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THE INQUIRING PROTAGONIST

Ned Curthoys, a postdoctoral research fellow at the Centre for Cross-Cultural Research at the Australian National University, reviews Antony Loewenstein’s My Israel Question:

Loewenstein’s book is structured as a bildungsroman, a transformative narrative of an inquiring protagonist’s independent journeys through multiple social strata and heterodox opinions, enabling rebellious, ironic and reflexive self-expression that usually entails an exile from the parochialism of one’s community of birth.

Well, obviously. Let’s work through some extracts from Loewenstein’s romandungbuilding:

Margo Kingston took me under her wing and showed me the possibilities of courageous and campaigning journalism. If only more journalists shared her belief.

One of her beliefs being: “The fundamentalist Zionist lobby controls politics and the media in the US and Australia.”

My parents, Violet and Jeffrey, have given more than any only child could ever hope for. Their strength, in the face of irrational personal setbacks, has shown me that there is a price to pay for speaking uncomfortable truths.

Excuse me; irrational personal setbacks? What, these setbacks weren’t logical? Is that what makes them distinct from regular setbacks, which follow clear and rational patterns? And how, please, does “strength” demonstrate any price paid for “speaking uncomfortable truths”?

In July 2003 the SMH published my first article. I was a trainee journalist for Fairfax Online, writing for the newspaper’s website ...

And he was still a trainee when was fired a year or so later.

Travelling in Eastern Europe in my mid-twenties, I was profoundly moved by my heritage, not least when I visited Auschwitz with a close friend of mine ... Something about that day changed me. Seeing the results of blind hatred and unchallenged devotion slowly led me to be more questioning on a range of matters, including my heritage and the state of Israel.

Antony visits Auschwitz and emerges questioning ... Jews.

I was at a family wedding in Melbourne in early November, when a distant cousin approached me in the men’s toilets. “Your views and works are a disgrace and disgusting”, he spat ... I responded that cornering me in the men’s toilets was a sign of real bravery ...

As everybody knows, real bravery is only ever shown by confronting relatives in the women’s toilets.

In early 2005, I spent more than a month in the Middle East and the USA, researching this book. It was the first time I had visited Israel and Palestine ... During the cab ride into Tel Aviv, I asked the driver whether he thought the situation would continue to improve. “The death of Arafat, the super terrorist, was a good thing”, he told me. “I hope things will improve. We’ve given them [Palestinians] a lot already.” The driver clearly felt that Israel had made enough concessions towards the Palestinians and received little in return. Such misguided views of Israel’s supposed generosity appeared constantly throughout my trip.

At this point Antony, on his first visit, had been in Israel for only a few hours—yet he already knows more about the place than people who live there.

The ‘security’ fence snaked around the horizon. The high, imposing concrete wall looked impenetrable.

Say what you like about Anty, but he sure can describe a concrete wall.

[Yasser Arafat’s] grave stood inside the Muqataa ... I was the only visitor, but I noticed floral wreaths from Norway, France, and other European countries. The place was strangely moving ...

Just like Auschwitz.

The Western Wall was impressive, if disturbing. Religious men offered to place tefillin, leather objects used in prayer, on my arms and head. I declined; they persisted; I refused again, and they became irritable.

You know the old saying: “When in Rome, spit at the Romans.” It isn’t difficult to imagine Antony being far more yielding were he offered a Koran.

With a handful of Palestinian passengers I took an overpriced minivan ride across the West Bank.

How does he know it’s overpriced?

Jenin’s town centre was eerily deserted ... A number of children started to follow me and to throw large stones in my direction. I shouted at them to stop but to no avail.

It’s Loewenstein’s Robert Fisk moment! (Note also Antony’s compulsion to over-write, identified by Paul Fussell as a feature of the insecure middle-class: stones weren’t simply thrown at him, they were thrown “in [his] direction”.)

I picked up my pace but the kids wouldn’t let me out of their sight ... That I was wearing green trousers resembling military fatigues probably didn’t help me!

“Didn’t help.” Cut the “me”. Who edited this debacle? Those stone-chucking Jenin brats, possibly. Curse their poor aim.

According to the Bible, Hebron is one of the most spiritual places in historical Palestine ...

I favour the King James version myself. Antony’s Bible sounds as though it was written by a travel agent.

My hosts were Sam and Mara Wisel, now in their seventies, who had migrated from Melbourne to Israel in the late 1950s ... They have [a] son who is a senior commander in the IDF and often works covertly in the West Bank.

Not any more he doesn’t. In the book, Loewenstein helpfully reveals the senior commander’s full name.

I felt ashamed during much of my time in Israel, and this became ever more acute while travelling around the West Bank. I was embarrassed to be a Jew ...

Those who picked Loewenstein as a self-hating Jew may consider themselves vindicated. We’re only up to page 66, by the way; still 250 pages to go before we hit the epilogue.

(Via frequent Ant-debunker J.F. Beck)

Posted by Tim B. on 10/14/2006 at 01:44 PM
  1. How in the fuck anyone can bear to read this twit’s writing is beyond me.

    Posted by ushie on 2006 10 14 at 02:38 PM • permalink

  2. #1: Just think of him as yeast: he makes Tim’s great loaves of delicious satirical bread possible.

