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Tilty twosome Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon state their usual case during John Howard’s Washington visit:
Ms Sheehan, who will be in Australia next week, told reporters afterwards that Mr Howard and Mr Bush were “fools”.
“I am going to be rallying the Australian people, who I know are overwhelmingly against George Bush and this war.
”Quit supporting my country and supporting crimes against humanity. You don’t spread peace by killing people.”
Sarandon concurred. “Stop supporting Bush and the war crimes,” she said.
Okie dokie. In the same Sydney Morning Herald report:
Until yesterday, Summer Lipman did not know Australia was involved in Iraq.
She knew that her son, Steven Sirko, planned to go there for a holiday when his tour of duty in Iraq finished. “He always talked about it,” she said.
Strange how these anti-war folks remain so unaware of the war’s details; as Tim Dunlop reported in 2004, after attending a John Kerry fundraiser: “Not one person knew of Australia’s involvement.” Yet the same people will confidently assert, based on fragments of information, that the war is a complete disaster. More from the SMH’s Phillip Coorey:
As the Prime Minister, John Howard, spends the week in Washington reaffirming Australia’s support for the war, Ms Lipman’s story, and that of the other 2400 mothers who have lost their sons in Iraq, is beginning to loom large in the US.
An outright lie. Only the stories of those who oppose the war loom large. Parents who support the war—a considerable, possibly even majority number among parents of war dead—find their stories rarely told. Ever heard of John Prazynski? No? Neither has Coorey, who evidently assumes every parent of a fallen soldier shares Sheehan’s views. Coorey continues:
They present a slant to the conflict not apparent in Australia, which has suffered only one death.
Yep. Never heard of any anti-war movement in the US down here. Especially not in the SMH.
Speaking to the Herald after addressing a Mother’s Day anti-war rally outside the White House, Ms Lipman was shocked to discover Australia was also involved and implored Mr Howard, of whom she had never heard, to get the troops out.
This is grotesque. Quoting her amounts to exploitation.
You mean there is an actual place called Australia? Why am I just hearing about this now?! Outrageous!
Posted by Marin Republican on 2006 05 15 at 02:41 PM • permalinkForget OZ, you two. You need to visit Florida whilst the Gators are feasting on…3 women.
Gators 3 Women 0. Now this really isn’t sexist, what it is, is (damn bill clinton) these 3 women, evidently were stupid like, you two women.
Now the gators probably aren’t discerning the difference between the sexes, as this could have just as easily happened to 3 stupid men, like…michael moore, tim robbins and alec baldwin…but it didn’t, so cindy, susan…go to Florida.
“Quit supporting my country and supporting crimes against humanity. You don’t spread peace by killing people.”
Ummm using the word ladies, advisedly, do those words include;
Florida teen’s massacre called ‘gift from Allah’
Terror leaders threaten Americans, hope boy, 16, ‘goes directly to hell’?
WorldNetDailyOR
It is estimated that 98-181,000 people have died since March 2003 in the conflict-affected area of Darfur and eastern Chad. Excluding an expected “normal” base mortality total of 35,000 deaths for this population, 63-146,000 “excess” deaths can be attributed to violence, disease, and malnutrition because of the conflict. ?
Bureau of Intelligence and ResearchNot sure where Australia is since I was taught geography in America, but they sure have strange customs. This sent by a mate in OZ this morning.
A Chinese man decides to move to Australia after 50 years of living in Shanghai. He buys a small piece of land near the outback. A few days after moving in, the friendly Aussie neighbour decides to go across and welcome the new guy to the region. So he goes next door, but on his way up the drive-way, he sees the Chinese man running around his front yard chasing about 10 hens. Not wanting to interrupt this “Chinese custom”, he decides to put the welcome on hold for the day.The next day, he decides to try again, but just as he is about to knock on the front door, he looks through the window and sees the Chinese man urinate into a glass and then drink it. Not wanting to interrupt another “Chinese custom”, he decides to put the welcome on hold for yet another day.
