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Artists are stupid:
[Priscilla] Bracks told The Daily Telegraph her double portrait was not meant to compare Jesus with bin Laden, but was a commentary on the way the terror leader was treated in the media. She was concerned bin Laden would be unintentionally glorified in years to come.
Describing him as a “common criminal”, Ms Bracks made the bizarre assertion bin Laden - whose whereabouts are unknown - should be extradited and put on trial.
You mean someone can be extradited from hell?
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 08 29 at 09:55 PM • permalinkI think she wants him to be scraped from his cave wall and put in a smallish jar and shipped out.
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 08 29 at 10:00 PM • permalinkMr Pattenden said he did not expect controversy to result from the exhibition “because the Christian community doesn’t look at art a great deal”.
And the Christian community should turn the cheek and thank Rev. Pattenden for that bit of snide bigotry.
Go ahead and extradite Osama. Don’t forget to bring a shovel.
So next year they’ll be willing to display a painting of Mohamed having sex with a goat? Or a 9-year-old girl? It’s only provocative, right?
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 08 29 at 10:03 PM • permalinkWe’re trying to extradite him, honey! Do you know how hard it is to find a bailiff with a dust buster in the Hindu Kush?
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 29 at 10:04 PM • permalink“because the Christian community doesn’t look at art a great deal”.
Yeah, most churches look like bomb shelters and those stained glass windows are for UV protection. It’s symptomatic of Australia’s skills crisis that we have to employ church ministers that don’t believe in God.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 29 at 10:12 PM • permalinkOK, i’m trying to get my head around this one. To our brothers from the desert, putting Mary in a burqha is ok, because she is a prophet within Islam and anyway, she’s a woman and this is how all muslim women should dress, ipso facto, she has suddenly become a muslim woman and property of Islam.
The fact that this may be offensive to Christians is inconsequential as in ‘rock scissors paper’, what Islam feels trumps any other facts that get in the way such that Mary herself was Jewish or that she is a Christian deity.
So, what if another artist paints a picture of Christ with Mohammad’s face? Is that ok, as both Mohammad and Christ are prophets within Islam?
Another Bracks? Who opened the Plague Box upstairs?
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 08 29 at 10:40 PM • permalinkOh, boy. You hit one of my hot buttons.
It’s not just Christians, but MOST PEOPLE “don’t look at art a great deal” (Or listen to modernist music), BECAUSE IT’S PRETENTIOUS CRAP.
Most “artists” and “composers” today are talentless charlatains who have no knowledge of tradition, no technical mastery, and no coherent vision. And, did I mention, THEY ARE TALENTLESS HACKS!
This is what you get with post-modernist thinking. All of Western culture and tradition is flushed down the crapper, and anything that IS traditional and DOES advance the thread of Western artistic culture is snidely dismissed as “derivative.” AS IF every artist and musician in Western cultural history WASN’T derivitive of the predecessors whom they built their work upon the shoulders of.
OK, I’m done now. You can return to your regularly scheduled programming.
Yeah, I’ve noticed for some time now how the media’s treatment of Jesus unintentionally glorifies Him. It’s an apt comparison. Idiot.
You don’t have to be stupid to be an artist—or an actor or writer or musician—but there’s much evidence to suggest it helps. Poor Ms. Bracks is still stuck at square one. Extraditing bin Laden and putting him on trial (in international court, of course) was what her crowd lobbied for in the immediate aftermath of 9-11.
He said the Virgin statue embodied “iconic representations of two different religious traditions”. “He (Sullivan) is making a comment about gender in a religion dominated by men,” Mr Pattenden said.
I wonder what comment he was making about which traditions of what religion. Is he suggesting, perhaps, that not allowing women to be Catholic priests reduces them to second class status as symbolized by the wearing of the burka? Seems more a slam of Islam. How courageous.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 08 29 at 11:26 PM • permalinkI don’t know art, but I can spot a fuckwit at 40 paces through a pea soup fog.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 29 at 11:33 PM • permalinkTry reading the media, sure. But choose carefully. Example: a new poll being reported at ABC Online shows that 60 per cent of Australians have a favourable view of the United States. Or, as the ABC reports it:
Bush turning Aussies off US: poll.