    Posted by paco on 2006 10 14 at 02:48 PM • permalink

  3. Instead of Palestinian malcontents, these are the kind of middle easterners Antoine ought to be supporting.

    Via The Jawa Report.

    Posted by paco on 2006 10 14 at 03:04 PM • permalink

  4. romandungbuilding

    Isn’t that what they called an outhouse back in Roman times?

    How does he know it’s overpriced?

    He’s Jewish.  *rimshot*

    Posted by rinardman on 2006 10 14 at 03:20 PM • permalink

  5. Loewenstein’s book is structured as a bildungsroman, a transformative narrative of an inquiring protagonist’s independent journeys through multiple social strata and heterodox opinions, enabling rebellious, ironic and reflexive self-expression that usually entails an exile from the parochialism of one’s community of birth.

    In other words, fiction.

    I think Violet and Jeffrey might have done a better job of raising young Anthony, i.e., not spoiling him rotten and making him think he was the greatest thing ever to hit the earth.  I also think when he went to Auschwitz, he discovered that there are people in the world who don’t think so highly of him based on nothing more than his Jewishness.  It was a shock to his system, he never got over it, and he’s decided he doesn’t like being Jewish. 

    Guess what, Anthony?  I don’t like you either, based on the fact that you had a choice (Jew or not Jew) and you chose the coward’s way.  I could blame Violet and Jeffrey, but no.  They’re probably taking enough heat from the family, and ultimately, you’re the one who failed.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 10 14 at 03:30 PM • permalink

  6. journeys through multiple social strata

    Whoa!  Isn’t that Canadian code for men of no appearance?

    Posted by rhhardin on 2006 10 14 at 03:41 PM • permalink

  7. OK, this puzzles me:

    I was at a family wedding in Melbourne in early November, when a distant cousin approached me in the men’s toilets. “Your views and works are a disgrace and disgusting”, he spat ... I responded that cornering me in the men’s toilets was a sign of real bravery ...

    Presumably, this was meant as sarcasm on Lowenstein’s part—the implication being that cornering him this was was cowardly?  But… in what way?  Sounds like another man came up to him and confronted him, face-to-face and one-to-one, where he knew no one would come to interfere.  He told Lowenstein his opinion directly, without embarrassing him in front of the rest of the family, or risking that others would gang up on poor little Antony. 

    Sounds like a perfectly honorable way to confront someone.  The venue isn’t pretty, but then again neither is Jenin, and Antony can rest assured that had he been confronted by Arabs, they wouldn’t have made the odds so fair.

    Posted by E. Nough on 2006 10 14 at 03:50 PM • permalink

  8. 2. paco

    #1: Just think of him as yeast
    I’m struggling not to make a joke here.

    Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2006 10 14 at 03:58 PM • permalink

  9. Don’t fight it. One should never miss an opportunity to make a joke at Dreamboat’s expense.

    Posted by CB on 2006 10 14 at 04:25 PM • permalink

  10. "Loewenstein’s book is structured as a bildungsroman, a transformative narrative of an inquiring protagonist’s independent journeys through multiple social strata and heterodox opinions, enabling rebellious, ironic and reflexive self-expression that usually entails an exile from the parochialism of one’s community of birth “

    and this Curthoys guy is a wanker as evidenced by the need for a basically intelligent well read person to have to pull out a dictionary just to get thru the paragraph.
    bil·dungs·ro·man or Bil·dungs·ro·man (bĭl’dʊngz-rō-män’, -dʊngks-)
    n.
    A novel whose principal subject is the moral, psychological, and intellectual development of a usually youthful main character.

    Guess I have to count on my intellectual betters to provide my “vocabulary word of the day.”

    Posted by debi L. on 2006 10 14 at 04:32 PM • permalink

  11. #8: I was wondering how long it would be before someone thought of that conotation!

    Posted by paco on 2006 10 14 at 05:14 PM • permalink

  12. I was at a family wedding in Melbourne in early November, when a distant cousin approached me in the men’s toilets. “Your views and works are a disgrace and disgusting”, he spat ... I responded that cornering me in the men’s toilets was a sign of real bravery ...

    Non sequitur.

    What a poor excuse for a human being.  Does this idiot realize that neither his denials, nor his book, will save him should the enemy get their hands on him--when it isn’t children throwing rocks, but the grown-ups wielding real weapons and a mature hatred?  If he didn’t come to that understanding at Auschwitz, it won’t come to him until the knife is at his throat, if at all.

    Posted by saltydog on 2006 10 14 at 05:15 PM • permalink

  13. ”...who had migrated to Melbourne to Israel...”.

    Is this a literal quote?
    Makes no sense.

    I suppose they moved from Melbourne to Israel.

    Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2006 10 14 at 05:21 PM • permalink

  14. One suspects the poor lad is psychologically crippled by guilt at his parents’ lavishing benefits upon him despite their own irrational personal setbacks. To be fair to the patient, it is possible one or the other of his parents, perhaps even both, must share the blame for this. It is not uncommon for parents to constantly remind children of the largesse they have enjoyed in contrast to the parent’s more straitened circumstances. This may be only part of the reason he subconsciously hates his parents (and by extention himself and all Jews).

