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“When Dorothea Mackellar wrote about droughts and flooding rains, we don’t think she had the current crazy climate in mind.” So claim the warmenist makers of this film. Well, no; Mackellar had in mind the crazy climate of 100 years ago, when things were evidently much the same. The definitions of “drought” and “flood” haven’t changed since 1907.
The definitions of “drought” and “flood” haven’t changed since 1907.
Tim, you’re taking Dorothea out of context.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 07 11 at 03:52 AM • permalinkYou don’t meet many people named Dorothea these days. Strange days indeed.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 07 11 at 03:56 AM • permalinkW T Goodge wrote better poems than that about the rugged Australian outback and the great Aussie adjective as well. He would have had a few pithy things to say about the current craze of warmening.
Maybe she had a Poetry And Confused Observation machine…..
Posted by Fast Eddie on 2007 07 11 at 04:14 AM • permalinkLets look at the facts: Dorothea Mackellar apparently knew about Globular Warmenising 100 years ago.
‘Dorothea Mackellar’ can also be rendered as ‘Theodore Mackerel’ (if you are kind of flippant and happen to lose a couple of letters.)I smell a conspiracy, I just don’t know, was it a warning? A plot to convince us that Globular Warmenising isn’t evidence of a natural cycle of cooling and heating of our atmosphere? I’d blame Bush except we all know that time travel is impossible.
The truth is out there people, way out there.
/Moonbat off/Well, to be fair as the definition of drought is a frequency distribution of rainfall over a given length of time, it changes all the time. I suppose the ‘definition’ doesn’t, though. And global average temperature is 0.8 degrees higher than 100 years ago.
But yep, the federation drought was just as bad as this one (except for SEQ), but economically the federation drought was proportionally worse for Australia.
Dorothea Mackellar’s poem is one of the things I use to point out that things really haven’t changed in a hundred years.
Posted by Jack Lacton on 2007 07 11 at 04:36 AM • permalink#8
Nostradamus didn’t predict global warming 500 years ago therefore it doesn’t exist.
/moonbat off
Posted by Jack Lacton on 2007 07 11 at 04:39 AM • permalinkMackellar grew at Gunnedah. Her poem was written about her experiences on her brothers farm. There are official weather figures for the time. 1906-1907 show long periods of below average rain punctuated by a couple of months of torrential downpours. Bit like 2006-2007.
What the warmenists won’t acknowledge is that weather records only go back 150 years in Australia. The chances of a record of any kind being broken is pretty well the same as the chances of a record being broken at the Olympics.
“The ad shows our team of filmmakers in a number of different locations where climate change has had serious effects, and calls for a 30% reduction in greenhouse emissions by 2020.”
Only 30%!!! Splitters!!!!!Reactionary running dogs of the capitalist system!!!
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 07 11 at 04:43 AM • permalink#11 Jack Lacton
Hmm, fair point. :)
I spoke to my dad on the phone last night, and he was cracking up about the local news saying that the ‘unseasonal’ cold and wet weather in North Queensland was obvious evidence of GW / CC / Whatever it is this week.As he said, “Son, people have to look up somedays and ask themselves, I wonder what that big yellow thing up there really does? Are all of these people f*cking thick or what?”
“smothered in chili sauce”
The famous Paco “flaming anus” brand chili??
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Oraganism?Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 07 11 at 05:12 AM • permalinkMaybe just a tad O/T -today’s socialist morning herald, published in Sydney. A couple of excerpts from an even handed report on the doco The Great Global Warming Swindle.
“ABC TV came under renewed pressure today about its decision to air a misleading and scientifically flawed climate change documentary, with the Australian National University holding a forum to debunk the program.”
“Respected journal The New Scientist has also re-issued a guide to climate change myths and misconceptions it put together earlier this year, when The Great Global Warning Swindle was aired in the UK.”
“Despite the claims made in The Great Global Warming Swindle, there is now an overwhelming amount of evidence that the world is warming, and that this warming is due to increased levels of greenhouse gases caused by human activity,” said the journal.”
And a little further on….
“One of the so-called experts on the ABC’s panel that will debate climate change is retired James Cook University professor Bob Carter.Professor Carter, whose background is in marine geology, appears to have little, if any, standing in the Australian climate science community.
He is on the research committee at the Institute of Public Affairs, a think tank that has received funding from oil and tobacco companies, and whose directors sit on the boards of companies in the fossil fuel sector.”
I think it’s good that a paper that some of us consider just a leeeeeeeeeeedle bit leftish in some ways can be so magisterially impartial on such an important matter of public interest.
