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SNOW MEANS HEAT
Global warming protests cure global warming. Further scientific evidence of this phenomenon from Montreal, which lately was host to 10,000 global warm-mongers:
Record snowfall overnight forced the cancellation of 200 flights at Montreal airport, school closures and caused havoc on roads.
More than 41 centimetres of snow fell on Friday, Andre Cantin, a spokesperson for Canada’s meteorological service said.
The storm will go down in history as one of the biggest snowfalls in a single day in Montreal in December, beating a record of 37.8 centimetres (15 inches) on December 27, 1969.
Of course, warming can mean colder.
(Via Mospact)
Don’t you see? This is a weather extreme, which is a symptom of man-made climate change. As is warming and cooling. Or anything different, for that matter.
Fossil records and geologic evidence clearly show that before the arrival of man, the Earth’s climate was in a state of permanent stasis, with all weather activity falling into the category of “normal.” So-called “Ice Ages” and “Warm Periods” could not have existed without the contribution of man-made CO2.
One of the worst aspects of the global cooling trend of the 70’s was the tragic attempt to set teen sex comedies at ski resorts. Because, you know, nothing is sexier than a bunch of people in padded overalls with a big splotch of zinc cream on their noses.
At least global warming brought back the thong.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 17 at 11:16 AM • permalinkI so hate the politics of this stuff. Even if human CO2 creation is the driving factor in climate change (and it might be, whether it’s warming, or cooling), the lefty crowd was so damned sure of themselves that CO2 emissions would lead to global warming, rather than “climate change” they’re now having to switch gears to try to take retroactive credit for their doomsaying.
Of course, that’s what lefties do best—claim they told us so, whatever happens. Pick your Iraq scenario, or Afghanistan, or whatever, and they had it all figured out years ago.
Somehow, richard mcenroe, the words thong and Montreal just don’t belong in the same sentence.
The globel warmsters are, indeed, stupid. They could have had their big rally in some place like Hawaii or Baja, and that would have made sense, but nooooo.
On the other hand, if they’d had it in Hawaii or Baja, nobody would have had time to listen to the boring speeches, as everybody would have been on the beach.
RebeccaH — They could have held it in Death Valley in August, if they were into symbolism. Not sure even a green Democrat is that stupid…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 17 at 11:57 AM • permalinkEver try shovelling 41 cm of global warming out of your driveway?
Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2005 12 17 at 01:20 PM • permalinkThe global warming advocates are starting to sound like conspiracy theorists. Absence of evidence for the conspiracy is taken as proof that the conspiracy is operating; cold temperatures are taken as evidence of warming. And why aren’t they addressing the urgent problem of livestock flatulence, delicately referred to as “enteric fermentation” in this report?
For gods sake when are you going to give up on this one - Its cold today so global warming is crap thing.
We are talking about AVERAGE temperatures rising. There will always be cold times and warm times. There will still be cold regions and they will still get snow. Climatic extremes could also be more frequent. If the average class mark rises it does not mean that all marks in the class will be high - there will be low marks and high marks just when they are averaged the overall mark is higher.
AVERAGE temps are rising - saying this sort of thing over and over is just stupid.
#12, Ender -
No one is arguing that average temperatures are not changing. Average temperatures on Earth have been fluctuating for tens of thousands of years. The point is that this occurs naturally, and is not necessarily indicative of mankind being to blame.Posted by HisHineness on 2005 12 17 at 08:51 PM • permalinkAVERAGE temps are rising - saying this sort of thing over and over is just stupid.
Ender, people have pointed out that:
1. The earth warms and cools naturally, such as what happened 4000 years ago. Or the Medieval Warming Period.
2. There are other causes for global warming besides humans (e.g., the sun).
3. The definition of “average” that you’ve used in the past is but a small portion of the earth’s history, One definition that you’ve used anyhoo.
This has been said MULTIPLE TIMES. You. Don’t. Get. It.
“...saying this sort of thing over and over is just stupid.” Pot, kettle, black.
And a lot of the “data” that you post is simply wrong (e.g., your babbling on climatic computer models). All of THAT is stupid, as well.