Forty per cent of Australians hold an unfavourable view of the United States…
“In art, people no longer seek consolation and exaltation. But the nice people, the rich people, the idle folk, those forever talking more and more about less and less; they seek after whatever is new, odd, original, extravagant, or scandalous. Since Cubism and what followed it I have sought to please such as these with whatever bizarre extravagances entered my head, and the less they understood the more they admired me. By dint of amusing myself with such fun and games, I became a celebrity in no time. And fame for a painter means sales, gains, a fortune, riches. Today I am, as you know, both famous and rich. But when I am alone, alone with myself, I haven’t the courage to consider myself an artist in the former grand sense of the term. Giotto, Titian, Rembrandt, and Goya: these were great painters. I am only a public clown who has understood his period and has exploited as best he could the imbecility, the vanity, and the cupidity of his contemporaries.”
Pablo Picasso, 1952.
C. L,
For the lefties there is no silver lining around which they cannot find at least a wisp of cloud.Posted by Michael Lonie on 2007 08 29 at 11:46 PM • permalinkDon’t forget to bring a shovel.
Shovel, hell, I’m bringing a gutted pig, needle, and thread.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 08 29 at 11:55 PM • permalinksaid his work was not meant to be controversial but provocative
Provoking people whose central tenet is, “Turn the other cheek.”
Wow. How brave. That’s as gutsy as pitching a no-hitter against St. Mary’s School for the Blind. He’s quite the hero.
Is it just me, or does there seem to be an inverse relationship between a person’s self-congratulation and his actual achievement? Soldiers shrug off hero talk, while academics, artists and actors preen like George Clooney in a hall of mirrors.
The only thing stupider (and hilarious) than an artist explaining their own work, is an art expert trying to explain an artist’s work.
If I collected a week’s worth of pubic hair, glued it to some iron, dropped some of my blood on part of the iron, and labelled it “humane waste”, I’m sure the critic would extol the virtues and meaning in paragraphs of meaningless crap.
And some bigger fool would pay me $10,000 for it.
wait a second ....
The obsessive attention to the subjects of religion by the talentless moderns is a sort of backhanded co0mpliment. they have nothing signiciant to make art about, so they have to invoke the scorned Western tradition in some way to get any attention at all.
Pity them. They are clanging cymbals and noisy gongs in the telling words of St Paul [1 Cor 13]Re #24, hey, think of the savings in buying a casket, Grimmy!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 08 30 at 01:16 AM • permalinkAs for “art”......most modern “artists” are unemployable, talentless hacks. Were there no narcisstic fools with disposable incomes, these cretins would end up pushing a cart around and rummaging from dumpsters for their next meal.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 08 30 at 01:18 AM • permalinkHa! The left are the gift that keep on giving. Below is a comment online at the Telegraph:
Hahahaa….I love the absurd comments made by moron suburbanites….nice art work keep it up. None of you white trash idiots have any respect for workers, refugees, muslims, Aboriginals, otherwise you wouldn’t keep voting HOward in. Get over it biggotted fools
Posted by: conrad of GlebeThese are crap artists having a cheap shot for the sake of the resulting publicity. They may play well to the “workers, refugees (& refugee industry), muslims and aboriginals” but they are just another couple of turds to be flushed down the sewer for diseased art.
If Conrad and the rest of the greater kerbside cafe commentariat of Glebe want to cheer for free speech and freedom from religion (and John Howard) not to mention sexual freedom, their time may come. It will be a very uncomfortable time, what with a wall collapsed on them, or some such punishment.
This is reminiscent of the works of John Shelby Spong, who, after putting the central articles of faith of Christians through the mincing machine, is held to be some sort of hero to be admired and interviewed by the ABC. Again today by Richard Fidler. I’ll be impressed when Spong writes a book called “Why Islam Has To Change or Die”, or when he denies often and publicly the basic tenets of faith regarding that religion’s prophet.Wouldn’t it have been more apt and more “courageous” to have Bin Laden morphing from an image of another certain religious figure?
