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TORTOISESHELL COMPLICITY
David Marr’s gruelling investigation of John Howard’s father barely scratched the surface:
His father Lyall Howard’s maternal great-great-grandfather William Tooley was convicted of complicity in the theft of a tortoiseshell watch and transported for life on the Fanny in 1816.
Mr Howard’s mother’s maternal ancestry also began in Australia through a convict forebear – Thomas Barker was transported for life after being convicted of two counts of robbery, arriving on the Bengal Merchant in 1835.
He’s descended from law-breaking boat people! Interesting, isn’t it, how things turn out.
Wait until the Sheik hears of this malarkey. Always knew that Howard boy was trouble.
In other crime related news, David Marr’s been done for shirt lifting.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 14 at 03:42 AM • permalink#4 egg_
Perhaps the thought of another man in shackles is stimulating to the Marr’ed one?
That was my first thought.
:^þ
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 02 14 at 04:01 AM • permalink“A toast to Fanny and all that sail in her!”
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 14 at 04:11 AM • permalinkThat sums up my life totally… no history of “The Fanny” appears in my family tree at all. There is just not enough fanny in my life!
I think my ancestors came here on the good ship “arse out of your trousers”.
Bloody John Howards’ industrial relations shenanigans have ensured that only a chosen few are privvy to the fanny. Bastard!
“Fanny for all” I say!
OT
The name of that fellow who killed 5 people in Salt Lake city yesterday was Sulejman Talovic and he was a Bosnian refugee.
Sulejman? Think of this guy in the big hat.
The first of my ancestors was transported in 1797 for impersonationg a clergyman and charging people to marry them.
I’m kinda proud of that
Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 02 14 at 05:02 AM • permalinkSulejman? Think of this guy in the big hat.
To be fair, it’s merely the turkish form of Solomon, who wasn’t Muslim himself, so its perfectly viable for non Muslims to have the name.
(Well, Muslims think Solomon was a Muslim, but, then again, they also think God chose an epileptic illiterate Arab as his final prophet, so there’s no accounting for taste…)
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 02 14 at 05:32 AM • permalinkOn a side note, that is truly the most ridiculous piece of headgear in history. Compensating much, Suley, ole boy?
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 02 14 at 05:33 AM • permalinkSociety of Australian Genealogists executive officer Heather Garnsey said many family tree enthusiasts were keen to find a link to a convict when researching their backgrounds.
“For Australians finding a convict ancestor is the Holy Grail, especially a First Fleet ancestor,” she said.“A lot of people have a romantic notion of the convict period. I joke in Australia it’s the equivalent of royalty, to some extent.”
Too bloody right. The Yanks have their Pilgrims and DARs, we have convict forebears. Yeah, perverse, but that’s our way.I have 5 convict ancestors and several of them were absolute rotters. HeHeHe. But every one of them did their time (mainly as farm hands), got released after a few years and ended up leaving land and a good life to their children.
I’d rather be an Aussie with a convict ancestor (albeit a Pom), than a current Pom with an unadulterated lineage of spineless whingeing Poms.
Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2007 02 14 at 07:31 AM • permalink#26, SCD,
The husband’s ancestor was transported to Oz on the HMS Alexander as part of the first fleet. He was a convicted forger, fraudster etc, also a talented artist. Many of his descendants including the spouse are artists, but my boy turned it full circle 30-odd years ago by setting up a forging operation in London providing Aussies and Kiwis with work documents, truck driving licences & the like, in conjunction with a mate who was an engraver. I know, not a good thing in the present climate, but in 1970 it was a nice little earner for an Aussie lad.
Descendants of convicts live in Australia? Who knew?
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2007 02 14 at 08:17 AM • permalinkOooh, you rotters! Myfamily came over on the 2nd fleet. They sent a manservant over on the first to pick out some of the prime land allocations and set things up when they got there.
Oooh, beastly decendants of convicts! Get back where you belong in the mucky lower class why dont you!
Im so mad I could rip a tissue…Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 02 14 at 09:55 AM • permalinkyeah, wish i had some jolly malfeasants in the family shrub. unfortunately my dour lot chartered their own ship in the gold rush, calling themselves the scottish temperance emigration league. one of them wrote the most boring travel journal in the history of the world about the trip. it now reposes in the la trobe library, largely unconsulted except by poor benighted souls who wish they hadn’t bothered
Sounds like David Marr went digging for dirt, and discovered gold instead. BUAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 02 14 at 10:27 AM • permalinkI thought ‘transportation for life’ was winning a car in a contest run by the SMH. It isn’t?
Posted by andycanuck on 2007 02 14 at 10:33 AM • permalinkHeck, my great granpa left Ireland one pierhead jump ahead of Her Majesty’s representatives,who wanted him to take part in a brief civil ceremony (at least his part, the dropping and kicking). Welcome to the family, PM!
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 02 14 at 11:04 AM • permalinkI feel nothing but pity and contempt for youse who dont have convict ancestry.