So, just when are YOU going to stop preaching, and start to listen?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 17 at 09:05 PM • permalink#10 Mitch,
On other topice the global warming alarmists are the conspiracy theorists. There is a large overlap between them and the other lunatics of the left.#12 Ender,
We’ll stop using these demos against global warming in the midst of the worst snowstorm in ages to poke fun at the global warming alarmists when they stop yakking that every hot day in August proves, proves I tell you, that global temperatures are rising to the boiling point.I see I’ve been using italic tags fairly frequently lately. I do hope the budget will stand it. They are not as expensive as bold tags, are they?
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 12 17 at 09:49 PM • permalinkAhh ender, your back. I just want you to understand how highly I value your opinion
It is clear from your site that you are under some illusion that you are an educated intelectual, i even scence a fair bit of Narcissism in your writing, but upon closser inspecting your posts reflect a lack of originality and as The_Real_Jeffs has pointed out your opinion seems to be only be as good as the last book/article you read.
I asked you several times yesterday if you had a solution that was realistic, I even offered you one that I had found that I thought to be quite ingenious. http://www.ucar.edu/communications/staffnotes/0405/latham.html
The people that change the world are problem solvers, people original/realistic ideas and balls to match.
You are clearly just a whinger who wants to think he is bigger than he is.
Michael, I believe that Margo used only bolds, so the demand for italics was low, the supply good, and the costs low. Please, italicize away.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 17 at 10:06 PM • permalinkJack from Montreal — This was just a warning shot from Paul Martin to keep you buggers away from the polls…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 17 at 10:45 PM • permalinkSo, what if....
the Church of Kyoto gets it’s wish, and
global warmingclimate changehigher average temperatures is brought under control; by chance, just as the Earth enters a mini ice age event. Which, it turns out, would have been mitigated by global warming, to the extent that humans would suffer very little catastrophe.But, because of the enderites, millions die!
Hey, it could happen. You heard it here first.
#19
RM Nothing will keep me away from the polls.
Trust me - even a liberal minority govt will result in the breakup of Canada within 5 years.
Probably not a bad thing
Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2005 12 17 at 11:08 PM • permalinkSo, just when are YOU going to stop preaching, and start to listen?
Ahh, but don’t you know, Ender’s the impassionate scientist-kinda-guy, and we’re the fervently believing rubes. Because we’re, umm, not believing in the infallibility of his quasi-religious tracts, or something. Wait, how does this work again, Ender? (And will you be happy only when Andrea finally has enough of your obnoxious behaviour and pushes the red button? I almost suspect so.)
AVERAGE temps are rising - saying this sort of thing over and over is just stupid
Actually, a few appearances of yours ago, even you gave up on that claim after people nailed your ass to the wall (yet again), and backtracked to “the variance of temperatures is rising”. (That dreaded “every kind of climate change is bad” club that is so beloved by your type, and so justly ridiculed by ours.)
So yes, I guess even you agreed at that time that “saying this sort of thing” (namely that “average temperatures are rising") “is just stupid”. So you’re being stupid today, is that what’s your saying? Hey, that’s what we’ve been telling you all along! :)
Incidentally, I’m editing a friend’s essay on environmental economics (for a class of ours) right now. It includes such gems as “according to scientific simulations by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the sea level will rise between 9 and 88 cm until the year 2100”. That’s obviously straight from the consensus-heavy books that Ender loves so much (and I can’t blame my friend for including stuff like that, since that’s pretty much expected for that class), but if “it’s going to lead to either almost no change at all, or to absolutely catastophic change” isn’t the very definition of junk science, I don’t know what is.
Okay, posting spree over.
And a lot of the “data” that you post is simply wrong (e.g., your babbling on climatic computer models)
Yeah, that’s my favorite. When I pointed out to him the arrogance of thinking you could model the whole freakin’ biosphere, he sniffed something about not modelling all of it, just the relevant bits. As if weather wasn’t dependent on, well, the whole freakin’ biosphere. And the sun, too, for that matter.