    Additionally, having everything provided for him may result simply in being ‘spoiled’. However, it can also result in much more complex damage, taking away a fundamental necessity for the child’s growth towards psychological maturity - being allowed to face one’s own challenges and forge one’s own place in the world.

    Effectively, Ant has been emasculated by his parent(s) and subconsciously hates them for it.

    Well, I see our time’s up for this week. Have a think about some of the things we’ve discussed. You can pay Nurse Nora on the way out.

    -- Dr Nick

    Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 10 14 at 05:28 PM • permalink

  15. I was embarrassed to be a Jew ...

    Trust me Antny, the rest of the Jews are more embarrassed than you…

    asshat.

    Posted by Holden McGroyn on 2006 10 14 at 05:43 PM • permalink

  16. The most moving part of the book was Antony witnessing the tragedy of a hapless Yasser Arafat - victim of the Great Jewish Beast Epidemic - dying in his father Jacques Chirac’s arms. At this point Antony deeply questioned his Jewishness and segued effortlessly from the Holy Land of Paris to the fjords of Norway. “I have felt there before” said Anthony the mind traveller “and I know that the entity to which I connect to be the true me."

    -- from My Ant Question

    Posted by Henry boy on 2006 10 14 at 05:53 PM • permalink

  17. I have to admit to an error on my part.

    I have frequently compared Loewenstein to Flavius Josephus, the Jewish traitor who wrote The Jewish War for the conquering Romans. 

    There is a big difference of course.  Flavius Josephus was a best-seller.

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 14 at 05:54 PM • permalink

  18. Paco, I’m thinking Ant provides the shit to grow Tim’s mushrooms of mirth.

    Posted by ushie on 2006 10 14 at 05:57 PM • permalink

  19. #18: Hmmm. M’yes, I think that’s a much better metaphor.

    Posted by paco on 2006 10 14 at 06:05 PM • permalink

  20. With a handful of Palestinian passengers I took an overpriced minivan ride across the West Bank.

    How does he know it’s overpriced?

    It doesn’t matter what the fare is, if your fellow passengers are Palestinian, it’s overpriced.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2006 10 14 at 06:17 PM • permalink

  21. Richard
    don’t be to harsh on Flavius, he was under huge pressures from the cruel Roman authorities- somethimg Ant is NOT, unless you call the the neo maxist progressive authorities who pay him handsomely to denigrate israel, Cruel.
    ‘was embarrassed to be a Jew ... ‘
    So were the kapos who survived Auschwitz, they had to do that to justify their actions.
    The jewish fellow in the toilet should have shoved his head down the toilet bowl.
    Ant has the gall to realise his “jewishness’ in Auschwitz! He probably would have been collecting material for a book on Holocaust denial, if the subject was not taboo even amongst his Israel hating colleagues.
    thank God, none of those wreaths were from the Australian Gov!
    Ant insults the Pious Jews at the wailing wall by refusing the tiffilin. Imagine if he had refused to take off his shoes in a Gaza Mosque.
    Tim, thanks for exposing this amoral scoundrel who makes even tanya reinhardt seem like a balanced fair individual.

    Posted by davo on 2006 10 14 at 06:20 PM • permalink

  22. who had migrated to Melbourne to Israel in the late 1950s

    Gotta love that editing…

    Posted by anthony_r on 2006 10 14 at 06:24 PM • permalink

  23. I was embarrassed to be a Jew ...

    I’m sure there’s plenty of Jews who are also embarrased he is a Jew.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2006 10 14 at 06:26 PM • permalink

  24. OT i know however
    the little man denigrates the great man in todays Australian
    Hatchet attack On Winston
    Phat phill attacks Winston for trying to secure his retiremnt pension by tax avoidance after saving Britain from Nazism.
    Et tu Brute?

    Posted by davo on 2006 10 14 at 06:31 PM • permalink

  25. Postgraduate Curthoys doesn’t quite know the language yet, but he’s trying.  Where is the word ’transgressive’?
    I never graduated to ‘reflexive self-expression’
    What have I missed?

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 14 at 06:47 PM • permalink

  26. Moles dictionary describes it thus: ‘reflexive self-expression’

    The ability of a person, much like a cockroach to use its arse instead of its head to think, without apparent loss of function.
    Also see: shit for brains, fuckwit, moron, cretin, knucklehumper, loon, moonbat, mark Latham

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 14 at 07:07 PM • permalink

  27. 13 & 22: My transcribing mistake, now fixed.

    Posted by Tim B. on 2006 10 14 at 07:26 PM • permalink

  28. #1
    Well that explains the poor editing Tim complained about.  The supposed editors couldn’t bear to actually read the thing.

    He blew the cover of an IDF intel officer?  Sounds like Ant is bucking for a job with the New York Times.  Now if he could only prove himself as imaginative a writer as Jayson Blair he’d meet the exacting criteria the Times demands from a reporter and be a shoo in for a job.

    Ant was moved by Auschwitz was he?  The result seems to be that he now sympathizes with and takes the part of those who wish to do another Auschwitz on the Jewish People.  The Ant is on the side of those slavering for Jewish blood.  Sounds like a very severe case of Stockholm Syndrome to me.  I propose we change his nickname from “Ant” or “Dreamboat” to “Cockroach.”

