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Global warming concernists John McCain and Hillary Clinton tour the molten north:

[Clinton] said that flying over the Yukon she saw forests decimated by spruce bark beetles - believed to be growing at an unprecedented rate because of warmer weather.

She was also struck by what she heard from a 93-year-old woman she met at a fish camp at Whitehorse, Yukon.

The woman told her she had been fishing there all her life but that lately the fish had strange bumps on them.

Lump fish! Caused by the deadly warming, no doubt. Meanwhile, in Kyoto-screwed New Zealand:

The review of the Kyoto Protocol needs to be considered in the context of the promises on taxation being made by the main political parties, the Employers & Manufacturers Association (Northern) says.

Government has acknowledged the costs of Kyoto are much greater than Climate Change Minister Hodgson first thought, said Alasdair Thompson, EMA’s chief executive ...

“Authoritative researchers BERL and Castalia have said up to $14 billion should be allowed to cover our obligations under Kyoto.

“That’s well over 10 per cent of New Zealand’s total GDP that could end up being spent paying Russia for carbon credits.”

So if sending money to Russia will solve global warming ... maybe sending skateboards to Portugal will fix global poverty! It’s worth a try! Another NZ business group is similarly dismissive of Kyoto’s benefits:

Signing up to the Kyoto protocol was based on wrong maths and our membership must be revisited by any incoming government, the New Zealand Chambers of Commerce and Industry says.

In its election-year address, the chamber, which represents 22,000 businesses in 31 areas, said it was now clear the calculations behind entry to the protocol were wrong.

Noting the protocol was backed by both National and Labour, the chamber said it wanted answers to how the mistakes in calculations were made and whether officials or ministers were being held to account.

Who cares? Russia will get New Zealand’s money; therefore everything is going to plan. If you wish to assist, buy a Green car.

Posted by Tim B. on 08/22/2005 at 11:33 AM
  1. She was also struck by what she heard from a 93-year-old woman she met at a fish camp at Whitehorse, Yukon.

    Well, if you can’t base national policy on anecdotal evidence from a 93-year-old, what can you base it on?

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 08 22 at 12:41 PM • permalink

  2. I believe the fish are getting lumps from colliding with all those dead spruce trees that fall into the river.

    Posted by paco on 2005 08 22 at 12:48 PM • permalink

  3. The smog which almost annually blankets south Asia, making the air nearly unbreathable in cities like Kuala Lumpur, comes from slash-and-burn land clearing in Indonesia.

    Indonesia, of course, has signed the Kyoto accord.

    Posted by Scott Ferguson on 2005 08 22 at 12:59 PM • permalink

  4. maybe sending skateboards to Portugal will fix global poverty! It’s worth a try!

    In the immortal words of Bob Geldof, “We have to do something, even if it doesn’t work.”

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 08 22 at 01:21 PM • permalink

  5. Skateboards to Portugal.  Hmm Does that mean that “Coals to Newcastle” are back in play? Or maybe not.

    Fish camp at Whitehorse!?  Whitehorse is a city.  There is a small lake near there where the bush pilots train for takeoffs on small water.  Maybe the pontoons hit a few fish.  What fish camps?

    I havn’t been in Whitehorse in decade so maybe things have changed but..

    Posted by yojimbo on 2005 08 22 at 01:22 PM • permalink

  6. Yeah, yeah - the permafrost is melting in some spots too. FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD! We’re all gonna DIE!!

    Not me, though. I’m adaptable.

    Adapt or die - not just a good idea, IT’S THE LAW!

    Posted by mojo on 2005 08 22 at 02:09 PM • permalink

  7. I dream of the headline HILLARY CLINTON EATEN BY POLAR BEAR.

    Posted by Latino on 2005 08 22 at 02:32 PM • permalink

  8. Fish-lumps fried in butter with garlic and a little lemon…yum!

    Posted by ErnieG on 2005 08 22 at 03:55 PM • permalink

  9. “Dave S.:”

    “Well, if you can’t base national policy on anecdotal evidence from a 93-year-old, what can you base it on?”

    How about the demented ravings of Cindy Sheehan?

    Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2005 08 22 at 04:56 PM • permalink

  10. Because they were squirrels; real squirrels. And there were thousands.  This isn’t some kind of metaphor, Goddamn, this is real!

