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SITUATION PREDICTABLE

A quote:

I knew how that situation would end. I didn’t know how the book would end.

Sans context, no big deal. In context, however, one of the finest quotes of the year.

Posted by Tim B. on 06/07/2007 at 04:06 AM
  1. Move over “sod of swampy” we have a new champion!

    That tickles me in places a feather (or chicken) could never reach.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 06 07 at 04:14 AM • permalink

  2. What I can’t understand, is why in a post-9/11 world, the entire Goddamned passenger list, wasn’t queuing up to jump on the guy’s throat.

    I would have been at the front of the line.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2007 06 07 at 04:28 AM • permalink

  3. #2 - When we can link terrorism to global warming they’ll start caring. Then again they probably won’t.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 06 07 at 04:32 AM • permalink

  4. I knew how that situation would end. I didn’t know how the book would end.

    Reading that, my thoughts jumped immediately from “which book?” to “it must be the Quran”.

    Thank God for the very best of training and a whole lot of switched-on attitude on the part of the flight attendant and her two impromptu deputies. I still can’t help wondering, though, about which book and how it will end?

    Posted by splice on 2007 06 07 at 05:33 AM • permalink

  5. Er, how will it end?

    Posted by splice on 2007 06 07 at 05:35 AM • permalink

  6. #4 The wise woman was reading “The Richest Man in Babylon is a book by George Samuel Clason which dispenses financial advice through a collection of parables set in ancient Babylon”

    Gee I love google.  One can sound so wise and omnipotent.

    Posted by missred on 2007 06 07 at 05:44 AM • permalink

  7. That is so cool. I think the old shakespere line of “and hold their manhood cheap” should apply to any man under their ages who sat back and did nothing though.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 06 07 at 05:52 AM • permalink

  8. It’s such a flip-flop thing. You like to go along smoothly, trying not to offend anyone. Then provocation comes along and before you know it that Scots-Irish Scandinavian bloodline asserts itself and you are getting stuck into someone - who richly deserves it, of course!

    Posted by blogstrop on 2007 06 07 at 06:01 AM • permalink

  9. Jeez we suck (he says apologizing on behalf of the next generation).  But the younger generation really sucks and the youngest generation, really, really sucks (he says pridefully, only to realize he’s sucking even more now...). Anyway, all the elements of a great story: 1) I feel my inadequacy 2)But I’m on the right side of things and we (I mean they) kick ass 3) Cool chick.

    Posted by tosa on 2007 06 07 at 06:19 AM • permalink

  10. Sorry, that should read “3) Cool Grandma.”

    Posted by tosa on 2007 06 07 at 06:22 AM • permalink

  11. Gee I love google.  One can sound so wise and omnipotent.

    I’ve actually read the book. Several times, actually. So, nyaaaagh!

    LOL

    I always found that the bit where the young poor bloke watching the rich merchant in the inn, wolfing down a nice greasy leg of goat, always makes me really hungry! Which is kind of strange; I’ve actually eaten leg of goat, and it’s pretty ordinary…

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2007 06 07 at 06:23 AM • permalink

  12. So maybe now you young guys will show a bit of respect for us wrinklies, eh? eh?

    Posted by Skeeter on 2007 06 07 at 06:50 AM • permalink

  13. It’s those Sheiks On a Plane Again!
    I blame those “human rights” people:
    Moreover, who decides which “human rights” should take precedence? If you say that free migration should be a universal human right, you trample on the right of the peoples at the receiving end of mass immigration to preserve their cultural heritage. More explicitly, should Muslim nations be allowed to dump their unsustainable population growth in the West? Since they tend not to respect human rights because they frequently conflict with sharia, allowing them to undermine countries that do respect individual rights means that human rights will become a tool for undermining democratic nations in favor or authoritarian ones, precisely the opposite of what was originally intended.
    Full Article here
    Also some disturbing stories there about Somali Pirates taking a Danish ship, and the West’s inability to deal with them under crap Rules Of Engagement.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2007 06 07 at 06:50 AM • permalink

  14. When nearly 80 year old Holocaust survivor Liviu Librescu became a hero during the Virginia Tech shooting a few months ago, Mark Steyn wrote an article about the culture of passivity which is very relevant here.

    (Media Weenies whine about him to task here.)

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2007 06 07 at 07:28 AM • permalink

  15. #11 I will just have to put it on my summer reading list!  However, I will stick with the goat cheese.

