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A liberal discards his ignorance—but maintains his piety:


In my previous Sharp Note, I thought it might be fun to ridicule George Bush’s infamous photo op with the plastic turkey. However, other than the Guardian, there were few legitimate news links to the plastic turkey story. Right wing bloggers and others have pointed out that the plastic turkey story was not exactly true. In the absence of any real evidence that the turkey in question was actually plastic, I concluded that the right-wing bloggers were probably right on this point.

It’s taken him more than two years. We’re not exactly talking about a MENSA entrance exam here.


The fact that I am willing to give Bush the bird (so to speak) is, I think, a very tiny example of what it means to be a liberal. Confronted with a lack of supporting evidence and claims to the contrary, I was able to change my dearly held assumption about Bush’s bird ...

If he can show me other liberals who’ve changed their minds when confronted with evidence to the contrary, our flexible friend might be on to something. Usually they just roll themselves into a ball and chant: “Fake but true! Fake but true! Fake but true!”


I challenge all other right wingers and GOP men to be as open-minded as me on important matters of poultry and politics.

Start with your own side, mate.

Posted by Tim B. on 01/22/2006 at 08:57 AM
  1. So open minded their brains fall out.

    Posted by Some0Seppo on 2006 01 22 at 12:03 PM • permalink

  2. How about some mea culpas (stressing “I was wrong, I should have known better, I apologize") with regards to many other left liberal canards.  Let’s begin with the Texas Air National Guard memo and the attempt to affect the 2004 US Presidential election. That was unforgivable.  But you could at least ask for forgiveness.

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 01 22 at 12:06 PM • permalink

  3. While I’m at it, I should also mention that there are many many commenters here who stated many untruths about me and my level of competency in the Evil Death Cult Known as Neoconservatism.  A comparison of me to a plastic turkey comes to mind.

    (looks in the direction of Richard McEnroe, Stoop Davy Dave, Michael Lonie, Iowahawk, wiggles fingers, RebeccaH, PW, Dave S, thefrollickingmole, kae)

    Some mea culpas and Japanese style pleas for forgiveness from thou might be both appropriate and timely.

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 01 22 at 12:16 PM • permalink

  4. I’m wrong but look how wonderful I am to admit it. Why don’t you emulate me, ME, ME, ME. You’d be som much more a person if you were like ME!.

    (What a smug, self-absourbed schmuck. To congratulate himself because, for once, he thought something through.)

    Posted by stats on 2006 01 22 at 12:16 PM • permalink

  5. Um… doesn’t a Japanese style plea for forgiveness involve ritual and a very sharp knife?  Hey, I never compared you to a plastic turkey!

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 01 22 at 12:23 PM • permalink

  6. Joey Lunatic is engaging in “truthiness”.  The plastic part of the plastic turkey story is inaccurate, BUT…

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 01 22 at 12:25 PM • permalink

  7. Why doesn’t Chuckman ask about the plastic turkey myth’s motivation? Aren’t leftists always talking about myths’ motivations? What has the “dearness” of the plastic turkey hidden and eclipsed from his and others’ view?

    - Bush’s “Three Pillars” speech in London not long before his Baghdad visit.
    - Bush’s visit itself to Baghdad, raising troop morale AND reassuring Iraqis of U.S. commitment.
    - The anti-terrorist march (1,000 marchers) the next day in Baghdad and the anti-terrorist marches a week later both in Baghdad (10,000 according to Al Jazeerah, 20,000 according to Walid Phares) and in other Iraqi cities.
    - The capture of Saddam Hussein some weeks after Bush’s visit.

    W: “Resolve.”
    World press: “Gobble. Gobble gobble gobble. Gobble!
    W. “Resolve.”

    Posted by ForNow on 2006 01 22 at 12:29 PM • permalink

  8. Where’s that oil pipeline through Afghanistan?

    Posted by ushie on 2006 01 22 at 12:33 PM • permalink

  9. "I challenge all other right wingers and GOP men to be as open-minded as me on important matters of poultry and politics.”

