” has become the second favorite song of my three year old son (his favorite is the Thomas the Tank Engine Theme Song).
In an incident that will further inspire Europeans to hate Americans, he was teaching the song to his slightly younger Half Belgian-Half German (though technically American) cousin. The cousin, who before that moment spoke only French and German, now apparently has learned how to say “Shake your booty” in English.
#23 saint. Good points for the unwary. Early Islam had only very sketchy contact with Jewish and Christian thought and people.
They only wanted to show their superiority to both, taking their monotheism from Judaism but failing to accept that Christians are also monotheistic.
The Koran includes internally contradictory statements about Jesus’ early life, and includes a claim that he was not in fact crucified but survived. [Remarkable in itself as a historical claim].
Early Moslems used these religions, but knew very little about them, and it shows in the Qr’an.Sheik Sheik Sheik!
Sheik Sheik Sheik!
Sheik Hilali!
Shiek HiLAli!Or, as the great Frank Zappa once crooned, Sheik Yerbooty!
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2006 10 26 at 06:42 PM • permalinkif we are not careful, I think we risk raising a generation of Australians who will have a bias against Islam
If we are not careful?
I beg your pardon Mr Plod, but we are not the ones running around oppressing women, vilifying Jews and praising suicide bombers, as Hilali has.
If you are not careful, I think you risk raising a generation of Australians who will have a bias against police.
I’m pretty much on board with this islam gig, any religion that allows you to state (with authority) that women are satans minions gets my vote.
If they can just get rid of that silly ban on alcohol, I’d be putting the fun back into fundamentalism with the best of them.
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2006 10 26 at 07:00 PM • permalinkWhen we vent our spleens about the DANGEROUS IGNORANCE of Islam. Sometimes we are visited by apologists like Nigel, tommyg and other poor souls who are blinded by their lack of perception. Then we get this old dumbarse Sheik Doolally who makes us shake our heads even more about the hypocrisy of Islam. How will the apologists explain this latest insulting and offensive verbal defaecation from the Mufti of the intellectually unproductive.
If this fuckhead knows where to find those "who shortens, raises and lowers" he should tell me so I can get some shortening, raising and lowering.
Is it true he can’t speak English? Is it true he isn’t a citizen? Is it true he has lived in Australia for 20 years?
Throw the cunt to the sharks.
Sorry for the expletives, but this crap just makes me mad.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 26 at 07:08 PM • permalinkSounds like the whole global domination thing is starting to unravel. What beats me is that it’s taken so long for this story to be written. Sheik Hilali and Keyser Trad have been getting away with hate speech for years. Better late than never, but the Australian press is not much better than piss weak. Let’s have more from the good Sheik and his fat little mate.
Mick Keelty must be in the pay of the sheik .. or in some kind of reality paralysis.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 26 at 07:16 PM • permalink"Then you get a judge, who has no mercy, and he gives you 65 years.”
A judge with no mercy? 65 years in jail would be a walk in the park compared to 65 minutes with one of the fathers of the girls and a potato peeler.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 26 at 07:22 PM • permalink#3 Texas Bob, the (prick)shake is using typical rapist self-justification.
If a rapist and caught, his defence in court would be "She brought upon herself by tempting me"
This is a defence that has been delegitimized for 40 years; why is the chief of police supporting it?
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 26 at 07:22 PM • permalink#10
A muslim man is strong and brave when he blows up some babies.
A muslim man is strong and brave until he sees some ladies.
Yes.... This somes up the cowardly cunts.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 26 at 07:30 PM • permalink#16 It never will be funny, just pathetic. Good grief, the muslim civilization didn’t even understand oxygen.
I think I could find a Quoranic prohibition of the use of Oxygen in the ever-so-interpretable, but never to be interpreted, koran; or, failing that, the hadith.
Take the Western O2 from the bugger and let him suffocate in his own urine (to mix a metaphor)
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 26 at 07:41 PM • permalinkUncle Mick (Keelty) does a spot of parenting at the Manson’s place…
Momma: “Lil’ Charlie, you touch those matches agin and I’ll beat the crap out you.”
