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Zacarias Moussaoui’s family blame English tolerance for turning their stupid son into a September 11 deathbot:
In the ultra-tolerant atmosphere that existed in London before the September 11 attacks, such “wayward” young Muslims were exactly the material being sought by radical Islamists.
Young men like Moussaoui were fed into the machine and emerged as hardline religious terrorists, primed for slaughter. His mother, Aicha al-Wafi, who along with her husband was born in Morocco, has echoed the complaints of the French counter-intelligence service, the DST, accusing the British authorities of being far too permissive in the years before 2001.
“I would say that England is responsible for many things because it allowed this fever to spread around the country,” she told the Canadian television channel CBC. “These young people go to England, and then they scream hatred and vengeance in front of mosques. They let the fever spread.” His brother, Abd-Samad, agreed: “I believe that Britain has fed a snake at its bosom, and has been bitten by the snake.”
Interesting theory.
UPDATE. It’s because he’s black:
The mother of admitted 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui is blaming France for not doing enough on her son’s behalf.
She also says his race and his color are partly to blame for the US jury’s decision to sentence him to life in prison for his role in the attacks.
Speaking from beyond the grave, executed Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh disputed this interpretation of Moussaoui’s sentence.
Does the term “personal responsibility” exist in the language of their land?
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 05 04 at 03:33 AM • permalinkBlair and Bush and maybe Howard did it to the poor thing.
Posted by stackja1945 on 2006 05 04 at 04:02 AM • permalinkUntil then, his family and friends agree, the young man had been full of smiles. He had gone to bars and drunk beer and had a French girlfriend, with whom he ultimately shared a flat. The couple even won a dance contest.
Root causes: Drinking, French women, House sharing or dancing? A dangerous combination for a young western man, but explosive for one of middle east origin.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 05 04 at 04:40 AM • permalink#8. Why on earth would the mosques be to blame? They are the houses of worship for the Religion of Peace, and would never, ever, countenance tolerance.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 05 04 at 05:10 AM • permalinkWell like practically all Muslims, together with our wretched lefties here at home, everything is always someone else’s fault….
Of course every thing wrong with the middle east, the weather patterns, injustices everywhere are the West and the US’s fault in general and GWB’s fault in particular…
Ask practically any Mussie or listen to an interview about 9/11 or suicide bombings in Israel etc and you just might get them to say its wrong, but as sure as day follows night, the next word out of their mouths is practically always “BUT”.....
yes ******** was wrong, BUT the Jooos did this first and force them to live like animals blah, blah, blah!
OK ********* is not good BUT the US forces these peopele to do respond blah, blah, blah!!!
u practically never, ever here anyone just accept something is wrong, or that some Mussies may be at fault… there is always some justification, or someone to blame for it…
Also what has the DTS (and the French Government for that matter) done to stem the tide of “wayward” young Muslims?......
Sarkozy seems to be the only one with some balls!
Mr Sarkozy said: “Like all the great democracies of the world, France must be able to choose the number of migrants that it welcomes, based on corresponding goals and conditions.”
Via LGF: (if you haven’t seen it already)
Ok this takes the cake
The French government is offering Zacarias Moussaoui the consular protection he deserves as a French national, but so far the al-Qaida conspirator has not asked for it, the French Embassy said Wednesday.
In a press communique, the embassy said it had dispatched the consul general from Washington and an embassy official to every session of the trial in US District Court at Alexandria, Virginia, south of Washington.
This is clearly some sort of French joke.
#15: Re - Consular services for Moussaoui.
I would say that this is completely normal under the circumstances. If an Australian citizen had have been in the same situation the Australian government would offer them the same consular services.
It wouldn’t normally extend to paying for legal aid and never to condoning the actions of the accused in a case like this. IMO it is just what countries do for their citizens, even people that despise everything the country stands for.
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2006 05 04 at 05:59 AM • permalinkDo these people ever take responsibility for their own actions?
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 05 04 at 06:27 AM • permalinkRe #19 - the prison shower scene just won’t happen. The punishment being meted out to Moussaoui is, in my view, inhuman.
#20 - please don’t dump on the jury. They did a great job. In the case of Moussaoui, solitary, solitary and even more solitary until he goes completely mad (and then some) will be purgatory. The only word to describe such inhuman punishment in this instance is, I believe, “EXCELLENT!!”
All the warders need to do is tell him “theres a little bit of me in every mouthfull” when they deliver his meals.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 04 at 06:59 AM • permalinkUntil then, his family and friends agree, the young man had been full of smiles. He had gone to bars and drunk beer and had a French girlfriend, with whom he ultimately shared a flat. The couple even won a dance contest.
