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UK television presenter Terry Wogan asks:
Has anyone else noticed that since the predicted “scorching hot summer” has turned into a very damp squib, “global warming” has suddenly become “climate change”?
That transformation is more common than you’d think.
ENGLISH SOGGINESS UPDATE. Climate change? It’s a religion:
The floods that have devastated swathes of the country are God’s judgment on the immorality and greed of modern society, according to senior Church of England bishops.
One diocesan bishop has even claimed that laws that have undermined marriage, including the introduction of pro-gay legislation, have provoked God to act by sending the storms that have left thousands of people homeless.
I did make an assumption that Terry is a bloke there, can’t seem to find anything definitive on that site, (it makes a difference because of the difference between thermometers, you know, things shrinking in the cold where other things stick out).
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 07 02 at 05:20 AM • permalink“That transformation is more common than you’d think.”
Well, duh. Sadly certain shameless cretins keep disingenuously pretending that “global warming” is somehow disproved whenever it’s cold on a local scale.
Sure, we could repeatedly point out that “global warming” is to do with global average temperatures, and is bound, because of the way weather patterns work, to cause extremes of both hot and cold, wet and dry. But you would pretend not to get it.
“Climate change” is a less confusing way of describing the phenomenon to the wilfully blind.
MrLefty,
Firstly, following the latest scientific data available, I must confess, you are a dick head. First you tossers call the thing Global Warming. Then it gets colder, so you change the definition to meet the circumstances - Climate Change. What would happen if that somehow stopped too? Would you call it daytime / nightime because that’s a certainty to change? You guys are always changing your ideals to try and fit the circumstances.
Posted by Fast Eddie on 2007 07 02 at 06:34 AM • permalinkMr Bean,
Let me explain in terms that even an ambulance chaser can understand.
Feel free to ask any questions if there are any big scary words or concepts which your minute brain fails to comprehend.
A scientific theory is open to debate. An idea is a theory, as opposed to a law, because it does not explain all the natural phenomena to which it relates. Therefore, it is the burden of the proponents of the theory to prove it. It is not up to the sceptics to disprove it, other than to point out discrepencies between theory and actual events.
What is a good theory?
As Stephen Hawking says:-
“a theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model that contains only a few arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations”
Anthropogenic Climate Change theory does not even come close to explaining all the natural phenomenon to which it relates. Furthermore, it is not predictive. By its very own definition, it fails to predict natural phenomena.
So, not only is Anthropogenic Climate Change not a scientific law by which we can make accurate predictions, it’s not even a good theory. An 8th grade student would be given an F- if he submitted a science paper which made predictions and arguments as lazy as those made by proponents of Anthropogenic Climate Change theory.
Here endeth the lesson.
Now go and sue McDonalds or something…
55 degrees while I waited for the ferry this morning. Cold as hell.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2007 07 02 at 06:45 AM • permalinkDuuuuuuuhhhhhh…duuuuhhh…so because the climate changes…duuuuuhhhh…I need the smart peeple to… duuuuuhh where was I?
Posted by dean martin on 2007 07 02 at 06:45 AM • permalinkLook, if this Global Warming thing fails as a scare tactic there is always the Y2008K bug that has slipped under the radar.
Apparently all the new Iphones are rigged to destroy the intelligence of Hilary Clinton voters. This in turn will destroy the intelligence of the world. Hence Armageddon.
You know this makes sense.
I’m Gubbaboy.
Further to that, let’s compare and contrast Karl Popper’s criteria for good scientific theory to the characteristics Anthropogenic Climate Change:-
It is easy to obtain confirmations, or verifications, for nearly every theory — if we look for confirmations.
Confirmations should count only if they are the result of risky predictions; that is to say, if, unenlightened by the theory in question, we should have expected an event which was incompatible with the theory — an event which would have refuted the theory.
Bzzz. ACC has not predicted anything which has not been previously observed or explained by other Climate related theories.
Every “good” scientific theory is a prohibition: it forbids certain things to happen. The more a theory forbids, the better it is.
Bzzz. ACC says that anything can happen.
A theory which is not refutable by any conceivable event is non-scientific. Irrefutability is not a virtue of a theory (as people often think) but a vice.
Every genuine test of a theory is an attempt to falsify it, or to refute it. Testability is falsifiability; but there are degrees of testability: some theories are more testable, more exposed to refutation, than others; they take, as it were, greater risks.
Confirming evidence should not count except when it is the result of a genuine test of the theory; and this means that it can be presented as a serious but unsuccessful attempt to falsify the theory. (I now speak in such cases of “corroborating evidence.”)