Poppa: “Give me those” [short sharp slap to the side of the head]
Uncle Mick: (to Momma and Poppa in front of Charlie) Now you know you can’t treat the boy like that. Charlie knows where to get matches and gasoline and he’s going to burn your house down. Isn’t that right Charlie?”
I’m not angry at these Muslim freaks. It’s pointless—like being angry at a rabid dog. The people I’m angry at are the ones letting these woman-fearing, life-hating murderers run loose in the streets merely to impress their status-obsessed peers with how “understanding” and “multicultural” they are.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 10 26 at 07:49 PM • permalink#25
Careful there was a trick question
Ah, so that is why I didn’t get to fornicate, you Saint.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 26 at 07:49 PM • permalinkIf you take uncovered meat and put it on the street, on the pavement, in a garden, in a park, or in the backyard, without a cover and the cats eat it, then whose fault will it be, the cat’s, or the uncovered meat’s?
Actually the fault lies with the person who placed the meat in harms way while evidently looking the other way. If our Muslim community are telling us that they cannot control themselves around free women why aren’t out governments and police forces listening and taking action?Obviously, Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty was trained at the Officer Barbrady School of Policing at SouthPark.Nothing to see here! Move along!!!
Posted by Wylie Wilde on 2006 10 26 at 07:58 PM • permalink#49 RebeccaH,
Unfortunately, I msut disabuse you of a confusion.
This “imam” is not a silly old fool. He is one of the front line troops in the war against the non-islamic world (including Russia and China, although they do not want to recognize it). Do you really think he can’t speak English? After 20 years? Yet he can respond with such a finely crafted defensive press release.
No, he is enemy. Paid for by Saudi oil money.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 26 at 08:03 PM • permalinkDespite the fact that the translation printed in today’s Australian was done by an SBS staffer, the SBS reprint on their site left out a small detail:
Then it’s a look, then a smile, then a conversation, a greeting, then a conversation, then a date, then a meeting, then a crime, then Long Bay jail. (laughs).
(My emphasis. Link here.) See? It’s a real hoot that old meat-rape-lockup routine.
Mick Keelty must be puffing himself up for a Labor Party spot. No other explanation for such naive stupidity.
And what about all that unrefrigerated meat? It sure can make you go from short to long, lowered to raised. Gotta use it before it spoils!
Here’s the funny part: even before he gets on to the girls, he’s already written off the vast majority of Australians as the worst in God’s creation. A poster boy for multiculturalism.
This is an impressive speech by Mick Keelty but some meticulous internet research by me shows that he has probably lifted much of it from a 1940 speech by Winston Churchill.
I think you will agree that the similarities in the following Churchill speech are just a bit too much of a coincidence:
“If we are not careful, I think we risk raising a generation of English people who will have a bias against Germans. I propose gathering the largest group of social workers this country has ever seen to fight against anti-German bias. The social workers shall go on to the end, they shall counsel against anti-German bias in France, they shall fight anti-German bias on the seas and oceans, they shall fight prejudice with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend against unpleasant bias, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight unpleasant bias on the beaches…”
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 10 26 at 08:08 PM • permalinkLove segments of the ABC’s spin on this - condemnation, followed by a reminder on how such views are apparently common in the wider community. On JJJ news they reported the comments, then followed up with the results of a survey on rape that showed similar community-wide sentiments to those mentioned by ol’ sheikhy. Uh huh.
Then, on JJJ commentary (breakfast radio), Steve Kinnane and those no-talent, unfunny, overgrown teenager idiots from Frenzel Rhomb were falling over themselves to draw equivalence between Hilali’s comments and (unspecified) statements of George Pell and other senior Christian leaders. Huh?
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 10 26 at 08:13 PM • permalinkAs a BTW - I wrote this post about the differences between two competing belief systems and how it impacts on women.
-- Nora who’s cocktail party is now is full swing
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 10 26 at 08:26 PM • permalinkMick Keelty meant to say"If we are not careful we risk raising a generation of Australians who will have an understanding of islam.
Bye bye to the myth of the moderate muslim.Text messages on revenge attacks refer to Lions of Lebanon--sheik calls them cats.
Coincidence?????[Format-ruining italics tag removed. If you can’t figure out how to use the formatting here don’t use it. The Management.]
