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Leftoid Clive Hamilton demands massive immigration cuts:

Rarely in our history has a federal government pursued such a high level of immigration as the Howard Government. Each year about 130,000 new migrants arrive on our shores and a third of them decide to settle in Sydney. The Government plans to increase the numbers.

The pressures from the influx are tempered by the efflux of thousands of Sydneysiders leaving the city each year, mostly heading north, driven out by declining amenity and house price inflation. The fact that John Howard, who has gained re-election by exploiting Hansonite xenophobia, has presided over a record inflow of foreigners is an irony little remarked ...

In the same sentence, speaking of irony, Hamilton condemns Howard’s “Hansonite xenophobia” then describes immigrants as “foreigners”. Worse, Hamilton actually wants Australia to adopt a “policy of zero net migration”, which puts him squarely in One Nation territory. Or beyond; imagine the outrage if Pauline Hanson ever linked immigration to sexually-abnormal rats:

A famous experiment in the 1960s found that when too many rats are forced to live in a cage of a given size they soon display abnormal behaviour including hyper-aggression, failure to nurture young normally, increased mortality, abnormal sexual patterns and infant cannibalism.

Immigrant Phil Gomes responds:

If guys like Hamilton can’t provide solutions beyond that of a depressing world view of locking down the city and the country and throwing away the key, they should shut the hell up and get out of the way.

Posted by Tim B. on 12/30/2006 at 12:52 PM
  1. when too many rats are forced to live in a cage of a given size they soon display abnormal behaviour including hyper-aggression, failure to nurture young normally, increased mortality, abnormal sexual patterns and infant cannibalism.

    Sounds like the first dormitory I lived in when I was at the University of Miami.

    Posted by paco on 2006 12 30 at 01:03 PM • permalink

  2. In the same sentence, speaking of irony, Hamilton condemns Howard’s “Hansonite xenophobia” then describes immigrants as “foreigners”.

    What’s wrong with saying immigrants are foreigners?

    Posted by Ross on 2006 12 30 at 01:11 PM • permalink

  3. Well, immigration is fine, just as long as they don’t let any of those damned Yankees migrate in on our Great Southern multiculti paradise. Why, they’d bring their hamburgers, their soda and all their noisy young’uns…

    Posted by splice on 2006 12 30 at 01:19 PM • permalink

  4. “Leftoid Clive Hamilton demands massive immigration cuts:”

    I agree with that idea.  I like lots of wide open spaces, and my country is getting overcrowded.  If it was up to me, America would have a no-immigration policy:  nothing personal, but we’re full up.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 12 30 at 01:30 PM • permalink

  5. I kinda agree, Dave, but for the fact that Nebraska is one Big Empty.  It definitely needs more 7-11s.

    Posted by ushie on 2006 12 30 at 01:43 PM • permalink

  6. Odd stance for a lefty to take.  Them being so “progressive” and “fair” and all.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 30 at 01:46 PM • permalink

  7. “I kinda agree, Dave, but for the fact that Nebraska is one Big Empty.  It definitely needs more 7-11s.”

    LOL.  A Nebraska with 7-11s as far as the eye can see.  Now, that’s utopia!

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 12 30 at 02:23 PM • permalink

  8. The most rapid growth in the immigration program is in the business long-stay category, under which businesses sponsor migrants. And under the business migration visa scheme, the wealthy can effectively buy Australian citizenship.

    You can’t help but get the impression from that whole screed that his main problem isn’t too much immigration per se, but that the “wrong” people are coming in, i.e. those who actually are able to participate in the Sydney housing market.

    I doubt he’d be complaining if a greater proportion of the 130,000 were third-worlders who willingly ghettoize themselves. Not that I’m making reference to any particular group here, or anything.

    Probably could’ve shortened the article to “Fucking Poms! There goes the neighbourhood.”

    Posted by PW on 2006 12 30 at 03:14 PM • permalink

  9. Y’all could do what America did when we started having immigration problems.

    Step 1. Start a civil war. Good for herd culling and tends to give them what survive a feeling of inclusion.

    Step 2. Start building railroads. Build lots and lots of railroads. They don’t even have to go anywhere in particular.
    Gives folk something to do and when they get tired, they stop and build towns next to the railroad and helps the whole “spread the hell out, damn it!” thing.

