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Many readers have noticed the global cooling campaign currently being conducted by the Seven Network’s Sunrise program. Comically, the show’s anti-warming crusade runs parallel with its various viewer competitions, which deliver (or have delivered) the following green-friendly prizes:
• a 4WD Nissan Murano;
• flights to the US to see Jerry Seinfeld perform;
• $6000 plasma televisions;
• New York family holidays;
• race laps at Bathurst;
• touring Australia with INXS;
• weekend flights to Melbourne;
• a flight to London to see Madonna in concert;
• a flight to Germany for the World Cup;
• family flights to New Zealand;
• flights to destinations around Australia, Queenstown and London;
And so on. Does any organisation pushing global warming actually believe in global warming to the extent that it will drastically modify its own behaviour, instead of simply demanding change from others?
UPDATE. Christopher Monckton:
On Thursday, Margaret Beckett, the [British] Foreign Secretary, compared climate sceptics to advocates of Islamic terror. Neither, she said, should have access to the media.
That would be “no”.
It’s “do as we say, you proles, and what your betters do is none of your business”.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 11 13 at 02:05 PM • permalinkDoes any organisation pushing global warming actually believe in global warming to the extent that it will drastically modify its own behaviour, instead of simply demanding change from others?
Envirotards: Hypocrisy in action.
Hey, Tim Lambert or Perfesser Quiggins! Will you call the network on their hypocrisy?
[crickets chirping]
Heh. Silly me!
O/T: Who is stupid enough to think that flying to London to watch Madonna is any sort of prize?!?!?!?! I’d take the flight and ditch the crazy woman for some real entertainment. Street theater, a museum, or pub hopping sound better than listening to Madonna.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 11 13 at 02:56 PM • permalinkNotice this fuel efficient personal conveyance operated by the Seven Network. Must be solar powered.
Posted by swassociates on 2006 11 13 at 03:45 PM • permalinkY’all keep it up. I swear, if I hear one more regressionist attempt to discredit the approved rhetoric I will so totally turn them into my Thought Boss.
Belief and Compliance, not Understanding are what is demanded of the faithful. You are confused because you question. It is the questions that cause you confusion.
The questions confuse you because you are not capable of seeing the big picture.
I guess planting trees in someone’s name doesn’t have the same instant buzz. Satire is dead. Sunrise trumped it and beat it to death.
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Posted by boxofmatches on 2006 11 13 at 05:39 PM • permalink19/20 Grimmy
All they really need to do is pass a law that mandates everyone wear one of those rubberized sweat suits so they dont go contributing their body heat to the environment.
Of course, I dont mean everyone should wear the one same suit.
Well, if one could get “one of those rubberized sweat suits” in A Mikey Moore size, and a few other of THE fat ass Leftist’s “rubberized sweat suits” out there, you could (if one wanted) fit a hell of a lot of folks.
Boy have they got religion!!!
Yesterday, on one of the few occasions I have caught their show recently they interviewed an ‘expert’ about large office blocks leaving their lights burning overnight.This ‘expert’ reckons this practice sends 400,000 tons of CO2 into the atmos every year - 300 tons/building.
Talk about shonky science. No mention whether he was talking all of Australia, just CBD’s, just Sydney. Who would know.
Mel & Koche hung on every word like listening to Moses on the mount. No scepticism, no probing questions, no request for proof. Just blind, bland acceptance. Voodoo scaremongering at it’s worst.
I actually used to enjoy this show but after they talked to Al Gore…. they were all dewey eyed at the knee of the master. I was shocked by their gullibility. Yesterday was my first visit since… I won’t be going back.
Sunrise will be going after Howard big time next year. I can just smell it.
Why not head over to the Channel 7 comments page and ask them some questions. Mine were:
“I was just wondering how much electricity Channel 7 and its affiliates uses per year (in kilowatts or megawatts) in production and broadcasting and what percentage of that is sourced from renewable sources?
On top of that, is your usage increasing year on year or decreasing? Do you have a target for cutting consumption by 2010 - say by 25%?”
You can ask annoying and logical questions about their hypocrisy at Cool the globe comments
Posted by mr creosote on 2006 11 13 at 06:34 PM • permalink#32, rinardman:
I’m not so sure that’s the proper first action.
