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SILENCE OF THE LIBS
Eleven journalists in five countries face prosecution for publishing Motoons, reports the New York Times. Where are their defenders? Why the silence?
“I keep hearing, ‘Why are liberals silent?’ ” said Said al-Ashmawy, an Egyptian judge and author of books on political Islam. “How can we write? Who is going to protect me? Who is going to publish for me in the first place? With the Islamization of the society, the list of taboos has been increasing daily. You should not write about religion. You should not write about politics or women. Then what is left?”
Good question. You’d expect Western liberals to be making more noise about this.
Turkey has only 14 shelters for abused women at risk in a population of 70 million.Millions have been beaten in their homes and many others have been raped, killed and even forced to commit suicide. Canan Arin has been involved in women’s activism in Turkey since 1980, when a coup d’etat opened the door for the women’s movement there. She is perhaps most well-known for establishing the first women’s shelter in Turkey, where such facilities are still alarmingly scarce.
A Pregnant woman sentenced to 150 lashes. 2005 october…
A female domestic worker has reportedly been sentenced to 150 lashes for becoming pregnant outside of marriage in the United Arab Emirates. The woman was sentenced by a Shari’a (Islamic) court of law, after the positive result of a forced pregnancy test. The ordered flogging violates her rights against torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading punishment, and is a form of gender-based violence.Could Sharia Law be introduced in Australia so the same thing could Happen to Muslim and Infidel women again. We didn’t need the 1960’s Germaine has left the country and there are no women left to fight the battle.
I think it’s better to say that we are seeing the real “liberals” here, not hearing their silence—they are cold hearted totalitarians, one and all.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 02 22 at 02:59 AM • permalinkIn the last ten days, Muslims have cowed the West more than the Soviet Union could with 300 divisions and 20,000 nuclear bombs.
Posted by perfectsense on 2006 02 22 at 03:01 AM • permalinkWell this guys not exactly correct, you can still write about religion in these countries (as the books at that wonderful Egyptian book show proved), just as long as its too blame everything on the Joooos and the great Satan, and promote jihad and head hacking as the duty of any good muslim…
its anyone that is trying to instill a modicum of common sense into the religious debate that is being told to “shut it” if they know whats good for them….
but he’s spot on about the cowardice of the liberal lefty MSM…. the only problem is that as they control many of the means to air views and opinions and they don’t seem intent on berating themselves, there really isn’t anyone to level these charges at them, force them to respond to the charge, and demand they change….
Instead of the endless, and pointless, fuming about this on the blogosphere, does anyone have any practical suggestions?
If I lived in Washington DC, I’d take up Hitch’s proposal:
I wonder if anyone might feel like joining me in gathering outside the Danish Embassy in Washington, in a quiet and composed manner, to affirm some elementary friendship. Those who like the idea might contact me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), and those who live in other cities with Danish consulates might wish to initiate a stand for decency on their own account.
Could something similar be organised in one or two of the major Australian cities where there is a Danish consulate? Perhaps, as a suggestion, this is something Tim B might consider coordinating, since he now has a higher profile on the issue than almost anyone in this country.
Posted by Lionel Mandrake on 2006 02 22 at 03:08 AM • permalinkAfter reading Chris Hitchen’s suggestion, I was thinking of sending a card or email of support to the danish consulate here in Perth….
but then the thought did occur that not every danish person might agree with what was done or appreciate the furor its caused??? but then again we can still try to make the effort to show our support anyway….
the Czechs are at it again
Czech Foreign Minister says EU should demand apology for Moslem violence
The Czech Foreign Minister Cyril Svoboda wants the EU to demand an apology from Lebanon and Syria in connection with the attacks on Danish embassies by Moslem radicals. The Czech Foreign Minister said that while he did not approve of caricatures which hurt the feelings of believers, the Lebanese and Syrian governments were responsible for the protection and safety of embassies on their territory. The EU should take a joint stand on the matter, Mr. Svoboda said, because a show of disunity or doubt would only
fuel Islamic radicalism.Don’t forget to keep on buying Danish. Perhaps a list of Danish products available, and where, should be put on the Web somewhere. Denmark
Email.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
You may wish to join me in suggesting it to them. Perhaps the same could be done in the US and elsewhere.
Interesting information from the manual of the Muslim Brotherhood on the impostion of Islam on host countries.
Muslims must congregate in ghettoes so that they can impose political demands far in excess of the actual numbers of immigrants.(called a multiplier effect)
once established, these enclaves can function as Islamic states within the host country furthering expansion through Daw’ah.
Is this why there are now over 100 cases of honor killings in the UK that the liberalized British police cannot investigate ?I can’t find the Danish consulate in Perrth. But I ought $20 worth of Havarti Danish cheese and it’s jolly good! worth every penny. I have also had my club order some cases of Tuborg beer.
Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 02 22 at 05:06 AM • permalink>You’d expect Western liberals to be making more noise about this.
Yeah— just like they did in the Salman Rushdie affair.
