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THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE

Muslim honour killings are so commonplace in the UK that a specialist force has been assembled to combat them:

A team of 20 prosecutors are to be based in London, the West Midlands, West Yorkshire and Lancashire. Each one will be trained by a number of different agencies including the police, the government’s forced marriage unit and the independent victims group, the Southall Black Sisters ...

Nazir Afzal, the CPS lead on honour-based violence, said that such crimes are often elaborate, pre-planned and can involve many suspects.

One in nine honour killings in the UK is carried out by hit men, he said. It is also common for the youngest member of the family to carry out the murder, with the others playing a lesser role.

Consider that statistic. It doesn’t refer to a total of nine honour killings, which would be horrific enough in a first-world nation; it refers only to a particular proportion. Total figures are massively worse:

Home Office statistics suggest that there are 12 such murders each year. However, according to research, the true figure is much higher. At a conference in Southampton last week, police chiefs revealed that they are re-examining 2,000 deaths and murders between 1996 and 2006 to establish whether they involve honour killings. So far, 19 have now been found to be honour killings. A further 20 involved some element of “honour violence”.

Still, mustn’t denounce them.

(Via Alan R.M. Jones)

UPDATE. Now the British provoke Muslim rage by awarding Salman Rushdie a knighthood:

Iran Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said the decision to praise the “apostate” showed Islamophobia among British officials ...

Mr Hosseini told a press conference: “Giving a medal to someone who is among the most detested figures in the Islamic community is ... a blatant example of the anti-Islamism of senior British officials.

“The measure that has taken place for paying tribute to this apostate and detested figure will definitely put British statesmen and officials at odds with Islamic societies, the emotions and sentiments of which have again been provoked.”

They think they’re in charge. Hey, maybe soon they will be.

UPDATE. Laban at UK Commentators: “I read this Iowahawk piece and thought it was well over the top - a crude caricature of white liberal grovelling to Islam. Then I read the original, by Time Out Editor-at-large Michael Hodges. Blimey.”

Posted by Tim B. on 06/17/2007 at 11:08 AM
  1. Those statistics are absolutely horrific.

    I may disagree with the choices a member of my family makes, but I would never kill one of them.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2007 06 17 at 11:20 AM • permalink

  2. It’ll be very interesting to see what L’il Kim makes of this.  Although, judging by the beating she took over female mutilation, she’d be smart to keep quiet (given that she can’t find it within herself to “denounce” these practices).

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 06 17 at 11:24 AM • permalink

  3. “So, Kim, I understand that the mob of Muslimites observing the latest “Honor” killing heard her scream wildly during the procedure, cursing Islam as she expired. What do you say to this?”
    “Her view of Islam is too much coloured by her own experience.”

    Posted by stats on 2007 06 17 at 11:36 AM • permalink

  4. when the grauniad is changing its tune on “cultural” issues, even the village idiot knows multiculti madness has gone too far.  yet the aussie left is outraged by john howard’s wish to see migrants embrace australian values

    Posted by KK on 2007 06 17 at 11:53 AM • permalink

  5. It is so easy to cherry pick a few bad things in other cultures and ‘play them up’.  The delicious cuisines and great views in many countries of origin are too easily overlooked, I think.

    Look in our backyard? Oh, no. Cruelty to our ‘own’ daughters is rife and widely ignored.  How easy to demonise the ‘other’ when the practice of banning handphone use is causing so much suffering.

    Posted by Inurbanus on 2007 06 17 at 12:11 PM • permalink

  6. THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE

    Who?  The Muslims?  The British?  All of ‘em?

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 06 17 at 12:14 PM • permalink

  7. THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE

    You say insane….I say muslims.

    Same thing.

    Posted by rinardman on 2007 06 17 at 12:25 PM • permalink

  8. Mr Hosseini told a press conference: “Giving a medal to someone who is among the most detested figures in the Islamic community is ... a blatant example of the anti-Islamism….

    Isn’t that what Hamass is saying about Arafat’s Peace Prize, too?

    Posted by andycanuck on 2007 06 17 at 01:31 PM • permalink

  9. I think it’s time to stop calling them “honour” killings—or even worse, the Guardian’s “honour-based killings”.  Even with the scare quotes, there’s no way the word “honour” should appear anywhere near a description of this practice.

    These men are not killing their female relatives to preserve their honour, but out of a psychotic need for possession and control.

    Posted by Chris L. on 2007 06 17 at 02:15 PM • permalink

  10. At least our “honor” killings usually don’t involve innocent and helpless women.

    Posted by paco on 2007 06 17 at 04:03 PM • permalink

  11. Can we expect to see Sir Mamdouh Habib in the next Honours list? And at the very least, David Hicks can expect an Order of Australia next year from the new Labor government.

    Posted by Big Arnie on 2007 06 17 at 04:26 PM • permalink

  12. Thanks, paco. /sarc Now I feel like having onion rings.

    Posted by andycanuck on 2007 06 17 at 04:27 PM • permalink

  13. Iran Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said the decision to praise the “apostate” showed Islamophobia among British officials ...

    Boo-hoo. I would have topped off the knighting ceremony by burning the Qu’ran to make incense.

    Posted by Quentin George on 2007 06 17 at 05:10 PM • permalink

  14. Why should Western societies have to adjust their systems of law and order to accommodate such appalling, imported practices as honour killings and FGM? All members of a family found to have carried out or supported the killing of one of its members to save the family’s “honour” (of which it actually has none) should be stripped of their citizenship and immediately deported.