"If you get a kilo of meat, and you don’t put it in the fridge or in the pot or in the kitchen but you leave it on a plate in the backyard, and then you have a fight with the neighbour because his cats eat the meat, you’re crazy. Isn’t this true?”
This can be tried at home. Guess what? My neighbour’s cat did eat my minced beef. I tried it again and the Lamptons’ ginger tom ate some delicious lamb cutlets we were going to have for dinner. At this point my wife began behaving strangely.
Logically, no number of positive outcomes at the level of experimental testing can confirm a scientific theory, but a single counterexample is logically decisive: it shows the theory, from which the implication is derived, to be false. Because of the spouse’s intervention, I have been unable - as yet - to put the Sheik’s theory on the footing, say, of Special Relativity but who can stop the march of reason?
"He said the speech did not translate well to English...”
Incitement to rape sounds much nicer in Arabic, I guess.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 10 26 at 09:15 PM • permalinkI have had the misfortune to listen to RN this morning. Even the cult members who claim to be appalled are all resorting to context, using words like “mistake”, and generally not making any sense. Not a one has clearly stated that the rape-inciting mysogynist cult leader is wrong.
Pru Goward is right: deport him. Cancel his passport while he’s overseas.
Over recent times, a few people have made unprompted comments about this cult and its members. These are people who most definitely have socially liberal views who have said that this cult is a problem.
I have a feeling that the relative quiet in this country won’t last much longer.
Is it just me, or is it getting to be funny avout these primitives?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 26 at 09:20 PM • permalinkIn English…
is it just me, or is it getting harder to be funny about these primitives?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 26 at 09:22 PM • permalinkIts pretty clear Mick Keelty blames the meat for being eaten not the cat for eating it. That should fill Australian women with confidence in the commitment of the Australian Federal Police to uphold the law. Keelty should worry less about what future generations of Australians think of muslims and more about what current generations think of him. It seems he would prefer to be a shariah law enforcement officer.
richard mcenroe:
is it just me, or is it getting harder to be funny about these primitives?
Sort of how it’s getting more difficult to parody the Democrats and the Left?
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2006 10 26 at 09:28 PM • permalinkNow slow down folks. Lets all take a deep breath and have a cold glass of water. These are just the teething problems of a new religion. Admittedly it’s taking longer than Windows 95 to get the bugs out, but they’re trying, really trying. Trying my FUCKING patience.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 26 at 09:34 PM • permalinkI have been a supporter of the Bulldogs rugby league team in Sydney for many years and attend several games a year. Over the last few years surprisingly the majority of fans attending the game are female (despite the riots, bad press etc) and of those females a large proportion are lebanese and many of these Muslim. I never see headscarfs but I do see lots of bare flesh and “bling”.
As another point of interest my work takes me every now and then to Bankstown Square mall which is in the heart of Muslim territory. 3 years ago when I visited it was full of women wearing the completely covered gear. Last month I was there and out of all the women I saw, only one was not in western gear. I know its not statistically valid but in my experience Lebanese women at least have already voted and the Shiek’s sermon was one of despair from the loser of the battle. They are becoming Australian very fast and there is no way back for him or the rest of the old guard.
#99 - The Leb girls don’t have to worry when there’s plenty of “Aussie sluts” to give it Leb style too. Why rape your own when the other white meat is available.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 26 at 09:52 PM • permalinkHow about if you leave the cat meat out uncovered and just wait nearby with a .22?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 26 at 09:54 PM • permalinkDoes anyone know where Nora and Charles live? For some reason, there’s no address on my invitation.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 10 26 at 09:55 PM • permalinkJohn Howard’s opinion.
Mick Keelty’s opinion.
One encourages Muslims to take action and the other blames the media for reporting the statements.
No prizes for guessing which is which.Posted by Motley Fool on 2006 10 26 at 09:55 PM • permalink#92—No, it isn’t you, and yes it is. Gets tougher every day. Did you notice all the qualifiers in the imam’s declaration? “If the woman is in her boudoir, in her house and if she’s wearing the veil and if she shows modesty, disasters don’t happen.” So, screw up on any one of the 4 premises, and you deserve—no, INVITE—disaster.
