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SUNDAY MORNING CRASH THREAD
A new regular feature: vivisect today’s talking-head shows, including Sunday, Meet the Press, and The Insiders. (Thread named after one of this site’s freestylin’ media monitors.)
Hey, come on, help the boy out here; he’s obviously researching a column… *g*
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 10 22 at 05:20 PM • permalinkI’m not using my sharp analytical mind, incisive commentary and robust debating skills for just anyone, girlfriend.
(Sorry, I was channelling Davina Marr there for a sec…) Speaking of
her,it,shim, the Insider page at the ABC site doesn’t have girlfriend’s details up under the regular panellists bio’s. Maybe he’s considered by the ABC to be ‘irregular’?Errr, guess I will be back shortly with more incisive critique of Insiders and whatever else I manage to watch.
Posted by Major Anya on 2005 10 22 at 05:58 PM • permalinkYou know, CB, just because a bloke is gay doesn’t make him “her”, “she” etc.
It just makes him a gay male.
Posted by Major Anya on 2005 10 22 at 06:00 PM • permalinkThat’s my ‘tired, old, anachronistic prejudices’ for you. My biggest issue with Marr stems from his inability to see any viewpoint other than his own or his supporters. Shrill conspiracy theories that get far more creedence than should be fesible does NOT make him and expert all things political. I know his sexuality has nothing to do with it.
(It does explain why his head is up his ass though)
That’s cool, CB. Cheeky bastard for that last line.
I know we have had a conversation about homosexuality in a Brisbane bar. Mind you, I was fairly pissed at the time. Am about to lose my job so might pay a visit to Briz again shortly.
Marr is a totally luvvie (politically) and is a bit rude but he does bring some engegy to the program. He is certainly more interesting than Farr and, I have to say it, Piers who looks half asleep most of the time.
Posted by Major Anya on 2005 10 22 at 06:20 PM • permalinkAw Tim,
That means having to get up early and everything. Can’t we critique the super V8 racing and Champ car racing instead?::silence::
Oh, okay.
—NoraPosted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 22 at 06:31 PM • permalinkRelying on Sunday’s web site (the full transcript is not up yet), I read this overview of the piece they’re going to do on Saddam’s former pilot, Ali Al-Wahabi, now an Aussie resident.
It was this end piece which struck me as interesting:
Ali hopes Saddam is not executed: “I’m a very forgivable sort of a person and I really do hope they will not execute him because if they do they will be doing exactly the same, the very wrong thing the regime used to do. Just don’t kill any human being, just don’t, this is not your business, this is the Almighty’s business.”
Three things. The man’s surname is Al-Wahabi, presumably meaning “from the Wahabi”. I think that perhaps this man wasn’t just chosen for this flying ability but also his connection (perhaps in name only) with the Wahabi sect of puritanical and militant Islam.
Secondly, he says to execute Saddam is to do what the regime did. Pardon me? That rather facile statement ignores the reintroduction of legitimate democratic rule of law in Iraq and the transparency of the trial.
I struggled with his until I found a reference on the web site, Pakistan Today:
Since Islamism is a product of Wahhabi ideology, it is only logical to conclude that the Islamists will follow the Arab code of honor - continuing with their terrorism. “The Arab either “whitens” the face (saves face), or “blackens” the face (loses face). “Face is the outward appearance of honor, the ‘front’ of honor which a man will strive to preserve even if, in actuality, he has committed a dishonorable act” (ibid., p. 101). In the Arab world “honor” and “face” are so closely related that the words are almost interchangeable. This “face,” or “honor,” is such an integral part of the Arab mind that a person is considered perfectly justified in resorting to deceit and falseness in order to “whiten,” or save, their own, someone else’s or the entire Arab world’s face.
Al-Wahabi is trying to save face regarding his knowledge of the reprehensible things done while he either physically or metaphorically watched from the sidelines.
Thirdly, Al-Wahabi has a book coming out. How convenient.