    The logical thing for Ant to do is convert to Islam.  I don’t suppose he’d really have to practice it any more than the gangbangers in the banlieues of Paris do.  He could probably get a lucrative gig as a paid propagandist in Oz for the Wahhabist Entity or the jihadis they funnel money to.  Maybe Al Jazeera will take him on as an Ozzie stringer.  Just take care not to be seen eating during the day during Ramadan (eat where nobody can see you) and you’re all set.

    Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 10 14 at 07:31 PM • permalink

  29. Excuse me but how can a visit to Auschwitz make one question ones own Jewishness and the state of Israel?

    He should be reported to Pamela

    My father visited a concentration camp, I think Belsen, while the bodies were still fresh (detailed by HQ). All he ever said about it was grown men vomitted on the spot

    How old is this guy, I know little of him and have no desire to know much more. He may only be a juvenile.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 14 at 07:46 PM • permalink

  30. #6 rhhardin, you are right. Does this mean he is invisible?

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 14 at 07:49 PM • permalink

  31. This guy sounds like an Australian cross between Taliban Jack bin Layton and Robert Fisjk. Eeeeyuoohh.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 14 at 07:51 PM • permalink

  32. Italics control!! Where is Italics control??

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 14 at 07:55 PM • permalink

  33. #17 ... and also wrote factual accoutns of real events.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 14 at 08:00 PM • permalink

  34. #25 Barnie,

    Small minds are decorated with large words ...
    they paper over the cracks and voids.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 14 at 08:06 PM • permalink

  35. Antony Loewenstein resumes the questioning spirit and liminal sense of belonging typical of the secular non-Jewish Jew.

    Ahuh. A non-Jewish Jew. That expains everything.

    for many perspectives, including those Palestinian and Israeli pleas for understanding and equality that are erased by pro-Zionist discourses which attempt to distort and occlude Israel’s intensifying oppression of the Palestinian people.

    How many perspectives is “many”?

    After his Jewish schooling in Melbourne

    Jewish schooling?

    If the majority of Australian Jewry have become startlingly humourless about obeisance to Israel, a fundamentalism that is usually projected onto Muslims, then Loewenstein is the diaspora Jew cum obstinate schlemiel (think Larry David in Curb Your Enthusiasm)

    That’s right. It is the Jews who are the fundamentalists. The Islamists merely have it projected on to them. Anyone asked David how he would like being cast in this role?

    He quotes Albert Einstein who in 1938 predicted the “inner damage that Judaism will sustain” from a “narrow nationalism within our own ranks”.

    Did he quote Einstein in 1950? After Israel had been established and he had been offered the presidency of the state?

    Now a journalist, Loewenstein decides to journey into Israel and the occupied territories.

    A journalist? Give me a break.

    He visits the now notorious Palestinian centre of Jenin in the West Bank, site of a vicious Israeli war crime in 2002.

    A notorious lie that even the most vicious Israel and Jew-hating propagandists are careful about who they tell it to.

    of “ambulances being fired upon and destroyed by the IDF”,

    Yep. Sooner or later those fucking “ambulances”. Next the poisoned wells. Later in the piece, those precision targetted ambulances again.

    exemplifies the apartheid-like policies of the Israeli state, It becomes a matter of pure chance if a Palestinian student is able to attend university on a given day. 

    Especially if she happens to be a woman. And not an Israeli citizen.

    In the best traditions of the new journalism, Loewenstein’s strategy is to allow a mosaic of brave and independent voices to be heard

    Just like he bravely does on his blog.

    “When you drive a (settler only) road in the West Bank which is a road for only Jews, what is it if not apartheid?

    How about another transparent and disgusting lie?

    the profoundly anti-democratic spirit of contemporary Zionist lobbies such as the Australia Israel Jewish Affairs Committee (AIJAC) and the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies, which attempted to prevent the moderate Palestinian voice of Hanan Ashrawi from being heard in this country.

    Another disgusting lie.

    these lobbies have been remarkably successful in demoralising and ensuring the self-censorship of organisations such as the ABC and SBS

    This guy is actually serious. Can you imagine what they would be like without the “censorship”.

    Genocide, Stone argues, is an ever present possibility in the putatively modern world.
    (Jenin, the checkpoints, the satisfaction the IDF obtains in shooting children, the starvation of Gaza, the precision bombing of ambulances),
    to a frustratingly unobtainable and increasingly fanatical racist ideal.

    This is Israel this miserable arsehole is talking about.

    The message is clear, only international pressure, including coordinated divestment campaigns and an organised academic and economic boycott of Israel, can prevent an increasingly frenzied Zionist politicide, physical, social, economic, and psychological, of the Palestinians.

    You bet the message is clear. Loud and clear. Curthoys is a lying racist bigot of the worst type. Precisely what you would expect of a post-doctoral research fellow at ANU.

    Posted by geoff on 2006 10 14 at 08:10 PM • permalink

  36. Tim, I’m surprised you didn’t quote the conclusion of Curthoys’ review of Loewenstein’s book:

    The message is clear, only international pressure, including coordinated divestment campaigns and an organised academic and economic boycott of Israel, can prevent an increasingly frenzied Zionist politicide, physical, social, economic, and psychological, of the Palestinians.