Where are all the lefty activists? Do they not comprehend what this mindset would do to those naked protests they seem so fond of?
"I am expecting a deluge of hate mail,” said Walid Ali of the Islamic Council of Victoria. “I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work.”
The Backlash Routine - AGAIN. The objects of hatred will be hateful. A recent Pew Poll in fact showed the opposite. There has actually been little backlash against Muslims as a whole despite these outrages.
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=254
Hilali got caught but people like Walid Ali play the multiculti game with real skill. And the first step in that game is make yourself the victim, even if the opposite is true.
Leftoids, on the other hand are into ‘complexity’ which must not be confused with being logically obtuse and ethically retarded. Pell speaks against abortion, doesn’t he? What makes him any less an oppressor of women than the good Sheik, etc?
Hard to decide which camp is more comical - or objectionable.
The fact of the matter is, we will never see eye to eye with the cultists, as one of our heads will be on the floor...The hope is, that it will be their heads.
They are so entrenched in 8th Century thinking and their cult book, there will never be a meeting of the minds. NOT that one would want to meet a mind such as, anyway.
‘They’ excel at, their very slick, sophisticated understanding of propaganda, and their lackey’s in the mainstream world media, that sell that propaganda to the masses.
Inurbnaus: Pell speaks against abortion, doesn’t he? What makes him any less an oppressor of women than the good Sheik, etc? Hard to decide which camp is more comical - or objectionable.
By defining people who ‘speak agisnt abortion’ as either ‘comical’ or ‘objectionable’, aren’t you painting yourself into an extremist corner?
Many would say that absurd abortion rates are a key to the predicted decline of Western Europe.
Is that censorable stuff?#102.
What? Don’t tell me that mine and Nicky’s invitation to you got lost in the post.That’s the last time I’ll use the Post And Courier Organisation for all the important mail.
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 10 26 at 10:30 PM • permalink#31 Because he heard some stories Ed like you heard stories. And not necessarily from orthodox believers either. Don’t forget the printing press was some way off being invented. By all means criticise Islam and Christianity, but don’t ever think they are somehow equal or similar - that is another academic fallacy.
#52 Cheers.But if the meat is outside the fridge, and the cats are inside the fridge, they won’t get it either. For a long, long, time. Trust me on this.
It’s been proven. The scumbags they locked up for a few decades for those Sydney rapes haven’t raped anyone since they shut that cooler door.
Posted by Do not beat around the Dubya on 2006 10 26 at 11:40 PM • permalinkHowzat
The problem is that the feminists were all Leftists. Today their Western daughters have aligned themselves with Islam and therefore cannot speak out for fear of betraying their higher ideals.I see the Islamic headdressing as one of three things:
It is done out of fear and submission
or
It is done because the Islamic women believe it is a symbol of their superiority to the rest of us in the immoral West
or
It is done out of ignorance, where the girls/women believe it is a religious and/or cultural tradition.You insensitive yobbos really ought to give this man a break. There’s obviously some kind of completely innocent cultural illiteracy going on here. He’s only been in Australia since what? 1982? Poor man probably hasn’t even had time to figure out the Western toilets yet!
Posted by The Sanity Inspector on 2006 10 27 at 12:33 AM • permalink7. kiwinews:
So when muslims castigate their wives, they’re really beating the meat?
That’s the comment of the thread, right there.
Posted by The Sanity Inspector on 2006 10 27 at 12:44 AM • permalinkLike a bad case of Delhi Belly, the Sheik just won’t quit.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 27 at 12:55 AM • permalinkKilali seems to be the poster boy for violating the first rule of holes.
Posted by RightWingNutter on 2006 10 27 at 01:30 AM • permalink#11 Oh dear.
Does anyone else see any similarities in the Koran and the Old Testament?
Posting such an inanity when ol’MentalFloss is in the room is just asking for it. Here we go...(prolly take a couple posts, forgive me Andrea)
Every trait, without exception, has the potential to cause either a sanctification of G-d’s Name or a desecration of G-d’s Name depending upon the circumstances in which, and the motivation with which, it is exercised.
Can we take that as given? Good.
