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Far-right Holocaust denier Frederick Töben and far-left Hamas spinner Antony Loewenstein share similar views (both rail against Zionism and neocons, and hail the likes of Scott Ritter and Robert Fisk as noble dissidents) similar writing styles (Töben’s is less awkward) and similar victimisation fantasies. So it’s no surprise that their websites sometimes look the same.
Loewenstein has expressed puzzlement in the past when Töbenites have linked to his words. They’ll probably be linking again after reading his review of Munich:
Many prominent Jewish groups and Zionists have condemned the work, clearly a sign that Spielberg has created something worthwhile.
Jews don’t like it? It must be good! A debate between Loewenstein and Töben would be interesting; I can’t imagine they’d disagree much on current events. Following is a brief selection of quotes from both their sites – try guessing who wrote what:
* “We need to support the Palestinians in their just cause to oust the Zionist entity from the Middle East.”
* “It was the formation of the Jewish state in 1948 that directly caused the dispossession of untold Palestinians. This injustice is yet to be resolved.”
* “Israel’s current path is leading to inevitable disaster, a walled-in, ghetto-style Zionism defined by occupation and oppression.”
* “Australia’s media is largely under Zionist influence.”
* “Such revelations are a direct threat to Zionist supremacy in media, government and public circles.”
Answers later.
UPDATE. And here are your Tokenstein/Löben answers:
1. Töben
2. Loewenstein
3. Loewenstein
4. Töben
5. Loewenstein
All my answers are guesses made without the aid of google.
We need to support the Palestinians in their just cause to oust the Zionist entity from the Middle East.
Toben
It was the formation of the Jewish state in 1948 that directly caused the dispossession of untold Palestinians. This injustice is yet to be resolved
Lowenstein
Israel’s current path is leading to inevitable disaster, a walled-in, ghetto-style Zionism defined by occupation and oppression
Lowenstein
Australia’s media is largely under Zionist influence
Toben
Such revelations are a direct threat to Zionist supremacy in media, government and public circles.
Toben.
"Top gun” Loewenstein recently justified his brutal occupation of Aboriginal land by saying that he once worked for an unspecified Aboriginal organisation in Victoria.
This whole zionism caper can therefore be easily justified by getting Israelis to work brief stints for Palestinian organisations (such as Suicide Belts ‘R Us) in Israel.
Middle east problem solved. Phew! What was all the fuss about?
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 01 30 at 08:18 PM • permalinkI’m guessing Tokenstein wrote all of them. With some help from Margo.
Posted by Rachel Corrie's Flatmate on 2006 01 30 at 08:21 PM • permalinkFrom a hard line economic perspective Israel is a massive foriegn policy liability
I dont know why the west care.
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 08:47 PM • permalinkAnd don’t forget the Socialist Alliance journal/website!
Posted by WeekByWeek on 2006 01 30 at 08:50 PM • permalinkm—Yeah, we should, cause not many people are using globes as an excuse to blow up buildings…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 01 30 at 09:08 PM • permalinkLooneystein, the land of the faux Jew, formed from decaying lice and oily dead reptiles originating from the liberal fever swamps of time past and out o’ mind. For 58 years the natives of this wretched stretch of emptiness,ever since the seven Arab countries, before there were such things that called themselves Paleos (once called Jordanians), attacked the nation Israel to drive the JOOZionists into the sea and back to the German Vacation Camps, ever since then the wretched natives of this wretched land have each day retched their bile into the western winds to curse the day the JOOZionists were able to protect their young, make the land flourish, the sea sparkle, the air pure, and their people, and the Arabs, both Muslims and Christains, who live amongst them, free- all the while the newly formed peoples called Paleos have lived, for 58 years, on the dole given by the bleeding hearts (whom the Paleos curse every moment of every day), who have forced their young into suicide- homicide, have desecrated the land so it will not even sprout weeds, and now,with the imposition of Shari law, placed into slavery Christain Arabs. How miserable it is to live in Looneystein, nothing to celebrate, only pain and misery each day that you find yourself alone in your rage, each day to learn that no one gives a a flying fuck what you say or think.
