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TOO DUMB TO HAVE TO EVEN DISCUSS

Eric Alterman joins the legion of plastic/fake/phony turkey believers:

Really, it’s too dumb to have to even discuss; One day the media is all excited about a phony turkey; the next day it paints lipstick on a real one.

Thanks to Mark Harden for this alert. As the countdown continues to August 30 and the grim milestone of 1,000 days since the turkey story began, turkey fantasist Dave Lindorff ponders the Great Zark Hunt:

So let’s get this straight: there was no justification for bombing that house. The U.S. military had Zarqawi in a perfect trap. He was surrounded. There was nowhere to run. There was a predator drone monitoring the site from above in case he tried to slip away.

So why did they kill him?

My guess is that it’s the same reason they killed Saddam’s two sons: The U.S. is not particularly anxious to have these guys talking about what they know about the U.S. in Iraq.

It gets worse, Lindorff. Bush is now paying off monk seals and green sea turtles. What did they know?

(Via Rob at SemiSkimmed)

Posted by Tim B. on 06/15/2006 at 11:40 AM
  1. CounterPunchBullshit.

    Dave Lindork

    My guess is that it’s the same reason they killed Saddam’s two sons: The U.S. is not particularly anxious to have these guys talking about what they know KNEW about the U.S. in Iraq.

    Past tense you stupid bastard, you can’t even get that god damn straight.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 06 15 at 11:59 AM • permalink

  2. So why did they kill him?

    Because when you get to the point where Iowahawk’s satire has made you a laughingstock, you can consider your insurgency cred totally shot. Bush just got tired of kicking the guy’s ass, Z-man wasn’t going to cough up nearly as much intelligence as his computers will, and he was a murdering, terrorist bastard who deserved to die. Yahoo News, incidentally, reported earlier today that 104 insurgents had been killed in Iraq due to a sweep that was made possible by the unraveling of Al-Quaida’s Iraq network.

    Posted by paco on 2006 06 15 at 12:00 PM • permalink

  3. So why did they kill him?

    Because it’s a fucking war.

    War is a pretty simple concept. Why is it so hard for leftards to grasp even its basics?

    Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 15 at 12:05 PM • permalink

  4. It’s the chance to send off that ``Thank You for the Giant Sea Turtle’’ card you bought in the 70s for the perfect occasion that never came up.

    Posted by rhhardin on 2006 06 15 at 12:05 PM • permalink

  5. I have a solution that will once and for all stop these idiotic comments from lefties. In the future, when we get a beed on a most-wanted terrorist like a bin-Ladin or Zawahiri, before we drop a big bomb on them, let’s parachute Mr. Lindorff and his moonbat pals in to see if they can apprehend the evil SOB without getting taken out by a suicide bomb.

    Posted by JSchuler on 2006 06 15 at 12:14 PM • permalink

  6. JSchuler,

    The problem is that the idiolefties would have to be on the wests side.

    IMHO We’d be reinforcing via airdrop if Mr. Lindorff and his moonbat pals were parachuted in.

    Posted by Rob Read on 2006 06 15 at 12:20 PM • permalink

  7. #6: Hmmmm. How about if they’re dropped without parachutes?

    Posted by paco on 2006 06 15 at 12:29 PM • permalink

  8. Lefties would make the perfect bio-degradable air dropped munitions.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 06 15 at 12:32 PM • permalink

  9. Well, if you drop 2 500-pounders on him, there’s no trial.  That’s either a bug or a feature, depending on your politics.

    Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 06 15 at 12:41 PM • permalink

  10. And where would we get 500lb ‘bio-degradable air dropped munitions’?  Except for Phat Phil, of course.

    Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 06 15 at 12:42 PM • permalink

  11. #10:  Michael Moore. Except that I’m afraid he’d probably just flit around in crazy circles like a released balloon.

    Posted by paco on 2006 06 15 at 12:47 PM • permalink

  12. Uh-oh. Eliminationism raises its ugly head (metaphorically speaking).

    Dave Lindorff is simply regretting the demise of a potential comrade-in-arms. And then there’s the bonus of criticizing the US military for a victory. He’s covered either way.