So, what if....
the Church of Kyoto gets it’s wish, and global warming climate change higher average temperatures is brought under control; by chance, just as the Earth enters a mini ice age event. Which, it turns out, would have been mitigated by global warming, to the extent that humans would suffer very little catastrophe.
But, because of the enderites, millions die!
Hey, it could happen. You heard it here first.
Aw, c’mon, dude, I said that, like, five threads ago… ;-)
"For the record, cooling is bad. Warming is good. If there is a new Ice Age imminent (and judging by the records, there is), and if man-made CO2 causes warming, we have to keep it up. Mild winters in Canada is good. Canada buried under thirty feet of ice is bad (well, maybe not...)"
That’s one of the 13,458 issues Ender avoids addressing. Cuz it’s heresy.
Well, Ender’s latest post on his own blog fawns about “a Canadian proposal for countries to hold talks over the next two years to find ways of curbing greenhouse gas emissions.” Leaving aside the hilarious playing-to-type irony of Canadians proposing to hold talks, I hope they’re at least smart enough not to schedule the thing for Montreal in winter this time. :)
The_Real_Jeffs -
“ The earth warms and cools naturally, such as what happened 4000 years ago. Or the Medieval Warming Period.”
And as has been pointed out to you again and again yes the Earth does warm and cool naturally however we are ADDING a forcing on top of the interglacial. The carbon that we are releasing had been stored by the Earths systems and is now accumulating. Can you deny that CO2 is increasing - if I am reading from a script - you just give the answer on your script of - well the CO2 will not cause any harm. There is no evidence that the MWP was either global or warmer than today. Take some time to read the other side like Real Climate.
“ There are other causes for global warming besides humans (e.g., the sun).3. The definition of “average” that you’ve used in the past is but a small portion of the earth’s history, One definition that you’ve used anyhoo.
This has been said MULTIPLE TIMES. You. Don’t. Get. It. “
What the hell do you think is causing the warming?? More of the suns energy is being trapped by the extra CO2 - try to refute that one!!!! Just because you repeat skeptic bullshit multiple times does not mean that it is true. What you do not get that AGW is not a greenie conspiracy but a scientific theory that is provable by physical evidence. The average temperature is taken from temperature records from 1870 and can be averaged over 30 years, 10 years etc.“And a lot of the “data” that you post is simply wrong (e.g., your babbling on climatic computer models). All of THAT is stupid, as well.”
So how about you post all the data that I have got wrong or is that to time consuming?
You can run experiments on GCM to see what might happen. Try designing an airliner without computer models and see how you go.Mospact - “I asked you several times yesterday if you had a solution that was realistic, I even offered you one that I had found that I thought to be quite ingenious”
Yeah right - I cannot have an opinion on AGW without having the whole solution. And you can think what you like about my site - I just read a bit and try to learn.
Sure and your posts are original!!!!!! What a load of bullshit. Oh it is cold in Montreal so AGW is crap - yeah real original. You have not had a thought beyond the narrow minded right wing bullshit that is spouted on this site as ‘information’. Try to see a bit of the world beyond Fox news sometimes.
What you do not get that AGW is not a greenie conspiracy but a scientific theory that is provable by physical evidence. The average temperature is taken from temperature records from 1870 and can be averaged over 30 years, 10 years etc.
Total non-sequitur, unless you’re capable of separating the alleged effects of AGW from any and all possible explanations for non-anthropogenic global warming. The fact that even such simple logic escapes you is all the proof anyone needs that you don’t understand what the hell you’re talking about.
You’re a Believer™, Steve - just go ahead and admit it to yourself already. You’ll sleep a lot better without all the self-inflicted pangs of confusion, and we might just have the slightest bit more of respect for you if you finally stopped being in denial about yourself.
ok, but what is your solution to global warming/cooling (i’ll humor you and just let you pretend like your data is right) ender?.... you still haven’t given me a responce.
i’m think you are avoiding the question because your only function is to bitch.
common show me you have at least some sort of original thought. If your so keen to save the planet tell us all how?...
other wise shut the fuck up
Oh, and for an encore we’re getting a reprisal of the “everyone who watches Fox News is always wrong” nonsense, plus judicious use of the bang key.
