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SONG FOR DAVE

Want to be an Australian folk hero? Just join the Taliban, set out to end Western-Jewish domination, try to kill Indian soldiers, and the Age’s Martin Flanagan will love you:

David Hicks will become one of the ghosts to be heard when we sing Australia’s national lullaby, Waltzing Matilda.

The Left were outraged when an Indian doctor was arrested in Australia following attempted bombings in the UK; yet they’re all huggy towards Hicks, who - among his other free-spirited Aussie antics - fired “hundreds of bullets” at Indians. He’s the little warmonger who tried.

UPDATE. Mainstream columnist Flanagan is dismissed as a crazy left field source. Well, he does write for the Age ...

Posted by Tim B. on 11/30/2007 at 08:43 PM
  1. Great idea - drown him in a billabong.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2007 11 30 at 08:54 PM • permalink

  2. Well I admire him about as much as I admire an ovine-molesting vagrant who didn’t have the bottle to face up to his nefarious activities- a New Zealander surely.

    I’m always amused when lefties drag Waltzing Matilda out of their duffel bags, a maudlin, boring, pointless dirge about a criminal beastialist- a perfect ditty for followers of the light on the hill*.

    I hate the fucking thing, and have nearly become embroiled in fistfights at rugby tests for loudly decrying in when the crowd start warbling the turgid tune.

    *The light distracts you while junkies, presbyterians and bogans are stealing your plasma and DVD recorder.

    Posted by Habib on 2007 11 30 at 09:04 PM • permalink

  3. BTW- I’m greatly distressed at the tardiness of Kevin07’s progressive mandate- why hasn’t Hicksie been pardoned and released, and Mamdoud Habib compensated for his torture at the hands of Amerikkkan imperialists?

    I knew I should’ve voted for the Greens.

    Posted by Habib on 2007 11 30 at 09:07 PM • permalink

  4. David Hicks will become one of the ghosts . . .

    What, they’ve decided to hang him?

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 30 at 09:16 PM • permalink

  5. Muhammed Dawood

    Doesn’t flow quite like…Robin Hood, does it?

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 30 at 09:30 PM • permalink

  6. the difference between Hicks and Haneef is that Haneef is probably innocent, and was unfortunate enough to have relatives involved in some serious shit.
    By contrast, Hicks was travelling around the world seeking the action out. So what if he tried to kill Indian soldiers? His heart was in the right place, and that’s what counts.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2007 11 30 at 09:31 PM • permalink

  7. We should be so lucky

    Posted by Simon Darkshade on 2007 11 30 at 09:35 PM • permalink

  8. Well OZ, don’t feel badly. We have our own jihadis….John (Hamza) Walker Lindh, (aka Suleyman al-Faris) being one.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 30 at 09:37 PM • permalink

  9. #6- Don’t count on it, the meeeja (for a change) seriously beat up that angle; my brother was acting for the minister on the matter, and there’s a lot of shit on that odious little bastard which unfortunately can’t see the light of day due to ongoig investigations, especially in the UK.

    Imagine the same reaction to a fifth columnist being sprung during WW2- mobs with torches would have set upon every “journalsi” who tried to make apologia for the douchebag in question, and rightly so.

    The sixties and hippiedom have a shitload to answer for.

    Posted by Habib on 2007 11 30 at 09:44 PM • permalink

  10. And I might add that the MSM these days is about as reflective of public opinion as apparently Therese Rein’s collective mirrors are, going by how she garbs herself.

    Posted by Habib on 2007 11 30 at 09:46 PM • permalink

  11. #10, like the “interesting” jacket she wore when inspecting the Lodge.  HERE

    Posted by Kami on 2007 11 30 at 10:06 PM • permalink

  12. #11
    lol It’s a new fashion trend Friesian Camo

    Posted by alien kiwi on 2007 11 30 at 10:21 PM • permalink

  13. I can only ask: what on earth is the matter with these people?

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 30 at 10:22 PM • permalink

  14. Andrea

    You ain’t seen nothin’ yet..If by some chance and it’s a damn good possibilty..HRC gets in, it’ll be SSDD, with us.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 30 at 10:33 PM • permalink

  15. from prisoners or should be to heroes…in one day in November

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 30 at 10:39 PM • permalink

  16. Is this Flanagan any relation to the author Flanagan (he of the Unknown Terrorist fame)? Just curious if feeble mindedness runs in families.

    Not being an age reader is there anyone who provides some semblance of balance to their reporting? Even the SMH has Gerard Henderson and Miranda Devine to counter the Marrs, Carltons, Acklands etc

    Posted by Francis H on 2007 11 30 at 10:52 PM • permalink

  17. #11: Oh, man! Rudd’s done it now! He wore. . . A. Yellow. Tie. And if I’m not mistaken, it’s with a blue or (worse) charcoal gray suit. I know it’s not rational. I know it’s petty. But I can’t stand yellow ties! Especially with blue or gray suits.

    Oh, and what’s up with Mrs. Prime Minister’s blouse?  She looks like she was preparing to infiltrate a herd of Holstein cows.

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 30 at 10:54 PM • permalink

  18. #9
    It always amazes me when the legal eagles acting for the accused whine and bitch to the media, who take up the cause, that there’s no proof and that proof should be shown that their precious client hasn’t done anything wrong…

    When showing that proof may impact ongoing investigations, and endanger investigators.

    I don’t like Haneef. I don’t think that he should be allowed to come back to Australia, especially after badmouthing the government and it’s departments. He’s not an Australian citizen and he is just here making money for his family at home.

    Drown Dawood? Good idea. I will supply some bricks. And rope.

    Posted by kae on 2007 11 30 at 11:15 PM • permalink

  19. #12 and 17, her Election night outfit was also spectacular.  I’m struggling to find a a good photo - just imagine lots of shiny blue frills.

