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TRAIN FLED

A minor electrical difficulty on a Melbourne train creates an ethical crisis for Helen Razer:

My first instinct was to claw my way out of the train. The second was to call my partner and bid an emotional farewell a la the passengers on Flight 77. Fortunately, I did neither. Instead, I looked in the fleeting darkness for the aggressor. My myopic mind’s eye found her. I’d registered the presence of a woman who looked to be about 19. She wore a hijab and a backpack.

“You racist shallow bastard,” I told myself.

Helen’s awareness of her shallow racism didn’t stop her fleeing the train. Interesting how the first hint of a threat turns peacenik leftists into frightened-of-Muslims terror tremblers. For example, Robert Fisk:

I remember, crossing the Atlantic on 11 September 2001 - my plane turned round off Ireland when the US closed its airspace - how the aircraft purser and I toured the cabins to see if we could identify any suspicious passengers. I found about a dozen, of course, totally innocent men who had brown eyes or long beards or who looked at me with “hostility”. And sure enough, in just a few seconds, Osama bin Laden turned nice, liberal, friendly Robert into an anti-Arab racist.

Anti-war leftists are remarkably inclined to fear if they perceive their own lives to be at risk.

Posted by Tim B. on 12/02/2006 at 10:49 AM
  1. Fisk touring the cabin of an airliner with the purser: “I found about a dozen, of course, totally innocent men who had brown eyes or long beards or who looked at me with ‘hostility’. If looking at Fisk with hostility is a measure of potential terrorist intentions, then there are a lot more terrorists in the world than heretofore suspected. Ulululululu!!!

    Posted by paco on 2006 12 02 at 11:06 AM • permalink

  2. Helen Razer? Helen Earth!

    Posted by splice on 2006 12 02 at 11:10 AM • permalink

  3. #2: During that particular episode, she was Helen Wheels.

    And what on earth does this comment mean: “It was peak hour and commuters were crammed into the carriages like neo-cons at a cockfight.” ??? Listen, baby: leave the hardboiled similes to the experts.

    Posted by paco on 2006 12 02 at 11:14 AM • permalink

  4. I bet she is Helen Bed as long as the lights are left on.

    Posted by Some0Seppo on 2006 12 02 at 11:36 AM • permalink

  5. That comment jumped out at me to, Paco, as well. So did the thing about “devout Christians trembling at a solar eclipse.”

    I am a devout Christian. I’ve seen solar eclipses. I didnt tremble.

    Ive also never been to a cockfight.Wouldnt know where to find one.

    Posted by debi L. on 2006 12 02 at 11:36 AM • permalink

  6. I’d say from her lame attempts at wit and the obivous direction her writing career is heading makes her Helen Ahandbasket.

    Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 12 02 at 11:44 AM • permalink

  7. Ah yes, throw in a bunch of gratuitous insults before you get to the slight problem that when she fears a terrorist attack, she knows exactly what to look for.

    And then insults herself for admitting it.

    Posted by Firehand on 2006 12 02 at 11:49 AM • permalink

  8. #5 Debi L: And how about this jaw-dropper - “I have long thought of Michael Moore as the left’s most agreeably concise ambassador. Up until “7/7” opened for business, I enjoyed his documentaries immensely. He is a soothing polemicist who made it easy for me to understand the Western world and all the fearful white middle-class people in it.” I hope Ms. Razer’s job is sufficiently lucrative to enable her to send money home to her brain from time to time.

    Posted by paco on 2006 12 02 at 11:52 AM • permalink

  9. What a nitwit.  As near as I can puzzle out, Ms. Helen is conflating “fear” with “natural caution”, and saying that to be naturally wary of people of Middle Eastern appearance (in this new, jihadi-afflicted world no less) is akin to being afraid of the innocent for no viable reason.

    In trying to explain away her own fear, she’s actually telling us that events like 9/11 and 7/7 and Bali shouldn’t matter because they didn’t happen in the immediate neighborhood.  And they were televised besides, so naturally most of us sheeple can’t tell the difference between that and a “real” event.

    Smug as well as being a nitwit.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 02 at 12:00 PM • permalink

  10. Simile and the world similes with you.  Metaphor, and you metaphor alone.

    Posted by rhhardin on 2006 12 02 at 12:07 PM • permalink

  11. Sexy Helen Achaiselounge contemplates joining in on the Bikini Riots.
    Meanwhile, I’ll be busy sticking my head into a wood chipper.

    Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 12 02 at 12:15 PM • permalink

  12. He found that people in Melbourne, “were fearful and cautious of sitting with, or near, others on public transport who they deemed to be of foreign or Middle-Eastern appearance”.

    I would guess Luke Howie laughs at creationists, and yet he seems to be denying, or ignoring, the millions of years of evolution that got us to this point.

    Fight, or flight. Survival of the fittest. And probably many other survival mechanisms that have helped humans survive and flourish. Does he really think we as a species have reached a point in our evolution that we are “better than that”?

    Posted by rinardman on 2006 12 02 at 12:24 PM • permalink

  13. Reason told me that the backpack contained text books and the headscarf contained an ordinary student

    That’s one tiny muslima.

    Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2006 12 02 at 12:41 PM • permalink

  14. More seriously:

    “You racist shallow bastard,” I told myself.

    Islam is not a race.

    Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2006 12 02 at 12:42 PM • permalink

  15. “commuters were crammed into the carriages like neo-cons at a cockfight.”

    “Trembling like a devout Christian at the onset of a solar eclipse”

    “the Western world and all the fearful white middle-class people in it.”

    “You racist shallow bastard,” I told myself.”

    Racism ain’t your problem, doll. But you sure do have a talent for categorizing and compartmentalizing people in the most risibly prejudicial fashion. I stand in awe.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2006 12 02 at 12:44 PM • permalink

  16. Boys in bikinis, Grrlz on surfboards
    Everybody rockin’, everybody groovin’
    Hanging round the riot, having fun…
    Chunky Helen Razer, baking in the sun

    Posted by splice on 2006 12 02 at 12:50 PM • permalink

  17. “That’s one tiny muslima.”