    Posted by Brian O'Connell on 2006 06 15 at 12:52 PM • permalink

  13. Counterpunch? That’s unrepentant Stalinist Alexander Cockburn’s crypto-marxist propaganda Ministry of Truth site, isn’t it?

    And another thing, that pompous ignoramous Eric Alterman is America’s answer to John Pilger, so the fake turkey myth is right up his alley.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 06 15 at 12:53 PM • permalink

  14. So lets get this straight: there was no justification for cutting off Daniel Bergs head, al qaeda had Berg in a perfect trap, he was surrounded, there was nowhere to run.

    these whining lefty f**kheads make, always ready to believe the best of the worst, and the worst of the best, the self indulgent crap they peddle wouldnt last 5 seconds contact with the trash they worship.

    How safe they must feel living in their comfortable lefty playpen.

    Posted by phillip on 2006 06 15 at 01:54 PM • permalink

  15. delete word, make ,in line 3, sorry kids

    Posted by phillip on 2006 06 15 at 01:57 PM • permalink

  16. I, too, note the rising tide of eliminationist language on this thread. Oh sure, right now it’s just chuckles among unformed or unaware or unprocessed minds, but it can quickly metastasize into action. Watch yourselves. You’ve been warned.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 06 15 at 02:02 PM • permalink

  17. I put the monk seal and green sea turtle payments in plain brown envelopes, I’m sure of it.  I gave them to paco, who gave them to SDD/HF, who gave them to richard mcenroe, who gave them to MarkL, who passed them on to wronwright.  So how did that info get leaked?  And who’s going to tell Karl?

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 06 15 at 02:25 PM • permalink

  18. Alterman says that Yale’s decision not to hire Juan Cole does smell like a case of successful McCarthyism undertaken by the very same Neocons who helped cause this catastrophic war. How surprised am I to find out that Yale’s board is a hot bed of Neoconservatism? This surprised.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 06 15 at 02:31 PM • permalink

  19. #17: Oh, shoot! Marine Sanctuary. I sent the money to the Marine Corps. Well, a more deserving group, anyway.

    Posted by paco on 2006 06 15 at 02:33 PM • permalink

  20. #18 Alterman says that Yale’s decision not to hire Juan Cole does smell like a case of successful McCarthyism undertaken by the very same Neocons who helped cause this catastrophic war.

    Well, that could be true. I understand that there’s a move afoot to persecute incompetent frauds.

    Posted by paco on 2006 06 15 at 02:38 PM • permalink

  21. And the Iraqis also picked-up 759 persons of interest in those same raids, paco. Captain Ed at CQ has several stories on the raids.

    Posted by andycanuck on 2006 06 15 at 02:51 PM • permalink

  22. #22: I saw that. Captain Ed is always good on stuff like that (and everything else, for that matter).

    Incidentally, Andy, did you see the Captain’s investigative work on that Canadian political scandal (was it last year?). I seem to recall that there was a blackout on the story in Canada for awhile, and Canadians were actually reading about what was going on in their own country on the Captain’s blog.

    Posted by paco on 2006 06 15 at 03:53 PM • permalink

  23. I still remember Alterman’s appearance on Dennis Miller’s (cancelled) chat show.  Dennis was almost always at least civil to his guests, regardless of their politics, but he was unable to conceal his complete disgust at what a twat Alterman was.  The “interview” ended with Miller able to do nothing but shake his head and mutter, “Get out of my face,” or some such.

    Comedy gold.

    Posted by WingDynasty on 2006 06 15 at 04:45 PM • permalink

  24. #4 rrhardin: I totally am laughing like it was paco in clown shoes!  OMG, a greeting card about sea turtles, I CANNOT stop laughing!

    Posted by ushie on 2006 06 15 at 05:33 PM • permalink

  25. Well, geez, ignoring Moore and your FatFill, how many lefties would it take to make up 1000 pounds of boom?  Sure, if we cut their heads off to see what they weighed (I was forced to go to a Phish concert once), that would be “feathers,” but surely their self-righteous indignation must weigh at least a half-ton (or even tonne) each.