Some genuinely testable theories, when found to be false, are still upheld by their admirers — for example by introducing ad hoc some auxiliary assumption, or by reinterpreting the theory ad hoc in such a way that it escapes refutation. Such a procedure is always possible, but it rescues the theory from refutation only at the price of destroying, or at least lowering, its scientific status. (I later describe such a rescuing operation as a “conventionalist twist” or a “conventionalist stratagem”).
One can sum up all this by saying that the criterion of the scientific status of a theory is its falsifiability, or refutability, or testability.Hence the metamorphosis of AGW to ACC when the climate does not reflect the predictions made by AGW.
#5 Hello MrLefty. How mind-sodomizingly anodyne of you. I seem to recall that scientific pasting you got from several of our better educated commentators, evidently you forgotten? You chicken-little doomsdayers are a dime a dozen and your wholesale acceptance of this BS is idiotic on a grandiose scale. Obviously you’ve been a tad lonely. Missed the abuse, eh? I really like the tab you’re keeping at your blog. Hoping to get a few hits from the Blair crew today? Well, good luck with that.
BTW, what happened to the cat pics?Oh, as to “climate change”. First, we call that goalpost moving. Second, don’t know about you, but here in the upper South of the U.S., the “climate change”s, everyday.
One day it is hot, one day it is raining, another day it is breezy, another day it is cooler, another day, it is cold and at times, all of these.
I’ve developed a theory called Autistic Fascist Syndrome. It describes people like MrLefty who want the universe to revolve around them, will attempt to employ the power of the state to do so and run around screaming, waving their arms about and hyperventilating if their concept of the universe is strongly challenged. Think of a combination of Mussolini and Rain Man.
Cretins like Mr. lefty, who assure us that AGW is happening, despite the pesky persistent failure of the climate to actually warm, remind me of Rex Mottram, the boorish businessman in Evelyn Waugh’s Brideshead Revisited. Trying to get his feeble wits around the concept of Papal infallibility, he is asked a trick question by his instructing priest: “If the Pope says it’s raining, but it isn’t, is he wrong?” Mottram knits his brows and finally answers “I guess it would be raining in a spiritual sense”.
Ahhh. Meeja Watch is on.. be afraid….
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 02 at 07:22 AM • permalinkWell, that’s 15 minutes I won’t be getting back. No apologies to Tim, of course.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 02 at 07:35 AM • permalink#5, So, Jeremy, even if average temperatures are getting warmer (even that’s debatable), how do you propose to prove that man-made carbon emissions are behind the increase? Can you conclusively prove that these changes are not caused by the Sun? Can you guarantee for us that man-made carbon emissions are responsible, as opposed to those of rotting vegetation, volcanoes, or the oceans, each of which contributes more CO2 to the atmosphere than all the factories, cars, power plants, and discount airfares combined?
We’re waiting…
Posted by HisHineness on 2007 07 02 at 07:36 AM • permalinkIt’s been very cold here in Darwin.
What, down to 28 degrees?
Posted by walterplinge on 2007 07 02 at 07:37 AM • permalink(Waiting patiently for Lionel Hutz, unable to answer the questions directly, to come back and tell us that we need to believe in climate change because the scientific consensus (may it live forever) tells us it’s true…)
Posted by HisHineness on 2007 07 02 at 07:44 AM • permalinkDoes anyone else here watch the strangely addictive Eurovision song contest, just for Terry Wogan’s comments about the odd singers, funny clothes, wierd songs and strange voting?
He’s a funny bloke
However I may be mixing him up with someone else funny but I think it’s Terry who does all the funny commments
And stuff Media Watch, the Concert for Diana is on Ch9 and I just saw Status Quo aged but still good
Did anyone here in OZ stay up all night to watch it on Fox8?
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 02 at 07:45 AM • permalinkAhhhh! But you’ve got to ask the gotcha! question of the AGW fundamentalists:
“What is the root cause of this “Climate Change” phenomenon you are championing?”
The true believers will have to say: “It’s caused by Global Warming!”
None of them will say anything else, like “Global Cooling”, because it doesn’t fit in with their innate hatred of civilised society.
“Climate Change” is just code for “Global Warming”, and avoids the embarrassment of having to deal with inconvenient truths like drought-breaking floods, unusually cold weather, statistically low hurricane seasons, inert sea levels, and all of the other items of hilarity that have plagued the Global Warming faithful.
Fucking idiots. Why are envirotards like Lefty so scientifically illiterate? I place the blame squarely upon our educational institutions.
Hey, is it just a bad camera angle or did some bastard move the Pasha bulker?