Don’t you??
Cheers
RodCMy great great grandparents were forced off the family farm at Spring Creek near Drayton in Queensland by the Big Dry of 1890s. They headed down the coast towards Sydney where they eventually settled.
I keep telling my kids that droughts and floods are nothing new in Australia. As you pointed out, Tim, Dorothea Mackellar was familiar with them 103 years ago.
Pity alarmists don’t look back further than 10 years or so. It’s long been thought that the Mayan civilization in Mexico’s Yucatan peninsula collapsed because of a major drought between 800 and 900 AD. Core samples of ice taken in the Arctic also show distinctive signs of receding ice throughout millennia.
The world may be going through a warming period but the aim of far too many on the bandwagon is simply to profit from it. Others beating the drum are seeking political gain or professional advancement.
Rod C
Oops my Freudian slip is showing??
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 07 11 at 05:21 AM • permalink#23 Rod C
Yep, butthat lying prickProf Flummery is feted and all of his unqualified remarks treated as gospel to this warped little religion.
I will now treat the SMH with an even greater level of ‘Lofty Disdain’ than before.O/T, but if I ever change my name, it’ll be to ‘Lofty Disdain’.
It ain’t easy being green. (Old unit joke)Ash, there you are! I’ll ask you personally now, was this one of yours?
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 07 11 at 05:28 AM • permalinkMy wife buys a lovely brand of hot sauce named Ass Kickin Hot Sauce which claims to be kick yo ass hot.
And it is.
They also make Ass Kickin Ketchup, Mustard, Salsa, and others.This stuff is so hot, you will know EXACTLY where it is in your digestive tract throughout the entire course. Ending with a tear and scream inducing finale.
Ash,
Whilst I like garlic salt on the scotch fillet,and love chilli with most things. But I do not want chilli on my chips or barbecue sauce on my tomatoes!I hope you are not contributing to global warming with your hot and spicy diet.I suspect you could well be producing more than just CO2 emissions.
#23 I suppose the scientific community has always had its share of glory hounds and profit seekers. But it seems that in days past, at least the scientists could support their position with actual scientific data and analysis. Nowadays it appears you only need to dream up an unsubstantiated hypothesis and immediately publish it as scientific law.
I love “A Sunburnt Country” by Dorothea Mc Kellar.
But I doubt Dorothea ever came to Darwin,as she was not able to forecast the bitter cold we are experiencing this year in her wonderful poem.
Last night’s minimum was 17 degrees C and today’s maximum only got to 27 degrees C. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Global Cooling Continues…..at least here in Darwin, my home for almost 30 years!
One of the guys at the UWA job had a bottle of chili sauce, can’t tell you the brand BUT I dipped the end of my little finger in and licked. Gawdorlmitey, I thought my insides had just caught fire.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 07 11 at 05:45 AM • permalinkMy brother-in-law, knowing I like good chilli and hot curries, once brought me back from the States a bottle of hot sauce labelled Ass In The Tub Hot Sauce. As they say, good chilli burns twice.
Hot stuff like chili sauce is EVIL.... it contributes to gorebull wormenating. My Grade II teacher told me when she was givng a history lesson how HoWARd was told by Hitler to attack the Japanese Navy. The geography teacher showed us on the map how Japan was part of Hawaii where we went for a holiday. There is a ship there sunk by HoWARds navy but they were all sunk too by the English I think who had a big ship called the Queen of Scotland but I cant remember for sure
#48 Ash, I freeze when the temperature gets lower than 25 degrees C.
27 degrees C is of course very pleasant. The temperature here is almost always over 30 degrees C almost everyday of the year.
I am outside now typing this, and its getting VERY cold.
Tomorrow we are expecting a maximum of 28 degrees and an overnight mininmum of 17 degrees…..BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
Good night all!!
#57 Ash_
No, that wouldn’t be right, ‘Suicide by Gastrointestinal Napalm’ or SBGN as the Larval Protien folks call it, is one of the biggest scourges our police force face. :)Besides, a brilliant legal mind needs someone to indoctrinate her into the VRWC, remember?
Oh, and for ‘Spring Chili Shakespeare Picnic’ I don’t know which play will be on, but it’s in the Botanic Gardens in town, so we can have chili sauce and breathe on the plants afterwards, thus honouring the humble aboriginal farming practices of setting the place afire!
Oh, and I suggest we take Texas Bob’s advice and just say we’re there to take an inventory of canned air for the black helicopter’s tires, or something.
