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STATEMENT NOT VIEWED AS APOLOGY
The Australian’s Bill Leak:
Via walterplinge. February’s Motoon mayhem seems to have had a transformative effect on Bill. More on matters papal from Islamic Council of Victoria director Waleed Aly:
Let me get this straight. Pope Benedict XVI quotes the 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus asserting before a Persian Islamic scholar that the prophet Muhammad brought nothing new to the world except things “evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached”. Some Muslims clearly interpret Benedict to be quoting Manuel with approval, and take offence at the suggestion that Islam is inherently violent.
The response is to bomb five churches in the West Bank, and attack the door of another in Basra. In India, angry mobs burn effigies of Pope Benedict. In Somalia, Sheikh Abu Bakr Hassan Malin urges Muslims to “hunt down” the Pope and kill him, while an armed Iraqi group threatens to carry out attacks against Rome and the Vatican.
There. That’ll show them for calling us violent.
Meanwhile, at least one peaceful Islamic group isn’t convinced by the Vatican’s response:
“In Hamas we do not view the statement attributed to the Pope as an apology,” said Sami Abu Zuhri, spokesman for the militant group which controls the Palestinian government.
Hey, Sami? Once you’ve finished selecting candidates for next month’s suicide attacks, RebeccaH would like a word:
I’ve insulted Islam and Mohammed. Come and get me, jihadi trash.
UPDATE. The Archbishop of Athens and the Swiss Interior Minister support the Pope.
UPDATE II. Via LGF, take a look at these scenes outside Westminster Cathedral.
UPDATE III. Dinocrat surveys global views on terrorism and Islam. Are they somehow connected?
“In Hamas we do not view the statement attributed to the Pope as an apology,” said Sami Abu Zuhri, spokesman for the militant group which controls the Palestinian government.
That’s because it wasn’t. The pope clearly stated that he was sorry his words were misinterpreted and used as an excuse for violence. And we know what kind of “apology” that is.
By the way, Mohammed’s mother dressed him funny. There, come and get me, Muzzie killfreaks.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 09 17 at 11:30 PM • permalinkThe second part of the cartoon looks nearly correct but they forgot to put the planes in, trains being blown up, poster and flag burnings, cartoon burnings, women beatings, and the stone throwing at mecca, oh, and he needs a hairy back.
oh Waleed ali ali,,,,,, oh how good the power of it must be in Australia. Soory Mr Howard, the advisory group is an Islamic goon government in disguise.
You have to sympathise with Ali, trying to run PR for these guys. Only on Saturday, he was all over the Australian with the victim line - it’s the Backlash, stupid!Some suggestions for his next job:
Family Friendly Co-ordinator for the NRL
Health spokesman for Philip Morris
Parole lawyer for Charlie MansonI remember when a Fatwa used to mean something. Now they’re just like getting a Grammy.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 09 17 at 11:40 PM • permalinkI ain’t a Catholic but let me give the Islamofascists a warning myself.
God/Allah help you if one of you idiots does lay a finger on the Pope. There are just as many Catholics as Muslims and they’ve got a lot more firepower than you goats. You kill the Pope and it will be ON. And like you never imagined. If you idiots suddenly get smart you’ll be quieting this down real fast in case you have a “loose Cannon” out there who does get “lucky”.Posted by the nailgun on 2006 09 17 at 11:41 PM • permalinkMohammed isnt the prophet, hes just a very naughty boy!
Follow the holy sword!
No the Meteorite!Now wheres my FartWar?
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 09 17 at 11:51 PM • permalink“I wave my naughty bits in your Grandmother’s face, so-called Mohammad prophety type person. I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
You don’t frighten us, Muslim pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called “Mohommad,” you and all your silly el “Asqa Martyrs.” Now go away, or I’ll taunt you a second time.”http://catholiclondoner.blogspot.com/2006/09/very-rushed-post.htmlnull- Westminster Cathedral yesterday. Note some of the text on the signs - click on the photos for larger pics.
http://catholiclondoner.blogspot.com/2006/09/very-rushed-post.html
The above is the link to the protest outside Westminster Cathdedal.
Why do the poms put up with such trash?!?!?