    Posted by Kami on 2007 11 30 at 11:35 PM • permalink

  20. Here’s an O/T and utterly pointless observation: I now have made over 1000 comments here.
    So I’d like to say, thanks Tim, for providing such a wonderful, entertaining, quality blog with such a strong community around it.
    I don’t know how you keep up the energy day after day on this, but I’m glad you do.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2007 11 30 at 11:37 PM • permalink

  21. #20: Congratulations, Daddy Dave, on making your first “grand”! I always enjoy your comments.

    How does Tim do it? Well, it’s like this. This blog, see, is like Murder, Incorporated. Tim is Louis “Lepke” Buchalter - the Chief, the Chairman of the Board, the brains of the outfit. The rest of us are his boys (and girls, of course). Habib’s his “Kid Twist” Reles, Wronwright’s his “Tick Tock” Tannenbaum, I’m his “Blue Jaw” Magoon and so forth. We keep things hoppin’. And there ain’t no District Attorney what can take us down, see? Jeremy Sear? An ambulance chaser with weak ankles. Margo Kingston? A dizzy broad what ought to be slingin’ hash in a greasy spoon. Tim Flannery? Al Gore’s punk. Phil Adams? A retired circus elephant. And Kevin Rudd? A glorified ward healer on the make. So, this is our territory, see? And youse is one of us. And we’re glad to have ya.

    Posted by paco on 2007 12 01 at 12:03 AM • permalink

  22. I suggest that to soothe any hurt Indian feelings because we don’t want Haneef back, we put Hicks in a nice parcel ,attach a Xmas card and send him to the Indians for Christmas.
    “A turkey for you.“tralala

    Posted by waussie on 2007 12 01 at 12:03 AM • permalink

  23. Davy Dawood (tune Davy Crockett)

    Born in a trailer park in Adeliade,
    Afghanistan’s the place his name was made
    Fought for Osama ‘gainst those he
    betrayed,
    Caught by the yanks,fattened up at Gitmo Bay.

    Davy, Davy Dawood- the Aussie propheteer

    Fought simple minded through the Jihad war,
    A prime candidate for three-oh-three law.
    Now he’s a hero for the whole press corps,
    A martyr for the cause of leftard bores.

    Davy, Davy Dawood our home grown propheteer

    Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 12 01 at 12:47 AM • permalink

  24. SONG FOR DAVE

    And it’s one, two, three,
    What’re we fightin’ for?
    Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
    I just obey my Imam.

    And it’s five, six, seven…
    Seventy-two raisin dates!
    Ain’t no time t’ pick an’ choose
    KA-BOOM! I’m sure they’re mostly Jews!

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 12 01 at 12:59 AM • permalink

  25. Rudder sends Wong-Garrett team to Bali for the IPCC ... that’ll fix ‘em, hehe

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 12 01 at 01:00 AM • permalink

  26. Song for Dawood.

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 01:02 AM • permalink

  27. It’s obvious to anyone with the intellect to realise it. Hicks is one of our own, just like most parents can’t stay angry at their kids for long, and will delude themselves that any bad behaviour is just good natured hijinks, we can’t be too pissed off at one of our own. Those foreign terrorists though, different story. Up against the wall at dawn, and if they happen to be brown like me, well makes it so much easier to get a good rage up. (VTIC). Doesn’t matter if they are alleged terrorists or not, we can’t get huggy with foreigners, next thing you know they will be having parades on public holidays, bringing foreign food with mysterious spices and before you know it, your favourite daughter is marrying one of them. One of our own on the other hand is a different story, they can marry somoene elses daughter.

    aguycalledbrad.blogspot.com

    Posted by aguycalledbrad on 2007 12 01 at 01:10 AM • permalink

  28. kae

    Anti-Semitic feelings in OZ, obviously know or have heard of Dawood and his Daddy…but elsewhere and others?

    Serious problem?

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 01:14 AM • permalink

  29. #25,

    Funny how the left are trumpeting how much Asia loves Labor, I’ll tell you two things, telling Asian nations what to do about the death penalty and sending an Asian-Lesbian Minister to an Asian-Muslim country is going to impress them no end.

    Posted by Nic on 2007 12 01 at 01:14 AM • permalink

  30. Nic

    I take it you speak of Wong, or am I not on the same cricket field?

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 01:17 AM • permalink

  31. And if you do speak of her and you do NOT like her, suggest she take a teddy bear.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 01:20 AM • permalink

  32. #28
    El Cid. I’ve never had them, and I’ve not seen them within the circles I move. I think that there are others who might better answer that question. Dan are you out there?
    I think that anyone I know who may be classified in that count would probably be thinking of the fight in Israel and “Palestine” and “they are all as bad as each other”. I must admit I thought that way a long time ago. Not anti or pro, just all as bad as eachother.
    I can see the injustice now, I think I may have thought that because of the poisonous lies fed to all by the MSM.

    Now I feel bad at having admitted that. But I think I can blame the MSM for the information I received. Very one-sided. Fortunately my eyes are open now, and have been for a long time. Figuring out that the MSM was pedaling lies helped.

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 01:28 AM • permalink

  33. 32 kae

    Thank you lady kae.

    I do hope you didn’t think I was pointing at anyone in particular, (with the exception of Elder Dawood and the rotting apple that has fallen from the tree).

    ‘Twas a general population question. God knows we have them here on the extreme Left, as well as the extreme Right. Plus a bit concealed, in many.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 01:45 AM • permalink

  34. Now I feel bad at having admitted that.

    Ashamed I thought that way.