    Posted by missred on 2007 06 07 at 07:33 AM • permalink

  16. I know how they feel. I am tempted also to rush the front of a plane when I’m flying Jetstar and the 18year old hostess is reading the script without one vocal chord moving and the sinuses are propelling the sound through her squeeky thin nostrils.

    All this while Casey Chambers or Missy Higgins are droning away from the public speakers 18” from my ears.

    Thank God for the seatbelt and my wife’s firm hand of restraint.

    Posted by Macosghair on 2007 06 07 at 07:50 AM • permalink

  17. Thank god for those two fellows.

    And as has been said above how embarrassing for us younger folks that it was left to them to do something about it.

    Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2007 06 07 at 08:08 AM • permalink

  18. "So, basically, a couple of grandfathers took care of the situation."

    Unfortunately, our present-day society teaches and values pacifism, and in every way intended and unintended, denigrates patriotism and self-reliance and self-defense.  Hence the grandfathers doing what the young men would not do.

    I admire the marriage that the Haydens must have.  Everyone should aspire to that level of faith and trust.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 06 07 at 08:08 AM • permalink

  19. Bravo for these fellows! The equivalent of ordinary townspeople who saw a job to be done and did it.

    Er, where were the air marshalls, by the way?

    Posted by paco on 2007 06 07 at 08:48 AM • permalink

  20. O/T,

    the arse spelunker Keating is on Lateline ranting about the rotten state the country is in.

    Poor old Aunty must be getting desperate. Whenever she feels the wind is shifting she drags out the Grim Reaper to re-address the balance.

    DUMB BITCH.

    Posted by Pogria on 2007 06 07 at 08:55 AM • permalink

  21. #20

    Now THAT was funny.

    He gave the Labor organisation and unions a terrible bollocking.

    Laborites will be spitting chips by the gross and this piece in The Bulletin won’t help at all.

    Posted by Jack Lacton on 2007 06 07 at 09:08 AM • permalink

  22. One told Hayden the man had said, “Your lives are going to change today forever,” as he shouted and refused to take his seat before takeoff and at various times during the nearly three-hour flight. He said that at one point the man lay on his back and was screaming, moaning, and thrashing on the floor.

    On reading the article, my second thought was “what the fuck was the airline doing allowing this tosser to stay on the plane?  They should have kicked him out before takeoff.”

    Posted by entropy on 2007 06 07 at 09:08 AM • permalink

  23. Refused to take his seat for takeoff?  Carried on like a pork chop?

    If I was the captain he wouldn’t have been aboard for takeoff!

    THAT is the time when state troopers should have come aboard & taken him into custody.

    Posted by Steve at the pub on 2007 06 07 at 09:25 AM • permalink

  24. Those old dudes never vacationed in Costa Rica by any chance?  Why do I get the feeling the AARP is actually a front organization for CURE?

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 06 07 at 09:26 AM • permalink

  25. Any info on the ethnicity of the guy? It’s not mentioned anywhere the I can see.

    Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 06 07 at 09:33 AM • permalink

  26. Huzzah for the old gents!

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 06 07 at 09:34 AM • permalink

  27. "Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.”

    “Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight.”

    “Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time."

    -General George Patton-

    Well, back in his generation anyway.  What the hell is happening with the “wussification” of our country?  At least when this latest generation of ass kickers get back from the middle east maybe we can reclaim a little of Patton’s attitude.....

    /feeling a touch embarrassed for my generation

    Posted by Old Tanker on 2007 06 07 at 09:44 AM • permalink

  28. I would like to find the name of the retired Semper Fi captain....Bravo to you, Bob Hayden. Bravo to both of you.

    Uhhhh, Mrs. Hayden, don’t care about your age, but you my dear lady, are one cool chick.

    Terrible, when you seemed to had a ready supply of young metrosexual males who would have been first in line, had you offered Starbucks Mocha, HOLD the fight and hold operation, of course.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 06 07 at 10:02 AM • permalink

  29. ThinandBritish—With the thrashing on the floor and screaming, he’s either a Muslim, a three-year-old, or a Starbucks customer…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 06 07 at 10:07 AM • permalink

  30. ...or all three.

    Posted by ErnieG on 2007 06 07 at 10:18 AM • permalink

  31. Hmmmmm..... Go here and search for “ethnicity”:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1845886/posts

    Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 06 07 at 10:18 AM • permalink

  32. I take that back. Pick any two.

    Posted by ErnieG on 2007 06 07 at 10:19 AM • permalink

  33. And another question. If they had been white, would they have been allowed to stay on the plane before takeoff?

    Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 06 07 at 10:22 AM • permalink

  34. #33 ThinAndBritish

    You really don’t need an answer to that do you?