Oh for crying out loud - can we just have another crusade and get on with it? If you want a fight, we’ll give you a fight.
Posted by mr creosote on 2006 09 18 at 01:48 AM • permalinkIts an interesting contrast between Angus Houston’s comments about a soldier pointing a gun at a man in a galabeyah that it is ‘important for our forces to be culturally sensitive’ and the swine out the front of Westminster Cathedral.
Funny also that in Australia, press is devoted to muslim women who say ‘people look at me in a funny way’. Imagine if Christians picketed Mosques in the fashion shown at the linked site.
#6 and #27 No! We are not going to get down to their level in the dirt! We are going to do this by exposing Islam the ideology. The more we get the public educated on what exactly is in those fucking scriptures, the better. Then we need to make it public and let them know that we know, and that it is not acceptable to the 21st century!
Claudia Rosett has a good summary too:
And the Offended Shall Inherit the Earth?
But I’m disappointed with Bill Leak because his cartoon’s not in colour.
Islamic hotheads have a short fuse and probably an even shorter attention span. In our civilised society we have a long fuse and a longer memory. This will blow up in Islams face because when the long fuse finally burns down to the point of detonation, no pleading by pitiful Muslims will be able to stop the eplosion of fierce rage and vengeance.
#28 Narn - I’m sorry education/understanding won’t work.
These people behead those who disagree with them or the slightest perceived criticism warrants efigy burning, jihad etc.You cannot deal with these lunatics. It doesn’t matter how much you or I know about them, it’s their closed minds that are incapable of rational thought that is the problem.
Trust me - this has to get nasty before it gets better. Certainly a lot of good Muslims will get caught up in this, but that is something the crazies have to consider. When Tehran is glowing in the dark, it is the final endgame of Muslim fanaticism.
Eventually, we will have to play by their rules and when we do…...
Bonmot, I think what Narn is saying is that even if push comes to shove, it would be better to lay the ground work and build a consensus by educating Mr and Mrs Joe Average about what is actually written in the Koran…
You will have a better chance of getting a majority of people, who then will have more staying power in difficult times, if the majority can find out for themselves a bit more about what’s actually in it..
29. Wand
Followed that link to another one. Anyone wanting a short course in madness could do worse than consult this “religous man”. An excerpt or 2 bellow.
http://english.bayynat.org.lb/Fatawa/s10p1.htm
This is doubly interesting if you think madinadinnerjacket of iran does consider himself the 12th iman.“We will confine the discussion to the defensive type of jihad (al jihad ad difa’ie), because the jihad in the way of Allah (al jihad al ibtida’ie) is not feasible before the re-appearance of the twelfth Imam (May Allah hasten his re-appearance).”
Looks a bit like “then all bets are off”
“171. No exceptions are such self-inflected inquiries as endangering one’s health by smoking. Among these too are those sustained for “religious reasons”, such as cutting one’s head with a sword or a machete, or causing bleeding in other parts of the body or burning them (self mutilation) in commemorating the anniversary of the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (a.s.).”And newspapers see fit to print endless streams about the fairly mild mortification practiced by an extremely small sect of Catholics??
Isnt this nice israel get a fartwar of its very own.
“187. The Zionist entity occupying Palestinian lands and territories in south Lebanon and Syria is an aggressor and a usurping one. It is, therefore, obligatory to wage war against it till the liberation of all the occupied lands. Also, it is not permissible to have a trade, make peace with that entity, or condone its occupation of Muslim lands. Furthermore, it is not permissible to have any sort of dealing with the Zionist entity.”
Looks like attacking in the name of defence is all good. So attacking israel is a religous duty.
“In truth, defense is the action taken to nip aggression in the bud. Just as the shari’a has ruled that one should not give in to the aggressor, so has it ruled that one should be prevented from initiating aggression and; it has made standing up to aggression obligatory”
Worth a read through, ive only scratched the surface of this madhouse escapees drivel.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 09 18 at 04:01 AM • permalinkWhere are Grant and Sherman when we need them? They were generals who understood that to end a war, you must end a peoples’ taste for war. The only way to do that is take all of the romance out of it and bring it home to all those who sit in their houses and express admiration for “martyrs” who blow up true innocents. It is time to understand that those people who sit in silence while their religion is used for torture and murder are guilty. Their silence and inaction strips them of any claim to innocence. If they are against what is being done in their name, let them stand up and say so. It is nothing more than wishful thinking to believe that we can somehow fight this—or indeed ANY—war in some pure manner. War is hell. The sooner these people understand that war is hell FOR THEM, the sooner it will end.