    Step 3. Once all the railroads are built that you can build (works for canals too, and roadways, highways, freeways, etc) start building your homes on your lots in such a way that encourages the fostering of lawns and landscaping that requires several hours a week of detailed manicure and maintenance.

    Step 4. Start an advert campaign convincing future waves of immigrants that there’s a better place to go (sorry for that one y’all, but Australia was easy to spell and y’all already spoke english, kinda, so the furriners wouldn’t have lost all that home study time on lingo)

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 30 at 03:17 PM • permalink

  10. Dave Surls—that’s my dream!  Let me close my eyes and fantasize…

    Posted by ushie on 2006 12 30 at 03:27 PM • permalink

  11. “A famous experiment in the 1960s found that when too many rats are forced to live in a cage of a given size they soon display abnormal behaviour including hyper-aggression, failure to nurture young normally, increased mortality, abnormal sexual patterns and infant cannibalism.”

    So, is he saying that overpopulation is what produces leftists?

    Makes sense to me.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 12 30 at 03:28 PM • permalink

  12. If it was up to me, America would have a no-immigration policy:  nothing personal, but we’re full up.

    Yeah, gosh, the USA is already the 174th most densely populated country in the world.

    One or two more people and we’ll be falling into the ocean.  Dude, you have to get out more.  Go to, for example, Montana.  Slightly larger than Germany but with a population of 900,000.

    Posted by David Crawford on 2006 12 30 at 03:30 PM • permalink

  13. “Yeah, gosh, the USA is already the 174th most densely populated country in the world.”

    What, are we under some moral obligation to be in top ten?

    I like wide open spaces and plenty of elbow room, myself.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 12 30 at 03:40 PM • permalink

  14. #12, David Crawford:

    Yeah, sure, Montana is nearly empty. We take in millions of immygrants and it’s still empty.

    Gotta be some reason for that? We keep packing them in denser and denser on the coasts and we’re liable to start bending like a bow.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 30 at 03:43 PM • permalink

  15. I’m with Dave on a worldwide ‘no immigration’ policy.  If you don’t like your country, fix it.  Don’t screw someone else’s up.

    And if you are making too many babies for your country to support, stop making the babies.  There are courses at schools that will tell you how to accomplish this.

    Posted by blogagog on 2006 12 30 at 03:44 PM • permalink

  16. Sure, Montana is almost empty, but why go there if you like being in bleak desolate lands?  Antacrtica is completely empty with a similar climate.

    Posted by blogagog on 2006 12 30 at 03:47 PM • permalink

  17. #2 - Once you immigrate, you’re no longer a foreigner. You’re an ex-foreigner.

    Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 30 at 04:14 PM • permalink

  18. There is absolutely no point in allowing any more immigrants into Australia.  We do not need them, and it does not do us any good.  Water restrictions are Nature’s way of telling us that we are full up.

    Posted by norian on 2006 12 30 at 04:14 PM • permalink

  19. #17, Ian Deans:

    Unless they comport themselves more like invaders.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 30 at 04:16 PM • permalink

  20. I don’t if it’s just me, but there seems to be more babies being pushed around in prams these days.  Is this the Costello solution in action?

    I agree with the sentiments from above: Immigration shouldn’t be seen as any more than a temporary solution to structural problems in a country.  For example, we are short of Engineers - well then, pay <strike>us</strike> them more!

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2006 12 30 at 04:52 PM • permalink

  21. Don’t worry, Clive, we have enough trouble with ol’ lefties who mutate into Home-of-
    Birth Haters -like they do in England, where Channel 4 even gives space to a radical Muslim for a “Christmas message”.

    See Little Green Footballs:
    The Daily Mail can now unveil “Khadijah” - and reveal that she is in fact Elaine Atkinson, an English convert to Islam who travels the country working for a radical muslim group trying to take political control of Pakistan.

    And despite her presentation by Channel 4 as a moderate, in the past the 38-year-old has described non-believers as “rats in cages going round on a treadmill” of consumerism, and declares she would like to see Britain’s pubs converted into mosques.