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 01:54 AM • permalink

  35. 34

    NO NO..for Christ Sakes

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 02:02 AM • permalink

  36. From the article above.

    “The Australian media had obliged Howard by basically letting him play the national political game on his own terms — in sporting terms, always an advantage.”

    Yup in his bizzaro world Howard always had the media on side. From that statement alone you should be capable of working out just how factual the rest of his article is.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 12 01 at 02:15 AM • permalink

  37. I don’t want you thinking I was sandbagging you, for that was in no way on my mind…PERIOD!

    God knows how many of us, in days gone by, MAY have thought the same thing, until the clearness of the evil of Islam, be they Pali, Saudi, Persian, or the rest of that foul lot.

    I have to go now, my laptop has become very unstable…flickering…but it is my own fault. I was trying to FIX something.

    As I’ve metioned many times…My idea of a screwdriver, is a drink. This also extends to technical things.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 02:16 AM • permalink

  38. For El Cid:

    Mo Dawood, Mo Dawood, riding through Kabul
    Mo Dawood, Mo Dawood, with his band of men
    Loved by the sad, jailed by the good
    Mo Dawood, Mo Dawood, Mo Dawood…

    Posted by Craig Mc on 2007 12 01 at 02:17 AM • permalink

  39. #29
    Yeah, Wong, a Malaysian import, prolly has more for affinity with Oz than ABC bint Kylie Kwong, who, with a century of family heritage in Australia, whilst cross promoting her book on the subject* on Life Matters, when asked if Oz were to play China at cricket some day, ‘who would she barrack for?’ - couldn’t answer - she’s got longer Oz pedigree* than yours truly and can’t decide? - buzz! - failed love - may as well take the slow boat (back) to China.

    If yours truly ever barracks for the poms, shoot me!

    *Looks like she just got off the boat - so much for assimilation in a century!

    Capitalist co-owner of Sydney’s The Wok Pool restaurant? with celebrity Oz chef Neil Perry and maker of Cooking and Travel shows for Auntie; cross-promoted book is via Auntie’s book shop - Meeja Watch?!!

    The people Auntie and the Left get in bed with ...

    And she’s fugly and a f*cked Asian cook, according to a female Asian friend.

    yet another triump of self-promotion over substance from our ABC?

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 12 01 at 02:19 AM • permalink

  40. # 30 EC, yeah, the same.

    Posted by Nic on 2007 12 01 at 03:01 AM • permalink

  41. #39

    This ere pom is 110% Aussie- or is at present- but if Rudd FU I may migrate to Canada or ?

    Dawood will get his real comeuppence one day, but in the mean time since no one will wnt to employ him it will be the long suffering tax payer or maybe he will revert again and become a holy man!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by Hillyminx on 2007 12 01 at 03:19 AM • permalink

  42. “David Hicks will become one of the ghosts”

    The sooner, the better.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 12 01 at 04:27 AM • permalink

  43. #16—yes, they’re brothers. Both very good writers, it has to be said, but they’re essentially Irish priests who’ve substituted lofty lefty ideals (and footie, in Martin’s case) for religion.

    Posted by Blithering Bunny on 2007 12 01 at 04:41 AM • permalink

  44. #39 I believe Kwong got her ABC show on the strength of some spring rolls she defrosted for an Emily’s list meeting.

    She would have got a preselection but Wong already had the token Asian female spot covered.

    Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 12 01 at 04:52 AM • permalink

  45. I know it’s O/T, but harking bark to the Canadian beer fridge drama of a couple of threads ago, it looks like Wimpy and Andy are going to have to buy an extra beer fridge.

    Posted by Pogria on 2007 12 01 at 05:33 AM • permalink

  46. Flanagan starts by making a few genuflections in Howard’s direction to ward off charges of partisanship. A slim effort, and ultimately negated by what follows. Then he comes up with this (and from here on his writing goes from bad to worse):

    Tell me when Howard sat down with Aboriginal people and truly listened to them? Where, when and how did he learn their way of seeing things? That’s the story I want to hear. Because it doesn’t exist.

    We all (John Howard and Mal Brough included) saw and heard Noel Pearson and his Cape York community grapple with the truth, and try to overcome the basic, deadly paradigm which will otherwise finish them. There is a lot of support for the intervention from their intelligentsia, including Warren Mundine, former ALP President. Marcia Langton in recent days has also written about it.
    Flanagan should know this. His article is a shameful farrago.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2007 12 01 at 05:38 AM • permalink

  47. Agree, Blogstrop. Howard did listen, and act. Oh, it took a while, but the nature of the opposition from failed corrupt ex-ATSIC lowlives indicates that he was correct to do so.

    You can sum up their view as ‘screw the kiddies, where is a trough of public money for me to steal’. Now, in the functional definition of insanity, the neocommies are going to return to the failed policies of the past and hope for a different outcome.

    It makes yer weep.

    MarkL
    Canberra

    Posted by MarkL on 2007 12 01 at 06:10 AM • permalink

  48. After David’s effort in Afghanistan I think he desrves to be lionised in song.

    Posted by Penguin on 2007 12 01 at 06:20 AM • permalink

  49. How’s this for a slow Saturday night.

    Once a dopey moron teamed up with the Taliban
    Darling of the moonbats at the ABC
    Love confirmed from the left as he hated the Americans
    Who’ll come a Waltzing to Gitmo with me?

    Down came a Saudi man, coward and an asshole
    Up jumped Mo Dawood, embraced him with glee
    Defended a tank on behalf of al-Qaeda
    Who’ll come a Waltzing to Gitmo with me?

    Goat shaggers for jihad rode in on their Dromedary’s
    Up rose the navy, marines and army
    “Put down your AK or we’ll put you in a body bag”
    “You’ll come a Waltzing to Gitmo with me”

    Changed his name and religion for returning to Australia
    Naïve little boy kept the wrong company
    His ghost may be heard over countless paid interviews
    “Who’ll come a Waltzing to Gitmo with me?

    Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 12 01 at 06:22 AM • permalink

  50. #49 Hank

    CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

    Applause

    You Are Brilliant!

    Posted by Pogria on 2007 12 01 at 06:28 AM • permalink

  51. Where, when and how did he learn their way of seeing things? That’s the story I want to hear. Because it doesn’t exist.

    But where is the story of Howard persecuting them? Where is the story of him doing nothing, sitting idle while aboriginal children were abused by their elders? That’s the story that I want to hear. Because it doesn’t exist.

    The Left is all about rhetoric. “Sorry” and all that. But actions matter more than words.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2007 12 01 at 06:31 AM • permalink

  52. Hank, it appears your singing lessons in Primary school have served you well….
    he he he

    Very good!

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 06:39 AM • permalink

  53. Hicks is just another dumb shit sucked into an illogical ideology.

    Posted by Howzat on 2007 12 01 at 06:45 AM • permalink

  54. #52 It seems they must have. hehe
    I’m no Banjo Paterson though but that rendition practically wrote itself.

    Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 12 01 at 07:05 AM • permalink

  55. Sort of O/T a few complaints about the media… deaf ears, I know, but here goes:

    1. ABstinkingC news tongiht called the ALP win a “Landslide Victory”. Since when?

    2. This whinging pom needs to pack it in.

    3. Aus Editorial here. Times are a changing: Reforming our parties is vital to modernising the country. Which country is that pray tell?

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 07:09 AM • permalink

  56. #54
    No, I think you should give some credit to your teacher…

    It’s great when ditties parodies just come together like that.

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 07:12 AM • permalink

  57. #20 daddy dave:

    Congrats.

    I’m 955, only 45 to go.  I’ve been busy as a little bee lately, a visit to Blair’s Lair is not so often these days, but still a treat.

    Hicks is plaything of the Left, an opportunity to get back at Howard.  It does show up their shallow values.  Same with their demonisation of Ayaan Hirsi Ali.  It seems religion trumps human rights for many of them.  I did type a few more sentences, but deleted them, to be replaced by this word, hypocrisy.  One thing I despise is hypocrites, regardless of their viewpoint.

    And hi Kae.

    Posted by Stevo on 2007 12 01 at 07:28 AM • permalink

  58. ABstinkingC news tongiht called the ALP win a “Landslide Victory”. Since when?

    since it was a win for Labor. It seems lots of terms are being redefined at the moment,
    “economic conservatism”
    “deregulation”
    “landslide victory”
    ...

    Posted by daddy dave on 2007 12 01 at 07:28 AM • permalink

  59. thanks Stevo. Not sure what I achieved though, other than a lot of hot air!

    Posted by daddy dave on 2007 12 01 at 07:29 AM • permalink

  60. So Dawood wants to be anonymous. I would say he would. The deal he must have cut, may have peeved a few of his former colleagues off, the way he spilled his guts and renounced membership of his Islamofacist club. I believe they have long memories and that they don’t hand out slaps on the wrist and a stern talking to, when it comes to malcontents. Then again, I won’t shed a tear for him. Maybe the MSM, in a rush to make him a ‘personality/victim’ will provide a 24/7 minder service, perhaps their ABC would be in the running.

    Posted by BJM on 2007 12 01 at 07:34 AM • permalink

  61. Hi Stevo, I hoped you hadn’t fallen off the face of the earth. I hope things calm down over Christmas so that you can enjoy time with your family. I have made a few comments too. Mostly hot air.

    Reply and it’s down to 44!  8-D

    #58
    Oh.

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 07:36 AM • permalink

  62. #47 - thanks Mark. It is a measure of the strength of the PC shackles (even during a period of conservative government) that action could not be contemplated until there was a precedent of the Cape York style.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2007 12 01 at 07:36 AM • permalink

  63. #60
    In Islam the penalty for apostasy is death.

    And if you help the infidel it’s probably the same penalty.

    So, it’s double death.

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 07:38 AM • permalink

  64. Hi kae ... I’ve got seven weeks accumulated leave to be taken in a weeks time.  I’ll be spending more time down at the beach with the kids, and unwinding from another stressful year.  Next year might see China or Melbourne, don’t know which one to pick.  China sounds nice, but I can’t speak Mandarin like Kev can.  I only know a few words.

    I mentioned Ayaan Hirsi Ali above.  I think she is a great role model.  Not that the rest of world agrees.  And maybe not many at this blog.  But I am interested in the rights for people, especially women in the world.  I do check out the portal weekly called
    Butterflies and Wheels.

    It’s a great site to see what intolerance is happening around the globe.  Australia rarely gets mentioned.  Is that a surprise?

    Posted by Stevo on 2007 12 01 at 08:47 AM • permalink

  65. #64 Stevo,

    there would be precious few people on this blog whom do not think the world of Miss Hirsi Ali.

    Those would mainly be the resident trolls.

    Posted by Pogria on 2007 12 01 at 09:19 AM • permalink

  66. Song for Dave. Hey there Davey boy! I hope you fry!

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 12 01 at 09:27 AM • permalink

  67. Lyrics for the nonrockers.

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 12 01 at 09:33 AM • permalink

  68. Australia has a national lullaby?

    Posted by rightwingprof on 2007 12 01 at 09:38 AM • permalink

  69. I wonder how all the people berating Hicks would feel if they had a relative locked up for five years without charges being laid.

    What many of you on here don’t seem to realise is that many people think Hicks WAS an idiot and possibly a criminal for doing what he did.