Nuke Iran. Then tell the rest that the next imam to issue a fatwa against the West and its citizens, the next suicide bomber, the next “insurgent” IED exploded, the next “militant” to behead any westerner, will be responsible for more of the same. Put an end to the slaughter. Put an end to the unnecessary loss of our own people, those in the military and those who try to do good in hellish places. Do not allow the evil to fester any longer. They long for a crusade? Give it to them. They crave the dark ages? Send them there. They love death? Accommodate them.
In the name of all that is good, and for the love of life on this earth, put an end to this needless slaughter.
I cannot take credit for this - attribution to mark of hunter valley over at Andrew Bolt’s. It’s about the most interesting post I’ve ever read.
“General Black Jack Pershing Was born Sep 13 1860 near Laclede, MS, he died Jul 15 1948 in Washington, D.C.
Highlights of his life include:
1891 Prof. of Military Science and Tactics Univer. Of Nebraska
1898 Serves in the Spanish-American War
1901 Awarded rank of Captain
1906 Promoted to rank of Brigadier General
1909 Military Governor of Moro Province, Philippines
1916 Promoted Major General
1919 Promoted to General of the Armies
1921 Appointed Chief of Staff
1924 Retired
Just before WW1 there was a number of terrorist attacks on the United States Forces in the Philippines by Muslim extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 terrorists and had them tied to posts for execution. He had his men bring in two pigs to slaughter in front of the now horrified terrorists. Muslims detest pork because they believe pigs are filthy animals. To them eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood etc is to be instantly barred from paradise ( and those Virgins) and doomed to hell. The soldiers soaked their bullets in the pigs blood and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers then dug a big hole and dumped the terrorists bodies in and covered them with the pig blood and carcasses. They let the 50th man go. And for the next 42 years there was not a single Muslim extremist attack anywhere in the world !!
Its worked once, why not again ?? Give me a command !!#34 It will almost certainly come to that given the nature of our enemy and their continual attacks against us, we westerners are far too indulgent and patient with these fascist thug regimes, but their is a saying,” beware the anger of a patient man”.We will have to fight them in the end they will see to that.
(OT), I think its realy cool that some of your software is in use on IDF subs, i once made waterproof insulation for 2000 Rafael sonobouys.
#3: “The second part of the cartoon looks nearly correct but they forgot to put the planes in, trains being blown up..”
Good point. The “backlash” won’t be directed against the Pope (those Swiss Guards may dress funny, but I’ve a feeling that they’re some mean hombres). Instead the Islamists will go for the softest targets they can find (public transport, churches, schools, etc).
And if that proves too tough, they’ll make do with killing a few of their fellow Muslims - so long as it can be spun to make the Pope look responsible, it’s just as good.memo to Islam: Piss off, Mo-hackies.
Posted by Crusader rabbit on 2006 09 18 at 05:11 AM • permalinkTo the hotheads we had Josef Stalin ask “The Pope? How many divisions has he got?” To paraphrase ‘Dirty’ Harry Callahan: I know what you’re thinking. “Does he have sixty divisions or only fifty?” Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as the world’s Catholic population grew by 9.47 million in 2003, reach a total of 1.07 billion, according to a report released by the Vatican on World Mission Sunday, the most powerful religion in the world, and would blow your religion clean off the planet, you’ve got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punks?
Posted by stackja1945 on 2006 09 18 at 05:21 AM • permalink#6, #27. Speaking as a catholic, he’s MY Pope, and I am tres pissed off at this carrying on by those members of the Religion of the Perpetually Offended.
I saw the photos of the “protest” outside Westminster Cathedral. I made sure I visited it when I was in London in 99, and I think the police should be doing a shitload more than handwringing over offended muslims.
They should be worrying about people like me. I’m not just a catholic, I’m a convert!