A day later he decides to give it one last go, but on his way next door, he sees the Chinese man leading a cow down the drive-way, pause, and then put his head next to the cow’s bum. The Aussie bloke can’t handle this, so he goes up to the Chinese man and says “What the hell is it with your Chinese customs? I come over to welcome you to the neighbourhood, and see you running around the yard after hens. The next day you are pissing in a glass, and drinking it, and then today you have your head so close to that cow’s bum, it could just about shit on you.”
The Chinese man is very taken back and says “Sorry Sir, you do not understand, these aren’t Chinese customs I am performing, but Australian customs.”
“What do you mean mate” says the Aussie, “Those aren’t Australian customs.”
“Yes they are”, replied the Chinese man, “for you see, in order for me to become a true Australian, I must Chase Chicks, Drink Piss, and listen to Bull-shit
“Quit supporting my country and supporting crimes against humanity. You don’t spread peace by killing people.”
Actually, this pretty much sums up the left-liberal ideas for defending Western civilization against jihadi Islamist terrorism. “Sew faster ladies, sew faster. We’ll show ‘em”.
(please note: “ladies” could just as well be applied to the allegedly male members of the left; I mean, is there a difference?)
Posted by wronwright on 2006 05 15 at 04:30 PM • permalinkCan’t find the link, sorry, but my favourite Susan Sarandon story was when she came to Australia a couple of years ago.
She wanders into a bakery with a minder and points to a muffin/slice/cake-thing and asks whether it was low in calories.
The girl behind the counter looks at her and says ‘if you’re worried about the calories in that you’ve got problems’.
Champagne stuff. Code Pink and their ilk will not find widespread support in Australia.
They rail against so-called American imperialism, yet suffer from the same affliction in spades because they don’t understand Australian culture and mindset.
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 05 15 at 04:55 PM • permalink“Quit supporting my country and supporting crimes against humanity. You don’t spread peace by killing people.”
Uh, then tell jihadist Muslims to stop flying planes into buildings, kidnapping Christians and beheading them on TV, jailing Egyptian bloggers, blowing up Australians on vacation in Indonesia and terrorizing the Iraqi people who basically want to be left alone.
Until THEY stop their killing innocent men, women and children, we’re not gonna stop BOMBING them back to 500 BC.
They can take their virgins and shove them!
Point 1. It’s easy to understand why she didn’t realize Australia has troops in Iraq. The whole thing was a unilateral move by the United States, so by definition, there was no one else involved. Of course, that point of view doesn’t stand up well to close inspection. And neither do many of the other positions and opinions people of her ilk hold dear.
Point 2.
You don’t spread peace by killing people.
Well, there’s peace and then there’s “peace”. I prefer peace to killing, no doubt about it. But I prefer killing that leads to justice and progress over “peace” that simply preserves the abominable status quo.
Quoth La She-hag:
You don’t spread peace by killing people.
I guess she’s okay with the kind of “peace” that comes from letting people die.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 05 15 at 06:05 PM • permalinkUntil THEY stop their killing innocent men, women and children, we’re not gonna stop BOMBING them back to 500 BC.
Since they have been firmly entrenched in 500 BC from Day One, this is not much of a threat.
Question for my fellow Yanks: are you as offended as I am that these two traitorous bitches keep referring to my country?
With that jaw, Sigourney Weaver thinks the rest of the US is too manly?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 15 at 08:02 PM • permalink“peace” is not the absence of war, but rather the inability of other people to do you harm.
Imassie @ 10
A guy walks into a bar in Alaska and asks the bartender how you become a citizen of Alaska. The bartender says you have to do the following:
Drink a gallon of whiskey
Kill a bear
Make love to an Eskimo womanThe guy says fair enough and chugs down the gallon of whiskey. He then stumbles out of the bar. About a week later he crawls into the bar bleeding and ripped to shreds.
“OK, now where is this Eskimo woman I gotta kill.”