#7 still has the stench of Looneystein on his tongue. “Hard Line Economic Perspective”.
Who but a member of Looneystein would look at the world from this short end of the telescope. But even if we are justified in doing so, we still owe Israel a fortune in gold for taking out of the Sadass nulear facility. Even if it had done nothing else for the West, we still would owe it in economic terms. You admit your ignorance when you say, “I don’t know why the west care [sic].” The West cares because it is concerned with freedom in the world, and, most of all, its own survival. The West understands that Israel, the only free (until recently) democracy in the Middle East is the canary in the mine. (Figure that out.)From a hard line economic perspective Israel is a massive foriegn policy liability
I dont know why the west care.
Freedom and civilization. Worth more than any dollars spent defending Israel.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 01 30 at 09:35 PM • permalinkThe Weekend Australian last weekend had a giant front page splash about the lady Ms Venn-Brown, who was girlfriend of the first Mossad Munich-related assassinatee, Mr Zwaiter. She rabbits on about what a nice gentle chap he was, wouldn’t hurt a fly, aint Mossad awful. In the spill on p6, far down (in fact 6th last para), she says: "Sometimes I even think the Israelis engineered Munich."
Clearly if The Australian subs had put that in the early part of the story, the whole thing would have been ruined. :-(Look when they annex bethlahem and the church of the nativity and give it to the christians as our holy land then i’ll reconsider.
until that day we are at war and our hummers got a squeaky wheel !
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 09:43 PM • permalinkheck you guys might be right maybe I am a
defeatistPosted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 09:48 PM • permalinkActually Israel is by far the best investment the West has in the Middle East “from a hardline economic perspective.”
For those who choose to think that way. Bat Star not only has the global outlook of a pinhole facing south. He has the commercial, economic and geopolitical acumen of a disco dancing Jihadist on Christmas Day.
ever heard of the USS Liberty genius.
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 10:08 PM • permalinksorry link mistake USS Liberty
these guys are not on our side !
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 10:09 PM • permalinkand dont forget the 12+ years of economic malaise thanks to oil prices quadrupling during the Yom Kippur War.
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 10:13 PM • permalinkNot their fault at all - they were attacked.
But why did I have to pay for it?
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 10:20 PM • permalink#17MoonBatGaulactica: Bethlahem is not in Israel, it is controlled by the Paleos, the ones you love, who are now going (according to Hamas) to impose Shari law, which makes all Christians fourth grade subjects of the Caliphate. (All women are, of course, third grade subjects, except Christian women who, from my personal experience in the Midlle-East, are all considered whores). Just from an economic standpoint, as well as all other perspectives, such as personal freedom, which are lesss important to you, Christians are much better off among the Israelis than among the Araftities. (Remember what outrages the Paleos committed a couple of years ago when they took over the Church of the Nativity? Of course, you don’t remeber, you were on your moonbat ride to another world.)
I hate the Paleos also - they cost me money as well.
give whole lot should be given back to the Brits
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 10:24 PM • permalinkMurph
I am Isrambivalent
you like Töben are in Denial - just a different kind
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 10:30 PM • permalink#24, #25, MoonBat Gaulistica rides in from Loonystein to dredge up the USS Liberty and the Yom Kippur War. Ah, the Yom Kippur War! The Arabs attack the Jews in a Pearl Harbor sneak and then cut off oil supplies ‘cause their losing, so BLAME George Bush! OOPS Excuse me, BLAME the JEWS. 12+years of economic malaise. You are an off the planet idiot. There were 4 years of economic malaise under Jimmy Carter, your best friend in Looneystein (20% interest rates, 12% inflation, unemployment at a record high, etc. with Jimmy and his lush Brother Billy declaring that MALAISE was the natural state for the USA.) As for the USS Liberty, investigation after investigation (unreported in the anti-semite website you reference) showed that it was an error made in the midst of a war. Or have you heard of ‘friendly fire’. Strange, that if these guys are not on our side, that every President since Truman (except for your sidekick Cahtah) has considered Israel an indespensible ally. Only USA hating leftoids like yoursel can consider Israel a threat to your desire to see the West sink under Shari Law.