This means that I don’t come with all that inbred guilt that apparently gets drummed into you at catholic schools. I come with a payload of attitude, am I am so over these cowards who whinge en masse and demand apologies.
Well, guys, here’s your apology.
I’m sorry we have pandered to your whining and bullying ways over the last few decades.
I’m sorry that we haven’t treated you like responsible adults (okay, as a group, you don’t really act like adults, but you get what I mean.)
I’m sorry that we haven’t kicked your collective arses into the 20th century.
And in advance, I’m sorry to say that if you touch our Pope, you will find that christians will turn the other cheek only so far.
/mega pissed rant.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 09 18 at 06:03 AM • permalinkOops. PMIF. “am I am” should read “and I am”.
Bugger, and I’m sober, too.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 09 18 at 06:19 AM • permalink#39 Wally
Good point. The “backlash” won’t be directed against the Pope (those Swiss Guards may dress funny, but I’ve a feeling that they’re some mean hombres).
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of those guards at Buckingham Palace who are famous for not responding to anybody.
They wear these tall, weird, wooly hats (beefeaters?) that make them look funny, and I always thought they were a bit of a joke.
Then a mate of mine who lived in UK showed me some photos of them on parade. I’d never really noticed before, but each one of these silly-hat-guys is armed with a great big M-16 (or something…hey, I’m Aussie, I don’t know one end of a gun from another!)
After that, I had the distinct impression that anyone who seriously messed with Royal security would find these quaint, funny-dressed blokes weren’t so funny after all.
And getting your arse shot to pieces by a bloke in a dumb hat would be oh-so-humiliating. ;-)
#45 -They wear these tall, weird, wooly hats (beefeaters?
It’s a busby.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 09 18 at 07:20 AM • permalinkRead the whole list of comments and just wanted to say that, personally, I have no desire for any kind of Clash of Civilizations, and I don’t want to nuke Mecca or Tehran or anything like that.
Not when there are far simpler, non-violent ways to “win” this.
- Simply end the whole high-immigration/multi-culturalism polices, and do it tomorrow.
- Disengage and refuse to trade, or deal with in any way, with the more severest of these nations - ie. Iran.Benefits:
- Middle Eastern sheiks would be denied the ability to visit Western mosques to preach hate to young Western muslims.
- Western muslims would, at the stroke of a pen, lose any hope they have of demographically overwhelming Western nations.
- It would be fairly obvious that their only hope for a happier life would be to “get along” with the host community, instead of pissing everyone off.
- Corrupt M.E. regimes would not be able to rely on a never-ending stream of “reparations” from expats which allow them to stay fiscally afloat without making genuine economic reforms.
- Their burgeoning populations would be denied an “escape valve” to their West, and the governments desperately trying to find the money to provide them with services are so dependent on Western oil buyers that they will be in no position to restrict supply.
- Muslims who want democracy, freedom of speech, tolerance, womens’ rights, etc (and I’m sure (hopefully) there are many of them) would have to Fight-For-Democracy, rather than Flee-To-Demacracy. ie: by keeping the ‘moderates’ in their homelands, you are indirectly creating a potent force for “regime-change” that will be grass-roots, homegrown, etc.
- The fundamentalists in those countries would be so busy battling their own moderates on their home front, they might be distracted from expansionary dreams, and attacking the infidels.And the really cool parts:
- we don’t necessarily have to invade or bomb anyone.
- a shitload of innocent civilians (mostly muslim) won’t have to die.
- these policy changes are internal to Western countries, so we can tell the UN to keep its f—ckin nose out of truly domestic business.
- there’s no plausible way for lefties to complain that we’re ‘violating international law’ or ‘illegal occupiers’ blah, blah, blah.And the negatives:
- We’d have to deal with a higher oil price, which could lead to economic slow-down.To that, I say let’s suck it up, and deal with it. Call Iran’s bluff. There’s more important things long term than a temporary rise in the price of oil.
The Muslim terrorist ought to be fed to pigs. That might make them think twice.
Posted by Wylie Wilde on 2006 09 18 at 07:23 AM • permalink#36 Bonmot
The soldiers soaked their bullets in the pigs blood and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers then dug a big hole and dumped the terrorists bodies in and covered them with the pig blood and carcasses. They let the 50th man go.