That being said, the issue becomes one of proper discernment – the ability to distinguish between those situations which require mercy and forgiveness and those which require strict justice and vengeance (AND I STRESS THE COMMUNAL NATURE OF BOTH SITUATIONS).Anyway, this above “discernment” is no easy task as can be seen from the vantage point of one of the most perplexing incidents in the Torah, namely, the massacre at Shechem (see, if you wish, Gen. 34:1-31). On the surface, Scripture—that is to say, G-d—appears to adopt a neutral, or at least ambiguous, attitude towards this incident, with Jacob stridently condemning it, and Shimon and Levi just as stridently defending it, after which the text abruptly goes on to another subject. But a closer examination reveals that such is not actually the case.
To summarize: Shechem, son of King Chamor and Prince of the City of Shechem (the site of modern-day Nablus), kidnapped and raped Dina, Jacob’s daughter.
Prince Shechem then “fell in love with her” (as you do, eh?) and persuaded his father Chamor to negotiate a marriage contract for her with Jacob. Jacob’s sons, in an act of revenge, tricked all of the adult males of the City, including King Chamor and Prince Shechem, into circumcising themselves on the pretext that Dina would then become Prince Shechem’s wife and the Jewish nation would thereafter freely intermarry with the Shechemites until they became one people.
Shimon and Levi—what a couple of cut-ups, eh?
However, on the third day after the mass circumcision, when the Shechemites’ pain was the greatest, Shimon and Levi slaughtered all of the adult men of the city and freed Dina from Prince Shechem’s house. They then captured the city’s women and children, confiscated all of the people’s possessions, and departed.
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Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 27 at 01:34 AM • permalinkNow, at first glance (to some), it appears that Prince Shechem repented of his crime of rape by offering to make Dina his Princess, and that the entire adult male population of Shechem furthered this effort by agreeing to accept circumcision, thereby entitling the city to obtain mercy and forgiveness from Jacob’s family
.
And again, at first glance, it appears that Shimon and Levi responded to this repentance by breaking G-d’s Prohibitions against lying, murder and theft.But a closer examination is in order. The text relates that: “Jacob’s sons arrived from the field when they heard; the men were distressed and were fired deeply with indignation, for he [Prince Shechem] had perpetrated an outrage in Israel by lying with a daughter of Jacob - such a thing may not be done!” (Gen. 34:7).
Please note the use of the phrase “outrage in Israel” when the text otherwise refers to the name “Jacob”.
You might remember that G-d had changed Jacob’s name to “Israel” after Jacob’s confrontation with the angel on the east bank of the Jordan River. As the Torah relates: “He [the angel] said, ‘No longer will it be said that your name is Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with the Divine and with Man and have overcome.’” (Gen. 32:29).
After the massacre of Shechem, G-d reaffirmed this transformation: “Then G-d said to him, ‘Your name is Jacob. Your name shall not always be called Jacob, but Israel shall be your name.’ Thus, He called his name Israel.” (Gen. 35:10).
Clearly then, Scripture is making a distinction between the individual known as Jacob, father of Dina, and the nation of Israel which is named after, and led by, Jacob. As the text thereby reveals through its employment of the phrase “outrage in Israel”, in G-d’s Eyes Prince Shechem’s crime was not primarily directed against Dina or even against the Patriarch Jacob, as individuals, but rather against the embryonic Jewish nation and, by extension, against the G-d of Israel, as Protector of the Jewish nation.
This created a situation of national Chillul Hashem (desecration of G-d’s Name) requiring the Jewish nation to take immediate revenge against the City of Shechem in order to blot out the Chillul HaShem and thereby replace it with a Kiddush HaShem (sanctification of G-d’s Name).
Upon learning of the massacre, Jacob stridently rebuked Shimon and Levi. As the Torah relates: “Jacob said to Shimon and Levi, ‘You have gotten me into trouble and caused me to be repulsive to the Canaanites and Perrizites who live in the land. I am few in number, and should they band together and attack me, I will be annihilated—I and my household.’” (Gen. 34:30).