If we establish the cooling zones around the outskirts of population centers with, say, no more than a 20 minute drive time averaged across those assigned to that CZ then we would get greater compliance and have lesser need of police enforcement to ensure success.
Also, if we can neuter the effect of viral humanity by building CZ around the infection sites, the polar issue would become self correcting.
If we go straight to saving the polar bears as first option, then we set ourselves up to an endless delaying action while the plague that human global warmers represents continues to pump their filthy heat into our beloved Mama Gaia.
In the 50’s and 60’s it was the “bomb”. In the 70’s it was “running out of oil (Paul Erhlich(?)”. In the 80’s it was “greed” and a big dose of STD’s (a neat circle of sin and consequence). In the 90’s it was AIDS. In the naughties it’s “global warming”. Anyone that still thinks that these are actual and not pathological scares has no sense at all.
There is demonstrably a need for many humans to believe that the world is about to end. Maybe it’s because it’s a big and complex place or maybe it’s a massive case of penis envy. One thing is for sure: if global warming goes out of fashion it will be replaced by a new scare.
#36 “There is demonstrably a need for many humans to believe that the world is about to end.”
Agree completely. People always like to think that they are part of something greater. You’d think the War on Terror would be enough for most people.
Posted by Polyester Mojo on 2006 11 13 at 07:43 PM • permalink#38..the War on Terror doesn’t fit the bill as does Global Warming. The War on Terror is not about us being bad even though the left tries to recast it in those terms. They have tried to recast it with:“its all about oil” or “Bush/Halliburton” (i.e. we started it) but sadly for them the majority of US and Australian voters won’t buy it.
Global Warming like “AIDS” etc is about us causing our own destruction. This is a definitive part of the “correct” scare.
On the radio thismorning was talk of the increasing number of children who are suffering from depression, and the connection between a diagnosis of depression and the children’s connection with their school…
I began to wonder why so many children would be suffering from depression. The number of children who try to commit suicide (and some succeed).
If people wonder about why children as young as this are suffering from depression, and see the future as hopeless, perhaps the answer is in the religion of Climate Change, the practice of not allowing children to experience failure and therefore leave them ill-equipped for life in the real world.
I am nearly 50. I remember as a child that I never watched the news or current affairs on TV, I was mostly shielded from it by my mother. I was blissfully unaware of things like the vietnam war as a child. I was allowed to have my childhood.
But, kae! Surely you must understand that if the children are not properly indoctrinated and uni-sexed then we’ll continue to suffer from the gross arrogance and aggressive destructiveness of the phallic male?
How are we to achieve personkind’s proper place in the universe if we don’t keep your grip firmly on the cradle?
Do they realise that their tiny, little weatherman, Grant Denyer, races V8 Supercars? And in fact did surprisingly well at Bathurst this year. Unless V8 Supercar is a misnomer and it’s actually a solar touring car series, then I demand he stop and do his bit to appease the ratings god, uh, I mean Gaia.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 11 13 at 08:12 PM • permalink#36 - allan, well put.
I’m looking forward to the Truck-Sized Neon Abba-Humming Cockroaches scare, myself.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 11 13 at 08:14 PM • permalinkKae, you sound you like you come from a time when the adults acted like adults and the kids like kids.
Not any more. Now we have children being burdened with more and more pressure to act grown up and forego childhood, while at the same time the adults are happily living in a world where the Gummint is the there to solve all life’s ills, from obesity to global warming to paying to look after children.
Kids acting like adults and adults acting like kids. It’s a strange world. But then again, the best golfer is black, the best rapper white and the uninhabited planet Mars has melting ice caps.
Sigh.
Well, I’ve done my bit for global warmening/cooling whatevering. I recently took my 12 y.o. daughter aside for an educational look at global warming economics, as part of my constant battle against school-based propaganda.
ME: Your mother and I are looking at getting solar panels to supply our household electricity needs - rather than paying for coal-based power from Energex.
D: Yay! Neat!
ME: Yes, and it only costs, with rebates, $77,800!
ME: However, as you can see, it only provides 30 KWh per day. Here’s our three monthly power bill - we use 3,340 KWh every three months, which is how much per day?
D: (fiddles with solar-powered calculator) Umm, 36.6 KWh per day?
ME: That’s right! So we’ve got to reduce our power usage by 20%, don’t we?