Reminds me of that famous line by the Brit General in India who wiped out the whole “burning-the-wife-when-the husband-dies” thing, and told the locals “We will build a gallows next to your funeral pyre. You follow your custom, and then we shall follow ours.”
The Brits also apparently used such tactics in an 1857 Rebellion in India.
It’s been a long time since Manuel II, Emperor of Byzantium, has been in the news. One might say that his view of Mohammed is a bit extreme; but then, Manuel, as one of the last emperors of Byzantium, witnessed his empire’s lands and peoples being laid waste by the Turk, in the name of Islam. In May 1391, Manuel toured Byzantine lands that had experienced the tender mercies of the Religion of Peace, and wrote the following:
“The plain [where we are encamped] is deserted, as a result of the flight of its inhabitants to the woods and the caves and the mountain-tops as they tried to flee from what they are unable to escape: a slaughter that is inhuman and savage and without any formality of justice. No one is spared - neither women nor children, nor the sick, nor the aged ...
“There are many cities in these regions, but they lack the one thing without which they can never be true cities; they have no people ... And when I ask [the Turks] the names of the cities, the answer is always ‘we have destroyed these places and time has destroyed their names’ ...”
Quoted in volume 3 of Lord Norwich’s “History of Byzantium”, page 350.
Around the time that Manuel wrote, the Turks destroyed the Serbian nation at the Battle of Kosovo, at a place still called the Field of Blackbirds. That began the Balkans’ 500 years of dhimmitude, of excessive taxation and rapine by the Turks, of being used as a vast stud farm as their their most promising boys were kidnapped to become Janissaries, and their girls vanished into the harems of the Turks.
Manuel spent much of his reign traveling through western Europe, begging for help to stop the Turk. Then as now, Europeans promised much, delivered little. Constantinople fell in May 1453, and remains in the hands of the Turks to this day.
That is vision of radical Islam, its plan for the world. Our choice, frankly, is stark: western civilization or Islamic barbarism. As P. J. O’Rourke wrote, in a somewhat different context, “We are fools if we fail to defend civilization.” The world has never lacked for fools, just as it has never lacked for barbarians; it is up to us to ensure that between then, the fools and the barbarians do not bring us down.
Posted by Urbs in Horto on 2006 09 18 at 07:51 AM • permalinkMore evidence of Islamic moderation .
The truth, of course, is that these are people who will kill with or without provocation; our mere existence is a provocation. And if we decide that we have to be oh so careful in everything we say, and everything we do so as to avoid kicking over this nest of perpetually angry insects, then we are in a de facto state of dhimmitude already.
To hell with them and their prophet and their barbaric pretentions to the new caliphate.
I also love George Pell.
Pope has nothing to apologise for: Pell
The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney has backed the controversial speech Pope Benedict XVI made in Germany last week that linked Islam to violence.
The Pontiff has apologised saying he is deeply sorry about angering so many Muslims, and that the 14th Century passages that he referred to in no way reflect his views.
Some Muslim groups have accepted the apology.
Cardinal George Pell says the Pope did nothing wrong in making the speech.
“I think he’s trying to move the dialogue on a bit so that we can agree without resorting to the use of weapons,” he said.
“I think what he feared has been established and that is that if there is some sort of criticisms, even mild, there are elements among the Muslims who will resort to violence or threaten violence.”
Add to this, the late news headlines which brought this to my attention also said that Cardinal Pell believed that Australian muslim leaders should be doing more to encourage calm dialogue. (paraphrase).
Cue cries of racism in 3….2….1….
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 09 18 at 08:35 AM • permalink#36 Bonmot
Wretchard at Belmont did a great post on the Moro campaign (Asymetrical warfare in 1906) a while back. The American troops (irregulars might be a better word) managed to subdue a viscious opponent only being absolute SOBs themselves. A lesson that we perhaps should remember in some places today.
