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Sir Edmund Hillary, shown above with fellow Everest conquerer Sherpa Tenzing Norgay, has died at 88. Weird political footnote: Hillary Clinton claimed to have been named after the famous mountaineer, which was odd, since he was an unknown New Zealand beekeeper at the time of Hillary’s birth.

UPDATE. From Time:

The descent was as arduous as the climb. Their path had been erased by strong winds, so they repacked every step. Finally, after more than four exhausting hours, they saw fellow team member George Lowe who had climbed up to meet them. Lowe asked Hillary how the attempt had gone.

“Well,” replied the unassuming conquerer. “We knocked the bastard off.”

Posted by Tim B. on 01/10/2008 at 09:11 PM
  1. One of the things I admired about Sir Edmund was his disgust over the issue of whether he or Tenzing stepped onto the peak first. He saw it as a trivial detail compared to the team effort. Similar to the attitude of Neil Armstrong.

    Posted by Penguin on 2008 01 10 at 09:28 PM • permalink

  2. I went trekking in Nepal back in the ‘70s.  I asked our Sherpa guide who had made it to the top first.  He said Tensing was first, and he had half-carried Edmund on the final pitch to the top.  Sir Edmond was well-liked by the Sherpas.  He did a lot for their communities, building schools and medical centers.  From what I know, Sir Hillary was a good guy, respected by his peers.  We should all be so lucky.

    Posted by Mystery Meat on 2008 01 10 at 09:32 PM • permalink

  3. One of the all-time great “firsts”. RIP.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 10 at 09:43 PM • permalink

  4. Hillary Clinton would claim she was Barack Obama’s long-lost sister if it got her a vote.

    Snarkiness aside, RIP Sir Edmund.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 01 10 at 09:44 PM • permalink

  5. He took The Sound Of Music very seriously.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 10 at 09:45 PM • permalink

  6. I was also named for an unknown beekeeper.

    Posted by TimShell on 2008 01 10 at 10:04 PM • permalink

  7. RIP, Sir Hillary.  Another good man has passed on.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 10 at 10:06 PM • permalink

  8. There goes a True Knight, un verdadero caballero. I remember a time when not everything was sullied with politicians’ claims.

    Posted by ForNow on 2008 01 10 at 10:10 PM • permalink

  9. It’s less well-known that Hillary was the first after Amundsen and Scott to reach the South Pole overland. It’s a great story, since he was not supposed to go all the way to the Pole; his job was to set up fuel depots for the “proper” Trans-Antarctic expedition led by Fuchs.

    However, Hillary’s team made much better headway than Fuchs’, even though Hillary’s had poorer equipment and was only driving converted farm tractors. Fuchs was livid when Hillary, contrary to instructions, carried on to the Pole after completing the fuel drop-off.

    Posted by zscore on 2008 01 10 at 10:24 PM • permalink

  10. What a shame, another legend leaves us….

    Godspeed Sir Edmund

    Posted by Old Tanker on 2008 01 10 at 10:25 PM • permalink

  11. Funny, that’s nearly the same claim made by my neighbor, old Norgay Harris…

    But seriously, folks…

    Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are -
    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
    - Alfred, Lord Tennyson

    Posted by mojo on 2008 01 10 at 10:29 PM • permalink

  12. Who knew that Sir Edmund’s real name was Ice Queen?

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 10 at 10:34 PM • permalink

  13. Vale and Godspeed, Sir Hillary.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 01 10 at 10:37 PM • permalink

  14. There goes a True Knight…

    So right. Nowadays, they give knighthoods to such giants - not - as Elton John and Ian Botham.

    Sir Edmund, though, was actually worthy of this old honour (and honorific) and was surely history’s greatest New Zealander. (Phar Lap being second).

    Rest in Peace.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 10 at 10:39 PM • permalink

  15. It’s an odd but telling commentary about the changing relationship between the Antipodes and the ‘mother country’, when the news of Hillary’s ascent of Everest became known it coincided with the Queen’s coronation. The picture of him on top of the summit shows, I think, him holding a Union flag. It was celebrated along with the coronation as a great “British” event. I didn’t even know he was a Kiwi until I was in my twenties.

    That would never happen today, anyway RIP Sir Edmund, one of the old breed.

    Posted by Harry Flashman on 2008 01 10 at 10:40 PM • permalink

  16. Goodbye Sir Edmund. My studies of your adventures on Everest when at school were absolutely fascinating. Makes me proud to be a Kiwi.

    @$#%&%#: Is there anything some politicians will not say or do, so as to ensure they get elected? ‘A pox on both their houses,’ to quote a well worn and apt saying.