D: Ummm, yeah, I think so. How do we do that?
ME: Well, we’ve got to cut down - things like no television, no more swimming pool filtering, no computers (except for mine), no more air conditioning, things like that…
D: Oh, umm.
ME: But at least we’ll be doing our part for the environment. And, it will only take a few years to pay it off, by not having to buy electricity from the coal-fired power grid.
D: How long?
ME: Well, if we only use 10,950 KWh per year, and each KWh usually costs 14c, that will be how much saved per year?
D: (fiddles with calculator) Umm $1,533 per year?
ME: Right! - so, if it costs $77,800, that’s how many years?
D: (fiddles with calculator) Umm 50 and three quarter years?
ME: That’s right! That means that you will be almost 63 before the solar power system saves any money at all. That’s not counting any maintenance costs, new battery banks, interest if the purchase money had to be borrowed, or anything.
D: Oh, that’s just stupid.
Another mind proudly saved.
#46
I don’t think it’s right that children should be concerned about things like global warming.
They shouldn’t be watching the news and seeing the awful things which happen in the world which we and they are powerless to stop.
Stranger danger was about as bad as it got for me as a child.An amendment to my post #41 above:
perhaps the answer is in the religion of Climate Change; the practice of not allowing children to experience failure
I added the semi colon - it was a different thought.
So much is expected of children these days, it’s not right.
Children are expected to be prepared for adult life, but they are short-changed on all the information they need to become adults. When pre-school teachers are told not to tell a child they are naughty or say no to a child, what hope is there that this child, should it survive to adulthood, will become a well adjusted member of society?#48 - Brilliant. Economics is the best teacher.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 11 13 at 08:37 PM • permalinkStill can’t decide whether it’s a good or bad thing now that bubblegum morning ‘news’ shows and trashy tabloids (Murdoch’s Sun) are suddenly and cynically converted to global warming hysteria. I give Howard enough credit to know that this is bullshit, so I take his recent greening to be nothing more than an admirably cynical strategy of deflating his critics on this matter.
Why do they fail to see their own inate contradictions?
One expects better even from a Pommie politician; especially Britain’ Environment secretary.
The Australian, Opinion 14/11, Denial won’t halt global warming.
Never mind the irrelevancies and distortions about the debate being allegedly over re the science of global warming.
Merely look how David Miliband tries to prove his case re scientific end of the sceptic’s case by quoting an essentially economically irrational economic report by Nicholas Stern! It gets worse; he admits to the alleged economic basis of the Stern report, then once again refers to ‘‘the technologies exist’’ This is a triumverate of self - created contradictions - which must discredit the rest of his article - which I did not bother reading! Kindly note that alleged technologies are not viable economically.
The eloquent reader not besotted with the hysteria - de - jour may care to read the brilliant article by in The Australian Nov 3 -
Bob Carter: British report the last hurrah of warmaholics ...
It is essential reading debunking the Stern Report and the paucity of relable science therein!
Let it be recorded that the alleged terror of Climate Change will be understood by historians as even more discreditable than world starvation, the Y2K bug, the virtues of Communism - and all other discredited leftist ideas.
Oh, by the way Carbon trading - and all attendant silly euphemisms, is / are simply akin to printing play - money - taxes that absurdly the loonies will try to take into the real world.
Think about it next time they mention Carbon Pricing, etc.
From: Geoff Seidner
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David Miliband: Denial won’t halt global warming
14 November 2006
THE debate is over. For many years, skeptics of the Kyoto protocol used to base their objections on the science of climate change. But when the scientific evidence became overwhelming, many shifted their ground to economic criteria. They argued that action on emissions was too costly and should be left to the future when new technologies would make it easier.————————————————————————————————————————
Bob Carter: British report the last hurrah of warmaholics ... The Australian, Australia’s national daily newspaper. ... Bob Carter: British report the last hurrah of warmaholics. The Stern warning could join Paul ...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20690289-7583,00.html - Similar pages#56 - I’m bringing my kids here to see this!
Well don’t dilly dally man! It’s time they had a decent role model in their lives.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 11 13 at 09:13 PM • permalinkOn Thursday, Margaret Beckett, the [British] Foreign Secretary, compared climate sceptics to advocates of Islamic terror. Neither, she said, should have access to the media.