    What many people like myself do not agree with was the way he was treated and the length of his internment without charge and without following standard legal protocol (such as those pertaining to me evidence and testimony).

    It is lazy journalism when Blair picks up some crazy left field source saying Hicks is a hero and then assuming all defenders of Hicks hold that position.

    In debating that is call the “straw-man theory”. Oversimplifying your opponents argument and then demolishing that oversimplified argument. I call it weak and lazy journalism.

    Posted by agile on 2007 12 01 at 09:44 AM • permalink

  70. #69; Because it’s a war and not a police matter? He wasn’t arrested so he could be given a trial date, he was captured on a battlefield. And if he was my relative, he’d be dead to me at his first murderous rant.

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 12 01 at 10:04 AM • permalink

  71. you’re overcomplicating your own argument. In debating this is known as bullshit.

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 12 01 at 10:08 AM • permalink

  72. ...yet they’re all huggy towards Hicks, who - among his other free-spirited Aussie antics - fired “hundreds of bullets” at Indians.


    What he needed was a Little Big Horn moment.

    Posted by ErnieG on 2007 12 01 at 11:34 AM • permalink

  73. More wacky fun with that noted apologist for terrorism, George Galloway!

    Posted by paco on 2007 12 01 at 11:40 AM • permalink

  74. What many people like myself do not agree with was the way he was treated and the length of his internment without charge and without following standard legal protocol

    Read the Geneva Convention for the proper protocol for dealing with guerrillas. David got off very, very lucky.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 12 01 at 11:43 AM • permalink

  75. #73 oh paco, he just makes my skin crawl.

    Posted by missred on 2007 12 01 at 12:19 PM • permalink

  76. 69

    I wonder how all the people berating Hicks would feel if they had a relative locked up for five years without charges being laid.

    Depends on which relative.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 12:23 PM • permalink

  77. missred

    A Scot, who makes your skin crawl? My oh my.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 12:25 PM • permalink

  78. el cid, he does not represent scotland or any scottish constituency.  his represenation is a small piece of london.
    any one who believes as he does, makes my skin crawl.  he just happens to be one of the vilest.
    imho
    ;)

    Posted by missred on 2007 12 01 at 12:40 PM • permalink

  79. missred

    Yes Galloway is vile. Frankly I don’t know how the boy has managed to live as long as he has.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 01:01 PM • permalink

  80. Didn’t Hicks write a friend and ask her to hook him up with a couple of girls with big boobs when he gets out? I remember he was emphatic that the boobs must be big. So, which lucky lefty gals will it be?

    Posted by Redd on 2007 12 01 at 01:04 PM • permalink

  81. I wonder how all the people berating Hicks would feel if they had a relative locked up for five years without charges being laid.

    I’d say the hell with them.

    Posted by Redd on 2007 12 01 at 01:06 PM • permalink

  82. I’m not sure exactly how many times I have to point this out to the less intellectually gifted amongst us. The David Hicks case was an early example of a situation that is likely to become more common as the enemies of democracy realise that their power lies not in the barrel of a gun, but in their ability to manipulate the opinion of the voting mass in the major democracies.

    Hicks is a nobody, both in impact on the physical battlefield and in the real legal sense. He is a physical nobody because he is an inherent coward who talked a big game and then soiled himself when it became real. In a legal sense, he is neither a combatant nor a non-combatant. There are rules for combatants, laid down quite succinctly in the Geneva Convention. They include uniforms, chains of command etc. By his own admission, he is also not a non-combatant. What to do with him? The shallow thinkers of our time would have him tried as a common criminal. Does this fit the crime inherent in his intent, if not the cowardly nature of his actions? Not by a long shot. Is he a Prisoner of War according to the Geneva Convention? Not by a long shot. The duration of his incarceration at Gitmo stemmed from two basic sources. Firstly, there was no legal precedent for a wanker like him taking up arms against his sovereign government and their allies but not as a part of a recognized and legitimate foe. Secondly, his own legal team, obstinate in their own stupidity and overwhelmed by their sudden celebrity, stalled and delayed the process hoping to gain political mileage. All the while, poor Dawood was getting fat on the purse of the American public at a facility with an evil reputation that doesn’t stand up to any real objective scrutiny.

    He was let off for purely political purposes. The illogical and ideologically driven left had gained sufficient traction on the ill informed Australian public to force the government’s hand. We will soon have an avowed Jihadist walking freely among the citizenry of Adelaide

    Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 12 01 at 01:11 PM • permalink

  83. Completely O/T, but here is a clever item from the delightful Maggie’s Farm.

    Posted by paco on 2007 12 01 at 01:38 PM • permalink

  84. And then there’s this protest specimen, of the BDS variety.

    Money quote #1: “He’s not even sure he’ll make a difference”. Well, John, I’m sure.

    Money quote #2: “‘With a name like Nirenberg, you’re very sensitive to that kind of environment,’ he said, referring to the post-World War II Nuremberg trials of Nazi war criminals.’” Stark, raving stupid.

    Posted by paco on 2007 12 01 at 01:51 PM • permalink

  85. I’ve seen a van in my neighborhood that is covered with “impeach Bush” slogans. It’s a professional paint job and includes the side and back windows. I’m happy to see nuts waste their money on such nonsense.

    Posted by Redd on 2007 12 01 at 01:59 PM • permalink

  86. I did a google and have been reading the reports about Hicks impending release. My God, they refer to him as a hero and talk about all types of concessions must be made for him upon release. The mother of his children even folded and allowed his children to visit him. Question:  Is he on some sort of parole, i.e., if he violates a rule will he be put back into the klink for a while?

    Posted by Redd on 2007 12 01 at 02:19 PM • permalink

  87. #85 Redd: In some areas, that paint job would be the equivalent of saying, “Please egg this vehicle.”