Fourthly, Will Kirstine Lumb ask serious questions that will make her guest uncomfortable in effort to get to some objective truth? Not likely, expect to see promotional puff piece complete with compassionate head tilts and noddies.
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 22 at 07:03 PM • permalinkDarlene, he’s not a ‘gay male’. He’s a homosexual.
—Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 22 at 07:05 PM • permalinkAlso on Sunday’s web site: missing words from segment preview. I’ve helpfully put them back in bold.
“A young Australian journalist, Sophie McNeill, shows her desperate naivity and ignorance of the facts when she spent a week with Cindy Sheehan and her supporters, and gets caught up in the raw and unleavened hysteria of the emotionally disturbed Sheehan, as little Sophie reports completely uncritically for Sunday in this video diary which also serves the purpose of paying for her US holiday.
All done in the interests of truth, y’know.
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 22 at 07:14 PM • permalinkABC radio this morning reported a recent Catholic council, in which, er, no changes were made to Church teaching as follows: “Hopes for change were dashed..” And I guess that those who hope for MacDonald’s to take all meat products off their menu and serve only halal tofu starting tomorrow…will also have their hopes dashed.
I don’t know about TV, but what the hell is going on in Loewenstein’s latest post? Is he racist or just dumb?
Scroll down for comment gold. And someone with photo software, grab a screen shot now, before Loewenstein
censorsedits the post!Darlene’s Insiders report.
Well, today’s edition of Insiders was missing any exciting couch action.
The “experts” were Karen Middleton, Matt Price and Glenn Milne.
Ho hum and we girls at least deserve to wake up to Andrew Bolt every Sunday.
Paul Kelly was typically full of fun as he discussed “shoot to kill” provisions or something or rather.
Went and got my weeties during this part of the program.
Workplace Relations Minister Kevin Andrews discussed the IR changes. Apparently $15 000 000 has been spent in two weeks promoting them.
While Andrews is correct in arguing that any job is better than no job, I think ordinary workers should be wary of the proposed reforms.
Some historian come on to discuss the terrorism thingy stuff, at which point I got up to get some toast with Vegemite.
Betcha terrorists don’t eat Australia’s most delicious treat.
The guy standing in for the guy who usually discusses cartoons and photographs talked to a guy about some cartoons and photographs.
As usual, the attractive but unpleasant Bill Leak got a run with some some toon using wrestling as a metaphor and the attack - tee hee and fight, fight, fight - in the NSW parliament got a run.
Mark Vaile’s email in relation to Queenland’s populist of the moment, Barnaby Joyce, was also discussed, while Glenn Milne’s hairdo seems to have a life of its own.
If he loses his couch spot, he could become an Elvis impersonator.
Posted by Major Anya on 2005 10 22 at 07:58 PM • permalinkI thought he was a poof, a queer, a shirt lifter etc etc
Quite frankly, David Marr can call himself whatever he wants, I still don’t agree with most of his politics regardless of who he makes love to.
Posted by Major Anya on 2005 10 22 at 08:01 PM • permalinkThanks for the synopsis Darlene, you’ve spoilt all my fun. The insiders doesn’t reach HK till 12.00 your time, though its not like knowing the end to the Sixth Sense is it.
I think that Darlene’s synopsis makes a point. The insiders has become oh so predictable. Paul Kelly at Thunderbird base, gravely intoning about’the Howard Government’, The queen of the Marr flowers smug and a ‘know it all look’ about every topic and Piers like a RWDB Jabba the Hutt.
Virginia Triolli I could willingly strangle. Malcolm Farr is inefectual, Matt Price another of the smug brigade, even when he’s getting a pasting and Bolta, the voice of reason.One last point. Marr’s sexuality is his own business I suppose, though for someone so strident about ‘rights’and Islamists in general, he remains strangely mute about ‘those warm furry mohammadeans’ and their less ‘inclusive’ views about Dave and his mates.
Good point, Nic, about Marr and the Left being prepared to tolerate intolerant Islamists.
Now, I must piss off because I start coming off like I am a troll, and not in a good way.