Sounds pretty everyday. So where the bloody hell are all the Australian jihadis? What is the missing link? Hmmmmm ....Now comes the screaming horde of lunatic radicals demanding the “brother Moussaoui” be released by the filthy infidels, otherwise they will burn down embassies, behead a few people, start a few car fires etc.
In other words, just the normal behaviour of the Religion of Peace fanatics.
Moderate Muslims will condemn this behaviour of course. Oh wait . . .
If he wanted to die, they should have taken him out the back and shot him in the head. Short term martyr instead of a never ending excuse for riots, arson and murder.Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 05 04 at 07:26 AM • permalinkO/T
What is the feeling in Australia about Gordon Wood? Do people think he is guilty or innocent?
I knew him very well in the 80s/early 90s (I would have described him as a pretty close friend at the time) though I haven’t seen him since about 1994. Caroline Byrne was not in his life then (or at least he didn’t mention her to me). He was already working for Rivkin already but gave me the impression that he was working as a stockbroker – he mentioned nothing about the chauffeur thing.
He was a pretty friendly sort of guy and nobody could dislike him. He was a bit kooky, very intense (liked talking about feelings etc) but a killer – never. However, he seems to have said some pretty stupid things when questioned about his whereabouts on the night.
The SMH have stitched him up a treat. Puts all their high minded principles on David Hicks in an interesting light.
Posted by Effing & Blinding on 2006 05 04 at 07:27 AM • permalinkA snake? More like being bitten by a rabid meerschacht.
Posted by Paul Zrimsek on 2006 05 04 at 09:29 AM • permalinkLetting people who through the fault of their own culture don’t know how to take responsibility for their own lives - or those of their children, more correctly - into the multicultural experimental beaker that is modern Britain is asking for trouble.
Britain asked for trouble and Britain got trouble. So Britain is to blame. It doesn’t mean the stupid mother isn’t as well. It’s like compound interest. The dividend was paid on a July day.
The Zacarias Moussaoui’s, or Zarqawi’s, et al, don’t give two damns about the freedoms of the Western world, offer. In fact ‘they’ want them destroyed. ‘They’ gladly blame the Western world AND ISRAEL for ‘their’ wretchedness.
These ‘animal leaders’ by and far are not the ‘poor’ and ‘downtrodden’. ‘Their’ behavior is the fault of a vile 7th Century cult and the belief and practice of it, by yesterdays, todays and future Islamics, unless ‘they’ see the error of ‘their’ ways and that isn’t going to happen.
I truly hope that the Western world does NOT see kidnappings and beheadings from Moussaoui’s incarceration. Which may be, even though this sick ‘animal’ has been in custody for close to, if not over 5 years.
Worse yet, demonstrations for his freedom led by the likes of a Cindy Sheehan and her Leftist friends, here. Moussaoui, is now a cause celeb, Islamapsycho’s and Leftist “useful idiots” adore and live for the spotlight.
By the way, according to Fox News this A.M. the ‘Super’ Max, or ADX facility in the State of Colorado, is and has been the home to some 400 Al Qaeda for a while now.
Sorry Lefties, no ‘dark’ prisons in foreign lands from what investigation has shown, by people not exactly great friends of the U.S.
Instead you fools, we hid them here, in plain sight…that’s why you are known as “useful idiots”.
Britain has a bosom?
I’ll bet Britain has a nicer bosom than France.
Maybe not. Anyone have an opinion on this?
Posted by Bill Spencer on 2006 05 04 at 10:21 AM • permalinkThe last two paragraphs of the Telegraph story were news to me, I must admit.
Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2006 05 04 at 10:31 AM • permalinkCliff Notes version of Aicha al-Wafi’s comments: “I blame the government!!!!”
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 05 04 at 11:04 AM • permalinkA reaction from the Left to Moussaoui.
“These jurors understood that for this country to kill a terrorist for his ideas, hopes, and dreams is not much different than the terrorist’s desire to come here and kill us for ours.”
Complex Martyr
The Zacarias Moussaoui jurors split the difference.
By Dahlia Lithwick
Posted Wednesday, May 3, 2006, at 8:25 PM ETDear Officer Krupke….
He is now a living martyr to the anti-american cause. I imagine Cindy Sheehan is preparing a marriage proposal, Zarqawi is picking out the journalist to kidnap for a prisoner exchange, and every leftist organization across the globe is donating money to the legal cause to Free Moussaui!
As annoying as the blame-shifting is, I’m intrigued by the argument that a more authoritarian West (authoritarian in a non-Koranic way, that is) would be better at curbing the spread of radical Islamism. I mean, it’s basically the strong horse theory dressed up a different way, but it’s interesting to see a Muslim say it.