    Seems to get to the point of both book and review.

    Posted by Geoffrey MG on 2006 10 14 at 08:12 PM • permalink

  37. #28: and I propose the term “Gamla stan Syndrome”. A kind of pre-Stockholm Syndrome; the love-your-captor syndrome you get without being captured.

    And Ant converting to Islam would provide the final, sweet, incontrovertible proof of Blair’s Law.

    Posted by Henry boy on 2006 10 14 at 08:36 PM • permalink

  38. #16, I think you’re Upping the Ant here…

    Posted by carpefraise on 2006 10 14 at 08:57 PM • permalink

  39. One can learn everything they need to know about Loewenstein’s journalist credentials by visiting his site.

    It’s bad enough that his magnum opus is riddled with indisputable errrors (not that Loewenstein ever acknowledged them) but his abillity to form an opinion, is so blinkered its absolutely pointless.

    In post after post, he links to something Israeli or Jewish, pastes large excerpts of it, and then adds a single line to the effect: “Hah! See? Zionists are evil”.

    In nearly every single post, he doesn’t provide a worthwhile argument, or indeed any argument, but can be assured the two or three regular commenters to his blog will pat him on the back and go “gosh Ant, you’re right! Jews are evil!”.

    Latest example.

    It’s often amusing when Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit) or Tim link to something funny and the only other content is effectively “heh”. It’s a whole different manner however when one is trying to demonstrate a political thesis.

    Loewestein fails, as his blogging is the political equivalent of a sneering “heh”. He is motivated as a handful (check the stats, it is merely a handful) of brainwashed morons agree 100% with him, but he’d have a harder time with a more critical audience.

    I mean, I disagree with most things Robert Fisk writes, and his surname became a euphemism for errors, however at least the guy can actually assemble an opinion.

    Loewenstein’s a hack. Of course his ("best selling") book, is now in its “third reprint” (now with fewer geographical errors) so what would I know…

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 10 14 at 09:09 PM • permalink

  40. #15 Holden:  “I was embarrassed to be a Jew ...

    Trust me Antny, the rest of the Jews are more embarrassed than you.”

    Hell, I’m not even a Jew, and I’m embarrassed this idiot is a Jew.

    Though maybe “embarrassed” is the wrong word.  Unless it’s spelled d-i-s-g-u-s-t-e-d.

    Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2006 10 14 at 09:12 PM • permalink

  41. exemplifies the apartheid-like policies of the Israeli state

    If Israel practices apartheid against Palestinians, how is it, that a Palestinian can walk onto the same bus as Jews, or into the same restaurant as Jews, and blow himself up, killing all of them?

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 10 14 at 09:12 PM • permalink

  42. #7 E. Nough

    Sounds like another man came up to him and confronted him, face-to-face and one-to-one, where he knew no one would come to interfere.... ....without embarrassing him in front of the rest of the family,...

    My thought, exactly.

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 14 at 09:13 PM • permalink

  43. If you go to http://antonyloewenstein.com/ the Title on the Browser Bar says “Welcome at Antony Loewenstein” [sic]. Who does this guy’s editing?

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 10 14 at 09:20 PM • permalink

  44. #43

    Nobody?

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 14 at 09:26 PM • permalink

  45. Bahahaha....

    Just below the banner offering advertising space on his blog, is a Google Ad for purchasing real estate in Zichron Yaakov, one of the first Jewish settlements in Israel.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 10 14 at 09:27 PM • permalink

  46. According to the Bible, Hebron is one of the most spiritual places in historical Palestine.

    If your going to refer to the Bible, you might notice that it places Hebron in Israel.

    Posted by bobpence on 2006 10 14 at 10:08 PM • permalink

  47. The message is clear, only international pressure, including coordinated divestment campaigns and an organised academic and economic boycott of Israel, can prevent an increasingly frenzied Zionist politicide, physical, social, economic, and psychological, of the Palestinians.

    Hmm. Exactly the kind of language that is now being correctly applied to North Korea.
    The huge difference is that hundreds of 1000s of Arab citizens live happily within Israel, in a progressive modern state, while NO-ONE lives happily in North Korea.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 14 at 10:58 PM • permalink

  48. #47, Barrie:

    Bingo!

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 10 14 at 11:23 PM • permalink

  49. O/T from LGF, South park have run an episode taking the piss out of the 9/11 “truthers”.
    And the poor little babies dont like it. Trey and Matt are gods.

    http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20061013103151876

    A quote.
    “Just like the refusal to face aspects of our collective reality gets tiring.”

    The hive mind is tired, that might be whats lurking in Leunigs back yard.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 14 at 11:36 PM • permalink

  50. #26 mole, thank you for the tomato sandwich bits splattered liberally on my screen.  bring on more entries from the dictionary

    note to self: don’t combine blair & lunch

    Posted by KK on 2006 10 14 at 11:52 PM • permalink

  51. Antony Loewenstein is simply trying to become the next Chomsky.  He wants to become rich and popular with the cool lefties.  If that requires betraying the Jewish people, so be it.