RebeccaH
Question for my fellow Yanks: are you as offended as I am that these two traitorous bitches keep referring to my country?
Yes I’m offended, BUT it just may be their country be default, if centrists and right minded people in a snit, stay home in 2006 and 2008, thinking that THAT strategy will teach ‘someone’ a lesson. Unfortunately that ‘someone’ IS the center and the right.
“You don’t spread peace by killing people.”
I’m a medium. Franklin Delano Roosevelt begs to differ.
I don’t suppose that either Dubya or Howard are worried about being called fools by certifiable lunatic Cindy “US out of occupied New Orleans” Sheehan. That phrase always puzzled me. Even a lunatic should have known better than to use it. What was her gripe? Was she protesting against General Ben Butler and the abolitionist occupation policies the US Army put into effect there? It’s a long time since 1862, but maybe she is still riled up about that.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 05 15 at 08:42 PM • permalinkHmmm - sounds like we could be the ideal new location for a “Gitmo Bay”. Tasmania has some experience in these matters although we’d need to oil the locks and dust off the racks.
What a shame someone didn’t tell them something like “not only that there is reason to believe Aust has 17,000 undercover SAS troops in Iraq sub-contracted to Halliburton” They would have bought that hook line and sinker.
Posted by the nailgun on 2006 05 15 at 09:11 PM • permalinkSheehan and Sarandon, competing against Jane Fonda for Traitorous Bitch Of The ation™. I have to wonder what’s next, a covert insertion into Iraq to provide Saddam Hussein with conjugal privileges?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 05 15 at 09:14 PM • permalinkThey present a slant to the conflict not apparent in Australia, which has suffered only one death.
Actually this is probably proportionate with US deaths given our much smaller troop numbers which demonstrates how LOW the death toll has been and how WELL the war has been going and run.
Posted by the nailgun on 2006 05 15 at 09:18 PM • permalinkIt’s very useful to have the US helping us clean out the Islamofascists responsible for Bali, and killing those Australians lost in the WTC on 9/11. Frankly, we’d be unable to win the war in less than centuries without it.
The Septic Sheehan and Sarondon have probably never heard of Bali, of course.
Meanwhile here’s a grieving mother, whose son was killed in Iraq, talking about George Bush immediately after meeting him :
“I now know he’s sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis”...“I know he’s sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he’s a man of faith.”
Peace is that still moment while everyone pauses to re-arm.
I remember a comic strip from some decades ago, where a preacher was trying to convert a Western gunfighter. The preachers says, “You should put down your guns and become a man of peace.” The gunfighter replies, “I am a man of peace.” Preacher: “Why you’ve put two dozen men in BootHill (the cemetery) up yonder.” Gunfighter: “Yeah. When they showed up they was as mean and ornery as heck. Now they’re real peaceful.”I’m with the gunfighter.
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 05 15 at 09:41 PM • permalink“I am going to be rallying the Australian people, who I know are overwhelmingly against George Bush and this war.”
Australians will grit their teeth at this condescending and stupid comment and she will lose most people simply by saying it, whether or not they agree with the war in Iraq. We dont need ageing Hollywood actresses and frauds to ‘rally’ us thank you, we can rally ourselves quite nicely if we choose. She obviously thinks we’re so dumb that we need her to explain the war and why we should be against it. Good start, Cindy.
She ‘knows’ that Australians are ‘overwhelmingly’ against GB and the war - really? How does she ‘know’ that? It is not a popular war, but I havent noticed that Australians are ‘overwhelmingly’ against it. Maybe she should spend more time thinking about the true facts - ie, that her son volunteered to go to Iraq and for the mission on which he died. I hope somebody mentions it to her, she obviously chooses to disregard the truth in many areas.
I feel like I owe all my acquaintances in Oz a huge apology. It is hard not to take on an unearned guilt because of those over whom we have no control. They may be fellow citizens, but they are not fellow travelers. I know that you understand the problem, however, having read the idiotarian works of some of your fellow citizens (if you don’t mind a brief resurrection of that term).