    Or a really large headscarf.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 12 02 at 01:19 PM • permalink

  18. Conservatives, “neocons”, and everyone else who takes seriously the threat of militant Islam, are usually described as frightened people, worked into their frothing state by their cynical, manipulative leaders like Bush, Rumsfeld, et. al., whose aim is to render us all into pants-wetting, lynch mobs with a succession of orange alerts. Articles like this reveal this whole fantasy to be yet another masterpiece of lefty projection, ascribing their own thrumming anxiety to their enemies in the hope of some vain relief.

    Posted by rick mcginnis on 2006 12 02 at 02:05 PM • permalink

  19. Rick: 

    You got it.  Projection, indeed.

    Should we be surprised?

    Name any one of the Left’s litany of evils—prejudice, stifling of dissent, rigging elections—and you’ll find sanctimonious, self-described ‘progressives’ up to their necks in it.

    Charlatans and frauds, every one of them.

    Posted by cosmo on 2006 12 02 at 02:07 PM • permalink

  20. Helen is rationalizing her own fears away from Islamic terrorists to….anything else, as near as I can tell.  To sun worshipping Christians, mayhaps.

    Helen is pretty much a clueless person.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 02 at 02:29 PM • permalink

  21. O/T, but Jules Crittenden has a funny take-off on Steve Irwin by a Marine in Iraq (“The IED Hunter”).

    Posted by paco on 2006 12 02 at 02:36 PM • permalink

  22. I looked in the fleeting darkness for the aggressor. My myopic mind’s eye found her.

    My Doberman Susie felt the same about curtains blowing at the window, but never found the actual Curtain Spirit behind it.

    She’d generally move to another room.

    Posted by rhhardin on 2006 12 02 at 02:47 PM • permalink

  23. Would it surprise anybody to know that she looks like this?

    Posted by murph on 2006 12 02 at 03:01 PM • permalink

  24. Dear Lord, another proud, peroxided sexual rebel on the ramparts of the progressive and orgiastic future.

    Also known in more sedate neighbourhoods as a nasty fat punk slag.

    Posted by rick mcginnis on 2006 12 02 at 03:07 PM • permalink

  25. He found that people in Melbourne, “were fearful and cautious of sitting with, or near, others on public transport who they deemed to be of foreign or Middle-Eastern appearance”.

    My mommy told me that we all shall be good and call them “of no appearance.” Naughty, naughty.

    Posted by ElectronPower on 2006 12 02 at 03:13 PM • permalink

  26. #22, my Boston Terrier felt the same way about active windshield wipers.  His response was to snarl and try to bite them through the glass.  He never felt guilty about it either.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 02 at 04:07 PM • permalink

  27. Swayed more by images and fridge magnets than reason, many of us are preoccupied with terrorism.

    That must be one hell of a fridge magnet.

    Posted by Teri on 2006 12 02 at 04:12 PM • permalink

  28. ...how the aircraft purser and I toured the cabins to see if we could identify any suspicious passengers…

    I have to wonder what made Fisk think that he was qualified to decide who was “suspicious” and who wasn’t. I’d imagine that if he went to the flight crew with a list of passengers he was worried about they’d either tell him to sit down and shut up or just ignore him altogether.

    I can’t imagine a flight attendant coming to him and requesting his assistance in ferreting out the terrorists on that flight.

    Posted by david on 2006 12 02 at 04:21 PM • permalink

  29. Razer has a “partner”?  Eeeuuuwww!

    Posted by Gravelly on 2006 12 02 at 04:24 PM • permalink

  30. “I can’t imagine a flight attendant coming to him and requesting his assistance in ferreting out the terrorists on that flight.”

    I think we can safely assume that Fisk’s story is, like most of his writings, pure fiction.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 12 02 at 04:29 PM • permalink

  31. If there is a bigger group of clueless people, I don’t know who it would be.  The left stands with the enemy, and as is usual in these cases, they are the very people who will be first in line to have their collective head chopped off at the nearest sports arena when their appeasement leads to a complete take-over.

    I suppose it is because they actively evade and deny the evidence that they are so fearful.  When you fail to integrate the information set before you, all you are left with is a terror that leaves you frozen when it is imperative that you act.

    Posted by saltydog on 2006 12 02 at 04:35 PM • permalink

  32. Refresh my memory, someone: At the back of my mind is some dim recollection of a fraudulent autobiography that turned out to be written by Ms Razer. Is my memory correct (like Chairman Kaga’s)? Or have I got her mixed up with someone else?

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 02 at 04:38 PM • permalink

  33. #22: Gulp! Nice doggie, NICE DOGGIE!!!

    Isn’t that a 25 pound weight your dog is carrying in her mouth? Fine looking animal, incidentally.

    #23: Oh, thanks, Murph. She looks like a circus horse.

    Posted by paco on 2006 12 02 at 04:59 PM • permalink

  34. Helen Razer was a presenter on ABC yoof network JJJ for a while - a long while, as I recall.
    That photo makes me think of Aus actor Gordon Chater in his role as the transvestite music teacher in The Elocution Of Benjamin Franklin. If I can find a picture I will post it for comparison.

    That story of Fisky on the plane seems fishy to me. Of all the White European Males on the plane - and presumably there were a few - the purser chose Fisk? Or did Fisk volunteer his services? (Image of Fisk jumping up and down in his seat, waving hand over head in true schoolboy style: “Sir! Sir! Pick ME, sir!”)
    Without verification I’m inlined to say it’s an invention meant to demonstrate how cruelly our evil xenophobic Western mores have buried themselves deep in the soul of liberal friendly Robert.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 02 at 05:25 PM • permalink

  35. #34: Actually, I think Fisk was just looking for an excuse to work his way back to the snack cart.

    Posted by paco on 2006 12 02 at 05:31 PM • permalink

  36. Helen and Fisk are just beating up on themselves for being what they are always beating up on others forbeing:  human.

    Though they always attribute similar reactions in others to more evil, sinister motives.

    Posted by Mark V. on 2006 12 02 at 05:44 PM • permalink

  37. Here’s Gordon Chater. Not in drag, unfortunately, but the resemblance to Chunky Razer is still fairly evident.
    #35 - paco: yeah, that I can believe.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 02 at 06:05 PM • permalink

  38. Helen and Robert probably both see terrorist as acting on legitimate greivances until they think they might be the victims.  Then they beat themselves up for thinking bad thoughts because how could it be that they are the victims.  ‘Activists’ ony kill those derserving it.