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 10 15 at 12:18 AM • permalink

  52. Why isn’t this bloke still writing for the SMH? He sounds so ideal for them.

    Posted by waussie on 2006 10 15 at 12:52 AM • permalink

  53. even Loewenstein has competition.
    I’m waiting for a transcript of tanya Reinhardt;s speech at the edward said lecture in Adelaide, a few days ago.
    No doubt this will be just as bad as Ant’s foul rhetoric.
    And she’s a tenured prof in linguistics at Tel Aviv UNI. Perhaps there’s a future for Ant in Israel alongside her and uri Avnery.
    One has to admire Israeli democracy for giving a free hand to Jews who, in the end, are calling for its destruction

    Posted by davo on 2006 10 15 at 01:18 AM • permalink

  54. Curthoys writes:

    “Loewenstein’s book is structured as a bildungsroman, a transformative narrative of an inquiring protagonist’s independent journeys through multiple social strata and heterodox opinions, enabling rebellious, ironic and reflexive self-expression that usually entails an exile from the parochialism of one’s community of birth.”

    Note how many words are utterly and pretentiously redundant. INQUIRING protagonist? INDEPENDENT journeys? MULTIPLE strata? SELF-expression?

    Intelligent people don’t feel the need to snow the reader with gobbly-gook. This kind of thing is a self-defence mechanism for people pretending to be intelligent.

    Posted by chip on 2006 10 15 at 01:25 AM • permalink

  55. #54

    Intelligent people don’t feel the need to snow the reader with gobbly-gook.

    You are so right. See my comment #26 on this post for a pearler. Forgive me if your reference to gobbly-gook is a subtle reference to it already.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 10 15 at 01:37 AM • permalink

  56. #53 I can count on one hand the number of countries in the world that would permit such a despicable creature to vomit forth his disgusting libel with impunity.

    By the way, anyone else notice the extra (teutonically efficient) layer of IP addressing the Ant has put between himself and the world? The Ant has new friends...:

    Please wait while you’re being redirected to http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/10/14/paying-for-death/.

    Sie werden in einer Sekunde zu http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/10/14/paying-for-death/ weitergeleitet.

    anonym.to is powered by gulli

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 15 at 02:12 AM • permalink

  57. The most effective way of changing western society to suit you own political agandas is to subvert culture and morality from within.
    Once Israel can be accepted by our society as a nation that has no right to exist or to defend itself and is a pariah state by nature, then the work of the leftists is almost done.
    In this sense the mindset towards Israel is the canary in the Coal mine when measuring the state of degeneration of western society.
    When leftists are preaching that israel must lay down and die. they are one step away from saying the same about their own society.

    Posted by davo on 2006 10 15 at 02:16 AM • permalink

  58. At this point I feel that I must stand up for Loewy and hopefully steer this thread into more productive dialogue. My hope is that we can build on some kind of relationship using common ground.

    For example, Ant is a self-hating Jew, while many commenters here plus, (if given the chance to become aware of his existence) many millions of Arabs would no doubt share in this general contempt towards him.

    In the hope of sowing the seed for a new unified understanding, allow me to say this - Loewenstein, you are a tool.

    #45 Nice pick up Dan. Let us know if any bargains come up in the Golan Heights…

    Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 10 15 at 02:29 AM • permalink

  59. Someone is posting at Ant’s site using my name.  I can’t beleive it.  He banned me.

    Posted by Melanie on 2006 10 15 at 02:33 AM • permalink

  60. #56

    That wasn’t him. It was me - I used a redirector so he wouldn’t see where the traffic came from.

    On reflection, it was a mistake. I’d like him (and everyone else) to know the bulk of his traffic came from here…

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 10 15 at 03:28 AM • permalink

  61. What do you expect? Ned Curthoys is a sigantory to an academic boycott of Israel. He believes Israel has no right to exist and is an enthusiastic supporter of various pro-Palestinian academics and groups. He’s a nobody with nothing to say; the perfect person to review Antony Loewenstein’s book favourably.

    Posted by Hanyu on 2006 10 15 at 05:13 AM • permalink

  62. #59 Melanie:

    Don’t trust anyone on Blair’s site with a membership number greater than 2,000.

    Just sayin’, you know.

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 05:46 AM • permalink

  63. In fact Melanie, Barrie above at #47 just scrapes in to the Tim Blair Truth Index.

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 05:56 AM • permalink

  64. Don’t trust anyone on Blair’s site with a membership number greater than 2,000.

    Membership number??

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 10 15 at 06:10 AM • permalink

  65. Grimmy, just hover over your name....

    3585

    You lose!!!  :)

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 06:12 AM • permalink

  66. Ned Curthoys is a branch of an illustrious lefty family tree.

    His mommy, Ann Curthoys, is the daughter of Geoff Curthoys, a man so devoted to the Communist cause that the (then) Soviet government awarded him a vacation in USSR for a lifetime of service thereto. His dad, John Docker, is the son of Ted Docker, another bigwig in the Australian Communist Party.

    Mom and Dock spout all the usual lefty stuff but are distinguished for being (along with pal and phoney Amerindian Ward Churchill) bigtime boosters of the “Aboriginal genocide” view of Tasmanian history.