    Since going through an islamic marriage ceremony with a British-born muslim of Pakistani origin, Miss Atkinson - a fromer [sic] radical feminist - has become known as Khadijah Iqbal.

    But her rejection of her English roots caused a rift with her family, which has a long history of military and police service. Her great-grandmother was a suffragette, and her brother is currently serving as a soldier in Afghanistan, she claimed. ...

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 12 30 at 04:58 PM • permalink

  22. YOu ever driven down the length of Utah?  Now THAT’S empty.

    I wonder why people don’t move there?

    Posted by ushie on 2006 12 30 at 05:34 PM • permalink

  23. Rarely in our history has a federal government pursued such a high level of immigration as the Howard Government.

    How, exactly, has the Howard “pursued” a high level of immirgation? Does the government send recruiters to certain countries, to encourage residents there to move to Australia?

    If they do, I think they need to send recruiters to a country full of people who think like Clive Hamilton, and bring those people to Australia!

    Like Chicago.

    Posted by rinardman on 2006 12 30 at 05:36 PM • permalink

  24. Immirgation- not to be confused with immigration!

    Posted by rinardman on 2006 12 30 at 05:38 PM • permalink

  25. Immigrants who move to a country like Australia or America and do well for themselves tend to be conservative and support their adopted country.  Maybe that’s the problem Mr. Hamilton is complaining about.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 30 at 05:51 PM • permalink

  26. Interesting to find a lefty espousing this. I guess he’s trying to make a play for the bogan vote.

    It was pointed out in Canada that it need only halt immigration to be able to have a chance of meeting it’s Kyotot obligations. Perhaps the lefty should take that track.

    Once again, I think the question is being confused between immigration, racism and multi-culturalism. One thing that is patently obvious is the idiotness of a government policy to use immigration to sustain an aging population.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 30 at 06:05 PM • permalink

  27. How, exactly, has the Howard “pursued” a high level of immigration?

    How short our political memories are. Does anyone remember the hysterical shrieking from the left when, after the 1996 election, with Hansonism fresh in everyone’s minds, Howard halved the immigration intake? It sounds to me like it’s only returned to pre-1996 levels. Is Clive an idiot, or just annoying?

    #18

    There is absolutely no point in allowing any more immigrants into Australia.  We do not need them, and it does not do us any good.  Water restrictions are Nature’s way of telling us that we are full up.

    Bullshit. “Nature’s limit” on human population was whatever the Aboriginal population was when the First Fleet arrived. That’s when our ancestors started building farms, and canals and dams, and water pumps. We now support 20m on the land, and could support a lot more, given that we export food enough to feed many tens of millions more.

    Lefties see more mouths to feed; capitalists see more entrepreneurs, more innovators, more workers, more people who are gonna solve problems, more movers and shakers.

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 30 at 06:06 PM • permalink

  28. Perth:
    *  Tight planning regulations
    *  Limited land release
    *  Only non-occupiers can deduct interest from their income
    *  Affordability?  Forget it!

    Houston:
    *  Loose planning rules
    *  Plenty of land
    *  Tax deductibility for owner-occupiers too avoids the presence of two castes of would be buyers
    *  Fast growing, many immigrants
    *  House price: average income = 2.6

    Could it be that Hamilton and co. really want a world where all their neighbours are wealthy, white leftists?

    Posted by ellen on 2006 12 30 at 06:10 PM • permalink

  29. #23 - The Government does, indeed, send recruiters.

    Naturally, the government targets younger people (relatively) with high skill-sets, which helps our economic growth (plus we don’t have to pay for their training). Which is immigration is generally a good thing for us.

    Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 30 at 06:12 PM • permalink

  30. #27 - Good point about the Left. Like that nonsense about overpopulation and how the world’s food supply can’t support all the people that will need to be feed. It’s all just BS.

    Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 30 at 06:14 PM • permalink

  31. The rat analogy is annoying too. When you crowd too many rats together, they start eating each other. When you crowd a lot of people together, they realise that space is three dimensional and start building high-rise apartments.

    Then all the latte sipping left move into those inner city apartments, sit in fancy cafes and over their $12 cups of coffee complain about things like “carrying capacity”, “natural limits” and “reducing population”.