    Posted by paco on 2007 12 01 at 02:37 PM • permalink

  88. News you can use (against your lefty “friends”).

    Republicans Report Having Better Mental Health Than Democrats, Poll Finds

    Fox News

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 02:57 PM • permalink

  89. More Islamic nonsense.

    Posted by paco on 2007 12 01 at 03:11 PM • permalink

  90. “The reason the relationship exists between being a Republican and more positive mental health is unknown, and one cannot say whether something about being a Republican causes a person to be more mentally healthy or whether something about being mentally healthy causes a person to choose to become a Republican,” the study said.

    mmm i can think of several reasons - and these are my own observations - i take full responsibility
    republicans can usually laugh at themselves (as well as everyone else)
    republicans do not hold political opponents with such vehement hate in their hearts as we have seen from the dhimmies
    the only time its personal is when personal rights are affected
    i can probably think of more, but i have to go back to work ;D

    Posted by missred on 2007 12 01 at 03:13 PM • permalink

  91. #89, paco
    if they would spend half the energy they do fighting so called “islamophopia” and use it to denounce their extremist brothers i might have one iota of respect for them

    Posted by missred on 2007 12 01 at 03:20 PM • permalink

  92. 89

    This is A reason for the success these people have had…and they have had success and ‘they’ will continue to have success.

    They continually press on every point, legal and or otherwise. Western democracy, is tailor made for what ‘they’ are doing and ‘they’ are doing it. Don’t get what ‘they’ want, riot or blow something up.

    Seems as though the West, is powerless to stop it.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 03:31 PM • permalink

  93. #90: “The reason the relationship exists between being a Republican and more positive mental health is unknown, and one cannot say whether something about being a Republican causes a person to be more mentally healthy or whether something about being mentally healthy causes a person to choose to become a Republican,” the study said.

    Ok, look at Redd’s comment, #85. Some monomaniac paints anti-Bush slogans on his van - or rather, pays good money to have the job professionally done. This is clearly an indication of an unhinged mind. The guy is probably alive with seething neurotic anger which he projects onto Bush. Same as the idiot I linked to who’s going to walk from Boston to Washington to try and convince Nancy Pelosi to launch impeachment hearings. Oh, and by the way: my idiot supposedly has “much” of his life savings tied up in this “plan”. If, at age 60, it would cost him a big chunk of his life savings to walk from Boston to D.C., then he hasn’t put much aside over the years. When he arrives at Pelosi’s office - broke - I guess he can lobby for higher social security payments while he’s there.

    He is described in the article as an academic and author. Practically the only thing I can find by him at Amazon are down-loadable pamphlets on “corporate governance” and “leadership” (of all things), selling for $1.95 (a bargain at half the price!).

    Posted by paco on 2007 12 01 at 03:43 PM • permalink

  94. Firstly, there was no legal precedent for a wanker like him taking up arms against his sovereign government and their allies but not as a part of a recognized and legitimate foe.

    Combatants under arms and not part of a uniformed military entity of a sovereign government are subject to summary execution. Their citizenship is irrelevant.

    Citizenship is a factor insofar as a person taking up arms against his nation is a traitor.

    Our mistake has been in displaying excessive humanity. In the first case, we are legally entitled to execute those persons captured. In the second case, they should be tried for treason and punished accordingly.

    If we’re going to continue the kid-gloves treatment and let the Hicks and Lindhs score propaganda victories, then we had better craft some laws to address the disposal of these cases if we’re too squeamish to do so properly on the battlefield or in the prison yard.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 12 01 at 04:13 PM • permalink

  95. #89 They really wouldn’t have to worry about Mark Steyn if they gave a second of thought to the fact that he’s right.

    Not all Muslims are bad, but they certainly are if they don’t denounce the terrorist actions of their co-religionists… and then promptly whine that people tar them with the same brush. If they don’t stand up and denounce the actions, then they should put up with the criticism.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2007 12 01 at 04:21 PM • permalink

  96. Dave S.

    Exactly what I was try to point out…*UNsuccessfully in my #92 post.

    This is bullshit, WE remain humane against rabid animals. Doesn’t’t work.

    * Watching VA. Tech v. B.C.

    Democrats Strip Michigan of All Delegates for Scheduling Early Primary

    Very democratic of the Democrats, isn’t it?

    Fox News

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 04:29 PM • permalink

  97. and I stutter Doesn’t’t

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 04:31 PM • permalink

  98. Watching VA. Tech v. B.C.

    Got it on in the background. Go Eagles!

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 12 01 at 04:47 PM • permalink

  99. #64
    Glad to hear it Stevo. I will try to look at that site more.

    Enjoy your time on the beach with the kids.

    Hmm. China? Melbourne?

    Well, at least if the weather’s bad you can talk with someone in Melbourne.

    Oh, wait….

    How long is the posting?

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 05:25 PM • permalink

  100. Hi kae
    I know little more, was discussing 2008 with my boss last week.  Be at least 6 months for either. It could be a Melbournian winter or a Chinese summer.  It could all come to nothing.  It might be more of Sydney, or I could get shown the door!  Gotta go, enjoy ...

    Posted by Stevo on 2007 12 01 at 05:35 PM • permalink

  101. #69

    It is lazy journalism when Blair picks up some crazy left field source saying Hicks is a hero and then assuming all defenders of Hicks hold that position.

    David Hicks has been elevated to hero status by some of the left. Some people have even gone so far as to nominate him as their Australian of the Year. Ludicrous.

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 05:38 PM • permalink

  102. #100
    Take care!