    Posted by Melanie on 2006 12 02 at 06:11 PM • permalink

  39. #22

    Just for the record, I saw a doco about Helen Razer some time ago. She has a disease or something of the eyes, she is legally blind.

    Myopic mind’s eye? Just matches the other ones.

    Posted by kae on 2006 12 02 at 06:13 PM • permalink

  40. So, Fisk is an Air Marshall?

    Posted by kae on 2006 12 02 at 06:14 PM • permalink

  41. Swinish, how’s the project going?

    Posted by kae on 2006 12 02 at 06:17 PM • permalink

  42. #39 - She was temporarily blind

    Posted by Melanie on 2006 12 02 at 06:30 PM • permalink

  43. Kae, I’ve located a supplier for the Soland Cake Mix. Not actually stocked here in WA, I am going to organise the purchase after I get back from Melbourne in early January.
    I’m thinking I will have a considerable number of Saturday afternoons available over the next few months. Been checking the listings at the various cinemas and it looks like slim pickings.
    Cake making, combined with gin and tonic and Scott Walker or Al Stewart on the CD player - there are worse ways to pass a few hours.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 02 at 06:32 PM • permalink

  44. The one neighbor I had who raised fighting roosters was totally apolitical. Only reason he voted at all was that was what it took to get your garbage collected in Chicago.

    Posted by triticale on 2006 12 02 at 06:52 PM • permalink

  45. Please excuse this OT

    I sit here watching our annual U.S. Military Academy (Army) play the U.S. Naval Academy.

    Wonderful event, with past military leaders in attendance as well as present military leaders….and of course our future military leaders, in their present day battle, playing American College football.

    And I can’t help but think of John Kerry, saying in so many words ” The Ignorant Losers” in our military.

    Now in the U.S. Senators recommend the appointments of these “Ignorant Losers” to this Academies and their education that I believe is a free education in exchange for a 5 year commitment to each of their respective military branches…Army or Navy.

    How many of these “Ignorant Losers” did you recommend for this education and military commitment, in your Senate tenure, Senator Loser?

    I despise you John Kerry and I sincerely hope you catch a great case of the clap or worse, from your present bitchy woman…her name escapes me…but Mrs. Pickle.

    As you can’t be the only “Ignorant Loser” she doing the deed with.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 02 at 06:53 PM • permalink

  46. Swinish my friend, please do tell, How Swinish got his raise.

    I’m here now…and still may be after I take some medication…but for how long…I have damn NO idea…:).

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 02 at 06:56 PM • permalink

  47. I knew Helen back in Canberra, years ago. She was always a bit dorky, confused, bitter and unbalanced, but not a bad person and I quite liked her. At the time we both would have had the same clueless lefty student ideas, but we both would have had the excuse of callow youth.

    Here we are (fifteen?) years later, I’ve been working out in the real world and I’ve grown up, she’s been working in the sheltered workshop for retards known as JJJ and Jesus Christ, look at her. I mean seriously, she’s fucked in the head.

    That’s the tax-funded hothouse of our state media, these are the deformed flowers that grow in it. A little sad.

    Posted by Amos on 2006 12 02 at 07:16 PM • permalink

  48. I’m amazed that the Spencer Street Soviet hasn’t gone down the gurgler.  It’s a sad state of affairs that a rag like the Age is supported enough Victorians to keep it afloat.

    Posted by Ubique on 2006 12 02 at 07:17 PM • permalink

  49. Sorry, clicked wrong button (it’s the start of daylight saving here).  That should read: “...is supported by enough Victorians..

    Posted by Ubique on 2006 12 02 at 07:20 PM • permalink

  50. Too bad Flight 77 wasn’t the one with all the passenger calls.  That was Flight 83.

    Posted by Donnah on 2006 12 02 at 07:21 PM • permalink

  51. I blame HoWARd’s artifical climate of fear for creating the environment when a caring leftwing progressive like Helen is reduced to an alarmed terrorist-spotting racist, afraid to catch public transport. Vote Greens.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2006 12 02 at 07:28 PM • permalink

  52. #48 The end could be nigh for the Age (dream on) if today’s loopy ‘Let’s bring poor David Hicks home’ campaign is any indication.  You can register your support by emailing bringdavidhome@theage.com.au

    I pass that on as a public service, in the full confidence that no-one on this thread would misuse it, or behave in anything other than a mature and responsible manner.

    Posted by cuckoo on 2006 12 02 at 07:43 PM • permalink

  53. #52, does the Age specify what method is to be used to bring him home? I suggest a pine box.

    Re: Razer, she uses the leftists’ best friend, the personal pronoun a little too often, and what the hell is she on about? The trains’ light flickers and she’s staring at Muslims? What does she do in a cinema?

    Posted by Nic on 2006 12 02 at 08:02 PM • permalink

  54. ... I felt the stuff of my limbs just sort of dilute. I knew the hectic ripple of anxiety attacks, but this monstrous wave diminished them all. In this tidal flourish of despair, no buoyancy seemed possible. In an instant, I was sweaty and breathless and as sure as I have ever been that my life was in immediate danger

    I looked in the fleeting darkness for the aggressor. My myopic mind’s eye found her. I’d registered the presence of a woman who looked to be about 19. She wore a hijab and a backpack

    .

    If I had a reaction anything like that to a flickering light on a train and a girl wearing a scarf, I would keep very very quiet about it. It would be a matter strictly between me and the therapist.

    Nor am I at all surprised that all it took to turn Fisk from a “nice, friendly, liberal” to the leader of a mob wearing pointy hats and carrying burning torches was a diverted plane.

    This phenomenon is well known. These people live in crippling irrational fear and moral cowardice. Just simmering beneath the surface is an ugly violent racism ready to errupt at any moment. The fear and the hate they project onto others. It is this that drives their politics and underpins everything they say and write.

    This also explains their frequent outbursts of
    antisemitism. Like Dr Strangelove’s right arm, they are unable to suppress it for long.

    And which has been well documented.

    The correlation was almost perfect. In a survey of 5,000 Europeans in ten countries, people who believed that the Israeli soldiers “intentionally target Palestinian civilians,” and that “Palestinian suicide bombers who target Israeli civilians” are justified, also believed that “Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind,” “Jews have a lot of irritating faults,” and “Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.”

