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The Australian arm of the international Truther movement is holding a conference in March at an unnamed “prestigious central Sydney” location.
Guest speaker? Helen Caldicott.
(Via Geoff C.)
UPDATE. Truthers have lately been active in Truthachusetts, shouting “That’s a lie”, “Not true” and “Shut up!” at non-believers. They’re a little like warmenists, that way.
who wants to spend $128 for a bunch of nuts when you can go down the supermarket and get half a kilo of cashews for under a fiver?
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2008 02 11 at 08:51 AM • permalinkTim’s headlines are generally pretty good - but this one is a cracker.
Though it does proceed on the basis that you can reduce credibility below zero, which would be tricky.
Posted by attilathepun on 2008 02 11 at 08:56 AM • permalinkAny Britishers out there? What on earth is causing this business? (May take a few seconds to load).
I can do no better than post a link to the South Park 9/11 conspiracy episode.
If youve never seen it its a bit slow to start but warms to its subject nicely.
These scum need to be spat on, not debated.
A bit from their site (pentagon link) sums up why they are fuckwits to other retards.
“...Despite the wild proliferation of dissenting views on the Official Story of the Pentagon attack, Philip D. Zelikow, the 9/11 commission’s executive director, is adamant:
The question of whether American 77 hit the Pentagon is indisputable ... One reason you tend to doubt conspiracy theories when you’ve worked in government is because you know government is not nearly competent enough to carry off elaborate theories. It’s a banal explanation, but imagine how efficient it would need to be.
We can at least comfort ourselves with the knowledge that the government is way too incompetent to organise a conspiracy!...”
dicks.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 02 11 at 09:10 AM • permalink#9 Paco, Britain has a bit of an Allah-related issue at the moment, similar to France and crews not being able to get into some areas. May that contribute?
And here’s to 10,000 more comments, as well as the memory of Roy Scheider, star of many excellent movies.
#10 Frollicking,
That’s why even middle-aged Truthers sound like teenagers. They lack the common sense to recognize the scale of the conspiracy they are proposing, and the impossibility of anyone bringing it off.
Truthers sound like people who have spent their lives in the basement reading comic books and watching bad TV shows.
#10 The beauty of Truthers is that they rely on being able to call the Government wildly incompetent, yet credit the Government with being able to pull off an attack which would require hundreds, if not thousands, of people to keep quiet and not feel at all guilty about any of it, plus everyone not noticing the explosives being planted.
If I was involved in such a thing, I would have sung like a bird years ago. Probably on 9/12.
#3 eenie
$128 may be a good value if they throw in meals and morning and afternoon teas.
The gig is for the whole weekend. So come to Sydney for the weekend, with fine dining at appointed times at a central location, see the sights - city central CBD, Darling harbour, take a bridge climb, enjoy the sights of the Rocks and the Opera House etc., all this with fantastic amusing convivial company at meal times.
This page should get trotted out every time a Truther opens his mouth.
Posted by attilathepun on 2008 02 11 at 09:30 AM • permalinkConspiracy eh? Well Aunty ONE jettisoned the old Public Media “Apollo 11 Moon Non landing” conspiracy line in order to advance the “Apollo Moon almost not landing” disaster scenario.
First J.F.K ‘s ten year Mooning project ALMOST blew up half of Florida courtesy of its faulty fuel tanks. Wistful might have beens and if onlys littered this terrifying Brit “doco”..the fuel tanks ALMOST self destructed, the training “lander” ALMOST crashed, its fuel tanks ALMOST ran out of fuel,the fragile skin of the lunar module was ALMOST penetrated, bright flashes of light on board COULD HAVE penetrated the crew
s bodies and caused them serious illness IF it had been over a long time period. The hatch ALMOST couldn’t be opened -people thought that Mission Control was extremely sophisticated but it WASN’T…they even veered off into a “Close Encounters” scenario.
Prior was the fair and unbiased “Gunslingers for Hire in Afghanistan” in which a beeb? presenter gets a tank “mercenary” smashed and feeds anti American propaganda “questions” to him.
Also a “Oz Story ” in which two gene pool escapees cover their own exploits in glory while shitting on the capabilities of “sea shepherd” their weirdy host. Before that Jon Holmes excuses himself for avoiding Mediawatch like the plague (a pardonable offence) and now hosting it -they can’t dredge up anyone else.