    Posted by ushie on 2006 06 15 at 05:37 PM • permalink

  26. War is a pretty simple concept. Why is it so hard for leftards to grasp even its basics?

    They probably think that “Reality” is currently unplayable, and until the patch comes out they’re not gonna bother reading the manual.

    Posted by PW on 2006 06 15 at 07:26 PM • permalink

  27. And where would we get 500lb ‘bio-degradable air dropped munitions’?  Except for Phat Phil, of course.

    Hell, just strap several of the leftoids together. 

    With a few adjustments, and the careful inclusion of lead shims, we can make Mark 82s (leftoid variation) easily enough.  Plus we’ll use more of them with every air strike.

    And we can teach basic math at the same time!  For example:  3 leftoids each weigh 215, 125, and 152 pounds each.  How much lead must be added to attain 500 pounds?

    Maybe we should submit a proposal to Rummy?  Or should we contact Lord Rove?

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 06 15 at 07:43 PM • permalink

  28. Oopsie, did I just use some eliminationist language?? 

    Yes, I did.  My bad!  8^D

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 06 15 at 07:45 PM • permalink

  29. I don’t get it: a fake turkey AND Zarqawi thread, and no sign of Miranda or Addamo?

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 06 15 at 08:28 PM • permalink

  30. Ushie—Two Code Pink members, but they ain’t whatcha call aerodynamic; they’d torque hell outta the underwing pylons…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 15 at 08:35 PM • permalink

  31. ’specially with all the screaming and kicking…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 15 at 08:35 PM • permalink

  32. So Lindorff could have been sent into that house and given the Z-Man a jolly good talking to.  Let me guess how it would have begun: “You’ve been bad but I understand.”

    You see?  No need for violence.

    Posted by Inurbanus on 2006 06 15 at 09:00 PM • permalink

  33. Why kill him? The varmint needed killin’.

    Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 06 15 at 11:28 PM • permalink

  34. Miss me AlburyShifton?

    Fascinating that on the same day the Pentagon announces that 2500 servicemen have died in Iraq, the countdown to the 1000th day since the fake turkey event is considered newsworthy.

    As for Zarqawi, these stories about why and how he died seems like an effort to keep the story alive in the media.  The real question is why didn’t Bush give the go ahead to nail Zarqawi before the invasion, rather than let him live and then run to the UN with the hope of using his presence in Iraq as proof that Saddam and he were going steady?

    Also interesting is that Zarqawi’s famous missing leg suddenly grew back, at least according to the body they recovered.

    But here is the piece de resistance of GOP hypocrisy.  Listen to these scum bags!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/15/gop-senators-defend-propo_n_23083.html

    Up until this week, these same people were referring to the entire insurgency in Iraq as terrorists, and of course, we know that the US does not deal with terrorists right? NOT!

    Well it seems the GOP have had a change of heart and following Malaki’s amnesty plan (read Bush told him to do it), now consider the insurgents to be noble and deserving of forgiveness and reconciliation.  I guess that’s one way to remove the insurgent problem – all you have to do is pretend like they are just a bunch of misunderstood nationalists.

    Had anyone but the GOP suggested this a few months ago, they would have been screamed down by Congress and the media and accused of being a Saddam loving, Zarqawi supporting, terrorist loving sympathizers and apologists.

    Posted by Addamo on 2006 06 16 at 12:08 AM • permalink

  35. #22

    Incidentally, Andy, did you see the Captain’s investigative work on that Canadian political scandal (was it last year?).

    Yes, paco, although I’m proud to say that I was a regular reader of Capt Ed before he took an interest in Canadian politics.

    I seem to recall that there was a blackout on the story in Canada for awhile, and Canadians were actually reading about what was going on in their own country on the Captain’s blog.

    Yes, the original, initial hearings were to be held in an open court but there was a publication ban, so reporters and attendees knew what was going on but no one else in the country did.

    Someone involved in the hearings, whether a journalist/s or court staff, didn’t like this (and conservative blogs were complaining about the privileged being let in on the proceedings while average people were out of luck) and leaked the info to Capt Ed who could safely publish it from his US site. Newspapers helpfully published Ed’s URL, gaining him alot of traffic so that he began a separate page posting for Canadian news on the trial. The courts saw that it wasn’t possible to keep the proceedings secret and lifted the publication ban.