    The study’s other interesting finding was that only a small fraction of Europeans believe any of these things. Anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism flourish among the few, but those few are over-represented in Europe’s newspapers, its universities, and its left-wing political parties.

    For Americans who do not read the European press, the level of raw anti-Semitism in European intellectual circles can be shocking

    Posted by geoff on 2006 12 02 at 08:03 PM • permalink

  55. Yes, Nic, how exactly does Helen think the little Muslim girl is causing the train to malfunction?  By thought waves, or the control box in her backpack?  And they call us paranoid.  And as Dave observed, in exactly what kind of fantasy world does someone like Harrison Ford, oops, I mean Robert Fisk, suddenly get recruited as an impromptu Sky Marshal?  I can just see the hostie being approached by Fiskie, and making frantic signals behind her back for ‘GET THE CUFFS”.

    Posted by cuckoo on 2006 12 02 at 08:08 PM • permalink

  56. El Cid, you still there?
    Sit down, here’s the tale.
    About a month ago I raised the subject with the boss. His response was less than encouraging - he said, ‘Haven’t we had this conversation already?’ Yes, we have, I said. That was a year back.
    Nothing more is said. I grow increasingly pissed off with my situation, and I’m psyching myself up to quit. Several reasons, among them the repeated breakdowns in the various computer type devices in the office. This firm, I should add, markets computers and related technologies, and services and repairs same. That we should be unable to make our own equipment work properly - to me, it’s like Boeing sending out Jumbos minus the wings.
    Also, as in every workplace, there are the problem makers and the problem solvers. I am one half of the problem-solving team in a staff of 25-30 people. So, after a few weeks of smouldering at my desk, last Sunday I decided it was time to take action. A short letter saying, This is what I think the job is worth, this is what I will accept as a fair compromise, if you can’t meet this figure I’m gone, and good luck in your search for my replacement. (No idle sneer. The average tenure in this job over ten years has been roughly twelve months, and I’m well over that.)
    Handed the letter to the boss Monday morning, Monday afternoon he calls me in. “When I said that about having had the conversation, I was being sarcastic. I thought you of all the people here would have known that.” Well, no I didn’t. “As is happens, I’ve asked the office admin to pull your file. I was intending to review your pay this week.” Great! Two people knew about this and neither of them mentioned it to me! “You’re a valuable member of the team here. But don’t ever throw an ultimatum down on me like that again.” Okay, I won’t. And just out of curiosity, how large a raise am I getting? “You’ve asked for a little more than I was intending to give you. And the job is changing next year, so your workload will be reduced. But I’m going to meet your figure.”
    So. I was needlessly aggressive, I misinterpreted him, I will actually have a few tasks taken off my plate, and still I get a hundred percent of what I asked for. I’m happy, but I wonder - kind of a fucked-up message is that?
    Sorry about the long post. But I think you’ll all understand why I wasn’t at the rally last Thursday…

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 02 at 08:34 PM • permalink

  57. Reading her article, the thought recurred to me, “why are leftoids so verbose”? I mean, it’s like looking for raisins in porridge.

    Posted by mad doc on 2006 12 02 at 08:45 PM • permalink

  58. Article such as this and the current ‘Airport Imams’ controversy in the US are going to lead to a situation where law-enforcement’s best eyes and ears - the observant public - become crippled by political correctness, and a failure to report anything suspicious for fear of being branded a racist.

    This is of course exactly what Islamist groups want.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 12 02 at 08:46 PM • permalink

  59. SwinishCapitalist

    Excellent my friend.

    You damn sure put IT on the line and his balls to the wall. Did he like that?...Why hell NO, but he blinked.

    Personally, I don’t believe you were needlessly aggressive AND If there were any misinterpretation, it began with HIM. ‘Haven’t we had this conversation already?’..Indeed we have…and now it got stuck up your kazoo, Sir…One must always be nice… and use the Sir...LOL.

    I hoist a Tanqueray, in your name. Bravo, Swinish.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 02 at 08:59 PM • permalink

  60. Aw, shucks…

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 02 at 09:34 PM • permalink

  61. Oops! I was thinking of Helen Darville. Which now leaves me wondering: Who the Hell is this Helen Razer??

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 02 at 09:39 PM • permalink

  62. Robert Fisk is surely the most self-important blowhard to get a writing gig. Does anyone really believe that he “toured the cabin” with the aircraft purser “to see if [they] could identify any suspicious passengers”? Either he’s lying or the purser should be sacked.

    Posted by Hanyu on 2006 12 02 at 09:41 PM • permalink

  63. #34, SwinishCapitalist: Sorry, missed your comment. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Very fishy indeed.

    Posted by Hanyu on 2006 12 02 at 09:43 PM • permalink

  64. #45 - El Cid - GO NAVY! BEAT ARMY! WooHOO!!!

    With apologies, Texas Bob, as I love all our Men & Women in uniform. But 22 years as a Navy Wife, y’know?

    Back On Topic - Helen looks quite similar to a pig, to me. Apologies to the pig. Her attitudes are certainly open & accepting, aren’t they. Are other people actually attracted to a mouth that looks like that? Gives me the creeps…And Fisk is a guy who makes things up out of whole cloth. Done it before, has no problem doing it now. Wouldn’t believe him (IF I read him or watched him) if he told me the sky’s blue till I’d checked it myself. C.Y.A. dontchaknow…

    Posted by KC on 2006 12 02 at 10:08 PM • permalink

  65. I’m thouroughly tired of hearing idiot lefties telling us how “fearful” we all are.  I am not fearful about terrorism, and nor is anybody I know in a very wide circle of friends, acquaintances and workmates.

    Menatlly unstable types like Helen Razer, Phillip Adams and Robert Fisk are either projecting their own irrationality on everyone around them, or are so prejudiced in their thinking about their fellow countrymen that they have lost touch with what people are really thinking.

    Australians are NOT afraid of terrorism.  We are well aware that the chances of being injured in a terrorist attack are vanishingly small.

    That doesn’t mean that we don’t take the issue seriously, or don’t support reasonable security laws that will help our police and ASIO address the problem.  After all, it represents deliberate, planned hostile actions against our population.  It is an existential challenge that must be responded to.

    But we don’t need deranged and fearful lefties telling us that “we” are all like them!  The fact that they then get all guilt-ridden about their stupidity just makes them even more pathetic.