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 05:44 PM • permalink

  103. At first, I thought it noble that our forces treated David Hicks as a prisoner of war when he was captured.  In retrospect, he should have been shot on the spot.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 12 01 at 06:20 PM • permalink

  104. #69

    “It is lazy journalism when Blair picks up some crazy left field source saying Hicks is a hero and then assuming all defenders of Hicks hold that position. “

    In Adelaide the deification of Hick assisted by the MSM is sickening.
    TV news showing candle light viduals and the print news actively white washing his past by using photo’s of him as a teen holding a baby.

    Posted by armageddon on 2007 12 01 at 06:24 PM • permalink

  105. It’s been my experience that in similar situations where a family member goes to bat for a son or brother like Daddy Hicks has, once the focus of all their efforts is released, there is a serious falling out and even a violent confrontation. Don’t be shocked if Pops ends up calling the cops on the idiot.

    Posted by Redd on 2007 12 01 at 06:49 PM • permalink

  106. Have a question…Didn’t Dawood kill people, or did ‘they’ give him blanks so he could play the part of a Jihadi?

    If he did, how many other killers have reached such rarefied air, in OZ?

    Don’t feel badly OZ, WE in the U.S. do the same, or at least our leftist slobbering idiots do.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 12 01 at 07:03 PM • permalink

  107. I’d say the British Teacher who went to vist the Sudan, was a lost lefty thinking she was doing good.

    The left don’t really understand what they’re trying to befriend or defend, it must be the Beast at work again.

    Posted by gin&tonic on 2007 12 01 at 07:06 PM • permalink

  108. We would have been better off if the teacher got her 40 lashes, and was then deported.  When she landed back in the UK, the press could have photographed her back and then the west would see the kind of morons that we’re dealing with.

    We should have allowed her to take one for the team.  It would have been a better outcome in the long run.

    As the lefties love to say, “For the greater good”.

    Posted by mr creosote on 2007 12 01 at 07:32 PM • permalink

  109. G’day… Something for the left to enjoy.

    ISLAMIC extremists are using an al-Qaeda training manual to give them instructions for taking over the state’s toughest jails, prison authorities have alleged.


    null


    The British teacher should be an example to lefties on a mission to understand their ‘fantasy’ is not workable dream. She looks like a lefty teacher, but all teachers are union orientated and socialist so there’s not much difference between Islam and Socialism. Mr Creosote, good point you’ve made.

    hi margos xxx Hi Colonelxx Hi Ashy..ty xx

    Posted by 1.618 on 2007 12 01 at 07:39 PM • permalink

  110. agile rigidly proclaims:

    I wonder how all the people berating Hicks would feel if they had a relative locked up for five years without charges being laid.

    You mean after being caught on the battlefield bearing arms against another army whilst not wearing any uniform or such? I’d wonder what was wrong with said relative’s mental faculties.

    (Odd how you leave the circumstances of his capture, in some attempt to make it sound like Hicks was just walking down the street on the way to the local 7-11 when he was nabbed.)

    Posted by Patrick Chester on 2007 12 01 at 07:41 PM • permalink

  111. Another Iemma Dilemma.

    Q: What has this man got on Iemma, so many others have been ejected from standing on the whiff of a domestic violence charge.

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 07:49 PM • permalink

  112. link test

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 12 01 at 07:51 PM • permalink

  113. nevermind. Headline: Clinton impresses with handling of hostage drama. She must have been in charge of the SWAT team.

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 12 01 at 07:53 PM • permalink

  114. #111

    Kae, Iemma is worried Koperburger will beat him to a pulp.

    Posted by mr creosote on 2007 12 01 at 07:59 PM • permalink

  115. #114
    Wot, with his eyebrows?

    Posted by kae on 2007 12 01 at 08:02 PM • permalink

  116. love this,,,, Kevin Rudd to the rescue he can speak Communism/Chinese.

    null

    The Government has openly accused China of carrying out state-sponsored espionage against vital parts of Britain’s economy, including the computer systems of big banks and financial services firms.

    Digital warfare at its best. Good thing is AI reality.

    Posted by 1.618 on 2007 12 01 at 08:02 PM • permalink

  117. #82 Richard Sharpe.
    That about sums it all up. People feeding egos, making money, political ideology. All on the back of a nobody coward, non entity wannabe, who lost his bottle when the time came. His recruiters must be wondering how they were landed with this ‘odd job.’
    Did he really meet Osama bin Laden?

    Posted by BJM on 2007 12 01 at 08:05 PM • permalink

  118. Mohammed the teddy pig.

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 12 01 at 08:17 PM • permalink

  119. #116 I replied to your email 1.6, but I’m pretty sure Optusnet is playing with my mind again!

    Just think: Is he worth it?

    Posted by Ash_ on 2007 12 01 at 08:18 PM • permalink

  120. 118; I should have put a language warning there. Bad manners. I apologise.

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 12 01 at 08:28 PM • permalink

  121. 69.
    Done better by others but heres my 2 bobs worth.

    This section of the Geneva conventions comes closest to defining Hick’s status. I cant see any breach of his rights at all.

    “4. A combatant who falls into the power of an adverse Party while failing to meet the requirements set forth in the second sentence of paragraph 3 shall forfeit his right to be a prisoner of war, but he shall, nevertheless, be given protections equivalent in all respects to those accorded to prisoners of war by the Third Convention and by this Protocol. This protection includes protections equivalent to those accorded to prisoners of war by the Third Convention in the case where such a person is tried and punished for any offences he has committed.”

    Thats being extremely charitable and allowing him combatant status with a recognised entity.

    However I dont see Hicks falling into this category that makes him a “privileged combatant”.

    “1. The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct or its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.”