#32 B/S Gaul- So you hate anyone who costs you money! You must hate the local grocer a lot. In fact you must be consumed by hate of the Church when they pass the plate around. Clearly you are so consumed by hate that you have found your proper place in Looneystein. And unable to answer Murph, when you cannot face the facts, you use the leftoid psycobabble (denial, denial, denial) to get you free of a crushing discourse so you can return home without a thought to discomfort you. (By the way, why should we believe that Toben is in denial. Can we not accept the simpler explanation that he is just a liar.)
What makes you think BSG is a lefty? May be just a regular anti-Semite.
In other news, the Palestinian Cabinet has just been sworn in.
Battlestar just needs to be honest and break into a rousing chorus of “tomorrow belongs to me”, break a few windows and start cutting out a few yellow stars.
Name another war where the losers didnt end up losing land?
Apart from the couple of UN sanctioned quambyfests that keep a grievance industry going?Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 01 30 at 10:50 PM • permalinkStats
the desecration and destruction of churches has always been part of Jihadist ideology. The defecations and descrations in the siege at the Church of the Nativity would have been far far worse if it had been located in eg. Kosovo,without the presence of the IDF.
The increasingly secular left does not regard suvh outrages as important and the Vatican has been to often silent on the subject of the oppression of their flocks inside dar al Islam.
In any case there are hardly any arab Christians left in Bethlehem most having left for Israel or abroad after a campaign of rape, murder and plunder by the PLO thugs.The remaining christians will have to shout loudly against Israel if they are to avoid the same fate under Hamas.
The sufferings are of course sub judice as far as the MSM are concerned.or we could give it to these url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_horse]blokes[/url]
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 10:54 PM • permalinkStats
wadeing thru your really original name calling
Can you show me any links of how they actual are an ally? i.e. any links to helping the Anglosphere in any wars? Korea? Vietnam? any links to their rates of enlistment in Anglosphere armed forces? any help Gulf War V1.0?
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 11:09 PM • permalinkCattlecar is officaly a troll or a 15 year old serial self abuser.
Irael helped immensely in the 1st gulf war by NOT lobbing a few tac nukes in the general direction of Baghdad.
Remember the dire predictions made of Islamic reaction to Saddams (admittedly ineffective) SCUD strikes?Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 01 30 at 11:14 PM • permalinkLook
At the rate were going most people cars will last longer than western civilisation.
2-3-4000 years of civilisation is going down the drain while we worry about a place the size of Frazer Island
Its just a waste of time, money, effort, and just doesn’t make sense
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 11:14 PM • permalinkAah, when it comes to politics it’s not a straight line, it’s a circle. The loon left and ratty right have always had tons in common, particularly anti-semitism and bad taste in clothes.
Posted by Major Anya on 2006 01 30 at 11:17 PM • permalink46. If we allow Israel to go down the drain it means that we are no better than the Islamists and their appeasers.
They are a tiny democracy surrounded by millions who want them wiped off the planet simply because they exist.
I thought the Left were supposed to support the underdog?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 01 30 at 11:19 PM • permalinkIslam dictates the limits of free speech EVEN in the West! Danes Beware!
Better check it out, because you won’t see it on the ABC or SBS!Stats - or how they help anyone else around the world fighting the very same evil that they are? i.e.
any military or aid moneys to
Belsan?
The Christians and others in Aceh, or the Moro Islands?
The Christians and others in Sudan, or many places in Africa?Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 30 at 11:41 PM • permalinkBattlestar
Take a tip explore the economic concept of
bi-lateral donor.And hereare a more deserving people into whose hands we should be leaving it.
1.Can you show me any links of how they actual are an ally? blah blah
You mean apart from the Zionist Brigade which Monash instituted during the Gallipoli campaign, or the thirty thousand Palestinian Jews who fought with the Allies in WW1. Or people like the two Weizmanns , uncle and nephew both of whom in their lifetimes served Britain, and both served terms as Israeli presidents
Or would you like a definitive list of the military decorations in both world wars which were awarded to Jews and Israelis.