Posted by Major Anya on 2005 10 22 at 08:27 PM • permalinkNot a lot of certainty in the Sunday Age, either:
POLICE and ASIO could move before Christmas to impose restrictions on terrorist suspects, with the Howard Government urging authorities to take “the first available opportunity” to use new anti-terror powers.
But for one in five working-age Australians, Sunday has become just another work day, and under the Federal Government’s proposed industrial relations changes more people could be required to join them.
It has also warned that fine particle pollution can exacerbate respiratory and cardiovascular disease, with high levels possibly causing “increases in hospitalisations and premature mortality”.
Only if you strapped me down like little Alex in A Clockwork Orange.
Posted by Pat Patterson on 2005 10 22 at 08:54 PM • permalinkI’ve saved a copy of Loewenstein’s little Asian moment for posterity.
What the hell does he think he’s on about? That post makes no sense at all.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2005 10 22 at 09:10 PM • permalinkWho knows, Evil? Though several possibilities come to mind:
1) Something to do with Australias trade agreements with China;
2) I’ve heard that China wants to buy into a uranium mine in the Northern Territory;
3) Loewenstein uses cheap racial stereotypes because he couldn’t think of anything else to post on his blog.
I’m going with 3).
OK, I’ll play.
While Matt Price seems to be a lovely man, and probably quite cute in his day, he strikes me as being a bit slow. He is not a very perceptive journalist, and always calls it wrong. Who could ever forget him calling the last election for Latham on the very day of the election!
I’m with Darlene on Marr. He DOES bring energy. But he is such an overbearing sanctimonious ponce, so the energy is toxic. He reminds me a LOT of that Dee Bayliss over on Margostan. Everytime Marr opens that awful affected voice, gushing with some prediction or analysis, I nearly heave.
Marr seems as though he hasn’t got out much in his time. He has a very myopic North Shore GPS boy view of the world. He’ll often break into, “no, no, no, what you’re all missing is the REAL issue and this will be the one that will sink Howard for sure…...”
Andof course, it is totally inappropriate he being a panellist on The Insiders, even though the right-wingers trump each time.
I suppose the aggressive mutual loathing btween Marr and Ackerman/Bolt is quite a hoot!
Oh, and I am totally with Latham on that puffed-up “poisoned dwarf!”
I’m an expat and don’t get OZ TV so grateful to crash for the ABC and SBS Watch.
Seems to have worsened since I left Australia in 1997. I guess we’re making the left squeal more these days. Good.
A great pity we hear no more from
http://www.abcwatch.blogspot.com/ crash?I think Insiders is best when you have Marr on one half of the couch, Bolty on a chair of his own on the right, and someone like a Price or Farr in the middle - both who are quite happy to pay out either.
This always gets Marr and Bolt well fired up and some decently charged debate. Today’s show was a perfect example of why you don’t have three ‘middle of the road’ journalists who really just sit there for a chat - not a debate.
Quote of the morning was from the property developer interviewed on “Inside Business”:
“You’ve got to be careful not to believe your own bullshit.”Poor Kevin Andrews, having to explain how the IR reforms are actually family-friendly. Barrie Cassidy demonstrated to Kerry O’Brien how to be healthily skeptical and not adopt a sneering tone.
The well-connected, fabulously-tanned dwarf revealed Peter Costello’s innermost thoughts.
Good chemistry with the team of Middleton, Price and Milne, although as Noelenenet points out Matt’s not the sharpest tool in the shed. Healthy abscence of both left and right-wing posturing. Akerman’s grotesque visage not missed, nor Marr’s superior airs.
#11- You should probably have watched that “Sunday” piece before trying to review it.
#27 slammer
I still don’t think it changes the point I made.Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 23 at 01:16 AM • permalinkI think today’s journo’s are the B team.
Nice to each other, no fireworks and I can’t take PD,I know Costello’s innermost thoughts, seriously post Latham diaries. His hair is looking good though.