If only we had as much… al-Combustion TV,anybody?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 11 13 at 09:24 PM • permalink#44
Do they realise that their tiny, little weatherman, Grant Denyer, races V8 Supercars?
Weather person.
#55
I don’t think an assignment or speech titled “Why solar panels are useless and cost a fortune” would go down too well with some of the zealots in the education system.
Well how about one entitled: “Solar Power: What do do about all the tonnes of expired lead-acid batteries while saving the Earth”.
#57 ...P.J. O’Rourke in one of his works makes the point that governments exist to take away your power. If you accept that, it explains a lot about the world. Gun control is a good example: no one has shown the death/murder/suicide rate reduced overall by gun control but the fact of gun control allows a measure of interference by government with your life. In addition it has the double benefit for your government of ensuring you cannot defend yourself and thus depend on police and government.
If we take the example of global warming: governments become interested when they find they can influence your behaviour. John Howard is certainly “on board” as he saw what happened to the GOP in the mid-term election. Howard is not a government power aggregator overall but knows how to get elected. But the issue of increased government control is certainly the one that has attracted Tony Blair to the case. He is after all a socialist even though dressed as a capitalist.
As to carbon trading, it is the creation of a new market and with the huge number of investors and fund managers in the world there is certainly a huge interest in any new market. Carbon availability itself needn’t be the issue. There is for instance a gold market that bears little relationship to supply or intrinsic worth and in the futures market supply is even less relevant. Carbon trading is just a way to make money and that should explain the interest of bankers and insurance investment managers.
Oh, pinochet, how can we take your grasp of your religion seriously when you haven’t even understood that the Newest Book in your Gospels, Gore’s Revelations, now requires you to refer to the Cataclysmic Horror Which Definitively Awaits Us All as climate change.
Tsk tsk.
Posted by Crispytoast on 2006 11 13 at 09:44 PM • permalinkAll this talk has reminded me on something my mother had years ago
I’m all for bringing back the pedal sewing machine
Not only is it human powered but I’m thinking of the exercise pushing that pedal - and getting my legs into shape so I can go and expose them down at Cronulla
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 11 13 at 09:45 PM • permalinkI think anyone who farts and hurts and insults Gaia in such disrepectful manner should be shot, converted to manure, and feed to some trees.
Posted by the nailgun on 2006 11 13 at 10:02 PM • permalink#48 Kaboom.
Great stuff. Please send a copy of your comment to the Channel 7 ‘Cool the globe comments’ link in #28 above.
Either that or give me permission to quote you in the comment I am preparing to send.
I have recently researched installing the Energex 2000 solar generator system on my place and came up with similar horrendous costs.
My message to Sunrise will be that they are deceiving their viewers by not informing us of the costs.NSW Sheep Graziers Warning at Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology Issued at 1059 on Tuesday the 14th of November 2006: Graziers are advised of unseasonably cold fresh southwesterly winds and isolated showers with possible snow above 1000 metres on Wednesday night in the following New South Wales districts:
CENTRAL TABLELANDS
SOUTHERN TABLELANDS
SOUTH WEST SLOPESPosted by stackja1945 on 2006 11 13 at 10:07 PM • permalinkOn Thursday, Margaret Beckett, the [British] Foreign Secretary, compared climate sceptics to advocates of Islamic terror. Neither, she said, should have access to the media.
On Tuesday, Mr Hackenbacker compared Margaret Beckett to a hardened turd - except he said the turd was smarter.
Posted by Mr Hackenbacker on 2006 11 13 at 10:12 PM • permalink#69 stackja1945
Good heavens! What is wrong with our weather?
Mel and Kochie have now gone way too far with their global cooling campaign
Time for some mass emails to CH7 about this then
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 11 13 at 10:22 PM • permalink#56: I know something of Chilean politics, and you, Sir, are no Pinochet.
A hermetically sealed colony of global warming deniers. The better to seal in that delicious flavor and juicy goodness!
Hey, Wronwright, aren’t you the axe man? You’ve been demanding resignations; how about the resignation of the person in charge of troll quality-control? Whoever’s responsible is letting in some very low-grade talent. Crikey, the regular commenters here can do trollery better than this (vide PW’s excellent impersonation of Miranda). Take this Pinochet character, for example. No vim. No vigor. No . . . oomph.