    Posted by Old Tanker on 2007 06 07 at 10:51 AM • permalink

  35. I just got off the phone with Robert Hayden, the heroic subject of today’s Boston Globe article, “Graying Duo Keep Passenger in Check”. Hayden — a former police chief and former Undersecretary of Public Safety in Massachusetts — was the passenger who handcuffed one man and subdued another man on Northwest Airlines Flight 720, last Saturday.

    The two, security-threatening passengers — men allegedly from the Philippines — had been acting strangely during the flight. On both the ascent out of Minneapolis and the descent into Boston, both men simultaneously stood up. One laid down in the aisle, screaming, while the other man stood over the prostrated man.

    Let me guess, would that be the “restive” southern islands?

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 06 07 at 11:55 AM • permalink

  36. I had looked around the plane for help, and all the younger guys had averted their eyes.

    What can I say, unless something changes soon and radically, I fear for my generation and those that follow.  Add one more goal to the education of my son:  In times of crisis, don’t avert your eyes.

    Posted by Not My Problem on 2007 06 07 at 12:18 PM • permalink

  37. Bravo for the Marine and Mr. Hayden for having the brass balls to subdue these walking rectal orifices, and to Mrs. Hayden for being one cool lady!

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if many of the young twerps who averted their eyes in the approved “I don’t want to get involved” manner of the passive are more than happy to show up at lefty demonstrations and pull the Scary, Tough Protestor act, screaming and waving idiotic signs in people’s faces.  It’s easy to act tough when you know that you at little if any risk of an ass-beating.

    Posted by Blue State Sil on 2007 06 07 at 01:20 PM • permalink

  38. What I can’t understand, is why in a post-9/11 world, the entire Goddamned passenger list, wasn’t queuing up to jump on the guy’s throat.

    One hint is that it was a Minneapolis to Boston flight:  That’s blue state to blue state.  I guarantee that if it had been, say, Dallas to Las Vegas, the queue would have been from one end of the plane to the other.

    Posted by Jim on 2007 06 07 at 03:43 PM • permalink

  39. We are being tested and the youngsters, at least, are failing.

    From Spiny’s link:

    Hayden gave me a few more details. “We left the airport, drove home, stopped at the grocery store, bought some groceries — the whole time my wife didn’t say a thing about the flight. As we were getting ready to go to bed, she comes over, stands up and gives me a kiss. ‘By the way’ she says to me, ‘Good job on the airplane.’”

    Gotta love those two. And, by the way, I don’t know how old the Marine captain is, but 65 ain’t all that old. Whippersnappers.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 06 07 at 05:57 PM • permalink

  40. Kyda,

    Be careful about which youngsters, we have a whole generation in Iraq and Afganistan that aren’t failing.  I think maybe between the 2 (like my generation, 40) have a little to live up to, but the 20 somethings in Iraq and Afganistan answered their call.

    Posted by Old Tanker on 2007 06 07 at 06:13 PM • permalink

  41. The moral fo the story?

    Don’t fuck about with uncle Bob after he’s had a plastic cup of shitty red and a stale sanger.

    Posted by Pickles on 2007 06 07 at 06:59 PM • permalink

  42. Yeah I read this via instapundit.  Nice story of the old fella doing the right thing.

    But let’s not trash a whole generation here.

    The bit where I smell BS is when he says he looked at ALL the young fellas, who averted their eyes.  FROM HIS SEAT.  How the fuck did he eyeball every other male passenger from his seat way down back of coach?  More like he looed at a few guys and they wondered what the old fella was staring at them for, so looked away.

    All credit to him for acting, but it is just crap to say every young male went to water when most probably didn’t even know the hostess wanted help.

    Remeber that flight that went down on 9-11?  Those were mainly young guys taking charge, saying “let’s roll” - remember?

    There is no way this flight should have taken off with those 2 characters being stupid like that.  Why didn’t they get chucked off?

    Posted by peter m on 2007 06 07 at 07:44 PM • permalink

  43. Peter M—If there had been any flight 93 spirit in the young punks on that plane, there would have been a solid wall of meat heading at those two idiots from both directions, not just two old men.