    And it was a major scandal with the federal (liberal) Liberals laundering money for the party and various bagmen through an agency set-up to fight Quebec separtism through a phoney advertising agency, Groupe Action Quebec, that overpaid for ads and advertising campaigns and then pocketed the difference. Some $450-million was (mis)spent with some $60-million still unaccounted for. There were other scams involving photocopying already-done studies, changing the title page and re-billing for them; consultants billing for 60-hr work weeks and the like too. Honest civil servants noticing the problems were overruled. There was a recent conviction (of one Chuck Guité) in the most recent trial just this week.

    Posted by andycanuck on 2006 06 16 at 01:20 AM • permalink

  36. Addamo is your typical emotion driven, finger pointing leftoid mong, no thought process is necessary, just an endless round of finger pointing, whining about anything and everything,It would be nice if just once they gave us a REALISTIC plan, for everyone to live in perfect peace and harmony on Paul McCartneys piano.

    Posted by phillip on 2006 06 16 at 02:36 AM • permalink

  37. Fascinating that on the same day the Pentagon announces that 2500 servicemen have died in Iraq, the countdown to the 1000th day since the fake turkey event is considered newsworthy.

    Addamo, I’m going to say this again, and pay attention this time:

    THIS IS A BLOG. IT IS NOT A FUCKING NEWS SERVICE.

    The most important criterion for an item getting posted here is whether Tim finds it interesting. A close second is whether he thinks his readers will find it interesting. Coming in at dead last is whatever the fuck YOU think about it.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 16 at 03:49 AM • permalink

  38. Fascinating that on the same day the Pentagon announces that 2500 servicemen have died in Iraq, the countdown to the 1000th day since the fake turkey event is considered newsworthy.

    LGF mentions it several times in one post. If you want to read about that sort of thing, Addamo, that’s the blog you should be haunting.

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 06 16 at 07:18 AM • permalink

  39. Fascinating that on the same day the Pentagon announces that 2500 servicemen have died in Iraq ...

    Shorter Addamo: Grim milestone, grim milestone!

    Seriously, given that everybody knew this was coming one of these days, is that announcement newsworthy in any way? Except to the Addamos of the world who have faithfully and enthusiastically been counting along all this time, I mean.

    Posted by PW on 2006 06 16 at 08:12 AM • permalink

  40. As for Zarqawi, these stories about why and how he died seems like an effort to keep the story alive in the media.  The real question is why didn’t Bush give the go ahead to nail Zarqawi before the invasion

    Also interesting is that Zarqawi’s famous missing leg suddenly grew back, at least according to the body they recovered.

    Okay, our forces killed Zarqawi just to build up a news story.  Or why didn’t they kill Zark earlier?  Or it probably wasn’t Zark they killed at all?  Which is it, Addammo?  Are you all over the opinion map again?

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 06 16 at 11:04 AM • permalink

  41. Addamo probably thinks that al Zarqawi was killed in Gaza by US bombs dropped by Saddam Hussein using a fighter borrowed from Iran.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 06 16 at 03:44 PM • permalink

  42. Addamo:– “all you have to do is pretend like they are just a bunch of misunderstood nationalists.”

    You are an Adamski clone.  As you should know, the first Adamski specialised in fiction, like Phil does.

    I’m sure Rumsfeld is now telling the troops not to ‘misunderstand’ roadside and martyr bombers, but see them as genuine expressions of democracy-lovers.

    New Grim Milestone Sighting!!
    SBS News 16/6.  Where else?

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 06 16 at 09:51 PM • permalink

  43. #34 Addamo again:  “The real question is why didn’t Bush give the go ahead to nail Zarqawi before the invasion, rather than let him live and then run to the UN”.

    The real question is why people like you second-guess real decision-makers from your armchair.

    “Why didn’t the UN or the EU give the go-ahead to get Saddam earlier?” Hhhmmm…

    “Why do leftists always say what Bush has NOT done and ignore what he has, while treating the dim-sighted Clinton in the opposite way??”

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 06 16 at 10:00 PM • permalink

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