Your ignorance is compounded by your evident inability to conduct your own research.
#35 Stats,
Actually the Eisenhower Administration was very cool towards Israel, with an arms embargo on the country, considering it too close to the USSR politically. Eisenhower made great efforts to get Nasser to be our good buddy, but Nasser preferred to be “nonaligned”, which actually meant aligned with the USSR. Since his ambition was to be the socialist dictator of Egypt it made more sense to go with a Socialist Dictatorship than with a democracy. Nasser proceeded to make Egypt the enemy of the US, trying to drive US influence out of the Middle East, spewing out propaganda against us with the Egyptian radio, TV and other cultural influences which are very big in the Arab world. It wasn’t until the Kennedy Administration that the US government warmed towards Israel, when some of them finally realized how hostile Egypt under Nasser really was. So the hostility of radical Arabs to the US started when the US had an arms embargo on Israel and was not supporting it except perfunctorily. If Israel had never existed they would still have been hostile to us, for they considered us an enemy for other reasons.As for the economic problems of the 1970s, they were primarily self-inflicted. The oil problems were actually the result of government controls. The Nixon Administartion knew better but put them in anyway. The Carter Administration was too ignorant to know better. That plus inflation (a monetary phenomenon, not a phenomenon of what we might call the physical economy of goods and services) screwed the US over until Reagan and Volker came along to fix things up. When Reagan decontrolled oil the oil problems vanished like smoke. It was an excellent lesson in the stupidity of government trying to control markets but too many people still do not, or refuse to, understand it.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 01 31 at 12:07 AM • permalinkAah, when it comes to politics it’s not a straight line, it’s a circle. The loon left and ratty right have always had tons in common, particularly anti-semitism and bad taste in clothes.
Gotta disagree there, Major- if WW2 had’ve been a fashion parade, the Hun would’ve won hands down.
Certainly commie uniforms are shabby, ill-fitting and poor quality (except for the galoots with the scrambled egg on their oversize hats), but even the most lowly Wermacht potato-peeler looked like Beau Brummel compared to the slovenly Western allies. (The frogs looked like they should’ve been opening car doors outside the Ritz).
Sheesh
and here I was wondering where the PCers got their debate stifling tackics from!
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 31 at 12:39 AM • permalinkKK
wrong the difference is that there is a return on those investments for the society that I live in.
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 31 at 12:40 AM • permalinkRegarding ‘Munich’, The Australian joins the chorus to focus on the ‘vengeance’ and ‘the eye for an eye’ ‘cycle of violence’ moral equivalence theme of Spielberg, who distorted the original book which was titled Vengeance. The author is not amused, and describes what occurred in the long scripting process. Look him up online.
Little attention is given to the historical context in which the world was fighting PLO airplane terror, and Israel was under real threat until, in late 1973, it was almost wiped out on Yom Kippur.
So what Mossad did was very effective self defence, proportionately killing nearly all the terrorists involved with little collateral damage. They even spared the families where possible. So they get an Apologia from a famous Jew!
Mossad defended Israelis in a war situation and no one knows how many they saved by their clever pursuit. They ‘struck terror’ into the PLO, we are told. How indecent! And isn’t that what war requires?
There can be no comparison with ‘revenge’, which could have meant a merciless, disproportionate, indiscriminate attack on innocent Palestinians instead, just like the sickening Olympic slaughter was.
Don’t ask the Woollywood or most Western media to understand just war theory. They’re too blindly biased.
When Spielberg complains nothing has changed, that’s the truth…There’s one very good reason to support the existence of Israel - it’s so we can convert them to Christianity in the end times/second coming.
;)Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 01 31 at 12:53 AM • permalinkBattlestar, the road to ruin is made up of a thousand little steps. What do I mean? Ok, let Israel burn. Then what? You’ve now got Islamic extremists unchallanged in the region. But that’s ok, its still far away and won’t harm us. France is having trouble with Muslim riots? Ok, let them burn, its still far away. Denmark? Same deal. Spain. Screw ‘em. England? Still an ocean away. How long until we are faced with something so huge we can’t stop it? If we don’t fight back now, and yes it will cost us money, then it won’t remain far away for long.