Something like this I’m thinkin…
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 08 30 at 03:53 AM • permalinkOut of respect for islame I will obscure the prophet’s face.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 30 at 04:04 AM • permalink“Mr Pattenden said he did not expect controversy to result from the exhibition “because the Christian community doesn’t look at art a great deal”.”
“To you Baldrick, the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasn’t it?”
I cant add anything to that.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 08 30 at 04:28 AM • permalinkThe Muslim community, on the other hand is deeply interested in all forms of art.
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 08 30 at 04:42 AM • permalinkArtists?
I don’t know much about art, admittedly, but for my birthday once Dirty Harriet and I spent a weekend in Melbourne and she took me to the National Gallery of Victoria to see “The Impressionists: Masterpieces from the Musée d’Orsay”.
I’m not an overly educated fellow, and don’t really know my Édouard Manet from my Claude Monet, and Vincent Van Gogh, Paul Cézanne, Edgar Degas and Pierre-Auguste Renoir could be brands of aftershave for all I cared.
But something about these paintings really struck me. They captured the changes going on at that time, true, but also you could almost feel emotions in the painted faces. I have a couple of those prints framed on my walls right now, one she liked, one that reminded me of her.
Do these idiots really think that many years from now a semi literate knuckledragger like me is going to suddenly look at their ‘provocative’ works and feel anything but pity for the twisted f*cking mind that created it?
These people insult the religion I grew up with, solely to gain notoriety.
Pity they couldn’t gain talent.#41 I’m with you brother. My wife and I visited the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam two weekends ago, and I was thinking about how much I hate modern art while looking at several Rembrandt and Jan Steen paintings (and many others as well). I was thinking about how in 400 years time, western society has lost most, if not all of its artistic ability. The way these guys of old could create such beauty and realism using crude implements and materials is remarkable. With all of our modern gadgetry, the efforts of these bozos today is whale shank on the bottom of the deepest ocean when compared to the masters.
You could place the “art work” of a chimp next to any so-called modern artist’s offerings and NO ONE could honestly tell the difference. Art is dead, and turned to dust long ago.My comment on the “artwork”, especially after reading a heap of the comments. Not sure if it will make it past mods, but you never know.
For the record, I consider myself a member of the Church Militant.
I’ve just not been called up for active duty. My titanium cluebat is ready and waiting.
For all the outcry about Christians turning the other cheek and following the example that Jesus set, there is one area where He did not hesitate to act.
That was where blasphemy was concerned.
John 2:14-17…and in the Temple he found people selling cattle and sheep and pigeons, and the money changers sitting at their counters there. Making a whip out of some cord, he drove them all out of the Temple, cattle and sheep as well, scattered the moneychangers’ coins, knocked their tables over and said to the pigeon-sellers, ‘Take all this out of here and stop turning my Father’s house into a market.’
As a christian, I take heart in this example, as I find the constant offence offered to God in our wonderfully secular society tiresome.
It’s probably a good thing that a lot of christians don’t read their bibles.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 08 30 at 06:39 AM • permalink#20 - I switched off the radio when PM started its piece on that survey.
Some dickhead with a clipboard and a list of questions has discovered that a lot of Australians are blinkered twats who think the US is the source of all evil. Well, who woulda?Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 08 30 at 07:51 AM • permalink#42 Got it in one Bob.
As far as these people are concerned, us Neanderthals don’t matter, as we cannot recognise the intrinsic artistic value, or the meaning behind works of art.
But we can normally spot a waste of oxygen from a couple of hundred metres.Real art is supposed to speak to the soul, and on that day, it did to mine.
I thought of the countless hours hands toiled to get it just right, just the way they wanted to convey what they saw.
Not just sling a burkha over a statue and call it ‘art’.
I remember seeing my first statue of Mary in Primary School, and thinking that she looked so beautiful and sad.