For example, he could have said: “W-e-l-l, what have we here? Looks like the Flat Earth Society has established a wholly-owned subsidiary dedicated, among other things, to the joyful proposition that the melting polar ice cap means we’ll never have to worry about losing the formula for making ice cubes.” See? Easy. Very little thought needed. But not no thought, whatsoever.
When they tell me what the weather will be in 3 months from now EXACTLY, I might have a little more faith in the science used.
Mind you its the perfect cult, everyone knows the weather KEEPS CHANGING “aieee too hot, aiee too cold, aiee nice weather” and so on.
I spent most of my childhood thinking i was going to be irradiated, allways in the back of my mind (I was a strange child) was the thought that not much mattered Id be dead soon anyway.
Since then you can shove your global catastrophies up your clacker, I dont believe you, and I dont care.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 11 13 at 10:41 PM • permalink#67 Skeeter
My message to Sunrise will be that they are deceiving their viewers by not informing us of the costs.
Don’t rush to do that. They will only change the petition and start pressuring the Government to provide everyone with $70,000 to install solar panels.
It would be much better to send them obituaries of people who have died from the cold, telling them that their plan to cool the globe will kill people (not that it will work).
It used to be a battle in my house between Sesame Street and Sunrise. Now it is no contest. Viva la Cookie Monster.
#71 to be fair, carbon trading could also be about ensuring polluters recognise the cost of their emissions, and ensuring that profitiablity flows to the lowest emitters to achieve a societal goal of reducing an undesirable externality.
That’s the theory, of course. The only problem is how to account for those operating outside the trading system, and the inevitable free riders. As proposed under Kyoto, it would just end up giving those outside the system, and the free riders a competitive advantage, and at the end of the day, no net reduction in emissions. When they solve those problems, they can get back to me and I might get interested.
/troll mode on
And how about President W(tf?). Flying his kamikaze foreign policy into the deck of world opinion shouting Bonzo!
And don’t get me started on Republicans. No sooner did they get to Washington on a promise to end pork barrel politics than they elbowed their way to the front of the buffet.
/troll mode off
Too, too easy. For a nominal fee, I’ll be glad to do troll duty. I’ll need a new name, though. Maybe “Taco”.
#78 thefrollickingmole
Goodonya! This obsession with weather/climate/GW/GC etc is driving me up the wall
Even at work where the young receptionists can be relied on to update us oldies on Kylie, Brittney, Idol,Brangelina - yesterday in the kitchen, they were seriously discussing melting icecaps and how soon the water will submerge Sydney
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 11 13 at 10:48 PM • permalinkO/T -
The High Court today rejected the challenge by states and territories to the government’s controversial workplace relations laws.
The High Court by a 5-2 majority dismissed challenges to the constitutional validity of the federal government’s Work Choices legislation. Two dissenting judgments came from Justices Michael Kirby and Ian Callinan.
Kirby and Callinan dissented on Howard’s legislation! Who’d have thought?
Note also the editorialising adjective ‘controversial’ in this ‘news’ item. That’s AAP for you.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 11 13 at 10:52 PM • permalink#81 Paco/Taco
Thanks so much for the laugh! Very clever indeed
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 11 13 at 10:52 PM • permalinkA hermetically sealed colony of global warming deniers.
Yes, we sealed ourselves up in the Refugedome in the late 1970s to survive the pollution-caused Ice Age, the Ehrlich population bomb, and the depletion of the world’s oil reserves in the 1990s.
How are you Outdomers doing? Are you dressed in studded leather and hockey armor, stealing each other’s gasoline in a nightmare world where the dead are the lucky ones?
Just listening to redneck radio - apparently the best natural treatment for depression is fish oil
There - for all the depressed GWandC doomsdayers out there - this’ll fix ya!
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 11 13 at 11:42 PM • permalinkOh come on folks, cut those nice people on the morning “news” shows a break. They are to serious journalism what Vanilla Ice was to hip-hop. (Sorry bout the pic, hope nobody was eating dinner or breakfast.)
Posted by David Crawford on 2006 11 13 at 11:48 PM • permalinkBack in the 1950s when one of “the big scares” was alien invasion from outerspace, it was decided to make the eating of pizza part of the test to ensure humanness in case of doubt.