Youre nothing but a bunch of mozzie poofters
Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 02 14 at 11:15 AM • permalinkI know you’re all justifiably proud of your convict past, but tortoiseshell watch theft? Please. Today that would get you 20 hours community service, max. When I was at the Wicklow Gael in Ireland, I was astonished by the “crimes” that could get you transported, like filching a few sticks of firewood. And then, of course, there were all those political prisoners. If I didn’t know better, I’d think the Brits had an ulterior motive. Hmmmm
#12—We’ve had Muslims shooting up the LA airport, downtown San Francisco, downtown Seattle and now downtown Salt Lake City (liberal bastions all—isn’t that odd). And each time it’s happened, the official line goes something like this:
“We don’t have any motive or reason behind his actions. We know very little,” Mr Burbank said, adding that the victims were picked at random.
“From everything we have gathered, it appears very random and (there) was no sense to why he was doing what he was doing.”
We can’t be that clueless. Can we?
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 02 14 at 11:45 AM • permalinkI know you’re all justifiably proud of your convict past, but tortoiseshell watch theft? Please. Today that would get you 20 hours community service, max.
It would depend if you killed the sea turtle first, Kyda! And an interesting Freudian typo-slip, Kyda, “Gael” for “Gaol”. Be careful, or you’ll have a Human Rights Commission investigating you.
Posted by andycanuck on 2007 02 14 at 11:49 AM • permalinkMy Dad’s ancestors were cleared out of Scotland after the ‘45, for which I am eternally grateful. No chasing sheep around the sodden glen for me. It occurs to me that if the Jacobites had waited a few years, I’d have been an Aussie. Oh, well.
I have always thought that the similarities of convict transport and the Clearances are the reason that many Aussies and Yanks get on so well without all that puffing one’s self up that goes with Pommies.
John Howard, to coin a phrase - good on ya.
#45 - that’s right, andy, if you kill the little darlin, you’re doin’ time…at the very least, d’you suppose PETA folks & their followers will picket your house?
#42 - jack, I love this word you use - “poofters.” I hope I can figger out a place to use it properly!
And Happy Chocolate-Lovers Day to all of you!
Oh, is it Ray Nagin Day in Kansas City, KC? (Assuming that you’re from K.C., KC.)
Posted by andycanuck on 2007 02 14 at 12:34 PM • permalink#26, Stop Continental Drift:
Hah, we Yanks don’t even have the Pilgrims any more. Nowadays (at least in the liberal cities, one of which I grew up in) it’s a standard tactic to deplore the eeevil, eeeeeeevil pilgrims who looted and raped the country of the noble American Indigenous Matriarchal Culture watchamajigger. I had a teacher who refused to celebrate Columbus Day and liked to give lectures on how the pilgrims were actually the scum of the earth. And when Thanksgiving rolled around, he would positively froth at the mouth.
Aussies, never forget your roots. Be proud of those convict ancestors, lest ye go the way that American moonbat education is going.
How do you apply for Australian citizenship . . . ?
Posted by Tungsten Monk on 2007 02 14 at 12:56 PM • permalinkJohn Winger: We’re all very different people. We’re not Watusi, we’re not Spartans, we’re Americans. With a capital “A”, huh? And you know what that means? Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We’re the underdog. We’re mutts.
—Stripes, 1981#50 I had a teacher who refused to celebrate Columbus Day and liked to give lectures on how the pilgrims were actually the scum of the earth.
His name wasn’t ‘Marr’ by any chance of common descent? Our boy Marr writes books against Christians.
All my ancestors way back have proved to be good Christians of many brand names, and they all paid their way to Oz.
And I am poor, so where did I go wrong?My esteemed English Ancestor of the Name found that urgent business called him elsewhere (specifically, the American colonies) shortly after his father was beheaded by the Crown for heresy. Does that count? We’re rather proud of him, and have continued the tradition of obnoxious opinions ever since.
Posted by bad cat robot on 2007 02 14 at 07:29 PM • permalinkOh nooooooo—- now we’ll never hear the end of leftie comparisons between John Howards ancestors and the recent boat people - along the lines of:
“What if John Howard’s ancestors had been banned from landing on the grounds that they were not the type of people wanted in Australia, or because they didnt have documents—blah blah blah”.
Curses on Marr for making this possible. Any bets on how long it will take for the first article to be published?
#59 jgm
curious, isn’t it? The only hint we have is a cryptic manuscript that credits a “Master Wronwryght, who hath shewn mee his most curious Device for Travelling Time and other Marvels, not least of which being a Clockwork Catt he calls Row-bott.”I blame the Sumerian mead.
Posted by bad cat robot on 2007 02 15 at 12:24 AM • permalinkToo bad ol’ Dave’s parents weren’t queer like him.
Then all he’d be is a little .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
Oh1 wait a minute….......
Posted by deadparrot on 2007 02 15 at 04:30 AM • permalink
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I think back then homosexual acts were illegal too David.
David would have looked forward to a rough ride on the Fanny.