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 30 at 06:33 PM • permalink

  32. I think we must be a typical migrant family. Left a country with an unfixable crime problem where our lives where in daily danger to make a better life here. We brought 3 kids with us plus our graduate and post graduate qualifications. Centrelink is an organisation we have heard about but but with whom we have never had any dealings. Eldest child has just qualified as a mechanical engineer, second child is going into third year engineering and the youngest into second year psychology. All on the this wonderful HECS system where for the the price of a small car you get a first class university education. We are Australian citizens-the ceremony was a milestone in our lives. And yes we support John Howard, all of us. As such we are a huge danger to lefties and I can well understand why Clive Hamilton does not want us and our ilk here breeding even more conservative and productive voters.

    Posted by Hoges on 2006 12 30 at 06:36 PM • permalink

  33. Hamilton imagines a future Australia something like David Williamson’s cruise ship.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2006 12 30 at 06:41 PM • permalink

  34. #32 With a name like Hoges you are welcome aboard!

    Posted by anthony_r on 2006 12 30 at 06:46 PM • permalink

  35. It seems to me that Hamilton is comparing immigrants to rats.

    Who’s “xenophobic” now?

    Posted by Evil Pundit on 2006 12 30 at 06:54 PM • permalink

  36. Just when I was expecting Dr. Clive to publish his annual ‘Christmas is bad for you’ article.  Don’t you like the way he projects his own cognitive dissonance onto a straw man - the ‘Hansonite’ Howard who nevertheless presides over record immigration - and then wisely intones ‘Ironic, eh?’  Er, no Doc - that’s not irony, that’s contradiction.  It often happens when you put a false statement and a true statement together.  Longtime listeners to ABC radio might recall that arch-moonbat Stephen Crittenden, every time he delivered some bit of self-contradictory moonbat absurdity, darkly intoned “Isn’t it ironic?”

    Posted by cuckoo on 2006 12 30 at 07:02 PM • permalink

  37. Lefties love the animal experiments (cf. Erhlich and his butterflies). Comparing human populations to animal ones probably makes it psychologically easier when it’s time for the lefty governments, when faced with the fact that the grand wealth redistribution experiment didn’t work, to start culling the population. It’s pretty well the pattern in most Communist countries.

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 30 at 07:03 PM • permalink

  38. Water restrictions are Nature’s way of telling us that we are full up.

    Water restrictions mean it’s time to make your own water.

    Posted by Pixy Misa on 2006 12 30 at 07:51 PM • permalink

  39. #32 - Hoges, my wife and her brother were both in a similar situation to you. Totally agreed.

    Dr Clive is evil - I wonder what his views on the immigration are of welfare parasites and crimiinals?

    How much longer are people going to tolerate water restrictions as an excuse for governments’ inability to update infrastructure to meet the needs of a growing population? I thought rationing was an indication of a crumbling communist state, not an affluent society.

    Posted by CanberraNeoCon on 2006 12 30 at 08:04 PM • permalink

  40. #39, CanberraNeoCon:

    I thought rationing was an indication of a crumbling communist state, not an affluent society.

    Maybe its also an indication of an affluent society being interfered with by crumbling communists?

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 30 at 08:09 PM • permalink

  41. Water restrictions are Nature’s way of telling us that we are full up.

    Water restrictions are a sign that State governments haven’t bothered to invest in new infrastructure despite growing populations. Canberra is a prime example: the population has grown over many decades yet investment in new water sources hasn’t taken place. Governments would prefer to restrict supply and push up prices (as any good monopolist would).

    Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 12 30 at 08:11 PM • permalink

  42. #39 Dr Clive is evil

    You mean, he’s a kind of Dr. Evil?

    Posted by cuckoo on 2006 12 30 at 08:12 PM • permalink

  43. Yes, clean potable water is a problem for all large populations, but that’s why God gave us a brain and opposable thumbs (technology, in other words). 

    Immigration is largely a very good thing for nations when the immigrants are (a) legal, and (b) determined not to recreate the societal problems that made them become immigrants in the first place.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 30 at 08:16 PM • permalink

  44. #43 RebeccaH - agreed, I was going to rave on about proactive immigrants and parasitic immigrants, but decided to keep it short and sweet.