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 07 02 at 07:51 AM • permalinkOn the topic of what it is the idiot AGW fanatics work so hard to deny themselves, the threat of global islamic jihad:
My plea to fellow Muslims:...#36 Texas Bob
Mmm - not sure what you mean there! But no I’m not sure it’s called anything other than Fox8
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 02 at 08:04 AM • permalink#42 It was a top website, kae, and I’m not sure how to fill the void - thank God for Larvatus Prodeo.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 07 02 at 08:04 AM • permalinkI had squib in a Japanese-Korean restaurant just on Saturday. I hope
global warmingclimate change doesn’t make them go extinct.Posted by andycanuck on 2007 07 02 at 08:10 AM • permalink#51 Texas Bob
Thanks Texas Bob but I’m a movie ignoramus, so any movie joke is lost on me - as I don’t go to the movies and at home I’m a sports couch potato - footy, cricket, motor sports - cars and bikes, anything that moves in a sporting contest really
Now I’ll have to go look up the movie you talk about!
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 02 at 08:24 AM • permalinkAnd it was damp, too, Texas Bob, just like good squib should be.
And re. the “Pasha Bulker pulled free from beach”, the Pasha Bulker was married to Barbra Streisand? Still, I’m glad he got the divorce papers finalized. But I thought Muslim men just had to say
“there’s no place like home”“I divorce you” three times while spinning around, or something, to divorce a wife. Oh well, live and learn.Posted by andycanuck on 2007 07 02 at 08:26 AM • permalink#54 Texas Bob
Thanks! I’ll have to watch it now
BTW Are you in Texas?
I’ll be in Texas in 4 weeks - down near Houston, in Winnie
- and I’m looking forward to being warm - I’m getting rather sick of wearing bedsocksPosted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 02 at 08:34 AM • permalink#60 Texas Bob
I’m looking forward to my little holiday in Texas - only 5 days, but 5 days of hot weather will keep me going till we get summer again, and yes I’ll say hello to Houston for you
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 02 at 08:46 AM • permalink#13 gubbaboy
there is always the Y2008K bug
And only 2005993 years in which to fix it…
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 02 at 08:48 AM • permalink#5 MrLefty. Was that a drive-by trolling? Thank God I was out eating whale sushi. (Oh, and having a few drinks, so start ignoring my posts in 3… 2… 1… now)
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 02 at 08:51 AM • permalink#51,53 & 54. I loooove Dodgeball. It’s one of the few grown up movies I let my daughter watch. I’m in fits all the way through.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 07 02 at 09:25 AM • permalink#66 It’s not the size etc etc
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 02 at 09:26 AM • permalink#5
“Well, duh. Sadly certain shameless cretins keep disingenuously pretending that “global warming” is somehow disproved whenever it’s cold on a local scale. “
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr no. Certain shameless cretins keep disingenuously pretending that “global warming” is somehow proved when it’s hot on a local scale. That would be the whole point of this discussion. Please at least attempt to keep up.
Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 07 02 at 09:31 AM • permalinkI love how the left defend their changes in terminiology, but won’t address the basic tenets of these theories they espouse. Makes me wonder if there is anything to defend in the first place.
Anywho, I ain’t popping over to Jeremy’s web site. I’m not cranking up his sitemete, no sir!
BTW, murph, that’s an excellent summary, but I think you’ve just insulted ambulance chasers every where.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 02 at 09:35 AM • permalink#31:
Weird thing is, he works for the BBC. He’s like Jeremy Clarkson; if he wasn’t do popular they’d have sacked him long ago.
Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 07 02 at 09:35 AM • permalinkBTW, I’m sure that airframer will really appreciate this thread, as Jeremy in simply the last word in all things mind-sodomisingly anodyne.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 02 at 09:40 AM • permalink#67 Nilkarf Arbed
Now I will get this movie with your recommendation - I missed it when it came out - obviously I was watching the footy and cricket at the time so no time for movies
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 02 at 09:49 AM • permalink#72 ThinandBritish
Thanks for the info - if Terry gets the boot I won’t watch Eurovision ever again! His comments are priceless
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 02 at 09:51 AM • permalinkClimate change will ‘change army’s duties’ (selected extracts):
THE Australian military will be called on to assist in more disaster and relief missions at home and abroad because of climate change, a policy body has said.
At home, soldiers would need to respond to extreme weather such as cyclones, flooding and bushfires.
“There is likely to be increased illegal fishing in Australian waters as climate change exacerbates the impacts of over-fishing in regional fisheries.”Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 02 at 10:35 AM • permalinkTurn the fan off in Darwin! Are you crazy Janice?
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 07 02 at 10:41 AM • permalinkThe one good thing I hope will come out of this is the complete losds of credibility of greenpeace, Sierra Foundation, WWF, etc. and Susuki and Gore and Flannery will be laughed off the stage and all the windmills will be left to rust.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 07 02 at 10:47 AM • permalinkWhy are we bothering about a puny 0.6C over 150 years?