    The taliban and Bin Ladens mob have NEVER followed the rules of the geneva convention. They offer no quater to captives, regularly attack and murder civillians, and actvely shield themselves with civillians as a tactic.
    They have no standing with thin the conventions if the black letter law was to be followed.
    Over to you pinhead, just type geneva conventions into your search engine and find and read the things.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 12 01 at 08:31 PM • permalink

  122. Moose update.

    Posted by paco on 2007 12 01 at 08:48 PM • permalink

  123. It will be fascinating to see the impact of YouTube on the next U.S. presidential election. Are all the candidates now comedians?.

    Posted by paco on 2007 12 01 at 08:56 PM • permalink

  124. #123 Oh dear, Paco, that one is just killing me!

    I love Rudi, but damn, that’s one fine ad!

    Posted by Ash_ on 2007 12 01 at 09:00 PM • permalink

  125. Well dear paco.. are all candidates comedians?  maybe they should be.  but there is no doubt they are clowns

    Posted by missred on 2007 12 01 at 09:07 PM • permalink

  126. night night all

    Posted by missred on 2007 12 01 at 09:12 PM • permalink

  127. #121 - Not to mention that not just the responsibilities, but also the benefits of the Geneva Conventions apply only to signatories. Of course, the big, bad, evil hegemon of AmeriKKKa has always treated prisoners of non-signatories humanely, despite never having that reciprocated. Those of us of the right-ish persuasion say that it’s because we’re civilized; those of the left-ish bent say (tho’ not in so many words) that it’s because we should know better than the benighted darkies.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 12 02 at 12:05 AM • permalink

  128. It’s amazing the patience you all have. How many times have you gone through this argument just for the erudition of some blow-in smart arse whose agilprop sounds just like all those tiresome ones who have come and gone before him.
    What many people like myself do not agree with was the way he was treated and the length of his internment without charge and without following standard legal protocol (such as those pertaining to me evidence and testimony).
    You want to be treated well? Keep your nose clean. Don’t be an idiot who signs up with terrorists.
    The criminal justice system works up to a point. Beyond that point you just have to be extra tough on those who are beyond reform. What do you do with guys like these, who were all convicted fair and square, beyond blind-justice agile’s tortured reproach about evidence and testimony.
    There is not really any doubt about what Dawood did. Agile is just bitching (as usual) about process. As to good journalism ... well, he’s on thin to no ice there too. From what we have seen of the intellectual and writing skills so far, his is a case of arrested development.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2007 12 02 at 12:15 AM • permalink

  129. and the chorus goes:

    Waltzing to Gitmo
    Waltzing to Gitmo
    Who’ll be waltzing to Gitmo with me?
    Jihadis who believe in the zionist-led conspiracy
    Are free to waltz to Gitmo with me.

    Tim’s quote above is representative of the left’s wider disconnect in understanding that this was a guy who left behind 2 young kids to train with al-Qaeda and was an active participant in Lashkar-e-Toiba activities. He also WENT BACK to Afghanistan after the US-led invasion. There are serious questions about his “innocence”.

    Was leaving him without charge for 5 years excessive? Maybe, considering that the War on Terror will probably not conclude for a generation. But lets separate that debate from the one which paints him as a lost soul looking for fun.

    BTW Hope KRudd will bring on that judicial investigation of Haneef. There are number of questions that need to be answered - about the role of the Minister in cancelling his visa as well as the exact nature and extent of the links between Dr H and his cousins.

    Maybe I will wait for that with baited breath. Oh hold on…probably shouldn’t do that as he is already dropping behind on promises to ratify Kyoto before the Bali meeting.

    :-)

    Posted by Shourik1 on 2007 12 02 at 12:31 AM • permalink

  130. #128

    It’s amazing the patience you all have. How many times have you gone through this argument just for the erudition of some blow-in smart arse whose agilprop sounds just like all those tiresome ones who have come and gone before him.

    unfortunately, that’s how it goes. Arguments- real political debates- need to be won not once, but over and over again, endlessly.
    If you stop the debate, if you say “we’re not going to answer, we already won that debate”, you’re like a swimmer that stops swimming.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2007 12 02 at 02:48 AM • permalink

  131. #73..Oh. My God.Eeeeuw, even.
    I have no words for Galloway.


    Yet.

    Posted by carpefraise on 2007 12 02 at 09:03 AM • permalink

  132. Daddy Dave (#130) has nailed it.
    The legal status of Mo Dawood has been argued, explained and justified over and over here on Tim’s blog. (do some research, ‘agile’, you dickhead)

    The Geneva Conventions are relatively simple documents, they provide protection for combatants and lay down some simple humanitarian “rules of war”.

    Mo Dawood is not, and never was a criminal, he is not, and never was, subject to a criminal court in any jurisdiction in the world. He is an “unlawful combatant” engaged in a war,  out of uniform, belonging to no recognised force, armed and opposing a legitimate military force, and It would have been entirely legal under the Conventions, to have shot him dead on the spot.

    That he wasn’t shot dead on the battlefield as he should have been and never heard of again is exceptionally lucky for Hicks, and I find it seriously appalling that he has become a cause celebre to many disconnected Australians. He is/was our enemy!

    If your son/daughter/wife/husband had been wearing an Australian military uniform in Afghanistan where Mo was based, he would have shot them dead as quick as he could have got a shot in.

    He definitely needs to be greeted as a hero when he is released from prison, having been ground under the heel of imperialist oppression for years, he will need some good mates to support him.

    I recommend the SAS barracks at Swanbourne, WA, or the RAR barracks at Holsworthy, NSW, as a venue for his release party.

    Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 12 02 at 09:03 AM • permalink

  133. #109, thanks 1.618, I have sent Mr H an email recommending he visit jihadwatch.org and dhimmiwatch.org and read their Islam 101 section.

    Posted by carpefraise on 2007 12 02 at 09:49 AM • permalink

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