    TFK

    Posted by TFK on 2006 12 02 at 10:40 PM • permalink

  66. “...She wore a hijab and a backpack…”.

    Joke I heard the other day.  Two women in hijabs trying out backpacks in a store.  One says to the other “Does my bomb look big in this?”

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2006 12 02 at 11:13 PM • permalink

  67. I vaguely remember Helen Razer having an experience with a stalker a few years back which made her have some kind of mental illness and caused her to hide for a few years

    Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 12 02 at 11:28 PM • permalink

  68. “My first instinct was to claw my way out of the train” ... too bad she didn’y carry it out ... would have presented evidence that she is a loon

    Posted by egg_ on 2006 12 02 at 11:38 PM • permalink

  69. Possibly o/t:  Have the MOMEA put in another stealth appearance in Melbourne?

    Posted by Achillea on 2006 12 03 at 12:11 AM • permalink

  70. #69.  Fled to India after being interviewed by police… Multiple passports?

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2006 12 03 at 12:48 AM • permalink

  71. Blimey. Just waded through that article.

    She is only semi-literate at best. it is riddled with grammatical and logical errors, warped facts and false data.

    How can such a person claim to be a writer? her writing is verbose, sloppy and poorly structured.

    Lamentable stuff indeed.

    MarkL
    Camberra

    Posted by MarkL on 2006 12 03 at 01:06 AM • permalink

  72. I had joined the coalition of the nervous and I wasn’t at all certain why

    I guess it was because people killed other people in a form of transport closely approximating to the one she was travelling in, it had been widely publicised and, on spotting a girl of the same cultural bent as the aforementioned killers,  she drew a possible parallel.
    In other words, she was apprehensive for real and solid reasons, not manufactured fantasies.
    What a nudnik!

    Posted by carpefraise on 2006 12 03 at 01:16 AM • permalink

  73. #32 I believe you’re thinking of Helen Darville’s The Hand that Signed the Paper.
    This lady is also blond and is now a lawyer/writer who has spoken freely of “her integrity” as a writer.

    Posted by carpefraise on 2006 12 03 at 01:24 AM • permalink

  74. #77 Blimey. Just waded through that article.

    She is only semi-literate at best. it is riddled with grammatical and logical errors, warped facts and false data.

    How can such a person claim to be a writer? her writing is verbose, sloppy and poorly structured.

    Lamentable stuff indeed.

    But perfectly good for The Age.

    Posted by Young and Free on 2006 12 03 at 01:25 AM • permalink

  75. #57

    Apapperently Ms Razer started but did not finish an Arts degree.
    It has long been my view that because of this - and in an attempt to prove that she REALLY is intellectual - she uses far, far more words than is ever necessary to describe anything.
    Be grateful you have nor read her earlier turgid writings - you think this is bad!

    Fortunately she is far more concise when doing her radio show.

    Posted by carpefraise on 2006 12 03 at 01:39 AM • permalink

  76. *67 Razer was also bullied at school - really nasty stuff.

    Posted by carpefraise on 2006 12 03 at 01:43 AM • permalink

  77. Tim, your old pal Jim Schembri had one of those “OMG I can’t believe I was so racist and thought some poor guy on the train might be a terrorist” moments a few months back too.  Looks like The Age is recycling story ideas.

    Posted by Caz on 2006 12 03 at 01:49 AM • permalink

  78. I wish I could get easy money by writing about everyday experiences for the national press.

    Ten years ago I changed carriages on a crowded, peak-hour suburban train because the bearded, swarthy male opposite me with a back-pack at his feet was reading from a book in Arabic and talking to himself with his eyes closed. It was creepy, that’s all.

    Posted by walterplinge on 2006 12 03 at 02:20 AM • permalink

  79. #64 Auntie KC, congrats on the whopping victory. Army really got pummeled.
    In celebration I think I’ll put a choke hold on our Navy LT. Of course, I’ll tell him it’s in honor of my Auntie KC!

    Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 12 03 at 02:43 AM • permalink

  80. #77

    Well spotted, Caz.

    Of course, for lefties, the number one rule is that it’s all about me, so I guess this is the only way they can think of to get themselves in a story about terrorism and satisfy their daily personal pronoun quota.

    That being the case, I bet there are a few other articles out there following the same prototype.

    Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 12 03 at 02:57 AM • permalink

  81. Helen Razer is almost a caricature of an angry, self important, shrieking and perpetually indignant activist. If she was suddenly granted self awareness - she would die of embarrassment. But, like the vast bulk of lefties, and those in the broader counter culture, they do not, when push comes to shove, have the courage of their convictions.

    Fortunately for me, my anger with such fools has slowly changed to hilarious bemusement. I have brought myself to a point where I can laugh right in their faces. I live in an area saturated with such fools. A little while back I saw a long haired filthy stranger with a pushbike that had a sign on it smugly proclaiming, “One less car on the road.” I pointed to the sign and said, “Thanks mate, now I can get second car.”

    Posted by Penguin on 2006 12 03 at 03:25 AM • permalink

  82. #56 Swinish

    “When I said that about having had the conversation, I was being sarcastic. I thought you of all the people here would have known that.”

    Perhaps your boss went to the Antony Loewenstein school of “post-sarcasm”, where a genuinely self-indulgent or genuinely stupid comment, regretted later is mutely claimed to have been non-genuine sarcasm.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 12 03 at 03:28 AM • permalink

  83. #58 Very true Dan and, as well as crippling our defences with political correctness, we are giving the enemy far too much information by publishing every little detail of the attacks in the media.
    The apologists seem to have forgotten that these crazies have been killing people in aircraft for decades. They are constantly perfecting new techniques and trying them out with dummy runs to test our defences.
    I was personally involved where a trial attack on a flight was thwarted by profiling.  Without our use of profiling, the attackers would probably have been successful.
    No details of the attack were released to the media.
    As always, the PC nuts will be the ones bleating loudest about poor airport security procedures after the next successful attack.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2006 12 03 at 03:36 AM • permalink

  84. Dan, it may not be clear that I was referring to your comment a #58 and not the one from you that suddenly appeared above mine at #83.
    Just so you know.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2006 12 03 at 03:45 AM • permalink

  85. #82 - Dan, you’ve got me wondering now. Next time I’m in his office I’ll be checking the certificates on his wall.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 03 at 04:15 AM • permalink

  86. #76, 67, Okay, commence whining and bleating now.