    Which may go some way to explaining where all young Ned’s poststructuralist blether and pinko totalitarian-eroticism comes from.

    Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 10 15 at 06:12 AM • permalink

  67. Grimmy, just hover over your name....

    No fair. I hover and no number shows up. I feel so cheated.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 10 15 at 06:25 AM • permalink

  68. Grimmy, if you are using I.E., just look at the bottom left-hand corner of your screen, just above the “start” button.

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 06:40 AM • permalink

  69. Or, more than likely, it is a special facility granted to us “<2,000” Blairites, in whch case you will not be able to discern your “special” number.

    Bwahahahhahahhahhahahhahaaaa!

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 06:43 AM • permalink

  70. Works exactly the same in Firefox (surprise, surprise!).

    The URL of the commenter will appear, with membership number.

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 06:48 AM • permalink

  71. I’m OK with the number, I’m 1547.

    Barrie just scrapes in, but how come Salty Nick & Nora, Frollicking and mental are over, I reckon you can trust them… and wron and paco (well, perhaps not wron and paco, at least not with the keys to the equpment hangar and Andrea’s trophy room...)

    Tim B is 2, so big guy, who is 1????

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 06:50 AM • permalink

  72. er,

    Salty, Nick and Nora (damn puncturation)

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 06:52 AM • permalink

  73. Kae, do you have to ask that question?

    I can see Andrea’s Forceful Paddle of Pain being placed into immediate use....

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 06:53 AM • permalink

  74. (#73 Kaboom, just quietly, I reckon that some of those wags deliberately, urm, upset Andrea - see in the name of this thread… protagonist. I reckon they are into a bit of S&B. But don’t tell anyone, I wouldn’t want to sully their reputaions with idle gossip.)

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 06:58 AM • permalink

  75. (or is it B&S? I dunno, but you get my drift...)

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 06:59 AM • permalink

  76. O/T

    Anyone else see the news reports about the commemoration of the sinking of SIEV X?

    I ask you, what person in their right mind would board a boat called ‘SIEV’, especially one numbered V - honestly, I’d be asking “What happened to 1, 2, 3, and 4?”!

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 07:01 AM • permalink

  77. Kae, I’ll find you a report on the SIEV-X.

    Please bear in mind that all identified illegal entry vessels are allocated a chronological number based on a calendar year - e.g. Suspected Illegal Entry Vessel - 1, S.I.E.V.- 2, etc etc.

    S.I.E.V. - “X” does not mean “Roman “10” - it means that it was suspected, but never identified - because the motherfucker sank a few hundred kilometres off the coast of Indonesia!

    S.I.E.V. “X” was an unfortunate maritime incident which occurred off the immediate Indonesian coast, and the only connection to Australia was that the poor souls on board had paid good money to people smugglers to travel illegally to Australia.

    An utterly horrible catastrophe.

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 07:13 AM • permalink

  78. Sorry Kaboom, reeling you in right now. (I know what it all means.)

    Yes a horrible catastrophe, but not the fault of Aus Gov.

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 07:19 AM • permalink

  79. Ulp! Got me!

    (I’m only speaking to you because you are one of the "less than 2,000" Blair minions.)

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 07:23 AM • permalink

  80. Plus, I think the "less than 2,000" people are far more "oafish and infantile" than those above 2,000......

    Posted by Kaboom on 2006 10 15 at 07:32 AM • permalink

  81. It feels good to be one of the ‘less than 2000’. Even if it does mean that one is more oafish and infantile.

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 07:48 AM • permalink

  82. Loewenstein’s fond remarks about his parents are strange in the light of his other comments about his family and the racist atmosphere that was his sad lot. Loewenstein, as told all and sundry, felt “unease” that resulted from “the sense of exclusivity and racism he encountered in his own family towards non-Jews. Non-Jewish girlfriends were unwelcome in his family home. A Polish girlfriend was suspected of having anti-Semitic skeletons in her family closet.” (Sarah Smiles, “The Age”, August 20, 2006

    My, my. That may explain how he got to where he is.

    Posted by Ron on 2006 10 15 at 08:32 AM • permalink

  83. Hey!  I’m number 959!  I feel so special (or oafish and infantile, whatever).

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 10 15 at 09:23 AM • permalink

  84. Tim B is 2, so big guy, who is 1????

    Yeah, who is that?

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 10 15 at 10:29 AM • permalink

  85. #71 kae

    Barrie just scrapes in, but how come Salty Nick & Nora, Frollicking and mental are over, I reckon you can trust them… and wron and paco (well, perhaps not wron and paco, at least not with the keys to the equpment hangar and Andrea’s trophy room...)

    They’re over because we’re still checking them out.  We have to vet their records, employment history, military, school records, and so forth.  Then we send over the MIB and they do the really in depth check over.  I’m talking body cavity degree check over.  Then we have put their names up for nomination to admission to the RWDB and Karl reviews that.  If he approves, then they become official minions (actually a low level form, possibly rabble, maybe scalawags). 

    Really they shouldn’t even be allowed to post here.  I think they slipped in through the back door.