    What, he’s cutting GOP women slack on poultry and politics? Must be those powerful hair rays.

    Posted by paco on 2006 01 22 at 01:05 PM • permalink

  10. wronwright — You’re absolutely right.

    Fellow commenters.  I apologize for never having posted a link to wronwright’s service jacket and performance reviews. While assembling the information, let me leave you with a few representative excerpts:

    “I would follow this man into Gaza out of sheer curiosity.” — A. Sharon

    “He did what?!! *thud* — A. Sharon

    Operative WW: Guys, that limestone is solid.  We can tap that Russian aquifer with no problems.  Slam dunk."

    “Wronwright, did I get any calls from Time last week?” — K. Rove

    Anyway, let me dig around in the files and see what I can put together. Gone to Texas.

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 01 22 at 01:07 PM • permalink

  11. BUAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Joey Looney relaxes his death grip on one small “fake but accurate” talking point, and expects people to see this as a radical change?  I suspect that this just a leftard’s attempt at humor, with his tongue firmly in his cheek.  It just across as proof that lefties have no sense of humor.

    But I liked one of Joey’s reasons to stay in Iraq:

    7. The Iraqi’s still haven’t had a true taste of American freedom, and by that I mean construction of thousands of McDonald’s and Starbucks .

    I’m not read up on this twit, but I suspect that he has never been to the Middle East.  At least along the Gulf nations, there are lots of Starbucks firmly in place; one mall that I visited had one store per floor (it was a 5 story mall, BTW).  I don’t recall any McDonalds (thank GOD), but there were plenty of outlets for Kentucky Fried Chicken, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Dairy Queen, etc.

    Capitalism really sucks, huh, Joey?

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 01 22 at 01:18 PM • permalink

  12. I’m wrong but look how wonderful I am to admit it. Why don’t you emulate me, ME, ME, ME. You’d be so much more a person if you were like ME!

    Yup, liberalism in a nutshell - don’t ever do something just because it’s the right thing to do, it also needs to make you look and feel good.

    Posted by PW on 2006 01 22 at 01:36 PM • permalink

  13. I suspect his tongue’s not in his cheek but in his anus.  Other than, that, spot on.

    Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 01 22 at 02:11 PM • permalink

  14. “Wronwright, did I get any calls from Time last week?” — K. Rove

    Positively LOL! But how did he pin it on Scooter Libby?

    Posted by paco on 2006 01 22 at 02:33 PM • permalink

  15. Why are leftards so invested in the myth of the plastic turkey? Isn’t there anything more important to think about? They are truly deranged. I mean, ultimately, who gives a rat’s ass?

    Posted by Latino on 2006 01 22 at 02:35 PM • permalink

  16. Why did I call Luna “Chuckman”? So many words & names on this Website, and such stingy, bean-counting bolding! Sorry, but it had to be said. Or am I to take the fall for my own missteps?

    Anyway, with Osama’s echoes, Kerry’s ego, Rather’s fake-but-true imagos, it seems a Narcissus festival.

    But Luna is up to something more. Notice that, although he links to a site which, in turn, links to the WaPo article, he doesn’t mention the WaPo article, and he says "In the absence of any real evidence that the turkey in question was actually plastic, I concluded that the right-wing bloggers were probably right on this point." He’s trying to morph it into an absence-of-evidence thing, in order to uphold an idea that absence of evidence equates to evidence of absence, and why would Luna want to do that? Probably the WMD issue is lurking in his mind. But the plastic turkey’s mythicality is affirmatively and determinately shown by numerous records as well as the WaPo article. Many links to such can be found in past posts and comments at Tim Blair’s sites.