    She’s been stalked and bullied, and is now traumatised, poor thing.

    My care factor? SFA.

    Welcome to life, Helen. Speaking as one of the sisterhood, I’ve been stalked, been bullied, been smacked around, too, and you know what?

    I got over it!

    Shit happens. If you want to use it as grist for your “comedic” mill, then make it funny and concise, not turgid and dull.

    Get over yourself, too.

    I repeat: Shit happens.

    And there are worse things that can happen, too, girlfriend. Your little muslimah with the backpack could be carrying a bomb.

    Happened in London, and there are people here who thought it was a damn fine thing to do, so it could happen here, too.

    Whining and bleating over.

    Note to readers: ancient history is just that, and should never be used as an excuse to not grow up and just get on with life.

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 03 at 04:53 AM • permalink

  87. I was personally involved where a trial attack on a flight was thwarted by profiling.  Without our use of profiling, the attackers would probably have been successful.

    Speaking of profiling, here’s more youth in France on the rampage.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/061124/sports/sports_soccer_psg_violence_col

    Oh whoops! These youthare   white neo-nazis!  Sorry must be the wrong youth.

    Posted by Tim McVeigh on 2006 12 03 at 05:10 AM • permalink

  88. #73 Carpefraise -  I think you will find that Ms Darville got a really , really bad press, mainly because she had embarrassed the wrong people (mostly the sort people here would just love to embarrass).  She had organised her pseudonym with the university that she was attending when writing the novel. 
    She has moved on considerably since then, and blogs/comments around the local blogosphere.  She has even commented here once I believe.

    Posted by entropy on 2006 12 03 at 05:23 AM • permalink

  89. #86, Nilknarf Arbed:

    Here, here.

    Of course, we must understand that these things happened TO HER!  It is one thing for the proles to have stuff happen to them, but these things happened TO HER!

    One would think that she would be embarrassed beyond the color of beets to admit the things she did in that article—and to do it so badly is simply beyond what mere embarrassment would convey.

    Posted by saltydog on 2006 12 03 at 05:26 AM • permalink

  90. #87, if there is one thing I hate more than fucking nazis, its fucking soccer fans. 

    What’s your point?

    Posted by entropy on 2006 12 03 at 05:26 AM • permalink

  91. #87 One more thing: Aren’t you dead yet?

    Posted by entropy on 2006 12 03 at 05:27 AM • permalink

  92. #58, Dan Lewis:

    The government is not the people.  The universities are not the people.  The media is certainly not the people.  The people stopped Richard Reid from lighting his shoes.  The people got those Islamic “scholars” thrown off the plane.  The people crashed Flight 93 into the ground when they realized what was going on.  The powers that think they are the be-all may say and do all they will, but the people know what is what and will act on that knowledge when it is necessary.

    Posted by saltydog on 2006 12 03 at 05:32 AM • permalink

  93. #87 One more thing: Aren’t you dead yet?

    No, my spirit lives on in this blog.

    Posted by Tim McVeigh on 2006 12 03 at 05:37 AM • permalink

  94. Oh Look! Its Miranda Divide’s idiot dead brother Tim McVeigh stopping by to drop a turd in the punchbowl!  Hey Tim, didn’t you get the memo? You’re only supposed to shit once and leave. See Miranda.

    Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 12 03 at 05:44 AM • permalink

  95. Speaking of which, how about that white English former member of the BNP who was caught with what “Officers claim that their find is the largest haul of chemicals of its kind discovered in someone’s home in the country.” And yet hardly mention in the mainstream media…one would think there is a bias towards describing only Muslims as terrorists…

    Posted by Tim McVeigh on 2006 12 03 at 05:52 AM • permalink

  96. I’ll make a bet that Tim Mc has about six hours remaining before Andrea administers his 2nd lethal injection. Any takers?

    Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 12 03 at 06:00 AM • permalink

  97. #96. I’ll make a bet that Tim Mc has about six hours remaining before Andrea administers his 2nd lethal injection. Any takers?

    And I thought Texans believed in Free Speech?

    Posted by Tim McVeigh on 2006 12 03 at 06:09 AM • permalink

  98. 97.And I thought Texans believed in Free Speech?
    We certainly do. Feel free to speak your mind on the topic of this thread at anytime. Most everyone here welcomes a differing opinion.  Continue to throw off-topic comments insinuating that the members here are white supremacists /neo-nazis and I’ll continue to call you on it. Little doubt you are simply a re-incarnation of some previously banned troll.  You won’t be around much longer (at least under this name). C’ya.

    Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 12 03 at 06:19 AM • permalink

  99. #56, Swinish,

    Hey!  Me too!  I got a pay rise this week and in more or less similar circumstances to yours.  After over two years on starter’s rates and two or three ignored suggestions that maybe it was time to increase my pay I’d had enough.  So I wrote to the boss, pointed out that I could earn much more doing work that was far less demanding and said I needed to consider my future.  And now I’m earning half again as much as I was earning last week.

    If the business owners need you and are doing good enough work themselves to stay in business they will come to the party.  If they need you but are doing crap work themselves and losing business then you’re better off out of there and finding work with some better run organisation. 

    The Age is obviously a poorly run organisation.  That it would publish such a long-winded, poorly argued, poorly structured piece of writing as the linked article by Helen Razer means the editors aren’t doing their jobs which means that the managers aren’t doing their jobs which means that sooner or later something must give for that lot.  May it be sooner.  They are a boil on the bum of our society.

    And Timothy McVeigh is dead.

    Posted by Janice on 2006 12 03 at 06:22 AM • permalink

  100. I bet the real Tim McVeigh always wanted to be a lefty troll, too. What a credit to that side of the blogosphere.

    Posted by PW on 2006 12 03 at 06:27 AM • permalink

  101. Texas Bob

    You won’t be around much longer (at least under this name). C’ya.

    You got that right…We will no doubt see a Terry Nichols, or a Michael Fortier, take its place.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 03 at 06:31 AM • permalink

  102. 90 entropy

    What’s your point?

    Good question, for it certainly can’t be lonely, rotting in hell.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 03 at 06:34 AM • permalink

  103. 97

    And I thought Texans believed in Free Speech?