Please be prepared to run, I think that there might be something guarding the mead, or we might bump into the rest of the VRWC with the same plan. :)2 words
SriLankan food.
That’s all.
Oh, and curried, dried anchovies taste much better than they sound.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 07 11 at 06:07 AM • permalinklooks toward teh sekrit stash of earthenware jars filled with the nectar of the gourds and snickers, imagining Wronwright’s ire if he ever realised what they contained…...
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 06:08 AM • permalinkYou know that globull worming and climactic change have jumped the shark (and I don’t even understand that particularly stupid saying) when it takes 15 comments to get to the more important stuff.
Like the pretty basic carbonara we had for dinner here.
Tomorrow I’m thinking risotto.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 06:11 AM • permalink#64 I don’t think I’d die from it, 185600, but I’d certainly need an extensive stay in ICU or a burns ward.
You’re right, a brilliant legal mind does need someone to indoctrinate her. It’s a good thing that if something happens to me, the people who will become her guardians are also in the VRWC.
I think the chances of something guarding the mead are extremely high, that’s why it’s a trained professional going in, and not me!
#67
Welcome back Nilk, someone commented that you were AWL.Jumping the Shark comes from one of the last episodes of Happy Days when Fonz jumped a shark. It’s usually used to describe the point when something is beyond saving. I’m sure if you search “jump the shark” you’ll find it.
Chili? Yuck. Give me a hot pepper sauce (NOT chili peppers, peppercorns).
#68 Ash_
I think the chances of something guarding the mead are extremely high, that’s why it’s a trained professional going in, and not meHmm, a slightly more paranoid person would think you plan to use me as the distraction, so that whilst whatever is down there is disemboweling me or making me watch the Kevin Rudd/Julia Gillard sex video, you can steal the mead.
Of course, I do trust you (Makes note to self - trust no-one)
Besides, I’m a trained professional in my business, but we’re talking big league here. :)
#74 Ash_
Operation Mead Liberate Lift Snatch Borrow Surprise planning is underway, so I am afraid it is a going to be a little ‘need to know’ for you.That said, um, extra training? The VRWC has a freakin’ Weather Control Device for Christ’s sake! They have the ability to launch the Gorebot! They can make Lefty minds explode!
Note to self: I am not going to wear a tinfoil hat. Ever.
Um, I’ll get back to you on the training angle. :)
#76 Ash_
Torture at the hands of Wronwright? He’s craftier than you think, he won’t use torture, he’ll use coercion and the man is reputed to be good. Well, erratic, and never around when he’s needed, and there was that time he…I digress.I figure we wait until there’s an open thread at Tim’s and they’re all deep in their cups when we strike.
Got that bit from ‘Hamlet’Then we replace all the mead he’s missing with ‘Aship’s Gastrointestinal Napalm’.
Now, I have to find a goat suit, apparently if I can impersonate some guy called ‘Stoop Davy Dave’ we are home and hammered. :)
There’s also a decently warm brand out there called Scorned Woman. It too will cause your diaphragm to spasm, but I think they rely a bit too much on the habanera. Yeah, the habanera is hot, but I find its taste unpleasant.
I you could take the habanera’s heat, and retain the jalapeno flavor, you’d have something.
I don’t know what constitutes hot in Oz, but I can say that these Germans have the palates of an infant harp seal. Ketchup is too spicy for many here. I had a few German friends over for my last birthday party. We made up some rather bland salsa just for them. No heat whatsoever. Several of them were whining that their mouths were burning.
In Texas we train our kids to eat peppers almost from birth. When I was three my father shoved a fat ripe jalapeno in my mouth. Its kind of like circumcision, best done when your young.There is a very interesting theory that the Moons proximity to the Earth alters over 40 year cycles. The last 40years have been very dry due to this cycle and now we are in for similar weather patterns of 1930’s 40’s and 50’s. But I am not a climate expert unlike everyone you read or hear these days.
I once made a hot curry and shared it with my brother. He was sick for two days. (I was fine though.)
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 11 at 07:07 AM • permalinkHey! Why is the Pope going on about other denominations not being real churches?
You’d think with things the way they are with the muslims, he’d be avoiding the equivalency to the shia-sunni struggles.
Excuse me Mr. Pope, but I believe you might want to hold off on the Protestant bashing until we’ve removed the current threat. Donchya think?#93
I’d distract the imam by flashing a cannonball, then I’d get stoned to death.
Flash the imammaries?