This is when pizza parlors began to spring up all over the nation. Once the technology was in place, “to go” pizza was established so that pizza could be quickly delivered to respond to emergency identification needs.
paco, you have 2 choices.
Eat a pizza pie in the presents of already verified humans or report to your nearest federal post office and ask to speak to “special operator #16924241”. Be prepaired to account for every moment of your life, have documentation to verify. Any undocumented period of more than 3 days will be taken to mean you were UA for reasons of being pod peopled.
#90 kae
Didn’t hear that part - it’s now probably refined into a little blue pill
As for the boyfreind who fish oiled his car - where did he put it and was the car a happy smoothly running well adjusted car?
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 11 13 at 11:57 PM • permalink#79 Your are probably right Prez, thanks for the tip.
Somebody told me that Koch this morning equated the extra costs of buying ‘green’ power from your electricity supplier to the ‘costs of a cup of coffee’.
If I had bought all my power at Energex’s green rate for the past year, it would have cost me an additional $748. The really sad thing is it would have made no difference to the carbon emissions, so I’d rather spend it on coffee.
There are no sprogs in my place so I didn’t know Sesame Street was available.
At last, something to watch in the mornings.#95
Hmm. Not sure, I just know it stunk and it stunk for ages.
First he had a Rover 90 1958 model, then he drove his mother’s Ford Anglia (but dunno what year), which he hotted up a bit so his mum was too scared to drive it. Not sure which car it was, prolly the anglebox.
#97 I think the fish oil was a rust proofing.Just recieved my 2pm update from the Daily Telegraph
And this was the headline
url=http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20751453-5001021,00.html]France wants a tax on all countries which didn’t sign the Kyoto whatever[/url]How can he tax us - hypocrite - what about the burning cars eh Mr de Villepin?
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 11 14 at 12:10 AM • permalinkOops - on L plates here still
France wants to tax countries like OZ for not signing the Kyoto thingie
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 11 14 at 12:13 AM • permalinkOT. Can someone let me know why the transcript for the lateline Bob Carr interview is missing completely?
When is mediawitch going to spring into action on this one. If you have the broadcast saved on your comp then keep it, I think there may be a dose of memory wiping happening at the ABC.
Its like it never happened…...
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/includes/lateline_20061101.htmPosted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 11 14 at 12:17 AM • permalinkbtw, I received a nice reply to my email to the ‘Cool the globe’ people from the editor himself (who admits he was swayed by Al Gore’s ‘documentary’).
I’d encourage everyone to let him know what you think:
If you have a comment or suggestion relating to Cool The Globe, please use this form.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 11 14 at 12:18 AM • permalinkArtVandelay
I followed your link, its comedy gold.“The Climate Change Action Kit contains a variety of tips and tools including:
“Australia’s Inconvenient Truth” - this booklet provides an overview of climate change, its impact on Australia and solutions we can adopt today.
Handy GreenHome tips for making simple changes in your life to reduce your greenhouse pollution.
Act now on Climate Change, sticker.
Fridge Magnet with GreenHome tips.
A letter for you to send to your State Senator urging greater action on climate change.
Ways for you to become part of a growing community of Australians committed to tackling climate change.”How many of the caring, concerned types do you think would have been deriding Howard for the terrorist fridge magnets a few years back?
A Pro forma letter to express your deep individual concern!
A sticker for your mercedes.
Growing community, more like mushrooms methinks.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 11 14 at 12:37 AM • permalinkWe are all preaching to the choir here. In reality we know that there is no evidence either way for or against Global Warming. That’s not the name of the game. The game is to get someone else to pay a price.
France is 80% nuclear and this makes it easy for them to put other countries “under the gun”. Clearly a carbon credits tax would be in their favour and as a country with the most developed nuclear power industry they would be looking at huge export contracts if everybody took GW (as in Global Warming) seriously.
Without GW people like our Bob Brown would be treated like the village idiots they are and Al Gore would be…well Al Gore.
Most western governments see the end game as a revival of the nuclear industry and are playing the GWs to get it.
#106, you’re too kind! I think my message wasn’t really cool or logical but, to his credit, the editor did write a polite reply. He was after more information probably since he’s never come across a sceptic before.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 11 14 at 12:53 AM • permalinkI’ll tell you would have been really pissed he didn’t think of Climate Change first. L Ron Hubbard. Sure Scientology was a pretty nice earner for him but its not a patch on Climate Change.