    We ALL do!...Keep commenting, you will definitely see that ALL of us believe in “Free Speech”. You’ll love it…:).

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 03 at 06:38 AM • permalink

  104. #99 - Janice, well done!
    As I’ve said before, my current boss is a basically decent guy. But I do think he needed a scare, and that I gave him.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 03 at 07:20 AM • permalink

  105. Nearly time for bed. Gin and tonics, two of, plus the start of daylight saving, plus some gardening… hell, I’m boogered.
    Night Tim, night Andrea, night Cid, night Janice, night Miranda - whoops, I mean, mcveigh…
    Night all!

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 03 at 07:24 AM • permalink

  106. The women is either a comedian or a very bad writer.

    Posted by davod on 2006 12 03 at 08:25 AM • permalink

  107. PS:  I should not have implied either or.

    Posted by davod on 2006 12 03 at 08:25 AM • permalink

  108. I remember Helen Razer getting a smackdown from Lemmy from Motorhead, after she made some moronic comment dissing war veterans.

    Posted by Tex on 2006 12 03 at 08:49 AM • permalink

  109. Helen Razer - 

    I looked in the fleeting darkness for the aggressor. My myopic mind’s eye found her. I’d registered the presence of a woman who looked to be about 19. She wore a hijab and a backpack.

    “You racist shallow bastard,” I told myself.

    #89 saltydog -

    One would think that she would be embarrassed beyond the color of beets to admit the things she did in that article—and to do it so badly is simply beyond what mere embarrassment would convey.

    Personally I suspect all leftists and liberals are racists.  Much more so that rightwingers and conservatives.

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 12 03 at 09:45 AM • permalink

  110. I notice our multi-named, resident troll always leaves his droppings right around the same time of the day (it’s nice to be regular), and then vanishes.  He’ll be back later with some more offtopic, beside the point irrelevancy, bashing John Howard or America or white people.

    Very creative, using Tim McVeigh.  Much more imaginative than calling yourself Adolph Hitler.  Osama’s Bitch would be more fitting, though.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 03 at 10:32 AM • permalink

  111. Hey hey, Tim McVeigh
    How many kids did you kill today?

    None, ‘cos you’re a stinky corpse.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 12 03 at 10:50 AM • permalink

  112. PS: I didn’t ban him yet. I’m keeping him around as an experiment. I wonder how much facts and logic (and superior wit) he’ll be able to take from you guys before he dissolves into a spitting, frothing rage.

    By the way, his IP address resolves to Canberra.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 12 03 at 10:53 AM • permalink

  113. When I see a woman in a hijab, backpack optional, I go all lefty and think about the oppression of women through a patriachial society in Islamic states. (Did I get the lefty wording right?) Now my thoughts are vindicated knowing that some lefty tart (that would be Helen) is having the thoughts I’m suppose to be having as a neo-con right wing bastard. The world has balance again :).

    Posted by Justin on 2006 12 03 at 11:06 AM • permalink

  114. I pointed to the sign and said, “Thanks mate, now I can get second car.”

    LOL, Penguin!  I would have paid cash to watch that.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 03 at 11:18 AM • permalink

  115. And Timothy McVeigh is dead.

    Funny, a troll adopts the name of an American turned domestic terrorist, who was eventually executed for mass murder.  A little fact that our latest troll conveniently forgets in his/her attempt to smear this blog as neo-nazis, or some crap like that. 

    And then “McVeigh” whines about free speech being “crushed” by Andrea. 

    My irony meter survived this, just barely.  But the paralells of these McVeighs are simply
    delicious

    See, “McVeigh”?  Be careful whilst cherry picking your facts, else you get bit on the butt.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 03 at 11:32 AM • permalink

  116. Well, dang!  I spelled parallel wrong.  Sorry, I was laughing too hard at “McVeigh”‘s pathetic posts.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 03 at 11:33 AM • permalink

  117. Last Rites for Pinochet

    Oh damn, and we have a poster who claims Pinochet as a nic.These posters who claim the nic’s of the famous or infamous throughout history…ridiculous. Like that poster who is nic’d El Ci…shit, that’s ME.

    I just may have to make a nic change, say to Joe Cid..or Pete, or some such. Ummmm, no can’t be Pete Cid..may bring back bad memories to Paco and make him ill…Damn, what to do, what to do?

    HEY! I could go with PepCid, huh?

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 03 at 12:17 PM • permalink

  118. “Speaking of profiling, here’s more youth in France on the rampage.”

    Speaking of the appropriate way to deal with terrorists of any stripe, I hope you noticed that a French police officer whipped out his popgun and killed one of the terrorists, and wounded another, thus obviating the need to apply racial profiling to track them down.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 12 03 at 01:26 PM • permalink

  119. Pretty much any cop in the Western world is going to profile any skinhead he sees into the ‘potential problem’ category.  It’s not the exclusive province of MOMEA.  What is it with lefties and their complete inability to grasp more than one element of anything?  One might even start to think they lack nuance.

    Posted by Achillea on 2006 12 03 at 02:16 PM • permalink

  120. One might even start to think they lack nuance.

    If, by “nuance”, you mean “a brain”, Achillea, I agree.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 03 at 02:46 PM • permalink

  121. #79 - Texas Bob, you do exactly that, eh? I have an old Army Sgt/Navy Chief attitude toward many LT’s - so throttle away! Of course, everyone knows I had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of that game - I prefer ‘em well-fought & close…ah well. Still got the paint on my truck, though it ran some since it rained soon after I wrote it. Think I’ll leave it there for a few more days…till Pearl Harbor Day, anyway.

    Keepin’ you & yours in my prayers, with much gratitude.

    Posted by KC on 2006 12 03 at 03:37 PM • permalink

  122. My “fear” of Islamofascist terrorism generally has little to do with concerns for my personal safety. The effects of 9-11 were far-ranging and in many ways quite devastating. They ripple still and most likely will continue to do so for some time to come. In typical leftist fashion, Ms. Razer sees little beyond that which occurs under her own nose. And she comes off as very much the girlie-man manly-girl. Note to Helen: Probably best if you steer clear of the NYC subway system.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 12 03 at 03:49 PM • permalink

  123. #122, Kyda Sylvester:

    In typical leftist fashion, Ms. Razer see little beyond that which occurs under her own nose.