Here in Ottawa, the temeprature changes 65C every six months.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 07 02 at 10:48 AM • permalink#79 Not wishing to be a smart arse, but it’s Suzuki (don’t worry, we all have these mind-sodomising moments).
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 07 02 at 10:57 AM • permalink#81 phil_b
Yes the only reason I love watching Eurovision - Terry Wogan’s commentary
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 02 at 11:01 AM • permalinkScience is done using precise terminology and clear (as it can be) lines of cause and effect.
E=MC2.
Not some of that might mean between .06 and 6 degrees of something else.If science has degenerated to the point that even the specialist terminology is being used imprecisely then we are a long way from settling any consensus.
Science means measuring and stating what IS going on, not modeling to achieve a politically desirable outcome.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 07 02 at 11:05 AM • permalinkI’d mock Mr Lefty but others have done much finer work than I could have done.
Except to point out that “Global Warming” isn’t that global. Down there in the soft South, it hasn’t warmed significantly at all, and the bulk of Antarctica has cooled over the past 50-60 years at least.
The Northern Hemisphere generally has warmed but not by much and well within the normal variation of climate.
And typical of the deceptive horseshit that gets published in the media is this article on water availability from today’s SMH. Its tone is all doom, gloom and catastrophe. However, if you read it carefully, you will find that all Australian households (combined) use less than half of one percent of the water available.
#86 david
Thanks I’ll check out Al-t’s!
And why Winnie? Well it’s home to a friend who lives in a little community a few kms out of there - Winnie is the closest town
And it’s time for a visit to get a few days of summer
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 02 at 11:16 AM • permalinkThe essence of science is falsification, more or less “OK, if this theory was wrong, what would be different?”
The “denialist” meme is profoundly antiscientific. Its very existence proves that the people promoting it are not scientists, and would need ‘way more makeup than is practical to play scientists on TV.
Regards,
RicThe floods that have devastated swathes of the country are God’s judgment on the immorality and greed of modern society, according to senior Church of England bishops.
Mm hmm. And I suppose God makes dandelions and grass grow in my flowerbeds because I don’t go to church on Sunday. Makes as much sense.
#91, 92:
You’re fucked. The number of immoral things I’ve done in the last 5 years will be enough to destroy ten planets. Into your cellars now, please.
Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 07 02 at 11:59 AM • permalink“The bishop, who is a leading evangelical, said that people should heed the stories of the Bible, which described the downfall of the Roman empire as a result of its immorality.”
Huh? The Bible was written before the fall of the Roman Empire. Christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire from the time of Constantine.
So what do you suppose the dinosaurs did to piss off the big guy?
Posted by Shaky Barnes on 2007 07 02 at 04:02 PM • permalinkThe floods that have devastated swathes of the country are God’s judgment on the immorality and greed of modern society, according to senior Church of England bishops.
One diocesan bishop has even claimed that laws that have undermined marriage, including the introduction of pro-gay legislation, have provoked God to act by sending the storms that have left thousands of people homeless.
Ah yes! No doubt these holy men are right as without doubt they are the chosen few who have a direct line to God, like this man.
But never mind, all is not lost. we can all be saved by the Son of God.
Has anyone else noticed that since the predicted “scorching hot summer” has turned into a very damp squib, “global warming” has suddenly become “climate change”?
Silly Muggles, even Squibs know it’s because the Dementors are breeding.
.....oh, sorry. Too much Harry Potter on the brain from reading book 6 while waiting for movie 5 and book 7. I’ll shut up now.
#80
Consider how much energy went into that 0.6 degree C rise in average global tempetarture. It’s not just a simple rise in temperature, it’s an increase in the energy that stays in the system. With more energy things get livelier.
BTW, if it’s for sale in your area, pick up a copy of the July Analog. The editorial is on adapting to climate change, and Dr. Schmitz has a few things to say about reducing our carbon footprint.
Posted by mythusmage on 2007 07 03 at 03:33 AM • permalink“So what do you suppose the dinosaurs did to piss off the big guy?”
Good question. If I knew the answer, I’d make sure not to do whatever it is the dinosaurs did.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 07 03 at 12:50 PM • permalink“Sadly certain shameless cretins keep disingenuously pretending that “global warming” is somehow disproved whenever it’s cold on a local scale.”
If it cooled off on a Global scale it still wouldn’t disprove the theory (which is is that human activity is causing atmospheric temperatures to rise). But, I doubt if a halfwit like you would understand why.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 07 03 at 12:55 PM • permalink
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