Posted by the nailgun on 2006 11 14 at 01:05 AM • permalinkDoes any organisation pushing global warming actually believe in global warming to the extent that it will drastically modify its own behaviour
I call it “the Alec Baldwin effect”. I saw him interviewed by Charlie Rose a while back and Alec complained that he wasn’t taxed enough. Tragic. Charlie asked why doesn’t he just give the government the difference between his taxes and what he thinks he should pay. Alec got Indignant and said “Oh no! Not unless everyone else has to do it too!” (paraphrasing)
- A friend of mine thinks the local public transportation is underutilized. The bus lines aren’t expansive enough. Like hell will she walk 8 blocks from her house to a bus stop. If the bus stops were closer and if the buses went to places she wants to go and more frequently so she won’t have to wait and if the buses were clean (they are newer & cleaner than some buses I’ve been on, but she is a clean freak) , and safe, and if stinky people weren’t on them… then she might use them.
- She wants SUVs outlawed. Until her husband bought one. I pointed out the contradiction and she said that they need the space of an SUV but other people are being wasteful. She still supports a ban on SUVs so when everyone is banned from owning an SUV then they’ll get rid of theirs.
- She is worried about global warming but that won’t stop her from flying to a vacation spot or to see family. It won’t stop her from driving her car, she won’t get rid of her big screen tv or stop buying imported coffee. The problem is evil corporations.
- She says everyone should live in apartments or condos because houses are inefficient. But since the apartments don’t offer the space and amenities she demands for a “fair” price they bought a house.
- She’d like to put solar panels on her house but it costs too much. (again, the fault of evil corporations)
- She says overpopulation is a problem and a limit of 1 child per couple seems reasonable. Until she got pregnant. Now she has 2 kids and is talking about having a third. Then maybe a fourth. Of course, other people should still limit themselves.Posted by Col. Milquetoast on 2006 11 14 at 01:44 AM • permalink#104 ArtVandelay
I received a nice reply to my email to the ‘Cool the globe’ people from the editor himself
No doubt he is a new convert to this latest religion. But did you notice the start of his missive or should I say sermon. “I have a confessions to make”
Well I say a better version should have started something like this, “Oh Lord Gaia, we have sinned and we come before you this day to make general confession. We have done those things which we ought not to have done and we have not done those things which we ought to have done and there is no health in us, but thou Oh Lord Gaia have mercy upon us miserable offenders, etc., etc., Say, with this line he may get an even larger following!
#46 Kaboom - spot on, and this is the same reason why I don’t have a solar hot water heater here in Sydney. The price for off-peak electricity and the service life of a water heater make the economic equation negative.
And here’s a tit bit of trivia. The simple return on the investment for the solar pv cells fitted to the athletes accommodation in the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games village is 89 years! Remember those green friendly games – yeah at taxpayers expense and BTW you won’t read about the 89 years anywhere…. and I wonder why?
I think you fail to understand what a kick some people get out of being virtuous - of being annoying holier-than-bloody-thou.
I, for instance, am the most virtuous person commenting here tonight. I am so nice to the planet compared to you lot, that I make the Virgin Mary seem like a nasty person. I am goodness personified.
Why?
Because I cycle to work whilst you lot kill poor old gaia with car fumes.
I hope you feel bad, you horrible wretches.
On the other hand, I was so hot and sweaty when I got home, I had to take a two hour shower. Pity about the drought and all that, but I’m not giving up my prolonged showers because I am so good. I am just bouncing with goodness and wonderfulness and…
...I will shut up now. But I think you can see where Al Gore & Co. get their rocks off.
By the way, Al doesn’t see his flying around as a problem because he is edumacating us yokels. Too bad if he has to destroy the planet to save it….
Posted by mr creosote on 2006 11 14 at 04:56 AM • permalinkSave it for who?
Or should that be whom? I can never work it out. I blame my English treacher.
Posted by mr creosote on 2006 11 14 at 05:24 AM • permalink#50 kae, you are spot on. My ruggie has no concept of stranger danger at the ripe old age of 4. She also has no idea about gerbil wormening, drowning polar bears, Al Gore or The Morris Iemma Dancers.