    Posted by BJM on 2008 01 10 at 10:43 PM • permalink

  17. More on the great man’s bee-keeping:

    New Zealand apiarists also mourned the loss of Sir Edmund, who they said was the country’s most famous beekeeper.

    “Beekeepers have always been proud to count Sir Edmund Hillary as one of their own,” said the chair of New Zealand’s Federated Farmers Bees, John Hartnell.

    “Sir Edmund Hillary began life following in his father’s footsteps as a beekeeper and funded his early climbing expeditions from his living collecting honey.”

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 10 at 11:00 PM • permalink

  18. RIP Sir Edmund.

    #14 One might argue that perhaps Ernest Rutherford might make the list ahead of Phar Lap… not that Phar Lap doesn’t have a compelling case.

    Posted by AnthonyC on 2008 01 10 at 11:00 PM • permalink

  19. I will never understand what motivates mountain climbers. Altitude sickness, nausea, diarrhea, frostbite, disorientation, death . . . and more!

    Posted by Redd on 2008 01 10 at 11:03 PM • permalink

  20. No 2 I’ve heard that story before but I thought it had been dismissed as a bit of mischievous story making by the sherpas who understandably wanted to take maximmum pride in Tenzing’s achievement.

    I understood that Tenzing had admitted later in public that Hillary was first to the top but like Hillary he didn’t think the issue was important.

    Posted by Francis H on 2008 01 10 at 11:14 PM • permalink

  21. Redd, not to mention lack of proper toilet facilities! Well, ok, Death is right up there…

    Godspeed, Sir - we are better for your having been among us.

    Posted by KC on 2008 01 10 at 11:14 PM • permalink

  22. #19: I will never understand what motivates mountain climbers.

    I think it’s fear of depths.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 10 at 11:16 PM • permalink

  23. The kind of men who used to be knighted.

    And now…

    Says it all, really.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 10 at 11:19 PM • permalink

  24. Ahhh, wonderful…A thread to a great man and his companion, Tenzing Norgay.

    I believe that Everest has bowed its peek in your honor, Sir Edmund Hillary.

    Rest in Peace, “Sir Ed”.

    Posted by El Cid on 2008 01 10 at 11:23 PM • permalink

  25. #23: What a stunning contrast, C.L. Hilarious (and, at the same time, very sad).

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 10 at 11:25 PM • permalink

  26. C.L.
    Too damn funny!

    Posted by Merlin on 2008 01 10 at 11:36 PM • permalink

  27. Incidentally, the picture on the summit is of Tenzing. Hillary was carrying the only camera, and Tenzing did not know how to operate it, so there are no photographs of Hillary on the summit. A bit like Neil Armstrong on the moon - all the photographs are of Aldrin, because Armstrong had the only film camera, bolted to his chest.

    Tenzing did write in his autobiography that Hillary happened to be taking the lead when they reached the summit. This was of no great import to either climber, but assumed overblown political importance in India and Nepal later on.

    Tenzing, however, did take offence when, in his account of the climb, Hillary implied that Tenzing couldn’t have climbed the last Step (now known as the Hillary step) on the ridge without assistance. Tenzing always disputed that.

    Posted by zscore on 2008 01 10 at 11:51 PM • permalink

  28. Well done old chap.  Before they whacked in a ladder or rope, with champagne and canapes in the last tent, you managed quite well.

    Posted by peter m on 2008 01 11 at 12:04 AM • permalink

  29. Hillary Clinton claimed to have been named after the famous mountaineer

    Not exactly. From the NYT Article:

    Mrs. Clinton grew up in the Chicago suburb Park Ridge, and her mother named her for the mountaineer Sir Edmund Hillary.

    Clearly Edmund Hillary was her father.

    Shocka!

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 01 11 at 12:16 AM • permalink

  30. 27, zscore: Tenzing didn’t know how to operate the camera? This sounds utterly impossible.
    I mean, Hillary could’ve set the camera and Tenzing could’ve just pushed the button.
    Also, if he could learn operating everything else, why not the camera?
    My suspicion is that Hillary never got to the top; maybe he got distracted halfway up by some woolly Sherpa sheep.

    Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2008 01 11 at 12:17 AM • permalink

  31. “We knocked the bastard off.”

    The ICC will be none too pleased when they hear that language.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 11 at 12:18 AM • permalink

  32. #30 Tenzing didn’t know how to operate the camera? This sounds utterly impossible.