There just seems to be no end to the putrification that oozes out of the brains of these people.
I’m just a Midwestern Yankee, so I can’t speak for the Australians around here- but if OZ is overwhelmingly against the war, then how the hell did John Howard get into office?
Oh, right, I’m being logical again. Excuse me while I put on my Conspiracy Hat . . .
It was a FRAUD! He stuffed ballot boxes with oil funds and oppressed women, all to cover up his connections with the Judeo-Christian anti-religion movement which is blatantly oppressing the oppressed noble indigenous desert Arab culture, which despite oppression has so many rich and fulfilling things to tell us about peace and the value of judgement and rebellion against oppression . . .
. . . God, I feel wrong for writing that.
But seriously, folks, I hope that people don’t start taking these Hollywoodite [EXPLETIVE DELETED]s as real representatives of the American people. If I didn’t know better, I’d say that Sheehan, Sarandon and the rest were going out of their way to actually produce the international anti-US feeling that they’d so desperately love to have.
Sigourney Weaver, though, I’ll grant a temporary reprieve for. She was good in Aliens. Until Sarandon gets off her duff and actually does a good piece of acting, though, her name is officially Mud.
Posted by Tungsten Monk on 2006 05 15 at 10:27 PM • permalinkShe ‘knows’ that Australians are ‘overwhelmingly’ against GB and the war - really? How does she ‘know’ that? It is not a popular war, but I havent noticed that Australians are ‘overwhelmingly’ against it.
Mom Sheehan came to the same conclusion after a flying visit to Toronto, recently, speaking for the whole of Canada, which had just elected a conservative minority government, most inconveniently. Of course, it’s easy to speak for “the people” when you’re convinced that you’re essentially better than them.
Posted by rick mcginnis on 2006 05 15 at 10:37 PM • permalinkAnyone have a link on whos funding this excercise in self abuse??
“Talking to you is like masturbating with a cheesegrater, a little amusing but mostly painfull”Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 15 at 11:21 PM • permalinktungsten monk — Where can I get MY box of oppressed women?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 16 at 12:44 AM • permalinkMay they do for Australia and John Howard what the gallant correspondents of the Grauniad did for Ohio and George W. Bush.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 16 at 02:01 AM • permalinkThe surname isLipford, not Lipman. Google it to check.
When I think of Sheehan and Sarandon, the words “desperately clinging” come to mind. Can’t imagine why.
As they spoke, Ms Lipman shuffled off, the grief all too much. She was comforted by her friend Georgia Stilwell, from Wisconsin. Ms Stillwell’s son Robert, 20, came home from Iraq. But she said he is so mentally damaged that he is now jobless and homeless.
I regret that Robert is experiencing the ill effects of armed combat and hope he gets himself some help with that, but, in the meantime, can’t Ms Stillwell please offer him shelter in her home? Whaddya say, Mom?
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 05 16 at 02:29 PM • permalinkRebeccaH/22
Question for my fellow Yanks: are you as offended as I am that these two traitorous bitches keep referring to my country?
El Cid /27
Yes I’m offended, BUT it just may be their country be default, if centrists and right minded people in a snit, stay home in 2006 and 2008, thinking that THAT strategy will teach ‘someone’ a lesson. Unfortunately that ‘someone’ IS the center and the right.
Even if that doesn’t happen, it’s still their country, in the sense of them being from here, from the USA that is, and in the sense of this being the country where one has the right to be wrong. The first such country, and for a long time the only one.
Stupid (and dishonest and otherwise obnoxious) dissent is the price we pay for the right to dissent. Reason that’s valuable is because it allows a wider variety of ideas (including stupid, dishonest, and otherwise obnoxious ideas) to stay in wider circulation for longer. That way, just in case any good ideas are amongst them, they have a better chance of getting detected and acted on. Over the long run, this may be paying off, but I sure don’t know how to prove it.Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 05 16 at 08:51 PM • permalink
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