Lastly Red Kerry’s sickening old beanbag of a face horrifyingly digitally reversed from snarling to a winsomely avuncular and wistfully grimacing smile. That’s our Anty One…“Lt Col Bob Bowman (US) Former Director, Advanced Space Programs Development under Ronald Reagan”
Normally this crowd would use Mr Bowman’s previous association with the Reagan Administration to discredit him. I’m not quite sure what he brings to the table regarding 9/11 through his involvement in “Advanced Space Programs Development.” Is there an outer space angle here that I’ve missed?
Old Caldicot still around? I lost track of this alarmist bint/nut job years ago. She must be mighty miffed at the fall of the Soviet Union. What the hell is a ‘DU’? and how do you become an ‘expert’? My next question, is after George Bush has retired, who will she and her ‘paragons of the truth’ have a conference on next? Pity it could not be combined with ‘RuddFest 08’ and the ‘Sorry People’ event, thus saving the ABC a little time. Cover the whole thing as a job lot.
Just where do these arse angels get off?
These people consider themselves to be philosophically exceptional.
They can’t exist without pulling down the system and what’s left? Why it’s them. In all their fucking brilliance.
Does one run a country based on their shit theories? Take away the honorifics and what have you got…a bunch of frustrated, conspiracy driven taxi drivers.
Thruthachusetts. Har. Taxachusetts was getting a bit old.
Posted by rightwingprof on 2008 02 11 at 11:46 AM • permalinkThe conference will also address how the US and Australian governments have actively sponsored, or been complicit in the cover-up, of terrorism.
Well, glad to see the troofers are keeping an open mind.
#24 Dan: I believe Bowman was fobbed off with the assignment of preparing a defense against Marvin the Martian’s illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator. He must have done a great job because, well, here we all are.
What we really need is a unified field theory that ties together the assassinations of JFK and MLK, the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa, the Roswell UFO incident, the Bermuda Triangle, global warming, 9/11 and the common cold. This would give us a sort of über truthiness which would explain it all. Get cracking, theoreticians!
Wronwright: I assume Karl has some special interest in seeing this rock stay within the bounds of your jurisdiction. Maybe it will make up for the Pope hat.
There is a move afoot in France to grant Hirsi Ali citizenship, plus government-funded protection . I’m glad to hear it, but I imagine that most of the country’s urban areas would be “no-go” zones for her.
My God!
Don’t they realise that if they all meet in a single place they will be playing into the Government’s hands - all it will take is a single accident to hush them up forever.
Posted by Toiling Mass on 2008 02 11 at 03:43 PM • permalinkAll i want to know about Truthers are the GPS coordinates…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 11 at 03:46 PM • permalinkWhat we really need is a unified field theory that ties together the assassinations of JFK and MLK, the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa, the Roswell UFO incident, the Bermuda Triangle, global warming, 9/11 and the common cold.
*looks around carefully*
*leans close*
Okay, but you didn’t hear this from me ...
JFK and MLK were actually—
*gack*
*thud*
#13 “The beauty of Truthers is that they rely on being able to call the Government wildly incompetent”
No, the Western governments, particularly the Anglo ones, give the universal impression of incompetence, but only as a cunning cover for their terribly evil diabolism -
We must get our paranoia very clear, or we’ll all be doomed. We only know that everything they tell us is wrong. That is our security.#22: Here’s what I wrote to the ABC science show about the nonsense they put on last night:
Watched this last night, and I’ve never seen such complete and utter nonsense in a long time.First: the “UFO” was one of the panels from the S4B booster. (The ones that open up to let them dock with the Lunar Module). NASA didn’t track those, only tracking the S4B body itself.
Buzz Aldrin was, OF COURSE, taken out of context, because in the interview, he told them that they knew that’s what it was, but OF COURSE, they edited that bit out.
The footage they showed of the “UFO” was from a later mission, which specifically looked for the S4B panels. In fact NASA wanted to make sure that the panels didn’t interfere with the missions.The Lunar Module DID NOT land with a mere 15 seconds of fuel. There was plenty, and a safety margin, beyond which Armstrong, as a professional would not have gone past.