    Posted by jic on 2005 08 22 at 05:00 PM • permalink

  11. “In the immortal words of Bob Geldof, “We have to do something, even if it doesn’t work.””

    perhaps you could try making some decent music…...just a thought saint bob.

    Posted by vinny on 2005 08 22 at 06:02 PM • permalink

  12. “You just keep saying something no matter how untrue and unfactual it might be, over and over and over again, and try to drive the politics to meet your ideological or commercial agenda,” she said. “That is a grave disservice to our country.”

    Do tell, Mrs. Clinton.  Perhaps you should have a word with some of your colleagues about that.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 08 22 at 06:36 PM • permalink

  13. The Kyoto Treaty is just one arm of the global Russian Mafia.
    It’s on the same level as prostitution rings, cyber crime, drugs; but it’s much easier and pays better.

    Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2005 08 22 at 06:38 PM • permalink

  14. How big does a cock-up have to be before there’s a real reckoning? $14 Billion from New Zealand?

    They should refuse to pay the money and buy themselves a new Education System. One that teaches basic addition, subtraction and multiplication.

    How many other countries have been sucked in by the Kyoto Caper? Did i hear that Canada are next in line?

    Posted by Mick Gill on 2005 08 22 at 07:01 PM • permalink

  15. Let’s not forget that the Russians, as masters of brinkmanship, gave free play to their top scientists to say, loudly, that Kyoto was a load of bunk, right up to the point where it became clear they were going to get everything they wanted, then they signed.  What chance did New Zealand have against a nation of chess players?

    Posted by cuckoo on 2005 08 22 at 07:01 PM • permalink

  16. OT
    Piece in Australian today with another Muslim leader, Hajji Abdul Rahman Deen - or Ray Deen, as he is known in Queensland, being taken out of context:

    The notion that only people on the far fringe of the Muslim community hold extreme ideas unravelled yesterday when one of the people invited to Howard’s summit was accused of saying he believed Jews had prior knowledge of the September 11 terrorist attacks. Hajji Abdul Rahman Deen - or Ray Deen, as he is known in Queensland where he runs a huge and successful demolition company - had been quoted previously as saying there was no evidence that bin Laden was responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington that killed more than 3000 people. He has also asked: “Why did 4000Jews stay home from work that day?” Deen yesterday said those statements had been taken out of context and were not views he held.

    However, maybe there is hope with this:

    MOHAMMED Taha Alsalami will arrive in Canberra today with a simple message for Prime Minister John Howard: Australia has a “real problem with extremists” and urgent action is needed to stop an explosion of violence.

    On the eve of Howard’s terrorism summit, Alsalami, chairman of the Iraqi Muslim Council, says he has no wish to be a martyr. “But I believe I do have a duty to speak out, to tell the Australian Government in particular: ‘You’ve got a real problem here and something needs to be done,”’ he says.


    Unless he’s lying dissembling…

    Posted by kae on 2005 08 22 at 07:51 PM • permalink

  17. #16 Laughs to be had last night, listening to ABC tv news whining that Howard was not inviting enough “women and young people” to his Islam summit.  Then ABC radio this morning whining that he is making a mistake by excluding ‘extremist’ Imams: yeah, the same mistake you make by not inviting the local neo-nazis to celebrate shabat with you.  You’re marginalizing them, you’re driving them underground!  By all means drive them underground…about six feet should do it.

    Posted by cuckoo on 2005 08 22 at 09:01 PM • permalink

  18. Cuckoo

    Sometimes I wonder if I should just not listen to ABC (but the alternatives, particularly while commuting almost 3 hours a day, are dreadful!)

    I do spend a LOT of time shouting at idiots on the radio…
    the idiots who were whining about the new detention centres (like motel rooms) saying they are just awful for the male detainees, just one room with all mod cons (poor bastards);
    the idiots like Media Watch defending hate-speech (ooooh-aaah, taken out of context, again) - arrgh.

    How do these people become so dense? Is it genetic? Is it nurture? Is it taught? I am beginning to “believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see”!

    I used to think that we’d be safe from half-baked Arab ideas due to their very own tribalism - they couldn’t get together to organise a, well, to coin the vernacular, a root in a brothel with a fist full of fivers. (They were too busy fighting each other.) But now….

    Posted by kae on 2005 08 22 at 09:19 PM • permalink

  19. but that lately the fish had strange bumps on them

    I love it.  It’s got all the hallmarks of medieval superstition.  It won’t be long until we’re told that lunar eclipses are the result of Bush eating the moon.

