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Claim of the week, from the executive director of a completely non-religious school:

Zaman told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS he didn’t know how to work the flagpole.

Well, they’re complicated. In other Presbyterian news, a Canadian company claims to have endured Halal hell from a supplier. Also, if you’ve been wondering about all those people in your neighbourhood waving “Kill Those Who Insult Jesus” posters, this should explain things:

A Saudi blogger has made a short video featuring Bible texts allegedly calling for war and Christian extremists preaching violence, in response to an anti-Koran film by a Dutch lawmaker that has sparked angry street protests across the Muslim world.

Raed al-Saeed says the purpose of his video is to show that it’s easy to take segments of any holy book out of context and make it sound like the most inhumane text ever written.

He’s talking to the wrong people. Raed needs to tell the Taliban and his Saudi mates that they’ve taken their own holy book “out of context”.

Posted by Tim B. on 04/13/2008 at 11:56 AM
  1. Having a disagreement with a Muslim is like fighting with spoiled children… except that the children have weapons and make death threats.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 04 13 at 12:51 PM • permalink

  2. #1

    ... and occasionally follow through on them.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 04 13 at 01:06 PM • permalink

  3. out of context

    Mohammad H. ... (well something), how many times do we have to hear that stupid argument? When some bearded bastard blows himself, and as many civilians as possible, up does he quote the old testament in his goodbye-video before going to the Great Gang-Bang in the sky? Hint: No, he does not. He quotes a few Suras, clearly taken out of context. (Ha!) Does that make him a bad Muslim? Apparently not.

    It’s only when we infidels quote the Koran that everything is taken out of context. I could read out loud the entire Koran and still be told that I took the whole thing out of context. (Or, alternatively, it would be due to my lack of understanding ancient Arabic in it’s true context.)

    Posted by Mikael on 2008 04 13 at 01:37 PM • permalink

  4. My favorite:

    In rambling, sometimes unintelligible responses to Loblaw court filings, Ms. Kermani says the grocer has accused her of being a “terrorist” because of alleged threats to “attack” its Toronto headquarters.

    Ms. Kermani needs to be in “jail” because she’s a dangerous “kook”.

    Posted by Merlin on 2008 04 13 at 02:30 PM • permalink

  5. “Raed al-Saeed says the purpose of his video is to show that it’s easy to take segments of any holy book out of context and make it sound like the most inhumane text ever written.”

    Mr al-Saeed is of course correct: there’s plenty in the Old and New Testaments that can be taken out of context.

    The problem though is that his premise is faulty - and several centuries out of date.*  The analogy does not hold;  you just cannot compare the highly secularized West to Islam.  There is simply no consolidated, religiously-driven “Christian World” to compare with the Muslim umma

    Also, while there certainly are Christian fundmentalists, there is a singular lack of any Christian extremists routinely engaging in violent attacks against Muslims.

    Well, except for those pesky Methodist suicide bombers we hear about all the time. 

    *  But then, why is that not surprising?

    Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2008 04 13 at 03:36 PM • permalink

  6. Herewith my nomination for the incontinence-inducing funny line of the month:

    “Zaman told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS he didn’t know how to work the flagpole.”

    Imagine a bearded wise and holy man squiggling his monobrow trying to figure out what to do with a tall vertical tube, a loop of rope with two snaps, a pulley, and a piece of cloth with two grommets.

    Or, to be charitable, maybe “working the flagpole” is Islamic shorthand for some sort of crime against nature and he wants to avoid being crushed under a wall or dropped headfirst from the the New Hope, Minnesota water tower.

    Whatever; the man is a gem; I hope to hear more of him.

    Posted by unkraut on 2008 04 13 at 03:46 PM • permalink

  7. I am so fed up with arguments insisting other religions’ holy books also contain violence.

    Even if you accept that argument at face value, the undeniable fact is, no Christians are burning anyone to death, no Jews are stoning homosexuals and nobody else is insisting we revert to how things were in the dark ages.