In 400 years, I just pray that another boy looks at a similar statue and feels the same way, and isn’t ashamed of his faith or where he comes from.
Sorry, I have to go and burn a couple of churches now, whilst wailing ‘Our father who art in heaven’.
Oh wait, we don’t do that, do we?
Bugger. :)Relax dudes, this is about as offensive and provocative and original as…middle class political correctness.
Best part was Irf - a Muslim - trying to give us a lesson in Islamisation in Crikey. Like that’s new too (Of course, what could he, as a Muslim, say about art except blow it up?).
I’m fortunate to have seen the “Masterpieces from the Musée d’Orsay” at the d’Orsay (a venue every bit as beautiful as the art it shelters). I could have stayed there for days. The opportunity to see the originals of works of art I’ve loved all my life is one of the great joys of travel (Amsterdam is high on my “must go” list primarily for its Rembrandt and Van Gogh collections). Oddly enough, I’ve never seen anything resembling The Forth Secret of Fatima or Piss Christ at any of the great museums I’ve visited, not even the ones featuring modern art.
Ms. Bracks explains herself further:
Bracks said one issue behind her work was the glorification of Osama bin Laden in some parts of the world.
“What I was thinking about is, well, what would happen to the stories about this man over thousands of years. Could that possibly lead to someone with a cult-like status,” she said.
Ah yes, Jesus Christ, iconic cult figure.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 08 30 at 12:54 PM • permalinkIs it just me, or does there seem to be an inverse relationship between a person’s self-congratulation and his actual achievement? Soldiers shrug off hero talk, while academics, artists and actors preen like George Clooney in a hall of mirrors.
That’s generally true but of course there is the occasional exception. Antony Lowenstein comes to mind. Surely his towering achievements equal in every respect his breathtaking level of self-congratulation….surely.
(Isn’t he the very model of a modern major general?)
I couldn’t disagree more.
I am no fan of ‘art’ but there is nothing offensive about these works. Bracks has portrayed Jesus as ‘good’ and OBL as ‘evil’. How exactly does this offend anyone except supporters of radical Islam?
What is disgraceful is the lightning-fast reaction of our politicians to denounce these pieces.
Freedom of expression means the right to offend. Simple. And these works are not even offensive.
I am offended by the affront to free speech as presented by our pathetic politicians.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 08 30 at 07:41 PM • permalink#42 Texas Bob,
Somebody actually did enter fingerpainting by a chimpanzee as modern art, attributing it to a fictional name for the artist. The paintings won critical praise as art and some even sold for a respectable amount of money. This was all back in the 1960s and the scientist, Desmond Morris, wrote about it in a book called The Biology of Art. So you are correct, modern art is no better than what a chimp could do.Much of it is worse. Robert Conquest, in his book Reflections on a Ravaged Century, comments that part of the problem is that the raw materials of modern artists remain raw. They do not have the skill to turn them into something beautiful. I’d say their spirit is reflected in their art. Their souls are ugly or dead, so they cannot produce beauty by expressing what is in them. Their technical abilities are also atrophied. Comquest noted that major art schools have ceased to teach perspective. The abandonment of religion has led to the abandonment of love and beauty among artists.
Pommygranate,
Freedom of speech means some twit can produce whatever art she/he/it likes, but does not oblige me to pay for it. Nor to view it, if what I’ve heard about it convinces me that is a waste of time.By the time the Islamists get done there won’t be any freedom of speech or artistic freedom. Representational art is verboten for Islamists. Remember the Bamiyan Buddhas? As they are able to force more and more of their agenda on others in the West through threats of violence and bullying the area of freedom will grow smaller. The lefties will justify that thorugh multiculti casuistry. The defense of civilization and artistic freedom will be left to George Bush, John Howard, and Colonel Blimp, for whom three cheers.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2007 09 01 at 01:39 AM • permalink
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What next? A painting of Elvis on black velvet shaking hands with Ahminijihad? Camels playing poker? (Yo! Dibs on a piece of the Blake Prize, if somebody does paint either of those).