Posted by MikeTheLibrarian on 2006 01 31 at 01:03 AM • permalinkBattlestarGallactica,
You made your points rather forcefully, but no one agrees with you, so now you bitch about “debate stifling tackics”?
We’ve ALL heard those “what ally?” complaints before - always about Israel, never about anyone else - and no longer care to waste our time with them. Got it?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 01 31 at 01:10 AM • permalinkwrong the difference is that there is a return on those investments for the society that I live in.
I guess you’re just too ignorant to see the return on an investment that we shall call, oh, “support for the only beacon of democracy in the Middle East”, then. I suppose you were against the Iraq war on the same grounds, as well, unless you’re in fact the only righty for whom the war really was all about the oil, because that’s the only “pure” economic justification I could come up for that one. That would truly put you into a very special camp.
Israel is the only functioning democracy in a sea of barbarism and BSG wants to write them off because they ain’t Christians. Well, that and the fact that they were too busy trying to survive to help us out in Vietnam.
As far as helping us out as allies… remember that time they blew up Iraq’s nearly functional nuclear reactor? Huh… huh… that was cool.
Posted by Matt Moore on 2006 01 31 at 01:15 AM • permalinkJono beats me to it, and he remembers the name of the damn thing.
Posted by Matt Moore on 2006 01 31 at 01:16 AM • permalinkFrom a hard line economic perspective Israel is a massive foriegn policy liability
So? We’re not Marxists, to talk of everything in economic terms. Conservatives, at least the traditional ones, were at least rhetorically on the side of civilation against the uncivilized, even when it offended the uncivilized.
But, the fact is, Israel isn’t a liability to our foreign policy. The United States, as the largest and most successful Christian and Western nation in the world, is going to face the same Third World Islamist hostility whether it aids or writes off Israel. Especially since it has the largest Jewish population in the world, and accordingly its private citizens will support Israel against anti-Semetic genocidal loons like Hamas in sufficient numbers to tar even a neutral U.S. as pro-Zionist.
The only thing abandoning Israel would do is send a signal of encouragment the Islamolunatics. And that would be a truly expensive foreign policy liability.
Posted by Warmongering Lunatic on 2006 01 31 at 01:19 AM • permalink"It wasn’t until the Kennedy Administration that the US government warmed towards Israel”
Yes this is a sadly neglected truth but on ther hand the AMERICAN PEOPLE were very much supportive of Israel since the day of its creation despite the abortion attempts of the British and american governments.
Whilsts the State department and the american elite were wothout doubt antisemitic ( Ford promoted the “protocols” heavily and his son edsel escape prosecution for treasn narrowly ), successive administrations after Roosevelt and to veil their themselves carfully. America refused to arm Israel and for ten years the french and Germans supplied them.
However in relative terms to many other democratic countries it has to be put in context that the american Gov was a “freind to Israel”, driven by the democratic wishes of its own GENTILES peopleS, not by the wishes of the whatt the leftists and extrene right call the “ JEWISH Cabal”.
Mahatir the fascist leader of malaysia complained about this when he accused the Jews of inventing democracy so they could achieve equal standing with the non jewish community! And he got a standing ovation!!#61 ok, in that case israel provides a beacon of hope for those who don’t want to live under sharia or the rule of the gun. don’t be mistaken - these guys hate democracy and hate you too. think your anti-israel views would save you? sorry mate, they even kill aid workers who have dedicated their whole lives to helping them. i notice that although you question aid to israel, you haven’t mentioned cutting aid to the palestinian authority
o.k. o.k. maybe you guys are right
So Saddam would have Nuked Iran and we would have had the same scenario in the Movie url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085404/]The Day After[/url] that my lefty moonbat teachers made us watch as 13 yos at school
Thanks for the links guys it Seems the Mossad is very efficient which I like
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 31 at 01:36 AM • permalink#43
Can you show me any links of how they actual are an ally? i.e. any links to helping the Anglosphere in any wars?