    Another interesting aside of this ascent was that all the photos that existed of the mountaineers on the top showed only Tenzing. When asked why there were no photos featuring Hillary, Sir Edmund replied, “Tenzing did not know how to operate the camera and the top of Everest was no place to start teaching him how to use it”. Hillary and Tenzing remained on friendly terms throughout their lives.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 11 at 12:27 AM • permalink

  33. OT:

    Hillary isn’t the only adventurous hero in arctic attire to make the news today. This one is enthusiastically backing 20 Gaia-raping Airbus A319 flights to the melting slosh that is an enwarmened Antarctica.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 11 at 12:40 AM • permalink

  34. 31 - you mean the BCCI?  Apparently the ICC think we are all bastards!

    cl - so who paid for domehead’s ticket?  And why?

    Posted by peter m on 2008 01 11 at 12:53 AM • permalink

  35. #31 -

    Downright insensitive, innit?

    Posted by Achillea on 2008 01 11 at 12:57 AM • permalink

  36. #22 Mr Paco.

    CLFALTS (chuckled lightly for at least twenty seconds). Please quit your day job.

    *notices that the joke is not protected by an alarm and that the guard dog is busy licking itself - steals joke*

    Posted by Penguin on 2008 01 11 at 12:59 AM • permalink

  37. #34 peter m

    I think you know all Australia paid for the ticket - most were hoping it was one way

    Posted by Pa Feral on 2008 01 11 at 01:00 AM • permalink

  38. “Sir Edmund, though, was actually worthy of this old honour (and honorific) and was surely history’s greatest New Zealander.”

    As #18 points out, Sir Ernest Rutherford probably deserves those laurels, for his discovery of the structure of the atom.

    The Kiwi I admire most, though, would be Frank Worsley, the captain of Shackleton’s Endurance. His navigating of the 14-foot whaleboat James Caird from Elephant Island to South Georgia, across the Drake Passage, is perhaps the greatest feat of seamanship I’ve ever read about. That was matched only by the crossing he, Shackleton, and Tom Crean made through the then-unexplored mountains of South Georgia - equipped with nothing more than a few feet of rope and a carpenter’s adze. They did it because they had to: Shackleton’s marooned men were counting on them. Beyond amazing. They were men: we shall not look upon their like again.

    Posted by Urbs in Horto on 2008 01 11 at 01:01 AM • permalink

  39. I would’ve headlined it as “Edmund Hillary to Descend 29.035 Feet”.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 01 11 at 01:07 AM • permalink

  40. Try climbing out of this one, matey.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 01 11 at 01:08 AM • permalink

  41. BTW, Sir Ed got all hot and bothered before he turned cold.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 01 11 at 01:26 AM • permalink

  42. #9 - Sir Vivian Fuchs was not only livid with Hilary, he wasn’t overly impressed with some of the headlines in the NZ Press at the time - the first one was “Scientist Fuchs off to the Antarctic”, and on a following expedition it was “Scientist Fuchs off to the Antarctic again.”

    Urban legend has it that a naughty sub-editor replaced the “h” with a “k” and some editions were printed before the presses were huriedly stopped. Unfortunately none of these copies appear to exist.

    Posted by Whale Spinor on 2008 01 11 at 01:28 AM • permalink

  43. Says it all, really.

    Alas, C.L., too true.  Too true!

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 11 at 01:31 AM • permalink

  44. It was said on ABC radio this afternoon that Hillary was the most famous New Zealander (hard to dispute that one) and was more famous than any Australian.

    More I think about that one it’s a valid claim. Bradman? Only known in the cricket world. Kingsford Smith? Everest still presents a challenge, flying the Pacific doesn’t. Florey? Should be lauded as one of the greatest men in history but like Rutherford (#38), not an adverturer. Peter Garrett? Oops, here comes lunch.

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 01 11 at 01:32 AM • permalink

  45. #44 - He’s not a patch on that Russell Crowe.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 11 at 01:39 AM • permalink

  46. #44. I would propose Sir Les Patterson.

    Posted by Penguin on 2008 01 11 at 01:46 AM • permalink

  47. #44 Good point….but was Hillary the first man to reach the top? Some believe the tantalising snippetts of positive evidence that Mallory did get there. Would we be better off if the lost camera were ever found? Would any pictures contained therein be still viable? If so, what would they show?

    Posted by Rod C on 2008 01 11 at 01:47 AM • permalink

  48. #33

    Ahhh. Photo caption:

    Noble Fucktard.

    You know, I’m sure he is a bit retarded. He dances weird and he speaks funny, like he has trouble forming words.

    Maybe that’s why he “sang”?

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 01:48 AM • permalink

  49. #48 Does he still have that creepy lisp going on Kae?

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 01 11 at 01:52 AM • permalink

  50. I note the ABC has made no mention of carbon offsets for this intrepid flight- the news item last night blithely gasped that all flights will be purely to transport scientists and support personnel, then in the same sentence announced that the alopecic epileptic was to be on the flight along with some enivoroment reporter for the ABC. Odd that such a potentially damaging expedition is just peachy when it suits their agenda.