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 11 at 07:14 AM • permalinkYou guys be careful down there. I might have accidentally forgot to lock up that stupid ornery Saurischia that wronwright just had to have on that last trip to the Late Cretaceous that we took in the Tardis. I might have accidentally just thrown in down in there, and since I might have accidentally kicked it 30 or 40 times, it might still be a little pissed off.
#96 As long as you dig your own hole. Young women have no sense of community these days.
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 11 at 07:20 AM • permalinkJust been laughing myself silly over those old Lord Of The Rings gif animations at Tzorst, come back here and like a fool I click on the thread about Margo Kingston. Up pops some harpy who starts off about.. well, who knows what, I didn’t hang around long enough to find out. I was too busy holding down dinner.
The Internet’s a dangerous place. I think I’ll go play in the traffic instead.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 07 11 at 07:22 AM • permalinkOT, but I just had the QPSU spend two hours on my floor haranguing indivudal workers (well, public servants) about the evil Howard IR laws. Couldn’t help myself, I just had to see how long it would take for the square-black-framed specs and dangly earring wearer to explode:
“But unemployment has dropped 25% since the IR laws were introduced nearly two years ago- are you saying that is a bad thing?” (She screwed up her eyes, but stayed pleasant)
“Most of the cases the ACTU have raised have turned out bogus- look at that those poor motel owners in Goulburn” (Lady’s teeth started to grind)
“Sure the bosses may try to reduce my conditions in an economic downturn - wouldn’t that make it more likely I get to keep my job? I lost my job in the Keating recession you know. And if more people keep their jobs, wouldn’t that make a recession less bad and of shorter duration?” (Lower lip started to twist in an unpleasant fashion)
“I have been on an AWA, and I thought it was great! When is the QPSU going to lobby for them in the Qld government?” (Lady stalked off to confer for some time with fellow union delegate - lots of evil looks in my general direction, before proceeding to engage in pleasant conversation with hapless victim further down the corridor. Lots of local giggles, even from ALP supporting colleagues)
185600 I make great risotto, so there’s your concensus.
As for being AWL, I’m back in the real* workforce 4 days a week. No lounging around in my trakkies blogging.
Plus, we’ve got a new addition to the household, and for now my computer is on timeshare.
You have no idea how good I’ve been at restraining myself from throwing the new addition off the chair and indulging myself of an evening!
*real = standard working hours during the day for basic wage rather than full on high pressure sales that is fun but can’t be done without some backup for the rugrat. (I am enjoying it, though. The new workplace is one of the most un-pc places I’ve ever worked in. )
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 07:25 AM • permalink#104 Ash_ If I see it, should I give it a kick from you?
Whoa, whoa, whoa there sister! If you’re going to actually be in the same room with that thing, you best only kick it after it’s dead. I think I might have accidentally kicked it while it was still in the cage. And unconscious. With its mouth tied shut.
But think long and hard before you kill it. I know that wronwright is still looking for a pet groomer he can force into making that thing look like a schnauzer. He’d be suspicious enough to actually start inventorying the vault himself if he finds his little pet dead. We really don’t want that, now do we? Just bring a sack of cats with you to distract it long enough to get the job done.#100 Texas Bob
makes note to self - Big F*ck Off Guns required on this one.Ash_
With all that has been going on, I heard a rumour you were stoned? This is no time for youthly hijinks young lady, especially in your (ahem) condition!I think stealth might be out of the question, we have to go in with the ‘Big F*ck Off Guns’ and the delightful but deadly ‘Immamarries’
If my Intel is right, we can be in and out in about 2 years. :)
#111 I’ll do my best not to kill it Texas Bob, but I make no promises.
We really don’t want Wron to do an inventory. He’ll find out about all the stuff we stole last time he passed out.
I’ll take cats. Starting with the annoying little furry thing that keeps on darting underfoot and making me hurt myself.
#107 Tools are provided, but bring your own sheet. (White, please, so the blood shows.)
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 11 at 07:32 AM • permalinkOT Skeletal remains found in sunken war planes
HUMAN skeletal remains from the wrecks of two British war planes missing for 60 years have been found in Melbourne’s Port Phillip Bay.
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 11 at 07:36 AM • permalinkThis has nothing to do with anything, but since we’re way OT, I would just like to share my favourite love song with my four thousand closest friends.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 07:36 AM • permalinkO/T, (like most of this thread, I guess).
WTF is Benedict thinking?