    Then Luna goes on to say, “The turkey in question looked so perfect, it could have been plastic, but it was probably real and probably even edible.” What is he talking about? Since when does a plastic turkey automatically look so perfect? See http://timblair.spleenville.com/archives/005402.php#042257:

    66~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    For the curious:

    I worked in the “art department” (responsible for production design/props) for several years on commercials and television and on several occasions we were called upon to provide false food for shoots. Sometimes I was able to make it myself, but on occasion we purchased professionally made false food. It is EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. The studio we bought from is called Trengrove and they make stunningly realistic props. Check out this page to see their range of false meats, including a PLASTIC TURKEY, and look at the prices. If you look at the turkey Dubya is holding, if it were indeed plastic, it would have to be on the caliber of Trengrove’s model to appear as realistic as it did. I’m pretty sure the military didn’t shell out for one of those (and if you add the trimmings, you are talking hundreds of dollars). Get it through your thick heads, Bush bashers, the turkey WAS NOT PLASTIC. I’ve met plastic turkeys, plastic turkeys were friends of mine. Sir, you are NO PLASTIC TURKEY.

    It’s sad that things get this petty, isn’t it?

    Posted by: at December 16, 2003 at 02:45 PM
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~99

    Posted by ForNow on 2006 01 22 at 02:50 PM • permalink

  17. Real Jeff S,
    I’ve read that there are three McDonalds in Mecca.  But the Faithful are not to worry.  The franchisers loudly announced that they would employ no Jews in them.  And they don’t call them hamburgers, lest the Faithful think there is pork in them.  Apparently the average Muslim is too dumb or ignorant to comprehend that the beef patties are called hamburgers because of a connection with Hamburg, not because of they contain any ham.

    The stupidity of this plastic turkey lie is stunning.  The pettiness and vulgarity of the lefties are as abominable at their viciousness.

    Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 01 22 at 05:45 PM • permalink

  18. Wigglewright 3

    A comparison of me to a plastic turkey comes to mind.

    A canard and a calumny, sirrah!  I have never, no never, not ever compared you to a PLASTIC turkey.  For shame, suh!

    Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 01 22 at 05:54 PM • permalink

  19. Ushie #8, yeah!  And how much longer must we wait before coalition forces finally gain control of the Baghdad airport?

    Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 01 22 at 05:56 PM • permalink

  20. Hah!  Thanks, Michael.  I’m not surprised that Mecca has a Mickey D or two.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 01 22 at 06:07 PM • permalink

  21. Paco — He was TOLD to put it on G. Gordon Liddy, ‘cuz we know that boy can keep his mouth shut.  But do you think wronwright was listening?  No, he was too busy sniffing that disgusting waxy rag he carries everyplace…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 01 22 at 06:10 PM • permalink

  22. #3
    Now when did I ever utter any untruths about you Wronwright?  Of course, it’s not too surprising that you might find the truth embarrassing, especially after the fiasco with that Russian lake.  It’s a good thing we could blame it on the CIA.  People will believe anything about the CIA, no matter how ridiculous.

    Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 01 22 at 07:00 PM • permalink

  23. #22, I don’t know, Michael Lonie.  I kind of believe anything about wronwright.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 01 22 at 08:00 PM • permalink

  24. So it only took him two years to figure out he was wrong about the plastic turkey… how long would it take him to figure out he was wrong about something significant?  Who lives that long?

    Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2006 01 22 at 09:21 PM • permalink

  25. #20 TRJ, for shame, as a regular correspondent on an Oz Blog, you should know that the most sinful of our multinational masters is referred to here as ‘Maccas’.

    Posted by entropy on 2006 01 22 at 10:34 PM • permalink

  26. Yeah, I know, entropy.  My Strine is seriously lacking in vocabulary.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 01 22 at 10:40 PM • permalink

  27. "I challenge all other right wingers and GOP men to be as open-minded as me”

    With pleasure.  See you in 2 years.

    By the way, when was the last time a conservative commentator said he was quoting Gore when he allegedly said he invented the Internet?