    BTW, rather than whining about global warming, why wasn’t Sir Ed campaigning against contiental drift- after all, this phenomena had made Everest rise from when he climbed it, making his effort futile.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 01 11 at 01:58 AM • permalink

  51. Actually seeing the photo in the post and recalling a remarkably similar image makes be a bit suss that the crafty old Kiwi actually climbed to the top at all- he’s been dining out on this for near on fifty years, the cunning sod.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 01 11 at 02:11 AM • permalink

  52. #50 - Fair go. They all hopped out, planted a tree each to do their carbon off-setting and returned to Hobart.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 11 at 02:12 AM • permalink

  53. #50

    alopecic epileptic

    He’d be handy for doing small loads of washing in the bath.

    That’s about all.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 02:19 AM • permalink

  54. re: getting down.  It appears that is the real challenge.

    Many more have reached the summit than have returned.

    Posted by duncanm on 2008 01 11 at 02:19 AM • permalink

  55. Whatever country you’re in, is there any living person you’d put on your country’s currency?

    Nominations, please…

    Posted by David Morgan on 2008 01 11 at 03:02 AM • permalink

  56. #55- Simple, we only need one, with perhaps a stock of these in reserve in the mint, as a contingency for a coup in caucus.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 01 11 at 03:13 AM • permalink

  57. #55 - I’d like to nominate Mohammad.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 11 at 03:17 AM • permalink

  58. And we’ve got the flipside sorted.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 01 11 at 03:18 AM • permalink

  59. RIP Sir Hillary God Speed.

    As far as this knob head environment minister is concerned - how can anyone take Global Warming seriously when he F**ks off to the friggin Antarctic for the hell of it in a carbon emitting metal cylinder. 

    Maybe he should take his plastic bags and fake furs and shove them up his arse.

    This man really pisses me off.

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 11 at 03:22 AM • permalink

  60. What a brave man! Bless you you brave man, you made it look easy. Last week I took a photo0graph of his statue at the foothills of Mt Cook.


    ;;’;;;’;’;’;’;’;’;
    Snow spirit by 1.618

    Posted by 1.618 on 2008 01 11 at 03:38 AM • permalink

  61. I can see why he was so passionate about climbing mountains.

    Posted by 1.618 on 2008 01 11 at 03:41 AM • permalink

  62. Personally after reading his book I would love to visit Everest, however I won’t be going if I have to walk.  I am currently suffering from exerciseaphobia and it is going to be a while before I can get into therapy for it

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 11 at 03:44 AM • permalink

  63. I might get to Lukla you can fly in there

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 11 at 03:50 AM • permalink

  64. #45 someone mentioned Crowe on the ABC. Even Cathy Bedford didn’t fall for that one.

    #47 The trick is to come back. Mallory bombed out there.

    #56 Garrett has already filled the bucket

    #57 Mohammad? Has to be a real person, not a cartoon character

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 01 11 at 04:08 AM • permalink

  65. #61

    I can see why he was so passionate about climbing mountains.

    Sheep?

    /O&A

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 04:20 AM • permalink

  66. # 14. I think we must admit Upham (VC & Bar) and Rutherford were not bad, at least for Kiwis.

    Posted by McAnzac on 2008 01 11 at 04:43 AM • permalink

  67. O/T or On Topic—not sure which - More Global Warming!

    Posted by Wand on 2008 01 11 at 05:01 AM • permalink

  68. 1.618’s photo of Hillary’s statue in NZ

    Posted by Col. Milquetoast on 2008 01 11 at 05:15 AM • permalink

  69. Thank you colonel for taking the time to post Sir Edmund. Hope you all don’t mind. (ty Tim for letting me post him).

    Posted by 1.618 on 2008 01 11 at 05:20 AM • permalink

  70. #4 I reckon you are right on the money there RebeccaH!

    Hillary could not lie straight in bed, with or without Bill!

    Posted by Dave Wane on 2008 01 11 at 05:43 AM • permalink

  71. #65 Obviously you have been to New Zealand, kae?

    Posted by Dave Wane on 2008 01 11 at 05:54 AM • permalink

  72. Yes there are lots of sheep, however, there appears to be a growing number of deers munching on the fields.

    Posted by 1.618 on 2008 01 11 at 05:57 AM • permalink

  73. A great, great man. RIP Sir Edmund.

    I met his son, Peter. I was working as a contract IT Consultant for one of the backer’s of an overland trek to the S. Pole.

    In 1998-99 Eric Philips,(a really, really top bloke and great company even at 04:00 AM after the last bottle of port’s been drunk) skied to the South Pole with Jon Muir (no relation) and Peter Hillary.