On the rare occasions she sees the news, she nags me to turn it over, and when she is in daycare, the carer has strict instructions to tell her off if she needs is.
She is a child and allowed to be such.
None of that enviroligion in this household, thank you.
Cue one seriously farked up generation.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 11 14 at 05:28 AM • permalink#120 Nilk
My brother and I were the same. We were bored with the news and that type of programme. We didn’t want to watch it - we were sidetracked and occupied doing other stuff, having our bath or eating dinner. Noone at school talked about the Viet Nam war, global cooling, running out of fossil fuels, kids our age being kidnapped or murdered, or seriously injured in car accidents. I reckon if one of our school mates had been killed or seriously injured in an accident we would have been sheltered from it.
Maybe I was a bit slow, it took me a few times to figure out that when mum was chasing me to smack me I really should run out of the house instead of into my bedroom - even if I took off out of the house, she’d call out “You have to come home sometime.”
*sigh*
I survived.
No wonder you get so much joy out of McGilla, she’s still innocent.#94 Grimmy -
Eat a pizza pie in the presents of already verified humans or report to your nearest federal post office and ask to speak to “special operator #16924241”. Be prepaired to account for every moment of your life, have documentation to verify. Any undocumented period of more than 3 days will be taken to mean you were UA for reasons of being pod peopled.
Thanks a lot for giving out my RWDB ID number. Now I know why I’ve been getting non-stop phone calls from lonely older ladies going through their lives in detailed order.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 11 14 at 06:30 AM • permalink#108 Allan, the french are even more sneaky than that.
What you do (if you are a cleaver little frenchie) is that you design something known as the kyoto protocol, where every country agrees to reduce their level of co2 omissions below that of some arbitrary year seemingly picked at random - let’s say for argument’s sake, 1990.
Then you would form a ‘european umbrella’ to collectively monitor your emissions, but insist that no other set of countries are allowed to group in a similar fashion. Coincidently, this ‘european umbrella’ would include a number of eastern european countries that prior to 1990 had a rather cavalier approach to emissions, and whose economies for some unknown manner went severely down the tubes around about the arbitrary year of 1990. This of course means that there is no way they will ever reach the same level of emissions as they did in 1990, making your job vastly easier. Toss in the UK which at the end of the eighties had the iron lady shutting down its highly inefficient coal industry as a bonus, and make it look like you aren’t picking on the anglos. You would also ensure that your birth rate sucked the big time, further reducing your growth in demand.Meanwhile, in order to maximise the impact on those colonial anglo interlopers who through random accident have access to bountiful resources, high birth rates and rapidly growing economies have temporarily usurped la bell france from its rightful place as world dominator (hegemony is for wusses), you get a whole lot of developing countries to sign up to a protocol that doesn’t ask them to do anything. Thus creating a moral imperative that will show up those nasty colonial anglos as the nasty baddies they really are.
77 Grimmy
But if commoners are armed, how will the police be able to enforce the will of our thought masters?
Look for attempts these next two years, to challenge and/or in some fashion strip down parts of the second amendment.
Have no fear though, since we have an abundance of trees, we can tear at these people limb by limb.
On Thursday, Margaret Beckett, the [British] Foreign Secretary, compared climate sceptics to advocates of Islamic terror. Neither, she said, should have access to the media.
Come back Robin Cook, you philandering poison dwarf! All is forgiven!
Oh yeah, the poor guy is dead…
Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2006 11 14 at 08:03 AM • permalink#123 El doesn’t mince words does he?
#103 “the French want to tax us for not being part of the Kyoto thingie”
Why the low down double dealing varmints..
we never taxed them for blowing up Mururoa atoll and the enzedders held off when they sunk the Rainbow Warrior and killed that photographer..ingrates!Probably worth mentioning that a member of the Sunrise team, Grant Denyer, recently came 9th at Bathurst driving a Dick Johnson Racing Falcon. And Denyer and another Sunriser, Mark Beratta will form part of the commnetary team when 7 takes over coverage of the V8 Supercars in 2007. 7 paid a record $1m per race for the telecast rights.
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“Does any organisation pushing global warming actually believe in global warming to the extent that it will drastically modify its own behaviour, instead of simply demanding change from others?”
I assume that you’re joking.