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Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 27 at 01:35 AM • permalinkPlease note carefully Jacob’s exact words; he does not question the morality of his sons’ actions, but only its practical consequences, namely, the fact that it might cause the surrounding nations to retaliate against him and his family. The censure of his sons was due to his mistaken belief that the doctrine of Pikuach Nefesh (avoidance of danger to life) excused the nation of Israel from exacting immediate revenge in response to the Chillul Hashem committed by Prince Shechem. But his sons’ next words silenced him, and these are the last human words recorded by the Torah on the subject: “And they said, ‘Should anyone be permitted to treat our sister like a prostitute? ‘“ (Gen. 34:31). Jacob’s silence in the face of his sons’ harsh response indicated his acknowledgment that their moral position was, indeed, correct.
Shortly thereafter we learn that: “They [Jacob and his family] set out, and there fell a G-dly terror on the surrounding cities, so that they [the inhabitants of the surrounding cities] did not pursue Jacob’s sons.” (Gen. 35:5). By extending His Divine Protection to Jacob’s sons, G-d Himself had the last Word—the brothers’ attack on the Shechemites was thereby justified and sanctified.
(Actually, this is not the only evidence of Divine Ratification of the brothers’ actions; for, generations later, the tribe of Shimon proudly displayed a picture of the City of Shechem on its tribal flag (see Num. 2:2; Bamidbar Rabbah 2:7), something that G-d would never have permitted if the incident was a badge of shame rather than a badge of honor, and the tribe of Levi became, inter alia, the tribe which produced Moses, the tribe which was appointed as protector of the Ark of the Covenant and the tribe which became the source, through Aaron, of the priestly line.)
I’m getting to the point now, OK? Thanks for hanging in there.
Why is this story in the Torah anyway? All of the above with no explanation of why the entire City of Shechem—rather than only Prince Shechem and, perhaps, his father, King Chamor—was deserving of death. Well, the Torah is like that – tell the story and let everyone have a looooong think about what it all means.
Cut straight to RAMBAM (Maimonides): In viewing the City of Shechem as a collection of individual citizens with individual responsibilities, he opines that: “All the residents of [the City of] Shechem incurred a death sentence because [Prince] Shechem stole and raped, and they saw and they knew, yet did not put him on trial”.
You probably see now where I am going with this. What we see here, in this very strange incident given such prominence in the Torah, is a philosophy in complete diametrical opposition to what Sheikh Hilali is preaching and all the texts and scholars of Islam that he cites.
Similarities between the Torah and Quran? A couple name and places (not Jerusalem, though – not even mentioned once in the Quran!) in common perhaps, but I will stand ready to debate anyone on any deeper or more significant commonalities.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 27 at 01:37 AM • permalinkUpdate III Not all the family are wackos if the daughter said her old man is sick. Does she spikka da English?
On a serious note -if that is possibble in this most sardonic of blogs, we should not be in a great rush to rid ourselves of this vermin. Clearly it cannot live without the sound of its own voice. Every time it opens its yap, we are reminded of life how it was prior to the Stone Age. Good -let it crap on the - more outrageous the better. This shit will get reported, and We The People will be continually reminded of the delights of islamist belief and the joys of living thereunder. The occasional scolding from the PM should be worth a couple of seats to him, at least.
Cheers
RodCCan anyone help me find the link to the “tits out” protest being planned outside the lakemba mosque this weekend in affirmation of womans rights?
Anyone?
Someone?
/cricketsCant see any refrences to it on this lefty t shirt site either just those darn pesky Christians again…
http://www.outspokenclothing.com/cgi-bin/cpshop.cgi/moralvaluesSomehting like this might pop shakey willys cork.
http://www.zombietime.com/breasts_not_bombs/Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 27 at 02:05 AM • permalink#145 frollickingmole - What an age we live in. At any other time in history the vaccuous, oxygen stealing, scrotum inflating, tits for knee warmers crowd would have starved and died in the gutter. Not only do they not starve, but the bounty of our capitalist harvest allows them to grow fat and abuse us with their mouths full. It is a serious flaw in the market and should be addressed.
And next time put a bloody warning up will ya!
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 27 at 05:44 AM • permalink
Wow, I didn’t think your cops (wallopers?) were that goofy. I wonder what Commissoner Keelty thinks of the Sheik’s contribution to “bias” against ISlam?