    Posted by JimC on 2006 01 22 at 11:03 PM • permalink

  28. #22 Now when did I ever utter any untruths about you Wronwright? —Michael Lonie

    When?

    #1—Tim Blair is Gone Party = When you were trying to top McEnroe and Stoop Davy Dave as to the most blatant slanderously concocted lies, specifically about when you accompanied me on the baby seal hunt.  (I did not run from that seal).

    #2—In the hospitality suite in the evenings during the Great Neocon Economic Forum.  (You were mimicking my wax on/wax off motions, and then did a karate kick while shouting “bonzai!”, to considerable laughter).

    #3—At the 2004 Rightwing Continuing Education Conference on Figi.  (You brought Doctor Who out for “another opinion” as to my missions in the past.  “Another opinion”?  Who said anything about bringing a rebuttal to my presentation on “Mead or Egyptian Beers, Which Would You Go Back For?")

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 01 22 at 11:14 PM • permalink

  29. Wow. The left really doesn’t have much to be proud of, do they?

    Posted by Sortelli on 2006 01 23 at 01:14 AM • permalink

  30. Translation:

    I’ve only ever been wrong once: it was when I thought I was wrong but I was actually right.

    Posted by murph on 2006 01 23 at 03:10 AM • permalink

  31. "If he can show me other liberals who’ve changed their minds when confronted with evidence to the contrary, our flexible friend might be on to something.”

    There’s lots of them… they’re just re-labelled “neocons.”

    Posted by Tatterdemalian on 2006 01 23 at 03:22 AM • permalink

  32. It’s no longer “fake but true” a scientific study (http://jimtreacher.com/archives/001340.html) has concluded that the phrase to use is “differently authentic”.

    Posted by Rob Read on 2006 01 23 at 06:51 AM • permalink

  33. He had dearly held assumptions about Laura Bush?
    Well she is lovely.

    Posted by crash on 2006 01 23 at 07:57 AM • permalink

  34. #3

    Thank you Wronnie old mate for deleting me from the latest volume of The Book of Retribution. I can sleep again.

    And that phonecall to Carl? I did not mention at all The Moonbase Attack on the UN Building Incident. Honest. Or the Barbequed Plastic Whale Under Ute Affair. Nor the quite disgusting state of Blair’s dog in his billiard room matter. I have no idea how he found out about all of this.

    Posted by geoff on 2006 01 23 at 09:25 AM • permalink

  35. Ens WW 28

    #1— (I did not run from that seal).

    Aw grant ‘im some damn artistic license, willya?  The point of ML’s story, and his hilarious accompanying pantomime, wasn’t so much your alleged lack of valor, no, but rather to ridicule that “spastic turkey trot” (his term, NOT MINE!) that you do when you’re in a hurry plus overly excited.  I remember it fondly, he really made the bitters come out my nose!

    32 Treacher via Read

    the phrase to use is “differently authentic”.

    Is that like “alternately attractive”?  See Inurbanus is trying to fix me up with his ex-girlfriend, May “Cocaine Sleeves” Blake, and so far, that’s the most complimentary thing he’s been able to say about her.  So I have my doubts and reservations, you know?

    Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 01 23 at 12:11 PM • permalink

  36. Lefties want evidence to the contrary? How’s this?

    Two little words:

    1) Soviet
    2) Union

    Posted by matt on 2006 01 23 at 09:46 PM • permalink

  37. From the link behind that third “Fake but true!” above:
    9

    Mother Sheehan should be thankful they didn’t photoshop crazy she-debbil eyes onto her, as they did on Condoleeza Rice.  And she got writer’s cramp signing all those hundred books?  How hard is it to make an ‘X’, anyway?  And somebody remind me what colour ribbon I’m supposed to wear to honour writer’s cramp incurred while speaking truth to power.
    Posted by cuckoo on 11/30 at 06:35 PM • permalink

    This doesn’t sound all that “lefty” to me, either.

    Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 01 24 at 06:47 PM • permalink

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