    Posted by murph on 2005 08 22 at 10:50 PM • permalink

  20. It won’t be long until we’re told that lunar eclipses are the result of Bush eating the moon.

    That reminds me of an oldIowahawk post…

    Posted by jic on 2005 08 22 at 11:14 PM • permalink

  21. Hmmm, it was OK in preview…

    Posted by jic on 2005 08 22 at 11:16 PM • permalink

  22. Right now, I’m more worried about bird flu.

    Posted by bongoman on 2005 08 22 at 11:24 PM • permalink

  23. I love it.  It’s got all the hallmarks of medieval superstition.

    Then if President Bush floats, he’s a —

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 22 at 11:58 PM • permalink

  24. A WITCH! A WITCH!

    And what do we do with witches?

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 08 23 at 12:31 AM • permalink

  25. Turn them into a newt!!

    No, wait, that doesn’t sound right….

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 23 at 12:59 AM • permalink

  26. Um. Did anyone check the sex of the fish? Were the lumps on the top or the bottom?

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 08 23 at 01:19 AM • permalink

  27. I notice she went to a remote spot in a foreign country to examine fish. Checking out how healthy the fish are in the Hudson River might not play well politically.

    Posted by maor on 2005 08 23 at 03:53 AM • permalink

  28. BUSH TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!!!...I got better…

    Posted by murph on 2005 08 23 at 03:56 AM • permalink

  29. Skateboards to Portugal? Why? The roads here are so bad all the teenagers will kill themselves…..ah, right, got it.

    Posted by timworstall on 2005 08 23 at 06:16 AM • permalink

  30. Kerry is a toad and the abc used to be called toad hall I believe.
    He showcased a young muslim girl on 7.30 tonight and got her agreeing with him that it’s all our fault and our problem.It’s also our fault that people who are not allowed to shake hands with a non muslim are “alienated from society and isolated from other australians.They are choosing to isolate themselves.Why is there no mention on the t.v. newses about Habib being attacked according to him and his wife.

    Posted by crash on 2005 08 23 at 08:16 AM • permalink

  31. Kyoto is just the time-honored tradition of separating clueless lefties from their money, writ large.

    Posted by PW on 2005 08 23 at 10:53 AM • permalink

  32. “... the chamber said it wanted answers to how the mistakes in calculations were made and…”

    “We were supposed to do calculations?  But that nice young er, man, in the birkestocks told us it was true!”

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 23 at 10:57 AM • permalink

  33. jic: Will we be lucky if you don’t bust out cryin’?

    Posted by Sigivald on 2005 08 23 at 01:53 PM • permalink

  34. “I love it.  It’s got all the hallmarks of medieval superstition.”

    In 2002 I think it was, there were devastating floods in Germany.  The Germans blamed them on Bush.  Evidentally the “most educated society” on Earth (at least it used to be) has many members who believe that the President of the USA can control the weather.  The miasma of medieval superstition seems to be spreading from the Arab world and from the environmentalists outwards.

    I commented at the time that if the President did control the weather, then the least the Euros could do was to offer maiden sacrifice (or reasonable facsimiles of maidens) to propitiate the weather controller.  Since Bush has Laura, and as a devout Christian could not be expected to service the sacrificial maidens in defiance of his marriage vows, I would offer selflessly to step in to take his place.

    Darn Euros never did cough up the maidens.  See what they get next year…

    Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 08 23 at 04:48 PM • permalink

  35. “Evidentally the ‘most educated society’ on Earth (at least it used to be) has many members who believe that the President of the USA can control the weather.”

    And we all used to think it was those dad-blamed Russians with their Sputniks…

    Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2005 08 23 at 06:08 PM • permalink

  36. Sigivald, my prayer to god has been answered.  It’s a shame they didn’t use a Rambler for the picture, isn’t it?

    Posted by jic on 2005 08 23 at 06:58 PM • permalink

  37. I won’t hear a bad word said about that man…John, not Hilary ;-)

    Posted by Brian on 2005 08 24 at 12:07 AM • permalink

  38. In what, might I ask, was Hillary flying? Because if it wasn’t an electric jet, if it did in fact burn fuel and contribute to “global warming”, it strikes me that she might be a little, uh, hypocritical.

    Posted by Lizzie on 2005 08 24 at 01:48 AM • permalink

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