    Those punks don’t have to hold their manhoods cheap, I’ll happily do it for them.

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 06 07 at 08:10 PM • permalink

  44. #38

    Thank you, that’s an interesting point.

    Denny Crane.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2007 06 07 at 08:26 PM • permalink

  45. Not included in this article:  The fact that Mr. Hayden had walked to the back of the plane to check whether there were any other troublemakers ready to join in.  That’s when he looked to make eye contact with other men who were willing to rumble.

    Yes, Boston and Minneapolis are two very lefty cities with lots o’ metrosexual males who moisturize frequently.  I wouldn’t pull this kind of stunt on a plane to or from San Diego, though.  Lots of Marines and Navy SEALS here - you see them on every flight.  I’ve gotta’ admit I feel pretty damn safe in San Diego…

    Posted by Butch on 2007 06 07 at 09:57 PM • permalink

  46. # 11 I’ve actually eaten leg of goat, and it’s pretty ordinary

    Now wait just a minute there Albury. 

    What you need is a large pot half filled with salted water, add the goat on the bone with some chopped carrots, parsley stalks, onions, potatoes and celery.  Whack in a couple of garlic cloves, and handful of oregano leaves.  And don’t foget to rub red wine vinegar into the meat with salt & pepper and paprika before you put it in.

    Simmer till the meat is falling of the bone and season to taste.  Server with buttery mashed potatoes.

    Posted by Big Jim on 2007 06 07 at 09:59 PM • permalink

  47. #24 When you say Costa Rica are you thinking of this from the Jerusalem Post, Feb. 23.

    “A tour bus of US senior citizens defended themselves against a group of alleged muggers, sending two of them fleeing and killing a third in the Atlantic coast city of Limon, Costa Rica police said on Thursday.

    One of the tourists - a retired member of the US military - put assailant Warner Segura in a head lock and broke his clavicle after the 20-year-old and two other men armed with a knife and gun held up their tour bus Wednesday,...”

    Posted by Synova on 2007 06 08 at 01:22 AM • permalink

  48. #45 I think that training, of any sort, makes a difference.  I don’t know how much I’d blame men of any age who have never had even a basic education about how to restrain someone.  A plane full of military (though having been in the military, that’s no guarantee either) would feel very safe.

    When I flew to Costa Rica in February the group I was with was my martial arts school.  Not all on the same plane but of those that were on my plane, one was also former Marine and one was um… TSA?  I’m spacing on the name of the agency, Transportation Security Agency?  Doesn’t sound right, but that was his day job… airline security.  Plus a half a dozen other people from our school *and* it turned out, another dozen (maybe) mixed martial artists going down there to film a competition for television (Bodog.tv - if I’m spelling that right.)

    On the way back on our flight was our chief instructor, who is a ninth Dan master, a bunch of our people, and again, the dozen of the international Bodog competitors…

    That was probably the plane to be on too.  ;-)

    Posted by Synova on 2007 06 08 at 01:38 AM • permalink

  49. That’s the sort of statement that I need to hear when I’m thinking the West has already lost.

    Posted by Rittenhouse on 2007 06 08 at 09:27 AM • permalink

  50. I’m recalling Heinlein saying “There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous men.” Although I’m sure out of the context of a book he would have included dangerous women.

    I had some training in the USAF, but most of my training for this comes from losing about 98% of the fights I got into as a young man.  Course, it would have helped if I didn’t routinely end up fighting the toughest guy around.

    Today, young men who get into fist fights or those more likely, wrestling, grunting, whatever matches would be arrested and/or sued.

    I do, however, picture a plane load of guys looking vaguely like 20-45 year-old versions of John Edwards.  Trying to imagine Edwards jumping up and challenging these guys is just too taxing for my meager imagination.

    Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 06 08 at 02:26 PM • permalink

  51. #50 Could happen.

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 06 08 at 07:16 PM • permalink

  52. Hmmm… Meant to steer you towards Bernhard Goetz, nebbish looking, polite ("Would you like another?") subway vigilante.

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 06 08 at 07:30 PM • permalink

  53. Anyone want to guess how this will end?
    Im guessing in tears.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 06 08 at 07:39 PM • permalink

  54. #53 Thanks, frollicking. Now my brain is imploding. I have no idea if it’s more than a rumour, but with Olmert at the helm......

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 06 08 at 11:47 PM • permalink

  55. Tears from Olmert as he’s run out of town?

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 06 09 at 07:40 AM • permalink

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