    According to The Guardian article, “One in nine honour killings in the UK is carried out by hit men, he said. It is also common for the youngest member of the family to carry out the murder, with the others playing a lesser role”.

    How outrageous and disgusting is that?  Is the youngest considered the most malleable?

    #9, Chris L. has it right: “These men are not killing their female relatives to preserve their honour, but out of a psychotic need for possession and control”.

    Posted by ann j on 2007 06 17 at 06:14 PM • permalink

  15. Arise Sir Salman!  Continued defiance of theocratic bully-boys shows a rare mettle.

    Very pleasantly surprised at the UK government having the bottle to do such a bold thing.
    P’raps things are lookin’ up?!

    Posted by Olrence on 2007 06 17 at 06:37 PM • permalink

  16. #14,

    According to The Guardian article, “One in nine honour killings in the UK is carried out by hit men, he said. It is also common for the youngest member of the family to carry out the murder, with the others playing a lesser role”.

    How outrageous and disgusting is that?  Is the youngest considered the most malleable?

    I think the murder is carried out by the youngest male because the family reasons, if caught, he will get a lighter sentence because of his age and claiming he was cooerced by his elders.

    Posted by Kami on 2007 06 17 at 07:22 PM • permalink

  17. Ah, multiculturalism.  I think I’ll have a kebab for lunch today.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2007 06 17 at 07:25 PM • permalink

  18. This Guardian article refers to honour killing hotspots.  I suppose that’s a description we can soon see on real estate ads?

    Posted by anthony_r on 2007 06 17 at 07:28 PM • permalink

  19. “The measure that has taken place for paying tribute to this apostate and detested figure will definitely put British statesmen and officials at odds with Islamic societies, the emotions and sentiments of which have again been provoked.”

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!  Muslims MAD!!  Muslims SMASH!!!!

    Posted by bondo on 2007 06 17 at 07:45 PM • permalink

  20. I don’t know, next you’ll see them infiltrate Australian TV program “Home and Away” and they’ll have an Honour Killing on the program, and it will imply it’s ok.


    Brad Armstrong could murder cat meat Cassie Turner who fell in love with hunk Jack Holden.

    It’s the new Australian economic way of life in our democratic free society.

    Posted by 1.618 on 2007 06 17 at 08:15 PM • permalink

  21. “The measure that has taken place for paying tribute to this apostate and detested figure will definitely put British statesmen and officials at odds with Islamic societies, the emotions and sentiments of which have again been provoked.”

    And not a moment too soon.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 06 17 at 08:17 PM • permalink

  22. Sir Rushdie is my hero

    Posted by 1.618 on 2007 06 17 at 08:24 PM • permalink

  23. Words Muslimists have ruined:
    honor
    holy
    religion
    peace
    street

    Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2007 06 17 at 08:44 PM • permalink

  24. THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE INHUMAN

    Hmm. Still not strong enough.

    #20 1.6

    Cassie? She’s the one that looks like a carrot, isn’t she? You know, the orange actress.

    Posted by kae on 2007 06 17 at 08:55 PM • permalink

  25. #20

    “Flaimin Heck !!!”

    Posted by Pickles on 2007 06 17 at 09:52 PM • permalink

  26. #24 kae: How about RABID? As in… mad, violent, fanatical. (Ref: The Australian Oxford Pocket Dictionary).

    Seems to fit nicely, although they’re getting beyond even that. Perhaps we should work on composing a new word. Then again, by the time we do they’ll have moved past that too.

    Oh, and yes. Cassie is carrot-girl.

    Posted by SandiM on 2007 06 17 at 09:56 PM • permalink

  27. Rabid.
    Yes, works for me.

    Posted by kae on 2007 06 17 at 10:14 PM • permalink

  28. Religion of
    Arabs
    Based
    In
    Death.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 06 17 at 10:25 PM • permalink

  29. #28,

    What RebeccahH said.

    Posted by Pogria on 2007 06 18 at 12:42 AM • permalink

  30. 26? LOL Tandoori…

    Posted by 1.618 on 2007 06 18 at 02:37 AM • permalink

  31. But surely there are those people “on the ground” that are working, as we speak, to reason with these people to convince them that this is not a good idea!  Maybe we can ask Mz Kim!  I’m told that she keeps up with this sort of thing.  Anyway, it isn’t a good idea to condemn something like this out of context.  These dead girls were biased, you know, by their experience.

    Posted by saltydog on 2007 06 18 at 05:00 AM • permalink

  32. Salman Rushdie should be made the King of Islam. He is the only Muslim with enough chutzpah to expose this morally impotent and irrational “religion”.

    Posted by Howzat on 2007 06 18 at 05:00 AM • permalink

  33. anyone who hasn’t read that Time Out piece should have a look. Craven, snivelling, grovelling, gutless….a masterpiece in lickspittle cultural surrender!

    Posted by JonathanH on 2007 06 18 at 06:05 AM • permalink

  34. bonjour triteness: You forgot “martyr”.

    Posted by Nicholas on 2007 06 18 at 02:01 PM • permalink

  35. CEO of Telstra should be made King Of Islam !

    Posted by 1.618 on 2007 06 18 at 06:40 PM • permalink

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