Folks, if we keep this up we just might be able to reduce Ender to tears by day’s end. :) Not that I’m advocating such a thing, being the Compassionate Conservative that I am. Wait, I’m actually a Loathsome Libertarian, so nevermind.
Ahh, but don’t you know, Ender’s the
impassionatedispassionate scientist-kinda-guy, and we’re the fervently believing rubes. Because we’re, umm, not believing in the infallibility of his quasi-religious tracts, or something.Oops, my bad, PW! 8^D
Nice posts there.....I’ve decided that communicating to Ender is much like throwing sand at a brick wall. He misses key points, probably deliberately. For example, Ender sez:
What the hell do you think is causing the warming?? More of the suns energy is being trapped by the extra CO2 - try to refute that one!!!! Just because you repeat skeptic bullshit multiple times does not mean that it is true. What you do not get that AGW is not a greenie conspiracy but a scientific theory that is provable by physical evidence. The average temperature is taken from temperature records from 1870 and can be averaged over 30 years, 10 years etc.
Emphasis is mine.
If Mars is warming enough to melt it’s ice caps (which is what my original post linked), and there’s no industrial activity there, what is causing the warming? Collective farts from the VRWC? Ender quite neatly steps around that not-so-little point, and brandishes his “My CO2 thesis is more valid than physical evidence” rant. Could the sun be getting warmer? Certainly! Could this be adding to the heat on Earth? Certainly—but not if you listen to Ender.
I won’t go into the average temperature fiasco—you covered that nicely in #26. I’ll just point out that Ender remains in his endless do-loop, waiting for Mother Gaia to hit CTRL-C, and reward him for his faith in spite of endless persecution.
Sheesh—some people really are just stuck on stupid.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 18 at 12:50 AM • permalinkYeah right - I cannot have an opinion on AGW without having the whole solution.
The problem isn’t that you don’t have the whole solution, it’s that you don’t have any solution. At least not any that don’t include a “that’s where the magic happens" steps. You’re invariably off to fairytale la-la-land every time you’ve tried to propose a solution, full or partial, which is why you’re not even trying anymore. (I know it sucks that you’re being shot down every time you come here, but hey, nobody’s forcing you to be our bitch. Maybe you like it, I dunno.)
And you can think what you like about my site - I just read a bit and try to learn.
You’re failing miserably.
lol, it must be terible for ender being forced to realise that everything he belives is a lie, but you watch he’s stubbornn he’ll be in denile for a while but then the realisation that the earth is billions of years old and that 30year trends or even 10 year trends don’t even amount to anything.
Also ender #32 i don’t watch fox news (no pay TV) at all. i love that that is your fall back point, if someone doesn’t agree with you they must watch fox, maybe this more appropriatly shows that you have a built up bias and hence you are unwilling to even consider any view that in any way contradicts your own, even if it has real merit.
Oh, and it’s important to note that I repeat “skeptic bullshit” because observed facts do not support the results of the
religious dogmatheoriespreachedsupported by Ender. This is part of the scientific method.....something that Ender should brush up on. Especially given that the scientific method requires this:Once a hypothesis is repeatedly verified through experiment, it is considered to be a theory and new predictions are based upon it. Any erroneous predictions, internal inconsistencies or lacunae, or unexplained phenomena, initiate the generation and consideration of corrections or alternative hypotheses, which are themselves tested, and so on. Any hypothesis which is cogent enough to make predictions can be tested in this way.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 18 at 12:57 AM • permalinkalso ender #32 what post?..... there was no post, check out my site http://attentionbrick.blogspot.com/ and you show me where it is.
what i think you will find is that i made a comment that pointed out an very ammusing observation, if i may say so.
i’m not sure which one i would rather see you perish from, blistering heat or intence cold.... damit can’t i chose both
Oh, Ender’s grasp of the scientific method is illustrated by this gem from the previous thread:
“However you do not know that it is wrong and cannot prove that raised greenhouse gases will NOT cause climate change”
Kinda like a pompous film critic at a dinner party who bores you to tears, then at one point in the conversation says, “Citizen what, now?”