    The expedition of 1425 km and 84 days started from Ross Island and pioneered a new route up the Shackleton Glacier.

    However the expedition, plagued by team difficulties, did not realise it’s major objective - to ski/kite to the pole and back - and the team was airlifted from the South Pole.

    Apparently, the son was not as much a team player as the father.

    Here’s a link to the Iridium Ice Trek expedition.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 01 11 at 06:08 AM • permalink

  74. #73 Supplemental: I know this because I was privy to a lot of video that never made the doco—Hillary fils really was nothing like Hillery pere.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 01 11 at 06:15 AM • permalink

  75. #71
    As a matter of fact I have. In 1975. I was sweet 16 (well, maybe not so sweet). Pics.
    TL:  Black Rocks, Bay of Islands
    TR:  Sheep at Queenstown, very attractive coloured sheep, unusual when you’ve grown up familiar with only merinos
    ML:  Mountains at Queenstown
    MR:  Preparing to ride up the Shotover River Valley, Queenstown
    BL:  Looking down on the Shotover River
    BR:  Franz Joseph (or was it Fox?) Glacier

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 06:17 AM • permalink

  76. My friends lived near Peter Hillary about 13 years or so ago in the NSW Southern Highlands. They were neighbours.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 06:18 AM • permalink

  77. Queensland National Party are conducting a survey to find out whether people want them to merge with the Liberal Party or start up a whole new party.

    One suggestion: get rid of 95% of the current Liberal members, they’re absolutely useless, they can’t even win an election against the most useless mob in Australia (QLD ALP).

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 06:36 AM • permalink

  78. I went to Queenstown a couple of years ago - it really is one of the most amazing places Ive ever been

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 11 at 06:38 AM • permalink

  79. #77 Most useless mob in Australia?

    I call you with Victoria and raise you with NSW!

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 01 11 at 06:38 AM • permalink

  80. #77 with a joke like Fleg running the show they had no chance.

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 11 at 06:39 AM • permalink

  81. Unfortunately, with mountaineering or media-neering, there’s always another mountain or pile of shit to overcome.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 11 at 07:04 AM • permalink

  82. #81
    It’s not a joke, is it.

    It’s a farce.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 07:14 AM • permalink

  83. #36 Penguin: All my jokes come from a basket marked “take one”, so help yourself.

    #42 Whalespinor: that is hilarious! I don’t suppose there are any online photos of the headline, are there? If not, somebody ought to get hold of the edition, scan it and put it up somewhere.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 11 at 09:18 AM • permalink

  84. #42 - That sounds a lot like the headline after the atomic spy Klaus Fuchs was released from prison in 1959 and went to East Germany - FREED FUCHS DUCKS BEHIND IRON CURTAIN.

    Groucho Marx saw this and wrote to one of his brothers, ‘Is this the Arthur Freed we used to know at MGM?’

    Posted by David Morgan on 2008 01 11 at 09:44 AM • permalink

  85. #75 - I’ve been to New Zealand 4 times, kae. Second time was a year before you, last time was November 2006.

    Loved every minute of it, but it was the fourth time I’d seen Milford Sound NOT sunny, despite all the clear-blue-sky photos you see of it. But, hey, I like going out in 90 knot gales.

    I remember a film on the ferry going across Lake Te Anau to the glowworm caves that said, with seisimic forces pushing up the Southern Alps, if it wasn’t for the constant erosion by wind and rain coming in from the Tasman Sea they’d by 60,000 feet high.

    Posted by David Morgan on 2008 01 11 at 09:58 AM • permalink

  86. #85
    I thought NZ was just beautiful, so green. The water came in two colours, emerald green or deep blue. Except, of course, for the 18 days out of the 21 we were there that the Long White Cloud dropped.
    It was great, sitting in the back of the hire car with my brother, bickering all the way around NZ. Certainly went down well with the parents.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 10:04 AM • permalink

  87. #15 Harry, your point is a fair enough one and it does reflect mainstream opinion of the times.

    However, it is also fair to point out that it was a British expedition.  The fact that a New Zealander and a Sherpa were the successful summit pair (but only afer an earlier pair of British boys had failed) says something of the fair-minded attitude of the expedition leader, Col Hunt.  That, and his rational calculation that they really were the pair with the greatest chance of success, of course!

    As other readers have pointed out, the picture was of Tenzing Norgay (this and the famous image of Buzz Aldrin on the moon are the two great iconic images of human achievement of the 20th Century, IMO).  He had four flags on his ice axe and, according to his autobiography, the UN flag was on top.  This was not planned but was just the way that they happened to be attached - and in retrospect he was happy that it was, being a bit of a univeralist.  The UN had a bit more credibility and a lot more hope still invested in it in those days!