Nice one, to help the enemy’s work dividing us all. As a Good Catholic Boy (GCB) I am a little pissed that they elected a Theologian as pope. I wish that it was just some backstreet priest from Naples or Santiago, at least they would have some faith.Dave Wane is not just correct, he’s absolutely correct. It’s been too cold for just a doona cover on the bed. A couple of days ago, being tired of waking up shivering, we put the actual doona on as well.
It takes ages for the house to warm up. I need a cardigan on until about lunchtime but after that an extra shirt will do till about 2 or 3pm. By then the masonry has warmed up and I can go back to standard Darwin sleeveless attire. But no aircon. The air is so dry we don’t even need aircon for the computers.
It’s so cold!
#103 Well, that’s me done for, Texas Bob. I’m catholic but I go to baptist church because my girl loves it.
I guess I’d better start stocking up on fire-retardant clothing.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 07:40 AM • permalink117 - Amazing that they remained undiscovered for so long.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 07 11 at 07:41 AM • permalink#115 Ash_
I’ll wear googles, I promise. :)Well, goodnight and god bless all, but I have to go (too many 5am starts and 11pm finishes this week, yes, I am getting old) :)
Ash_
Please make sure the future legal defense gets hers as well mate. :)
And thank you for dinner, we will discuss plans later, I promise.Texas, I think you’ll find there are a lot more people wanting a firmer hand from the church these days. There has been too much happy-clappy warm fuzzy stuff, which has contributed to the problems we’ve got today.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 07:46 AM • permalink#129,130. I agree, Texas. The difficulty comes when you try to separate Jesus’ statement that Peter is the rock upon which He will build His church from the other statement about “wherever two or more gather in My name, there is My church”.
Apologies for the dodgy paraphrasing. Not got my bible out at the moment - too busy checking out Patrick.
Ultimately, it’s all up to God, and as has been said, the only way to come to Him is through Jesus. (For those of us that believe in Him, that is. Other people believe other things. )
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 07:55 AM • permalink#103
For quite a while the Baptists, and other Evangelicals, have been calling the Roman Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon, and the bishop of Rome the Antichrist.It’s well-know in Protestant circles that the Roman Catholic Church is Satan’s Masterpiece.
Some call it the Synagogue of Satan: two heresies for the price of one!
Posted by pog-ma-thon on 2007 07 11 at 08:14 AM • permalink#136 I know that some evangelicals are set against the rock crushers, but there’s none of that where we go. Otherwise I’d have been tarred and feathered and run out of town, I guess.
As far as I’m concerned, though, I leave the major doctrinal debating to the theologians.
Mind you, I believe that all christians should set aside the inter-denominational bickering for now. We have more serious matters afoot, such as the potential downfall of western civilisation as we know it, along with all* forms of christianity.
*except for the warm and fluffy christianity.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 08:23 AM • permalinkI prefer Dorothea to Dorothy. My Evil Grandmother from Hell was a Dorothy.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 08:25 AM • permalink#139 Ash, there are trustworthy minions? Who’da thunk it.
I’m still unsure of whether I’ve graduated to full Minion Status yet, or whether I’m still a minor minion-on-probation.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 11 at 08:26 AM • permalinkOff topic, meaning not about ass burning chili.
Posted by dean martin on 2007 07 11 at 08:31 AM • permalinkFolks
A comment, a question, and another comment. And maybe an answer.
Dorothea Mackellar wrote her poem when 19 in England. Give the girl a break. I learnt the second verse whilst in Primary School, so did eveyone else. Now they teach the Sorry Song. How sorry.
Where in Cronulla is the Chilli Man? I need to know.
Best Ring of Fire song after Johnny Cash is by Dwight Yoakam.
The Great Global Warming Swindle is on the telly tomorrow night on the ABC from 2030 to 2230.
StevoAs a Catholic, I find the news that Pope Benedict is also Catholic to be less than surprising. He has not, incidentally, said that Baptists are going to hell. To assert the primacy of the Catholic Church as the one indisputable means to salvation is not to absolutely close off the possibility that christians of other churches are also beneficiaries of God’s grace.
It is not my intention to stimulate a sectarian riot here in the comment academy, but an essential element of Catholic faith is that there is one church, catholic and apostolic. You can believe or not believe. It’s perfectly understandable for a Protestant (or a Jew or an atheist) to reject the Catholic Church’s view of its own purpose and mission. However, I believe it is unfair to expect the head of that church to essentially do the same thing, to think, speak and act as if the Catholic faith is just another entré at the smorgasborg of religious beliefs.
Oops, I think you should go to Faith Insulted
I like in a Sunburnt Country, I get sunburnt and live here. QED.
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