Since I’ve already linked one article by Megan McArdle, I might as well link another one. Well worth reading even three and a half year later, especially since it puts paid to Ender’s glib assertion from the other thread that it’s no big deal to cut back on emissions by 50%. And it’s coming from an economist by trade, to boot.
You can run experiments on GCM to see what might happen.
Ender, read #28 again.
Try designing an airliner without computer models and see how you go.
That sound you hear is every DC-3 and Lockheed Constellation in the air crashing to the ground all over the world at the irrefutable logic of the mighty Ender.
monkeyfan, I just read that Utnapishtim comment a few threads back. That cloak didn’t belong to Karl. Old Upta left it in the Tardis so it belongs to me. It’s made from luminous unicorn mane hair, it’s not like you can get that on Ebay. Unfortunately Karl has “borrowed it”. I want it back! He has to go to sleep some time.
And please don’t believe anything those Sumerian tablets said about that project. Gilgamesh is a notorious exaggerator and, in actuality, the Russian lake move was a complete success!
Posted by wronwright on 2005 12 18 at 01:20 AM • permalinkDOOMSCREAMER PRIEST [circa 1975]: Mankind is unclean! He will bring forth an Ice Age!
ENDERITE DRONE CHORUS: Cold is bad! Something must be done! Mock the unbelievers!
DOOMSCREAMER PRIEST [circa 1990]: Mankind is unclean! He will bring forth The Greenhouse Effect!
ENDERITE DRONE CHORUS: Heat is bad! Something must be done! Mock the unbelievers!
DOOMSCREAMER PRIEST [circa 2005]: Mankind is unclean! He will bring forth The Undefined Change Which Will Undoubtedly Be Bad!
ENDERITE DRONE CHORUS: Change is bad! Something must be done! Mock the unbelievers!
Remind me again how we RWDBs are mindless sheep who think what Karl Rove and Faux News tell us to think?
On that note...Wright brothers = early pioneers in computer-aided design? Who knew.
Sounds like Charles Babbage was more successful than history records. Sounds like a conspiracy to me!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 18 at 01:47 AM • permalinkSince ender does not provide solutions, I will.
Let’s get a super volcano going to throw up enough dust into the atmosphere to start cooling the Earth. How to do? Pop a few big nukes deep in the ground in Yellowstone and let ‘em rip. Okay Okay so most of the US gets clobbered but there are a few other to chose from , in Indonesia , New Zealand etc.
Economically easy to implement, lots of nukes lying around (buy ‘em from Russia) .....pity about the outcome but maybe if we model it enough we can predict with certainity what will happen.
Nuclear engineering. Sweeeeet.
Posted by The Big Fish on 2005 12 18 at 02:02 AM • permalinkSomeone told Ender:
Also ender #32 i don’t watch fox news (no pay TV) at all.
Doesn’t matter. You disagree with Ender, ergo you must watch Fox News. It’s his way of handwaving away inconvenient viewpoints.
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 12 18 at 02:57 AM • permalinkYesterday, on the ABC’s Science Show there was another classic in the same vein. They reported evidence of 700,000 year old human habitation in suffolk, England, pointing out that at the time, Suffolk and the rest of Northern Europe had a Mediterranean climate and fauna. Of course there was no comment about the fact that the world failed to end with northern Europe being so warm, just light-hearted guffawing that England once drew human immigrants to its warm climate. Yet THE VERY NEXT REPORT was about how agricultural activity was causing CO2 releases from the soil and resulting in climate change. No light-hearted guffawing this time. I think Orwell called it “doublethink”.
Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 12 18 at 03:49 AM • permalinkWhat you do not get that AGW is not a greenie conspiracy but a scientific theory that is provable by physical evidence.
If it’s a scientific theory, you can’t prove it. You can disprove it, or you can support it with confirming evidence, but by the very definition of a scientific theory it can never be proven.
So either (a) it is not provable or (b) it is not a scientific theory. Or (c) both.
A selection:
“If Mars is warming enough to melt it’s ice caps (which is what my original post linked), and there’s no industrial activity there, what is causing the warming?”The same things that have caused the past warming and cooling of the earth. What you seem to fail to note is that AGW is added to this warming. Natural and human warming are not mutually exclusive.