Ask who developed plenty of the technology used, flown, sailed, shot and driven by the allied military in the wars.Then ask why the Israelis are so experienced at it, and you might start to see the point.
Also, as you seem to be dirty about US aid, bear in mind, Israel gets nearly all its aid from the United States, Arab nations on the other hand have gotten assistance from Asia, Eastern Europe, the Soviet Union and the European Community. You don’t hear many complaints about that of course.
However, the US also gives billions of dollars to Arab countries. In return, they get absolutely nothing.
Nobody in Israel (save for the Palestinians of course) is calling for America’s destruction. Plenty of the paycheque recipients of US Aid on the other hand do.
Tellingly, you don’t hear the same people complaining about aid to Egypt etc.
Our leader Karl Rove has obviously paid BSG to act like an agent provocateur, in order to show the guys at Larvatus Prodeo and similar places that it’s easily possible to out-right-wing the consensus here at Tim Blair’s (and that the consensus will fight back against such idiotarianism from our own side), thereby undermining their frequent unsubstantiated claims that we’re all a bunch of far-right nutcases here. Brilliant ploy!
#75 Davo that link is sheer crap. The author also thinks the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.
#81
Wow! but looking further i cannot find any statements about 9/11 from him. Only some reference to Jared Israel who is strongly anti jihadist and accuses Clinton of fabricating anti serb sentiment in the west to bomb serbia. i’ll look fpr Jared’s 911 statements.
Francisco White may be a bit of conspiracy theorist but i would never have picked hima as a “the CIA blew ip the twin towers” nut job!From a hard line economic perspective Israel is a massive foriegn policy liability
there’s a slogan to live by: Let the Jews die so the Arabs will give us oil.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 01 31 at 02:51 AM • permalinkA prominent neo-nazi group say that they are big fans of Andrew Bolt
Does this mean that Andrew bolt is a Nazi, Tim?Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 01 31 at 03:36 AM • permalink#86- you linked to darp how’s website- where’s the connection to Andrew Bolt?
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 01 31 at 04:16 AM • permalinkLuke Connors, media representative for the neo-nazi, Patriotic Youth League, gives an interview in the provided link.
Darp is a tool doubt, but he has nothing to do with that interview.
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 01 31 at 04:22 AM • permalink#88- Nup- looked and cant find it. Are you sure that Matt Hau isnt the real neo nazi here? it’s his site after all.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 01 31 at 04:39 AM • permalinkDoes this mean that Andrew bolt is a Nazi?
Can you point out any instances where Andrew Bolt in fact uses language that would make the average person think he’s a Nazi? You know, the way that Antony Loewenstein in fact does hit the exact same notes that antisemites like this Toben guy do?
Nobody’s tarring Loewenstein with guilt by association, your inept strawman notwithstanding; he’s being called antisemitic because of his own words. The observation that they make him sound just like other prominent antisemites is just that: an observation, not an accusation in itself.
#43 B/S Gaul Wants evidence Israel is an ally of the USA. Hell, ask any Arab beheader and it will tell you that.
Others above have supplied evidence of physical, including military, aid to the USA from Israel. For substantive documentation of political aid, google UN votes and you will find, with patient counting, (I don’t think you have enough fingers and toes so bring along your leftoid friends to help)that Israel has supported the USA in 92% of its non-Israeli associated resolutions.
I see you regard the presentation of facts as a tactic to suppress debate. Well, that is expected of the looney left. No facts will free you of your overwhelming hate of the JOOOZionists, of America, of truth. Best you immigrate to some Arab land where your hatred will not be suppressed by facts. But be careful not to be trampled by the Herd of Muslims stampeding to enter the golden doors of the West.#56. You’re right and I apologize, Eisenhower did start out cool to Israel in the sense that he thought the Arabs could be won by logic and self-interest to the side of the USA. He even saved Nasser’s ass when attacked by Britain, France, Israel. His reward was betrayal by the Arabs as they rejected his help and joined the Soviet Union as its ally. As your exposition indicates, he became, in the end, disillusioned with Nasser. But not his Sec. of State, John (brinkmanship) Dulles, who thought and acted as a precursor in int’l affairs to todays looney lefties, and whose influence on the USA State Dep’t lasts to this day. But there have been a number of Presidents since, all of whom have considered Israel an indispensable ally. (By the way, it was under Eisehower that the stampede of Muslims and Arab Christians, then in slow motion, began its movement to Western Lands to escape the blight of those governments that B/S Galactica so adores.)