    Every single major religion besides Islam, has looked at a calendar recently.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 04 13 at 05:51 PM • permalink

  8. PS: yes, yes, I know there are Christian and even Jewish terrorists. We all know who they are, because there’s only a handful about whom we keep hearing. Timothy McVeigh, Baruch Goldstein… There are even environmental and anti-abortion terrorists.

    Yes, we get it.

    Of course they are so statistically insignificant, they are irrelevant, however I just thought I’d pre-empt the highly predictable response along the earlier lines, from supporters of Islamist terrorism.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 04 13 at 05:54 PM • permalink

  9. In her favour, Ms. Kermani at least takes her fight to those she believes to be responsible for her slight. She could have done the Muslim thing and flown jets into buildings full of people with SFA to do with her grudge, or attacked a KFC with an angry mob, or boycotted Danish butter. For all her craziness, she’s still less crazy than the average Muslim nutcase.

    As for the idiots with the signs: Jesus said his Kingdom was not of this world, otherwise his followers would rise up and fight. IOW, here, in a nutshell is the difference: Muslims will kill over the smallest perceived slight to their grand poobah, whereas Jesus’ followers DON’T fight over earthly things.

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2008 04 13 at 06:34 PM • permalink

  10. Owen Bennet Jones interview with General Retired Durrani is a former head of Pakistan’s secret service, the Inter Services Intelligence or ISI, was a fascinating insight into the Pakistani attitudes to Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Durrani sees them as valid sorts of men’s movements which, at least in one case, have gone worldwide.
    He says he has nothing to fear from them but the west has been unduly intrusive and upset them.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 04 13 at 06:45 PM • permalink

  11. #3 Very well said, Mikeal.

    I think the ‘taking out of context’ is a nuance thing.

    It’s all finely nuanced.

    Though I call it dissembling, the same words are used, but the meaning and the application of the word/s is/are quite different.

    Posted by kae on 2008 04 13 at 07:00 PM • permalink

  12. Raed: When can I take a Bible into Saudi Arabia.?

    Posted by LaVallette on 2008 04 13 at 07:32 PM • permalink

  13. Sorry, Mikael.

    preview is my fiend.

    Posted by kae on 2008 04 13 at 07:52 PM • permalink

  14. Thing is, Tim, the islamo-fascists have not taken the koran out of context. They are very much ON MESSAGE.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 04 13 at 08:37 PM • permalink

  15. Zaman told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS he didn’t know how to work the flagpole.

    There’s gotta be a course for that; you can’t expect an academic to perform such a utilitarian act from scratch?

    Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 13 at 08:39 PM • permalink

  16. Most muslims are not terrorists.

    Most terrorists are muslims.

    QED.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 04 13 at 09:02 PM • permalink

  17. #16 Why are Most terrorists are muslims?
    Is it the halal diet?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 13 at 09:40 PM • permalink

  18. #18

    Why are Most terrorists muslims?
    Is it the halal diet?

    John Laws explained it.

    It’s the sand.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 04 13 at 10:02 PM • permalink

  19. #18
    Yep.
    Sounds about right to me.
    And the sand.

    Posted by kae on 2008 04 13 at 10:14 PM • permalink

  20. So he’s got Bible texts preaching violence, and Preachers preaching violence.

    Wilders had a third ingredient: Acolytes DOING (murderous) violence.

    Rather harder to pull that one into an anti-Christian video I think ...

    Posted by Rob Blair on 2008 04 14 at 02:24 AM • permalink

  21. You left out the second part:

    Those who can’t teach, teach gym.

    Posted by mojo on 2008 04 14 at 10:43 AM • permalink

  22. the New Hope, Minnesota water tower.

      The southern one (across Medicine Lake Rd. from the McDonalds), or the northern one (which is within sight of my present location)?

    Posted by Teemo on 2008 04 14 at 11:11 PM • permalink

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