The 102 alarm which “by luck, a minor worker understood, because he had accidentally discovered it during a test”, was known. And it wasn’t discovered accidentally, the dedication of mission control meant that someone, somewhere in the Mission Control Room knew. That’s why they rehearsed it so often, and so much. Note that that alarm was not experienced again, because the programmer flushed the data buffers on future missions.
“Against all odds, Apollo 11 was coming home”, is dreadful writing. Because ALL of the odds were that it was going to work. It had been tested, literally, thousands of times.
As for the Ascent and Descent engines, BOTH had been tested multiple times, both unmanned launches, and manned. Apollo ( and 10) tested the LEM thoroughly, and enormous amounts of money and time were spent during the whole construction process.
It wasn’t a ball point pen. It was a felt tipped pen.
And lastly, what the heck is this nonsense about “The computers were the equivalent of today’s digital watch, in fact today’s digital watches probably have more power” Well, DUH!, of course they do. It’s called progress. But it doesn’t mean that you can’t do it. Heavens above, before we had calculators, there was this thing called a “Slide rule” (those of you to young to remember, please forgive me).
They built Nuclear Reactors using nothing more than slide rules and an accountants printer. Einstein used pen and paper, and chalk and a blackboard.
The 3 first nuclear bombs were designed using slide rules and chalk and a blackboard.
I think you get my drift. I thought it was a dreadful program, that gave a false impression. I gave it a 1 out of 10.
Paco 9, and Ash, as commented by Missred it has nothing necessarily to do with Musbyterian communities. This phenomenon has been reported in the journal “Viz”. The young Geordie Biffa Bacon is cooking chips and accidentally sets the kitchen “a’had”. Later he and his father wait outside their conflagrating house and when the fire dept turn up his father says “Reet lad, yer ready?” and they start pelting the firemen with half bricks.
The comic was funny, but mind-boggling otherwise. New, not.Posted by ooh honey honey on 2008 02 11 at 07:34 PM • permalinkWanglese, I love what you said to them. And in an attempt to draw two topics together here, the ABC’s attitude to NASA (desparately revealing their desire for everything to go wrong, or that the whole exercise can only be validated by tragedy) is related to disaffected British youth hoying brickbats at the symbols of civilisation, I refer you to one of Hal Colebatch’s best ever articles where he compares the movies The Full Monty and October Sky.
Posted by ooh honey honey on 2008 02 11 at 07:55 PM • permalink#548
Yeah I saw it too, but thought it was more like; potential disasters averted by attention to detail and mastery of physics and application of existing technology; meticulous pre planning and training; complex problems solved simply, competent and disciplined command and control structures and above all taking the risk head on.
Still a vivid memory sitting in a crowded classroom in front of a black and white TV watching it happen.
If the show was an attempt to decry the effort, then it failed miserably
#54 Wanglese. Hear hear. That doco was a load of rubbish. Buzz must have shit a brick when(if) he saw it afterwards.
I’ve always admired Armstrong’s refusal to do interviews. Firstly, he sees the “first man” mantle as utterly ridiculous and also as an insult to all those who got them to the surface (and back.) By declining interviews, he give the “first man” palaver the minimum amount of oxygen, with the added benefit of never (well almost never) having his words twisted by knaves.
“I want the worms to get into me when I’m soft and juicy”—Helen Caldicott
Can’t get a man interested, eh?
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 11 at 09:28 PM • permalinkPickles, next you’ll be suggesting that someone who happened to be white once achieved something. Or that “achievement” is good thing. Or even that things are achieved! Heresies!
(We sat in the corridor.)Posted by ooh honey honey on 2008 02 11 at 09:29 PM • permalink#47 Dammit! Somebody conspired to steal my GPS! And my mortar, now that I look around…
WRONWRIGHT…!
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 11 at 09:54 PM • permalinkHarping on about the dumb Apollo 11 documentary again, I’ve just had a colleague remind me that Buzz Aldrin, the “professor of Rendezvous” (because he basically wrote the book on orbital rendezvous), used a sextant in Gemini. That’s right, a sextant, and some paper and a pen. You know, Like sailors can still do today. Like Captain Cook, and also the first fleeters did, before there were GPS’s.
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