    #40 agreed - Brack’s latest solution to literally cut off people’s water screams of old commie behaviour.

    #42 Who is Clive’s mini-me? I wonder if he has a conservative leaning recalcitrant son too?

    Posted by CanberraNeoCon on 2006 12 30 at 08:32 PM • permalink

  45. Once known as Clive Hamilton of the Evatt Foundation. Now Doc Evatt had some unusual ideas. Evatt’s mental condition was questioned. Does Clive Hamilton have a simlar mental condition?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2006 12 30 at 08:32 PM • permalink

  46. remember the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left when the pm said ‘we will decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come’

    the screams of ‘racist’, ‘xenophobic’ and ‘dogwhistle’ from the usual suspects (including mr hamilton) were deafening

    some quotes from mr ‘immigrants are foreign rats’ Hamilton in an SMH article he wrote after Cronulla

    ‘Anglo Australians have deep if mostly latent reserves of intolerance’

    ‘Howard knows that Australians are prejudiced (he exploits the tendency as necessary)’

    The trouble with blowing the dog whistle too often is that the gathering neighbourhood dogs may end up urinating on your leg.

    no matter how loudly clive whistles i wouldnt piss on him if he was on fire

    Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 30 at 08:37 PM • permalink

  47. Ya’ll can solve the water supply problem by inviting Israeli desalination engineers to Australia.

    “But, but…”

    Posted by monkeyfan on 2006 12 30 at 08:41 PM • permalink

  48. #38 Pixy Misa

    Water restrictions mean it’s time to make your own water.

    Making water — by combining hydrogen and oxygen — is expensive, slow and not widely practised. You don’t make new water by desalinating or recycling it.
    However, collecting and storing water for future use works fine.
    For the past twenty years, including many drought years, I have collected and stored enough water to look after a house and 10 acres without ever running short, buying water, or restricting my use.
    Town water will soon be available on my street. We will have to pay water rates as soon as it is available but we won’t be connecting to the town system which is presently on level 4 restrictions.
    I look forward to years of hosing my car and lawns with soft, pure, rain water while my neighbours carry around buckets of recycled pee.
    As many have already said, there is no shortage of water in Australia, only a shortage of infrastructure to gather and store it.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2006 12 30 at 08:50 PM • permalink

  49. To Hoges and others of your ilk:
    Welcome dear friends and fellow citizens. Whatever your country of origin, your sort are exactly what this country needs. 
    I believe John Howard’s ongoing encouragement of such immigration is one of the many reasons why he keeps getting re-elected.
    And why he gets up the noses of the leftoids like Clive Hamilton.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2006 12 30 at 08:58 PM • permalink

  50. Can we please import a few more third world types?  I really need a cheap nanny. 

    Can we classify France as third world?  A French nanny would be ace.

    As for water restrictions, I solved our garden watering problem by going to Bunnings and buying 10 metres of hose to attach to the washing machine.  Watering the lawn is no longer a problem.  We don’t have to make water - we just have to be a bit more intelligent about using what we’ve got.  Plus maybe building a few more dams.

    However, in the spirit of unintended consequences, I now have to mow the bloody thing once a week instead of once a month.  It’s become a triffid intent on taking over the house.

    Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 30 at 09:09 PM • permalink

  51. Dave Surls, it looks to me like you can only get leftists when there is a really big population so you get some dingbats who don’t actually have to work for a living.  Very damn few lefties I’ve ever met have actually ever done manual labor or run a small business.

    And as for immigration, in both the US and Australia, I believe in making it really, really hard to get in (big fences, guards, dogs, etc and *no* paperwork legalized immigration) and then letting anyone who makes it in stay.  They’re my kind of people.  Of course, I also believe that every child in the US should know that at age 19-20 they’re going to be taken about 3000 miles south of the border and left with one change of clothes and $100.  If they make their way back, great!  If not, we don’t need them.

    Think of it as Darwinism in action.

    Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 12 30 at 09:12 PM • permalink

  52. #29 The Government does, indeed, send recruiters.

    That’s great. So, could they send a few to Chicago? Lot’s of single-minded lefties well-trained individuals living there that would look good in the Land Down Under!