    That is exactly what I mean when I say these people operate on the perceptual level of awareness.  Too many are incapable to drawing parallels (nod to TRJS) or understanding anything based on principles drawn from experiences in the real world.  Troll McVeigh is a prime example, as are most trolls.  If someone hasn’t told them what to think, they’re lost.  It is as though something turned off the rational faculty that ought to make them human.  Couldn’t be the educational system, could it?  Nah.  That would be cruel and inhuman beyond the horror chambers of Gitmo.

    Posted by saltydog on 2006 12 03 at 04:30 PM • permalink

  124. Auntie KC:

    GO NAVY!

    Yeeeehaw!

    Posted by saltydog on 2006 12 03 at 04:32 PM • permalink

  125. Interesting how the first hint of a threat turns peacenik leftists into frightened-of-Muslims terror tremblers.

    They’re already profoundly terrified by Muslims.  But their fear is so paralyzing that they cannot even confront it; they transfer it instead to anybody they think might set the muzzies off…

    “Neo-cons at a cockfight.”  Please.  My gardener goes to cockfights.  I attend bear baitings… when I can’t get richer meat: “One convict!  Twelve hungry pit bulls!  You pick the winner!”

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 12 03 at 05:48 PM • permalink

  126. I sure hope Tom Gara is still reading this blog despite getting banned from commenting. I recall he was quite insistent on his belief that right-wingers only want to fight terrorists because we’re afraid for our own lives all the time.

    Posted by PW on 2006 12 03 at 06:12 PM • permalink

  127. #6 Just a bit O/T Why do we all go to hell in a hand basket, rather than a panier or jute sack or coal skuttle for example?

    Surely we all go to hell in a wooden box.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 03 at 06:14 PM • permalink

  128. Yet another bullshit article about terrorism which tries to claim that because terrorism is statistically “rare”, it is “irrational” to afraid of it…

    ...as if terrorism is just another form of unavoidable natural disaster. Bullshit.

    Posted by closeapproximation on 2006 12 03 at 06:28 PM • permalink

  129. Troll calls itself McVeigh, though the famous (infamous) guy headed straight to Satan’s domain long time ago. I’d think a mental illness which makes one act that way must be Hell itself. So, it gets pity from me, but the same kind of pity I use for an injured squirrel in the road - put it out of it’s misery as quickly & painlessly as possible.

    After we see if it’ll spit & froth first, though!

    Posted by KC on 2006 12 03 at 06:33 PM • permalink

  130. #51 Rebase

    [I]“I blame HoWARd’s artifical climate of fear..”[/I}

    No, no, isn’t Howard AGAINST the climate and isn’t it the progressives who pretend to a climate of change??

    Oh, I am so confused ...

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 03 at 06:36 PM • permalink

  131. #52 Thanks for the public service announcement. It took full advantage to wish Hicks well[\strike] hell.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 03 at 06:46 PM • permalink

  132. Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 03 at 07:16 PM • permalink

  133. “You racist shallow bastard,” I told myself.

    Wow, deja vu.  I had the same experience, sort of…..

    I was watching Deliverence (I’ve seen it about a hundred and sixty-seven times, and it keeps getting funnier every single time I see it)and when they got to the part where they pass the blind, toothless redneck sitting on the porch picking the banjo.  I thought, Yep, they’re gonna sodomize Bobby (Ned Beatty).

    “You racist shallow bastard,” I told myself.

    Posted by joe bagadonuts on 2006 12 03 at 07:55 PM • permalink

  134. joe - to paraphrase post #14, ‘blind toothless redneck’ is not a race.
    It’s more of a vocation, really.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 12 03 at 08:07 PM • permalink

  135. #127 ``Just a bit O/T Why do we all go to hell in a hand basket, rather than a panier or jute sack or coal skuttle for example?’‘

    I think it’s the alliteration - very Anglo-Saxon, with nice short punchy syllables.


    #118 ``I hope you noticed that a French police officer whipped out his popgun and killed one of the terrorists, and wounded another, thus obviating the need to apply racial profiling to track them down.’‘

    I hadn’t seen that; thanks for the alert.  The French can act decisively when they want to; it’s a shame that they so seldom want to.

    Posted by Sonetka's Mom on 2006 12 03 at 10:33 PM • permalink

  136. If this writing gig doesn’t work out for Mz. Razer, she’s got handy future ahead of her as a terrorist profiler.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 12 03 at 10:53 PM • permalink

  137. There’s growing evidence that McVeigh and Hicks were in cahoots with El Que’da, and may have recieved funding and training through a cell based in the Phillipines.

    Good choice of moniker, moron.

    If you want to use the name of a dead person to represent the general views of the crew at this site, I’d suggest Uncle Milty.

    Posted by Habib on 2006 12 03 at 10:55 PM • permalink

  138. This one too.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 12 04 at 12:36 AM • permalink

  139. Habib

    Then there is this…

    Summary of Evidence of Middle Eastern Complicity in 1995 Oklahoma Bombing [by Jayna Davis]*

    * link is lengthy in content.

    With this little line…Lana Padilla (where oh where, have I heard that name before….hmmm) said her ex-husband Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh would visit Josh in her home city of Las Vegas monthly and were often accompanied by unidentified men of Middle Eastern origin.

    Free Republic

    To use a word play of Fox News…‘They report, you decide’.

    Don’t know for sure but it’s a good bet…the brain boy poster ‘Tim McVeigh’, couldn’t take a piss without someone’s assistance.

    Speaking of…where is brain boy?

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 04 at 03:07 AM • permalink

  140. When the threat consistently, persistently and unashamedly comes directly from the mouths of Muslims, how exactly is it racist to be wary of Muslims? What, should we consider the Norwegians first, to show how broadminded we are?

    Tired of hearing Bush, the right, conservatives, and ‘racism’ blamed for the natural suspicion of people who, frankly, resemble the perpetrators of the killings and other crimes we hear about (or experience) constantly. How about holding the terrorists accountable for their own actions?

    But there’s something about holding these people responsible that really grates on the left. Could be they fear losing an effective ally, a prop for their propaganda? There’s a line of thought worth examining.

    Posted by Mister Snitch on 2006 12 04 at 07:17 AM • permalink

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