“I asked you several times yesterday if you had a solution that was realistic”
And I repeated again that the solution is beyond one person. Several people have proposed solutions - I have provided some for transport -however the solution, if there is one, is government action on a large scale to reduce greenhouse gases.“other wise shut the fuck up”
So what you are really saying here is “I do not have any scientific arguments so either agree with me or shut the fuck up. Why don’t you either read a bit about the real science behind global warming or shut the fuck up yourself.“(namely that “average temperatures are rising") “is just stupid”. So you’re being stupid today, is that what’s your saying? Hey, that’s what we’ve been telling you all along! :)”
http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Climate/Climate_Science/CliSciFrameset.html
part way down the page is the scientific analysis of global temperatures. You look at it and tell me it is not rising!!!“That sound you hear is every DC-3 and Lockheed Constellation in the air crashing to the ground all over the world at the irrefutable logic of the mighty Ender.”
That bullshit and you know it. Are you telling me that the modern relaxed stability fighter aircraft can be designed by pen and paper or an airliner like the 787. They are designed by computer and flown by computers - people tell them where to go.So you can all go back now to putting your hands over your ears and repeating “I’m not listening” over and over. As you say mission posters are annoying and this is probably the last you will hear of me.
That bullshit and you know it. Are you telling me that the modern relaxed stability fighter aircraft can be designed by pen and paper or an airliner like the 787. They are designed by computer and flown by computers - people tell them where to go.
How appropriate that an airplane metaphor of all things would be the final thing to go over your little head here, Ender. Dave was saying that your faulty logic ("airliners being designed on computers means that climate computer models are great, too") is so horribly bad that it could make planes crash, presumably out of embarrassment for being dragged into your moronic attempts at argument.
So you can all go back now to putting your hands over your ears and repeating “I’m not listening” over and over.
Snerk. You don’t know just how funny you sound when you’re projecting your own closedmindedness on us.
As you say mission posters are annoying and this is probably the last you will hear of me.
Hallelujah!
As you say mission posters are annoying and this is probably the last you will hear of me.
I recall him saying this before. I bet he’s back on the next
global warmingclimate change post.Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 12 18 at 07:40 AM • permalinkThe same things that have caused the past warming and cooling of the earth. What you seem to fail to note is that AGW is added to this warming. Natural and human warming are not mutually exclusive.
This is about the only thing I’ll agree with Ender on. What Ender keeps on ignoring is that the impacts of human activity relative to increased solar activity is probably minor.
In small words, the sun is much bigger and meaner than us nasty ol’ humans.
That’s my conclusion anyhoo, but then, I’m not a Gaia worshipper seeking to declare doom on humanity for our transgressions.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 18 at 10:32 AM • permalinkRebecca H wrote:
Somehow, richard mcenroe, the words thong and Montreal just don’t belong in the same sentence.
Apparently, you’ve never heard of Club Super Sexe
(BTW: The link is at worst PG-rated.)
Posted by Ted Schuerzinger on 2005 12 18 at 11:31 AM • permalinkThat bullshit and you know it. Are you telling me that the modern relaxed stability fighter aircraft can be designed by pen and paper or an airliner like the 787. They are designed by computer and flown by computers - people tell them where to go.
Yet another example of your complete lack of reading comprehension and logic. You said, “Try designing an airliner without computer models and see how you go.” I pointed out that there have been numerous airliners designed without computer models, and they have been flown quite successfully. So what the fuck exactly is “bullshit” about that?
Are you capable of thought?
"So you can all go back now to putting your hands over your ears and repeating “I’m not listening” over and over."
Now THAT’S funny. I’m going to go back to the earlier thread to see if you’ve yet addressed my question about the three contradictory theories of
global coolingglobal warmingclimate change. I’ve only asked you this question about forty times now.Here’s the question again, Ender.