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 10 15 at 10:53 AM • permalink

  86. Damn.  Now I’ve got to post just to find out my number.  Sheesh.

    Posted by Kathy from Austin on 2006 10 15 at 11:06 AM • permalink

  87. I appear to be 970. Am I lucky?  Or just sadass?

    Posted by ushie on 2006 10 15 at 01:06 PM • permalink

  88. (Looks at Ushie’s membership card)

    Ok.  Indeed you are lucky.  You can come in.

    (eyes MentalFloss leaning nonchalantly against the fence, grips truncheon more closely)

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 10 15 at 01:39 PM • permalink

  89. I gots to know.

    Posted by Rob C. on 2006 10 15 at 04:46 PM • permalink

  90. Truncheon? I’ve been lax. And it’s just so happens I have a space in my display cabinet where a truncheon would fit nicely. Now where did I put those tranquilizer darts…

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 10 15 at 05:04 PM • permalink

  91. I pretty much guessed who was No. 1.

    Just goes to prove, behind every great man…

    Mistress of the dark-and-paddly arts…

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 05:47 PM • permalink

  92. Me nxt!

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 10 15 at 05:55 PM • permalink

  93. 2625. *sigh*

    slinks off to find a bucket of icecream for the drowning of sorrows.

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 10 15 at 05:57 PM • permalink

  94. #85 wronwright. Make sure their Health Insurance is paid up before they visit.

    The last crew that tried initiating me (my first week in the Engine Room) ended up with assorted broken noses, arms, contusions and lacerations.

    The Chief Engineer commented, as he led me off for 3 days in the brig, “You’ve made a few enemies today, sailor—it’s a tradition, you know.”

    “I’ll make a few more before I’m done, Sir—I have my own traditions—and the idiots shouldn’t have let me see them coming”.

    The sun has yet to shine on the object of their attention.

    Just a friendly warning…

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 15 at 07:15 PM • permalink

  95. #71,72 Kaloo, Kallay!
    In the company of all you Timorous BlairBoosters, I am pathetically happy to be numbered among the ‘more oafish and infantile’ minions.
    And, Kae, be assured I am working on my puncturation.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 15 at 07:30 PM • permalink

  96. #66
    Pure Gold Archaelology of the Australian Left, Bonjour!
    You’ve got nearly all the strata at the one site! 
    If only it were possible to embarrass some of them.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 15 at 07:38 PM • permalink

  97. Oh Dear. 
    I’ll just say the ‘lol’ above stands for ‘laugh out loud’.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 10 15 at 07:41 PM • permalink

  98. #66 Thanks bonjour triteness, the surname looked familiar. Just shows, how it is not only genenic traits that can be passed on to the offspring.

    Posted by BJM on 2006 10 15 at 07:59 PM • permalink

  99. Hmmm, damage to multiple recipients in confined quarters. Do a bit of Krav Maga Flossy?

    Posted by Henry boy on 2006 10 15 at 08:07 PM • permalink

  100. Who? Which number? I see no number.

    Break it gently now. That’s not a good thing is it?

    Posted by geoff on 2006 10 15 at 09:08 PM • permalink

  101. #99 Level one, only. They lost the initiative and, yes, comming after me on the lower level, between two condensers, with railings on the cat convenient for leverage, the swabs never had a chance (who tries to grapple someone with their hands full of grease and white-lead? Idiots!)

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 15 at 09:10 PM • permalink

  102. 3190?

    Bwwaaaaah! I’m innocent I tell you!

    Posted by geoff on 2006 10 15 at 09:11 PM • permalink

  103. Gee MentalFloss, it’s not that kind of a body cavity inspection.  They’re just looking for hidden microphones.  I hope you don’t feel insulted or anything.

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 10 15 at 09:15 PM • permalink

  104. #100

    Geoff = 3190

    (hold your cursor over your name at the bottom of your post and in the bottom left of the window you will see

    http: blah blah blah /memeber/3190

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 09:18 PM • permalink

  105. Insulted? Not in the least, wron. But your MIB will simply have to squint at the ‘ol brown eye from a distance for any immediate proof of my rectitude. Nyuk, nyuk.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 15 at 10:03 PM • permalink

  106. (Oh, and let there be no mistake—a “snipe” hazing involves the applcation of various messy, difficult to remove and quite unconfortable substances that are normally found in an engine room to the behind of the newly assigned Fireman (only those just out of Boot/Naval A-School), nothing more—but even that was too much for this black duck.)

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 15 at 10:08 PM • permalink

  107. Oi, Kaboom

    I was thinking that you should change your name to Q’boom.

    Posted by kae on 2006 10 15 at 11:34 PM • permalink

  108. This just in: Antony Loewenstein’s book is endorsed by Nazi groups.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 10 16 at 03:37 AM • permalink

  109. The thing about Antony is that he’s so reasonable. All he wants, he says is “open dialogue, mutual respect and critical thinking.” That’s the thing about him: an intellectual, who uses non-emotive language. An example would be this gem of his: “21st century Zionist thinking is akin to a dying rat in a cage.”

    Posted by Ron on 2006 10 16 at 03:54 AM • permalink

  110. #51, a chip off the old schmock...?

    i know, it’s cheap, it’s nasty…

    Posted by carpefraise on 2006 10 18 at 05:14 AM • permalink

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