    TFK

    Posted by TFK on 2008 01 11 at 10:20 AM • permalink

  88. PS:  I am a great admirer of Sir Edmund Hillary, so was pretty disappointed to hear about the silly shit that Habib drew to our attention.

    He was an old man by that stage, however, and probably easily mainpulated into supporting what could be painted as a vital and worthy cause.  Given his character and the true greatness of the man, I’m going to cut him a bit of slack on that one.

    TFK

    Posted by TFK on 2008 01 11 at 10:25 AM • permalink

  89. #86
    You should have seen my sister (then aged 6) in 1974. Those strawberries from a roadside fruit stand were a mistake. Four stops to wash the sick out of her clothes in icy cold mountain streams.

    Posted by David Morgan on 2008 01 11 at 10:27 AM • permalink

  90. #86 I thought NZ was just beautiful, so green.

    Even the sheep? Baaaa!

    Posted by Redd on 2008 01 11 at 11:04 AM • permalink

  91. Sir Vivian Fuchs

    Please, call me Rita...

    Posted by mojo on 2008 01 11 at 11:47 AM • permalink

  92. #90 Redd
    Yes, some of the sheep were green.
    They had grass growing in their wool.

    And some sheep had little jackets on.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 12:47 PM • permalink

  93. #92 (I’d forgotten, thanks for reminding me. We’d never seen anything like THAT before!)

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 12:48 PM • permalink

  94. Re the still alive Hillary

    “It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add,” said Jennifer Hanley, a spokeswoman for the campaign.

    AH…. Not actually true then…..

    But it’s indicative of a wider truth.

    Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2008 01 11 at 01:00 PM • permalink

  95. #95, i would gag if i could.

    Posted by missred on 2008 01 11 at 01:09 PM • permalink

  96. #92 Did the girl sheep have little dresses?

    I imagine there was a fair bit of competition over who could attract the local lads.

    Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2008 01 11 at 01:10 PM • permalink

  97. #55 -

    George W. Bush, if only for the sheer apoplexy it would induce on the left.

    *pictures it*

    *smiles*

    Posted by Achillea on 2008 01 11 at 01:22 PM • permalink

  98. #55: Whatever country you’re in, is there any living person you’d put on your country’s currency?

    I’ll have to think about that. Meanwhile, for those who haven’t see it, check out Lileks’ gallery of foreign currency. The captions range from amusing to hilarious.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 11 at 02:23 PM • permalink

  99. #22, paco, reminds me of the Steven Wright line:

    “Some people are afraid of heights.  I have a problem with widths.”

    Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2008 01 11 at 03:23 PM • permalink

  100. Mrs. Clinton’s story is true. She was named Bob for a long time, until the operation.
    I thought the most famous Kiwi was Burt Munro.

    Posted by Latino on 2008 01 11 at 03:34 PM • permalink

  101. #99: As I grow older, I share that fear.

    #55: How about General Petraeus?

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 11 at 04:02 PM • permalink

  102. #96

    #92 Did the girl sheep have little dresses?

    T&B now you’re just being silly.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 04:27 PM • permalink

  103. The Kiwi I remember most is Peter Snell, for what it’s worth.

    Does he look like a cross between Muskie and Kerry on that picture?  Just asking.

    Posted by yojimbo on 2008 01 11 at 04:32 PM • permalink

  104. ‘just a family legend’ is the latest spin on HRC’s self-serving old lie.  Can someone explain to me how a daughter can be unaware of how she was named when her mother is still alive to tell her? 
    The Clintons have a new definition of ‘legend’

    Posted by Barrie on 2008 01 11 at 04:36 PM • permalink

  105. Why is that weird? With all the obscure beekeepers in the world, lots of us could claim to be named after one or another of them.

    Posted by Rittenhouse on 2008 01 11 at 04:37 PM • permalink

  106. Or vikings.

    Posted by Rittenhouse on 2008 01 11 at 04:42 PM • permalink

  107. #104
    The definition of bullshit hasn’t changed, however.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 04:48 PM • permalink

  108. Crumbs, my email has just died.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 11 at 07:22 PM • permalink

  109. The thing to remember here is, an ordinary human being climbed to the top of the tallest mountain on earth, one that very nearly sticks up out of the atmosphere.  His politics don’t matter, neither does his ethnicity, or nationality, or motivation.  A human being was the first to make it to the top, just because he tried.  It’s a lesson for all of us.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 01 11 at 07:34 PM • permalink

  110. thank you, rebecca

    Posted by missred on 2008 01 11 at 08:05 PM • permalink

  111. Rare snowfall in Baghdad blamed on . . . guess what?.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 11 at 08:13 PM • permalink

  112. O/T
    ok, paco asked for a cheap place to eat in chicago.. i need a classy place.. not over the top expensive.  hopefully with a bit of entertainment (think jazz combo or such) with good steaks.  i need to make both americans and internationals happy and need to be able to handle 25-30 people (they do not want a private dining area)
    any ideas chicagoans?