Today the cetreleft of couch reminded me of a bunch of true believers who couldn’t rouse a decent protest between them. Like they know Howard will get his way with IR, Terrorism laws,advertizing budget, and they are tired of warning us ungrateful aspirational’s once more that the sky is falling.
I find it amusing that they always seem to find a citizen who is unhappy with Howard. With all the stuff happening in N.S.W. you would think that one person could be found to voice concerns about ............ everything really.
I only watch the show for the potential conflict; Marr/Bolt is best with a real issue to debate. Apart from that they (centerleft of couch) seemed more interested in trying to convince me that they are insiders and know stuff but come off looking like they are talking shit.
When that happens the best bit is when the centerleft of couch are going blah blah blah and the token rwdb sums up what will happen in relation to the subject and they just shut up followed by a moments silence, except of course if it’s Marr or Trioli then they have a spak attack. That didn’t happen today they just wanted some gossip about Costello’s thoughts. It show’s they haven’t got a clue.We’re all in for a treat this sunday night on the ABC!
ABC Compass have Borrowed the BBC manchester production
AN islamic History of Europe part 1
Here’s the Blurb
Reporter Rageh Omaar travels to Spain and Sicily to explore their forgotten medieval Muslim empires and their legacy today. In medieval times these were the most prosperous, enlightened and civilized parts of the world, where Muslims, Christians and Jews lived side by side in productive harmony ...
So Australians will be subjected to BBC propaganda too. Still we can be grateful we do not have to pay the BBC tax, which has resulted in some three hundred people being handed out Jail sentences in the UK for refusing to finance Islamist propaganda.Re: “Sunday” Programme; Saddam’s pilot, Ali Al-Wahabi, An objective interview. Clearly an Iraqi through & through, unable to stomach the un-iraqi direction Saddam was taking the country. A man of principle who hightailed it rather than compromise his conscience. His statement that Saddam should not be shot; Living will be worse punishment for Saddam, Nothing lower than one who has fallen from on high.
The “Mother Sheehan” piece: A fawning session broken by only the slightest token objectivity. Viewed in isolation, this piece would tell you that the American public is rising up as one against the war.
There were (unexplained) signs that the public may not be 100% behind the Sheehan roadshow:
A serviceman returned from Iraq turned up at camp Sheehan & explained what he felt was the “noble cause” americans were dying for in Iraq, interestingly the “journalist” did not explore with any of Sheehan mouthpieces the very valid issues raised by this trooper, (Sheehan’s slogan is “For what Noble Cause”.Families of KIA servicemen turned up at the Sheehan roadshow & demanded the removal of photographs of their loved ones from the Sheehan “not one more” photo board.
Two things shone through: Mother Sheehan was presented as sane, & the ozzi narrator spoke several times with American pronunciation, specifically “anti-war” was pronounced as “ant-eye-war” (Toni Collette, a job for you!)
Posted by Steve at the pub on 2005 10 23 at 06:46 AM • permalinkDoes anyone listen to resident ABC Lefty Terry Lane’s ‘In The Irrational’s Interest’?
This week he gave ACT’s honcho Stanhope a free run to say that he’d met with local Moslems who assured him that we would be much safer from terror if we just ‘took a good look at ourselves’ over support for Israel against ‘Palestine’, and also withdrew from Iraq.
Stanhope believes we should dump any ideas of M-E democracy and give in to the prejudices and blackmail of our ‘moderate’ Moslems who have the ‘answer’ to the spread of suicide bombing to our shores.
Lane also believes ‘It’s Iraq and Israel, stupid!’
He has a free ABC rein to spread his poisonous views and those of various crones every Sunday.#24 Marr seems as though he hasn’t got out much in his time. He has a very myopic North Shore GPS boy view of the world.
Yeah, It’s because he wasted many years writing two boring books on Patrick White.
Haven’t you noticed how these two lefties are never sent up for their backgrounds and accents, but Alexander Downer, a decent Adelaide Hills lad from a very decent family, is treated mercilessly.
No hypocrisy on the Left, of course!
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