Flavius Antonius must fly to Gaza immediately and demand Hamas embrace diversity before all those poor Scandinavians are victimized.
Yup. And Pamele Anderson must kick down my door and tear my clothes off. I ain’t waiting.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 01 31 at 11:23 AM • permalinkIsolationism is a generally low-quality idea, or set of ideas, whether it’s coming from lefties or righties. Bad economically, bad culturally, bad all around. Substantive arguments against it are posted above, by Michael Lonie (56), PW (68), Warmongering Lunatic (71), and Dan Lewis (79), plus the perfect insult for it was devised by Geoff (21). So I’ve nothing constructive to add, but, the rest of this thread, jeepers! BSG is definitely not a “leftist” and KK is positively definitly not one either. Catch a breath, y’all!
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 01 31 at 12:01 PM • permalink#99, SDD, I didn’t catch BattlestarGalactica as a lefty either. Instead, I got the impression of somebody who has a poor grasp of world affairs and/or economics and who reads conspiracy-nut websites he’d do far better to avoid.
KK posts here all the time, she’s one of the RWDB minions in charge of Death Ray Laser Janitorial Maintenance, I think.
Instead, I got the impression of somebody who has a poor grasp of world affairs and/or economics
I’m down with that. But y’all ain’t gonna wise him up any by shrieking about what a “lefty” he is.
KK posts here all the time, she’s one of the RWDB minions in charge of Death Ray Laser Janitorial Maintenance, I think.
There ya go, eh? When I see KK getting called a leftist, I start thinking “Maybe I’ve finally seen it all.” But no. I’ll get called one, and maybe so will you, one of these times.
Remember boys and girls: “Being right is no defense against adult-onset fanaticism.” - Huck Foley, 2005.Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 01 31 at 12:59 PM • permalinkBut y’all ain’t gonna wise him up any by shrieking about what a “lefty” he is.
True enough, and I’m still confused as to what prompted this outburst by BSG (he’s been registered on this blog since nearly day one - only some 75 [mostly benign, IIRC] comments in over a year, now almost 20 on this thread alone). But in fairness, it is awfully difficult to distinguish the Buchananite right from the Kossack left these days.
o.k. o.k. I admit it - I was wrong !
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 31 at 04:49 PM • permalinkPost 104 is proof positive of BSG’s non-leftitude, imho. When’s the last time you saw Fisk, Pilger, or Lowenswine say anything like that?
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 01 31 at 05:56 PM • permalinkThis reminds me of my favorite online quote quiz. Can you tell which quotation is from Al Gore’s Earth in the Balance and which quotation is from the Unabomber’s Manifesto (which most media depicted as an incoherent environmentalist screed against modern life).
Link to 12 question quiz: Al Gore or the Unabomber Quiz.
James Lindgren
Northwestern Univ.
USAPosted by James Lindgren on 2006 01 31 at 07:31 PM • permalinkhow about a bin laden - phillip adams quiz - that would be good
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 01 31 at 09:27 PM • permalinkAll right, Tim! Stop keeping us in suspense! What are the correct answers?!?!?!?!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 01 31 at 10:13 PM • permalinkThank you, Tim! Even if I did only get 3 out of five.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 02 01 at 02:53 AM • permalink#102- ‘Darp’? ahem… he prefers to be called ‘The Ebony Midget’ - so if you dont mind?
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 02 01 at 05:09 AM • permalink#77--Do you REALLY think Saddam would’ve been content with nuking only Iran? SADDAM? He does things like gassing his own citizens for the giggles it gives his kids & you think it would calm him into sanity if he could’ve just vaporised his neighbors?
The Day After is a movie...Saddam was the real deal. Israel is worth almost any amount of aid just for that. IM(seldom)HO…
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