I support the death penalty in certain well-researched, fairly tried cases. In this case, I’m glad Moussaoui got life without parole. It has to be the most painful sentence he could get, given his desire to become a famous martyr. Instead, he gets to sit in a concrete cell for 23 hours a day for the rest of his stupid, miserable, crazy life. Family history says he’ll be talking to the walls in no time.
If the Islamoleft want to start up a “Free Moussaoui” movement, bring it on. The only counter argument anyone will need is a poster showing two tall buildings on fire.
Hmmm.
Why on earth would the mosques be to blame? They are the houses of worship for the Religion of Peace, and would never, ever, countenance tolerance.
I’m very sorry but I’m stealing this line. It’s just too good a one-liner to not re-use at some point.
Posted by memomachine on 2006 05 04 at 11:39 AM • permalinkRebecca, I agree. I think that execution is too good for him.
Do you remember the Susan Smith case? The one where the mother drowned her own children in order to win her boyfriend’s affections? (And blamed the children’s disappearance on a black carjacker?) The jury in her case thought about giving her the death penalty, but instead opted for life in prison. Their reason was interesting: they wanted her to just go away. That showed a lot of savvy about how today’s media-saturated world works: every day leading to the woman’s execution would be another opportunity for the media to review the case, to put a spotlight on the town, to whip up sympathy for a cold-blooded murderess. Much better to lock her in a cell and let her rot.
Likewise with Moussaoui. There will come a day, ten or 20 or 30 years from now, when our boy, having scanned every crack in cell’s floor and every scratch on its bars for the ten thousandth time, will realize how the cruelty and folly of what he’d meant to do has recoiled upon himself. And he’ll realize that for all his mortal days he will have nothing more than those selfsame cracks and scratches.
Much better to lock him in a cell and let him rot.
Posted by Urbs in Horto on 2006 05 04 at 11:52 AM • permalinkWhat did Mama Moose expect: a suspended 30 day sentence and a few hundred hours of community service work? Then maybe a first-class plane ticket back home? I think he ought to have been impaled on the spire of the Chrysler Building, but life in prison may turn out to be an even worse punishment; he’ll probably wind up being married to the guy with the most cigarettes.
The reasoning supporting imprisonment over a death sentence is horribly flawed. In the United States, it’s true that many of those who receive prison sentences become lifers whose noteriety and ‘Q’ factor diminish over time. However, changes in the media and the ascendancy of pressure groups that champion just such cases will guarantee that this case is not over. As long as he’s alive, there will be more appeals. The fact that some of the jurors questioned his actual level of participation is a likely bet for appeal #1. The Innocence Project trumpets several cases as being revelations that were actually only the granting of a new trial or penalty hearing. Prosecutors then had to decline pursuing charges, since evidence had been lost or destroyed, or witnesses had passed or were not willing to testify.
In short, there’s still people who think that the Rosenburgs were innocent, and/or martyrs. But, they’re not able to pass any more secrets, or lead any other protests. They were instead executed.
Most do not regard the Rosenbergs as innocents. Just low level agents, who acted out of misguided love of communism and hatred of Nazi germany.
Klaus Fuchs who received omly a light sentence is said to have released far more elaborate and sensitive information to the Russians. Certainly Ethel’s execution was to say the least controversial.
They did not act out of a rabid hatred of America and desire to kill Americans unlike
Moussaoui.
But hey, things have changed in the last sixty years and they would have probably received a ridiculuosly light sentence today.#28 Effing and Blinding
We will have to wait and see what happens in court - and read the inevitable book/s.
I am pretty sure the police wouldn’t have arrested and extradited him if they weren’t very sure of a conviction.
I think her parents are convinced he had something to do with her death.
Remember, Offset Alpine,
firearson, Insurance Claim, MILLIONS of dollars. Hopefully it will all out in the court case.#36—Cid (or do you prefer El?)—I’m gratified to see that a senior editor at Slate opposes hate crime laws.
My gut reaction to the sentence was anger and disappointment, but on reflection, and knowing that he’ll spend what remains of his earthly existence at Son of The Rock, I’m very pleased with the jury’s decision. It’s a long, ardous process to execute anyone in the US (Timothy McVeigh was quite the exception). It can take decades and, when all is said and done, costs us far more than life w/o parole. And the endless appeals would have kept Moussaoui forever in our faces. So, I give the jurors a big “well done” (even while not buying into that crap about his “difficult” childhood).
[Moussaoui’s mother] says she shares “the suffering and the pain of the parents of the victims. I’m with them.”
Well, in that case, let’s put her in a room full of victims’ parents and see what ensues.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 05 05 at 12:53 PM • permalink
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The Car-B-Q watching french counter-intelligence service are complaining about other countries tolerating bad behaviour?
My irony meter just blew out. I got nothing.