    Posted by rinardman on 2006 12 30 at 10:23 PM • permalink

  53. I have to concede, even though Hamilton profoundly irritates me, I have to agree (at least partially) with what he says, as it touches on my one real criticism of the Howard government.
    As my family are immigrants to this country, it’s not all that easy to come out and condemn the Howard government’s current policy of resettling high numbers of African Moslems in south western Sydney. However, given the problems similar countries, such as France, have had integrating individuals with similar backgrounds to these new arrivals, I will!

    Posted by Brian on 2006 12 30 at 10:27 PM • permalink

  54. #50 if Mark Steyn is correct and France is cactus you will soon have all the nannies you can poke a stick at.

    #46 I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire

    I also like: ‘I wouldn’t give him the steam off my piss if he was dying of dehydration’

    same sentiment. Same miserable left.

    Posted by JonathanH on 2006 12 30 at 10:49 PM • permalink

  55. when too many rats are forced to live in a cage of a given size they soon display abnormal behaviour including hyper-aggression, failure to nurture young normally, increased mortality, abnormal sexual patterns and infant cannibalism

    The solution: Stop importing rats.

    Australia absolutely needs to increase non-Muslim immigration.

    We should be canvassing European nations and attracting educated, skilled people fed up with what’s happened to their own country, and willing and able to adapt and contribute to Australia without repeating the same mistakes. Anything else is demographic suicide.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 12 30 at 10:53 PM • permalink

  56. Making water — by combining hydrogen and oxygen — is expensive, slow and not widely practised.

    Actually, I’ve done this, and slow is one thing it ain’t.  It goes whooosh!!!  And it’s extremely widely practiced - though usually as a side-effect of something else.

    But obviously that’s not what I’m talking about.

    You don’t make new water by desalinating or recycling it.

    I didn’t say “new water”, I said “your own water”.

    Posted by Pixy Misa on 2006 12 30 at 10:57 PM • permalink

  57. regarding migration in general I was in Warrnumbul earlier this year; they have just imported 300 Chinese workers to work in their meatworks. Get ready for more of that in the future. Up where I live (northern NSW) we have one of the highest unemployment rates in the country but try telling the Nimbinites to go and work in a meatworks in Warnumbul! That would put their chakra RIGHT out of alignment!

    got to have a holistic ambience don’t you know

    Posted by JonathanH on 2006 12 30 at 10:58 PM • permalink

  58. #17 - Once you immigrate, you’re no longer a foreigner. You’re an ex-foreigner.

    We used to refer to them as ‘New Australians’. In the 50s through early 70s I never heard non-English speaking immigrants called anything else.

    It was about when Whitlam got in that ‘New Australian’ became perjorative (rather as ‘crippled’ and ‘handicapped’ became insults).

    Posted by walterplinge on 2006 12 30 at 11:06 PM • permalink

  59. And as for immigration, in both the US and Australia, I believe in making it really, really hard to get in (big fences, guards, dogs, etc and *no* paperwork legalized immigration) and then letting anyone who makes it in stay.  They’re my kind of people.

    People with enough talent for crime that they’d be able to pay the rates of the most competent people smugglers? Well, if you say so.

    Posted by PW on 2006 12 30 at 11:38 PM • permalink

  60. #56 Yeah Pixy, it does happen with a whoosh but it takes a long time to collect significant megalitres of the made water.
    I’m trying not to be pedantic here, but just how are you going to make your own water?
    It’s a misconception to think that man can make water by recycling or desalinating it. Those processes do not make more water for the planet and they are expensive and inefficient substitutes for the natural, solar powered, recycling and desalination processes that produce rain.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2006 12 30 at 11:43 PM • permalink

  61. At any rate, I do think that whole “importing people who are going to turn their new country into the same kind of shithole they just came from” thing is a real problem.

    For would-be European immigrants, I think a useful quick’n'dirty check would be: “Do you intend to live in either the San-San or the Bos-Wash corridors?” If yes, send ‘em back. As for me, I quite enjoyed the Midwest while studying in Milwaukee for a year…

    Posted by PW on 2006 12 30 at 11:44 PM • permalink

  62. #58 - I remember them as “wogs” rather than “New Australians”.

    Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 30 at 11:44 PM • permalink

  63. Someone stole Mr Hamilton’s parking space again, did they?

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 12 31 at 12:01 AM • permalink

  64. I’m trying not to be pedantic here, but just how are you going to make your own water?

    Desalination.

    It’s a misconception to think that man can make water by recycling or desalinating it.

    Bollocks.  The world is full of water. Three-quarters of the world is covered with the stuff, sometimes miles deep.  The environuts are presently freaking out about the possibility of there being too much of the stuff.

    There are localised shortages of clean, fresh water.

    Desalination produces clean, fresh water from over-plentiful salt water.

    Those processes do not make more water for the planet and they are practical and cost-effective substitutes for the erratic and unreliable recycling and desalination processes that produce rain.

    There, I’ve fixed that for you.

    Posted by Pixy Misa on 2006 12 31 at 12:18 AM • permalink

  65. #64 Hmmmm. One of us is missing a point here.
    In case it is me, I think we better get back to the topic of the thread.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2006 12 31 at 12:30 AM • permalink

  66. #55 - during my travels in Europe mid year I met many young, well educated, english speaking (mostly) Germans, who are desperate to escape their socialist paradise - many hear about the wonders down here from their backpacker mates. Most of them are unemployed, still studying beyond the typical bachelor’s degree because there is no real work or they are badly under employed in government funded traineeships. Some of the (very attractive) East German girls I met were desperate to escape and come to Australia - even if only to do fruit picking - But their scumbag skinhead neonazi unemployed boyfriends wont let them (read welfare parasites). I know why - if these girls take the plunge and escape - they will NEVER go back.

    Posted by CanberraNeoCon on 2006 12 31 at 12:30 AM • permalink

  67. #55 Dan Lewis:  Rats are pretty tasty in a samwich.

    The tails are kinda chewy, though.

    Posted by ushie on 2006 12 31 at 12:40 AM • permalink

  68. The tails are kinda chewy, though.

    But stretched and twanged, the sound they make is sort of cool, in a rubber bandy way.

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 31 at 01:05 AM • permalink

  69. Anyway, if Clive’s feeling crowded out by all those fornicating, aborting, baby-eating rats, he should find better accommodation.

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 31 at 01:17 AM • permalink

  70. It helps if you singe ‘em first. Singe ‘em and eat ‘em. Raw.

    Hey, don’t look at me like that, pal. I know what man is capable of, believe me. You’d do it.

    If you were stranded, out in the park one day…

    Posted by mojo on 2006 12 31 at 01:47 AM • permalink

  71. Demographics is destiny, and in a continent where “Mohammed” is one of the most popular names for baby boys, you don’t have to think too hard about where the next great wave of immigration into Australia will come from.

    Posted by Young and Free on 2006 12 31 at 02:12 AM • permalink

  72. AlburyShifton—a rat-tail harp?  I’d buy it.

    mojo, the underground dwellers in the NY subway system are famous for roasting and eating rat.

    Posted by ushie on 2006 12 31 at 02:00 PM • permalink

  73. #68 The tails are kinda chewy, though.

    But stretched and twanged, the sound they make is sort of cool, in a rubber bandy way.


    Jeepers!  You Aussies beat all for weird musical instruments.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 31 at 03:02 PM • permalink

  74. “Of course, I also believe that every child in the US should know that at age 19-20 they’re going to be taken about 3000 miles south of the border and left with one change of clothes and $100.”

    Sounds just like what I was doing at age 19…except for having a hundred bucks.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 12 31 at 03:32 PM • permalink

  75. Leftoid Clive Hamilton demands massive immigration cuts:

    massive immigration cuts. I’m guessing that’s not deli sliced for samiches? The massive seems to imply BBQ or deep pit? Is a massive cut a half an immigrant or a whole? Or, is it more of a value pack, you know, for feeding a family of 6 for a week’s worth of suppers?

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 31 at 06:49 PM • permalink

  76. Whatsisname’s reference to crowded rats is a form of the “Appeal to Nature” fallacy.

    natural fallacy

    Posted by wreckage on 2007 01 02 at 07:34 AM • permalink

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