Wretchard recalls an incident in the area in the 1990s:
I was sitting with a well known Muslim warlord on the island of Basilan whose improbable first name was “Pershing”. I asked the warlord why his father should name him after General Blackjack Pershing, of all people, when Pershing was known to have crushed the Moros in the campaigns that Hurley described. The warlord turned to me and said, “my father wanted to name me after the greatest warrior he could think of. And that was Pershing.” Some things will never change; and one of those is that even in the sight of Allah there is no respect for the craven.
Only fools try to:
Negotiate with those that have demonstrated nothing but dishonor;
Reason with those who have shown themselves to be absolutely unreasonable;
Rationalize with those who are proven irrational;
Justify the continued existence of those who openly call for the death of all who are not themselves.It is true, there are no such thing as moderate muslims. Those who do not stand fully with us, stand fully against us. The same is true of the non-muslim world.
You’re welcome Paco, although the thanks should really go to Wretchard. I didn’t even know about that campaign, or I had forgotten it if I had heard of it, before I read his post.
The book he links to is also well worth a browse. Having been written in 1938 it’s refreshingly politically incorrect (it’s hard to see a modern writer using a sentence like “The year 1906 saw the extermination of the last of the hill chiefs.” without ironic intent) and details some more of the sorts of psychological warfare that Bonm0t referred to , e.g.
It was Colonel Alexander Rodgers of the 6th Cavalry who accomplished by taking advantage of religious prejudice what the bayonets and Krags had been unable to accomplish. Rodgers inaugurated a system of burying all dead juramentados in a common grave with the carcasses of slaughtered pigs.
If you follow Burbank’s link in #55, there’s some quite amusing bits in the comments section:
Paul Coyle: “The 9mm is really a short .38. Yup, that’s right, take your old street cop .38 and take some powder out of it. The 9 is a paper pushers gun. It’s for shooting women, children, Europeans and small dogs. Ditto the 5.56.”
;-)
#60: There’s an old movie I saw recently starring Gary Cooper, from sometime in the late 1930’s, I believe, which is a tribute to the Constabulary, and an interesting treatment of the wars against the Moros (unfortunately, I forgot the name of the film). In the movie, Cooper plays an army doctor who gets the idea of threatening to bury a captured Moro with a pig’s carcass. The guy has a full-scale panic attack, and his breakdown undermines the fear that the villagers had of the Moros up to that time. The movie also reflects the suicide tactics of the Moros, as they burst out of nowhere to assassinate one police commander after another.
Not sure if this has been linked, but here are some photos from Little Green Footballs of Muslims in London participating in a temperate dialog with non-muslims.
Nilknarf - what you said!! Only change “I’m sorry that we haven’t treated you like responsible adults…” to :
Im sorry that we have not treated you to the spanking that spoiled undisciplined rotten smelly nose-picking children often deserve when they refuse to accept no for an answer…
and its a perfect statement.
Hey, Muslims - Im calling your so-called moon-demon, Allah, a filthy stinking over-used madame of a whorehouse and the coldest level of hell where she resides a brothel. Allah is NOT God!
There. Come and get ME. Come and take it. Remember Goliad! Remember the Alamo!
Posted by Sharon_Ferguson on 2006 09 18 at 12:17 PM • permalinkThe Mooslims are revolting. Again. (Still.)
Walter, commenter at Catholic Londoner, says: Islam is not a religion. It is an ideology which promotes dominance over all people of the world. Quite.
And props to Andrew Robb, yet another plain-spoken member of the Howard government.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 09 18 at 12:19 PM • permalinkSo I guess we are all Swiss-Danish Papist Greek Orthodox Jew-loving German chancellors now.
Sounds like a plan.
And ironically (because irony is the operative word here) this latest Moutrage is like a mass exorcism: Pope says, demon what is your name? Demon comes out and responds. Me thinks, demon is about to go for a flying leap with the pigs.
Quoted in volume 3 of Lord Norwich’s “History of Byzantium”, page 350.
Ah. Thank you. This weekend I located my copy, but hadn’t taken the time to find the parts about Manuel; just checked the back of the book to see where he fell in the line of emperors. Now I don’t have to go through the whole book trying to find him.
Yah, he had reason to despise Islam. Hard to fault him for his opinion, and harder to dispute it.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 09 18 at 12:31 PM • permalink
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