    Posted by missred on 2008 01 11 at 08:30 PM • permalink

  113. rather than take up space here, please email me with any suggestions
    thank you very much (her best elvis impression)

    Posted by missred on 2008 01 11 at 08:31 PM • permalink

  114. #114 Missred: I didn’t try this one, but it looks like the kind of place you and your guests would remember (probably for the rest of your lives, typically in the middle of the night, as the nucleus of a bad dream).

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 11 at 08:42 PM • permalink

  115. And the biggest challenge today is getting all the decades of garbage down from the base camps…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 01 11 at 09:00 PM • permalink

  116. Or you might try the Prairie And Canyon Ordinary, where you get to pick your own meat on the hoof. Step out the back to the corral, choose a steer, and zap him yourself. Ideal for large parties. Enjoy the Mile-Long Bar, where drinks are half-off during Stampede Hour, and nude square dancing in the Bella Union Ballroom every Wednesday night. Unforgettable.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 11 at 09:04 PM • permalink

  117. paco >ahem< the nude thingy wont do for them.. that is too much excitement.  there is a reason we dont hold our annual scientific sessions in las vegas
    after all they are there to “learn” )did i mention they are cardiologists?
    now about that earlier link.  i couldn’t find a website for that restaurant, but i will try and find out more although it may also be a bit too far out for them.  they are just working stiffs who want a good meal and have fun at the same time
    thanks, you are a doll

    Posted by missred on 2008 01 11 at 09:10 PM • permalink

  118. vale sir edmund - brave, modest, cheerful, useful.  he & tenzing norgay were a great pair.

    #114 what a wanker that cantu is - i want to get a plane over there & slap him very hard indeed

    ot - the freedom-loving czechs are at it again, helping to make life bearable for neighbours living under nanny fascism
    The Czech border areas have become a haven for Bavarian smokers. A complete ban on smoking in Bavarian pubs and restaurants is sending many Germans across the border for a meal and a smoke in Czech eateries. Bavarian restaurant owners are grumbling that the toughest anti-smoking law in Germany is robbing them of clients while Czech pub and restaurant owners say their clientele has suddenly doubled. “Our prices are cheaper but they clearly come here to smoke,” one waitress told the daily Lidové noviny, “many of them ask at the door if they will be able to smoke here and they ask for an ashtray the minute they sit down.”

    Posted by KK on 2008 01 11 at 09:54 PM • permalink

  119. #33 - in contrast to the northern ice sheet, the antarctic one is getting bigger.  no doubt this is due to gorebal yammering

    Posted by KK on 2008 01 11 at 10:16 PM • permalink

  120. #103 - Thank you, yojimbo, I’m so relieved to know it wasn’t just my own sick little brain that saw the spooky resemblance you mention! I tried to convince myself it looks more like Herman Munster, but that only worked for a bit.

    Posted by KC on 2008 01 11 at 10:44 PM • permalink

  121. #112 Scuzzi (Italian Mob atmosphere, beware of cigar bar if you are non smoker) (try the Lobster Risotto)

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 01 11 at 10:45 PM • permalink

  122. more ot - the latest kekovich lamb ad is here

    Posted by KK on 2008 01 11 at 10:49 PM • permalink

  123. #98 Lileks is—along with your good self, Paco—one of the most side-splittingly hilarious (in a mordant, sardonic style) writers I have ever had to blame an actual side-split on.

    I had to stop, take medication and lie down for nearly two hours before the pain stopped.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 01 11 at 10:59 PM • permalink

  124. #122: Very funny guy. I think someone here once suggested that he’s a kind of Australian Henry Root.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 11 at 11:04 PM • permalink

  125. From the sublime of the mountains to the ridiculous of the pitch. At The other home of TB we can read TB quoting a reference to Peter Roebuck as a snob. I would call Peter Roebuck a knob, with knobs on.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 11 at 11:38 PM • permalink

  126. #122 KK,

    there’s our next Australian of the Year!!!!

    and every other bloody year that he keeps making those great ads.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 11 at 11:40 PM • permalink

  127. #123: Lileks has an amazing range of interests, and his web site is a genuine laugh factory. If you’ve only got time for one of his galleries, may I suggest this one?