That’s the same claim that was made in the ‘70s, when your lot said with 100% certainty that we were going to freeze, and in the ‘90s, when your lot said with 100% certainty that we were going to roast, and today, when your lot says with 100% certainty that we’re going to either roast or freeze or be kind of roasty-freezy or something bad for sure. And you have never - NEVER - in all of your bullshit in all of these threads ever answered that simple question of why we should believe people like you who are always 100% certain and then subsequently utterly contradict themselves we equal 100% certainty.
Answer it.
If Mars is warming enough to melt it’s ice caps (which is what my original post linked), and there’s no industrial activity there, what is causing the warming?
It’s the emissions from all those V8 engines on the Wahoomaloo Mars Rovers Tim bootlegged for the Australian Space Program…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 18 at 12:24 PM • permalink“it’s going to lead to either almost no change at all, or to absolutely catastophic change”
That’s pretty much why we don’t let wronwright dynamite the tree stumps on Our Dark Master Karl’s estate anymore…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 18 at 12:26 PM • permalinkReally, richard? I was holding out for the collective farts of the VRWC.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 18 at 12:27 PM • permalinkOr, as we called it in the movie version: “Dude, Where’s My Garage?”
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 18 at 12:33 PM • permalinkApparently, you’ve never heard of Club Super Sexe
Actually, no, I never had. But, not to denigrate Montreal’s nightlife, which I hear is spectacular, I was thinking more along the lines of weather.
What’s that noise? Is that Ender still bleating? Can’t you guys just offer him a lollypop, pat him on the head, and agree that the world is doooooomed by the Bad Humans, so he’ll go away?
Wronwright,
Yeah I check those there Sumerian gossip tablets from time to time, but tend to take what they carve with a pillar of salt. They’re like Uruk Izvestias or something…
Kudos on the lake job by the way.
Anyway, Luminous unicorn mane hair?
£2.25Ummmm...I’m pretty sure Master Rove is keepin’
URhis cloak.
;^)Do you see? Do you people SEE what I have to work with? I passed on a VERT CLEAR message from Our Dark Master Karl to drown Richard Branson so NASA could keep its space flight monopoly, and wronwright tries to drown Branson Missouri!
I’ll bet Kos doesn’t have these problems…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 18 at 02:24 PM • permalinkYet another example of your complete lack of reading comprehension and logic. You said, “Try designing an airliner without computer models and see how you go.” I pointed out that there have been numerous airliners designed without computer models, and they have been flown quite successfully. So what the fuck exactly is “bullshit” about that?
Ah, so my interpretation in #57 was too clever by half. Damn it, I’m starting to get dragged down to Ender’s level. :)
I’m not interested or willing to argue with anyone here who disputes that human-caused global warming is real. I just want to bet about it, for profit or for charity.
I’m very willing to discuss whether the bets are fair - I just request that people read them first and tell me WHY they aren’t fair.
Posted by schmidtb98 on 2005 12 18 at 11:17 PM • permalinkschmdtb98, average temperatures have risen and and fallen over time prior to large scale human activity and they will continue to do so. You’re not proving anything.
How about I bet you $1000 that the predicted climate change-caused armageddon doesn’t occur within the next 20 years?
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 12 18 at 11:50 PM • permalinkSounds great Art. As I’m sure you read the links, you will have noticed that I have 20-year bets. I’d prefer the charity bet, because then we don’t have to figure out how we can trust the other person to pay up if he loses. Go here and click on “Challenge This Prediction” (you’ll have to register, though), and we can start working out details.
Posted by schmidtb98 on 2005 12 19 at 12:10 AM • permalinkArt, post #74 is the sound of irony. Schmidt missed your point, completely. I think that might be intentional. It’s hard to say with Gaia Worshippers™.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 19 at 12:54 AM • permalinkJeffS, I think I’ll add humour to my list of things that the High Priests of Climate Change don’t understand (along with trifling things such as the scientific method, statistics, complex systems, and forecasting).
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 12 19 at 01:18 AM • permalinkAdd in computer modeling and economics, Art, and the list is essentially complete.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 19 at 10:36 AM • permalink
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You do get what’s called a population inversion, where the absolute temperature goes negative, and I suppose it leads to more snow even though it’s warming.