Posted by Blithering Bunny on 2006 02 22 at 05:08 AM • permalinkbwfore you get that feel good feeling with your danish products you might read this about Arla foods
Dairy Producer Who Boycotted Israel Gets Boycotted by Muslims
Appeasing the radicals does not help. Here is another example. The Danish-Swedish diary giant Arla is the worst hit victim of the Muslim boycott of Danish products. Arab countries constituted Arla’s most important export markets. An article in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten today suggest that Arla itself has for many years been boycotting Israel .
Arla are denying these allegations!This is difficult to say but I’ll try to say it:
We’ve got to get rid of some of the liberal mental furniture that we have grown up with in our heads, and change our psychology and Weltenschauung all the way down;
We’ve got to stop seeing the Mohammetans as a wayward and overly rigid element in our pluralistic liberal culture, to be reasoned with and persuaded to live and let live;
We’ve got to stop worrying about whether we or the Mohammetans are being consistant,reasonable, fair or unfair, or whether or not we are employing double standards in argument and behaviour;
Those things don’t matter any more;
It doesn’t matter that 95% or whatever of Mohammetans don’t actually become suicide bombers, but merely passively accept Sharia law;
It doesn’t matter that I have a Mohammetan friend who is a gentle, kindly, honest and delightful man;
What matters is whether the West and civilization are going to live or die.
Those are the terms we must start thinking in.
Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 02 22 at 05:23 AM • permalinkLiberals’ have sold out human rights and universal values for ‘culture’. The world they defend is a series of mutually incomprehensible ghettos.
The Enlightenment freedoms the West struggled towards over centuries they don’t feel are worth defending any more. All that’s left is a kind of rootless ‘pity’ and feeble nonsense about ‘offence’.
Bloody disgrace.
#25 Can you post the Number or address here? I can’t find it.
Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 02 22 at 05:57 AM • permalink“The Danish Embassy in Canberra closed on 1 June 2002, with accreditation to Australia transferred to the Danish Embassy in Singapore. Denmark retains consulates in most capital cities in Australia.”
[url=http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/denmark/denmark_brief.html]http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/denmark/denmark_brief.html[/url]For the addresses, phone numbers and web/email details of the Royal Danish Consulates in
New South Wales, Queensland, South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria, Western Australia, Northern Territory see
[url=http://www.info.dfat.gov.au/Info/WebProtocol/WebProtocol.nsf/WebConsularList?OpenForm&DenmarkC;]http://www.info.dfat.gov.au/Info/WebProtocol/WebProtocol.nsf/WebConsularList?OpenForm&DenmarkC;[/url]It’s fun to criticise the lefties, and we all know they’ve got it coming many times over, but I also understand that this whole affair has been quite distressing for the amoralist, cultural-relativist atheo-secularists among us.
If only because it makes them realise that they have more in common with genuine liberals (i.e, people like me) and conservatives (people like John Howard) than they do with arch-reactionary Islamic opinion, which appears - in some cases - to reject the idea that non-believers can exist on the same planet as the faithful.
As for the lefties’ rags. Well, they’re obviously confused as well. After all, they employed Michael Leunig.
Don’t leave it to the liberals - do it yourself. Send a letter to those responsble. Plain Talking Jane has prepared email letters for NSW and Vic residents to send to their political, police and judicial leaders urging them to apply the law equally to all. She gives specific legal advice on the breaches of the law she (we) want the publishers and distributors of the Koran prosecuted for. Enough letters should give the politicians the spine to act, especially with elections in the air.
Posted by platey mates on 2006 02 22 at 08:19 AM • permalinkre: #32If only because it makes them realise that they have more in common with genuine liberals (i.e, people like me) and conservatives (people like John Howard) than they do with arch-reactionary Islamic opinion, which appears - in some cases - to reject the idea that non-believers can exist on the same planet as the faithful.
When you refer to “the faithful”, are you referring to Islam, or to all faiths?Italics fixed. The Management.
Bummer. All these italics going to waste.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 02 22 at 10:29 AM • permalinkBack OT, re #34, DBO, there’s some exaggeration, but in a basic sense, perfectsense is correct. The so-called “Religion of Peace” is using intimidation to push their cause. And doing a better job at it than the former Soviet Union did.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 02 22 at 10:32 AM • permalinkItalics are now fixed. I am fining you all thirty US dollars. Payable to me through my Paypal account. Grrr.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 02 22 at 11:00 AM • permalinkThrough your Papal account? You have an account with the Vatican Bank?
(oooohhh, your Paypal account)
Posted by wronwright on 2006 02 22 at 01:24 PM • permalinkIn order for western liberals to come to the aid of free speech, they would have to accept that all their niggling little “battles” against the Ultimate Twin Evils of Christianity and Conservatism were neither particularly useful nor important. That ain’t gonna happen—they need their sense of relevance. Without it, they are a null set.
You’d expect Western liberals to be making more noise about this.
You’d be wrong, of course….
Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2006 02 22 at 02:30 PM • permalink
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You’d expect so wouldn’t you? However, just like those other non-existent world problems such as Burrundi, Zimbabwe, the status of women other than in Government departments or Universities, etc, etc, its far easier to write a whiny letter to the Age or the SMH moaning about how ‘mean’ Australia has become under Howard.
That’ll show em’ brothers!