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 11 at 11:41 PM • permalink

  128. #122 I think our Habib might be coaching him, or at least helping him with his vocabulary.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2008 01 11 at 11:46 PM • permalink

  129. I must admit that my favourite Lileks section was this one.

    Posted by Toiling Mass on 2008 01 12 at 12:27 AM • permalink

  130. Re #103 and #120, yojimbo and KC weren’t the only ones to spot the uncanny resemblance.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 12 at 12:30 AM • permalink

  131. #127 Brilliant. So much so that it prompted me to upload images to Photobucket of the “King of Cuts” as well as “The King of Cuts—Cut!”.

    I can’t remember which thread it was (I recall something about “BBQ—What is BBQ and who does it Best”—just like Tim to provoke an arguement), sometime in July 2006, after I got back from California, I wanted to upload these to show what I firmly believe is the best cut of beef in the Known Worlds.

    (Yeah, off-topic, I know—but I’m hungry)

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 01 12 at 12:31 AM • permalink

  132. Has anybody listened to BBC NEWS 24 ?
    The idiot (Chris) the news guy is talking about Sir Edmund Hilary and every person he has talked to who knew the great man. Be it fellow team members in Australia from the climb . A lady in Wales who knew him, Is asked the question if Hillary really did get to the top of Everest as there are no pictures of him there and it has caused great controversy ever since.
    Yup nothing like the BBC to kick the image of a great hero down when he has died specially if he’s a white anglo saxon.

    Posted by davo on 2008 01 12 at 12:53 AM • permalink

  133. #132 enter Germaine Greer in 5, 4, 3, 2….

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 01 12 at 01:14 AM • permalink

  134. A great man, a model to us all.

    That’s all to be said

    Posted by mindfree on 2008 01 12 at 01:58 AM • permalink

  135. #132 I’m curious - who do they imagine took the pics of Norgay?

    Posted by mojo on 2008 01 12 at 03:02 AM • permalink

  136. The standard of mountaineering these days is so disappointing. It’s all Win, Win, Win At Any Cost, and there’s no gentlemanly spirit of the game. Chivalry fell down a crevasse, the fair go ran out of oxygen in the death zone, and self-sacrifice was told to bugger off and jump over a cliff. It’s just not cricket.
    (/sarc off)

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 12 at 03:23 AM • permalink

  137. What? I’ve just been told that Sir Ed said:
    “We knocked the bastard off.”

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 12 at 03:25 AM • permalink

  138. 135
    well it was’nt germaine greer for sure!

    Posted by davo on 2008 01 12 at 03:46 AM • permalink

  139. #100 - The Times correspondent who accompanied the expedition was James Morris. She conquered her own Everest later when she became Jan Morris.

    Posted by Zoe Brain on 2008 01 12 at 04:54 AM • permalink

  140. The trek, the tents, the mountain, the photographs. You can tell by the shadows and the way the New Zealand flag seems to wave unnaturally.

    It’s all a sham.

    MarkL staged the whole thing at his secret VRWC studio in Canberra.

    Posted by splice on 2008 01 12 at 05:19 AM • permalink

  141. #114 Paco; Video of the place in action?

    Posted by dean martin on 2008 01 12 at 05:34 AM • permalink

  142. Since everyone’s asleep, here’s something to wake up by.

    Posted by dean martin on 2008 01 12 at 06:50 AM • permalink

  143. Not up yet? Just trying to keep the 24 hour TimBlair machine running.

    Posted by dean martin on 2008 01 12 at 07:01 AM • permalink

  144. Ah Dean, not only do you sing like an angel, you have excellent choice in music.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 01 12 at 07:03 AM • permalink

  145. new post

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 12 at 07:05 AM • permalink

  146. I’m lonlier than the three of you desperate souls, waiting for a new post from Tim.

    More lonely, I mean.

    Posted by splice on 2008 01 12 at 07:14 AM • permalink

  147. #145; Just in time. I was starting to reach for the Viking Death Metal.

    Posted by dean martin on 2008 01 12 at 08:06 AM • permalink

  148. #105, Rittenhouse, I can go one better than that.  Fully 25% of the world’s obscure beekeepers were named for me.

    True fact.  If I’m lyin’, I’m dyin’.

    Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2008 01 12 at 12:44 PM • permalink

  149. #141: That’s how I picture it, Dean.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 12 at 03:49 PM • permalink

  150. #130;TRJ

    Ha!  I’ll have you know that my sick little brain arrived at that quite independently of Mr. Bingley’s sick little brain!

    #120;KC

    I thought of Herman Munster as well.  Still think he is not that bad of a choice.

    Posted by yojimbo on 2008 01 12 at 06:19 PM • permalink

  151. yojimbo, ain’t it amazing how many sick little brains there are?  ;-P

    Minor point:  that other sick little brain is Ken Summers.  But Mr. Bingley is jealous that Ken posted that first, so he may be counted as well!

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 13 at 01:24 AM • permalink

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