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"Environmentalists should be happy China has at least made a gesture to address its emissions,” reports J.F. Beck. “Rather than applaud China they fret that Kyoto is under attack.” Read the whole post.
Spiny Norman has it. This is a political and economic agenda. It’s a massive transfer scheme draining capital from the US into third world countries-or simply transfering capital from the US to whomever. The US is the great Satan to these people. The US is bent on exporting this agenda throughout the world via the US military and it must be stopped. That is Kyoto in a nutshell(pardon the pun).
Kyoto was never about global warming. It was always about crippling the industrial nations economically, and in particular in ham-stringing the US economy.
The “environmentalists” hate this new proposal because it won’t ham-string the US economy even if it does decrease CO2 emissions.
Posted by Steven Den Beste on 2005 07 28 at 12:57 PM • permalinkIt’s good to see the new package. By bringing India and China into the fold it leaves Kyoto looking like a lame duck.
The 1990 emission target was always arbitrary and meant to suit Europe. The idea of picking a year out of the air and setting limits was always an unimaginative and bureaucratic approach.
If played correctly Kyoto advocates will begin to look like the people who refused to ditch their beta video players for VHS.
It was far from being unimaginative. 1990 was selected very, very carefully because it was an unusual year economically.
Posted by Steven Den Beste on 2005 07 28 at 06:04 PM • permalinkThe non-industrial, non-capitalist Utopistan was being built by the Taliban - returning to a 7th Century physical-environment is a goal and a role-model.
Posted by -keith in mtn. view on 2005 07 28 at 07:26 PM • permalinkObviously, the resultant of all this green posturing is to bankrupt the western democracies, forcing millions to migrate (seek asylum?) to Africa and the Middle East and take up susbsistence farming.
I’m sure they will be most welcoming.
Posted by Jay Santos on 2005 07 28 at 07:34 PM • permalinkDare I hope that this is just politics to defeat a political monster. Kyoto was always junk science and [I hope] this is recognised at the highest level in our government. Unfortunately though the whole Kyoto thing has become a new kind of religion with a huge pack of followers, all with their heads in the trough for government money to support uneconomic power generation projects or to provide research grants to prove once more that the earth may be flat somewhere.
So what better way to defeat the loony protocol than to create another one. However, this time there will be no targets [because there is no need for any] but a group of nations will work together to develop more efficient means of energy production. Motherhood stuff perhaps and it will be interesting to see the details of the agreement. It should be broad enough to deflect the critics and generous enough to allow some genuine research into new technologies that are potentially of benefit to all and at the same time provide the means by which Kyoto and its followers may be quietly shafted.
I think that President Bush’s biggest mistake over Kyoto was not having a plan like this ready to go when he rejected the treaty. It would have blunted much of the (mostly moronic) criticism, and may have attracted countries like Russia, who had reservations about Kyoto, but were prodded into it by the EU countries.
Bob Brown shows his true colours here. The idea that the coal industry might be able to control its CO2 emissions really disturbs him. His real objection is not to the emissions of the coal industry, but to its existence, evidently because it symbolises Western consumption and “decadence”. It is dirty, i.e. ideologically unsound.
I think that President Bush’s biggest mistake over Kyoto was not having a plan like this ready to go when he rejected the treaty.
Bush didn’t reject the treaty; the Senate did back before Bush was elected.
I’d chalk this one alongside Bush’s efforts in re AIDS in Africa—he’s not paying the lip service the left wants, but is really doing something, so he’ll never get any credit for it.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2005 07 28 at 10:06 PM • permalinkAnd especially the Kyoto protocols, Gruntled. Those are little more than an level-the-economic-playground, with no genuine environmental benefits.
I actually care about the environment myself (even though I would be characterized as a cold hearted, blood spattered RWDB by some leftie folks). This includes (among other things) seeking a personal life style that minimizes my impact on the environment. Not that I eschew luxuries or comfort, no sir! “Sustainable” is the key word to me.
It’s just that I (and other like me) are tired of being treated like chumps by the “environmentalist” groups. Said groups being more interested in donations than making a difference.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 01 at 08:59 AM • permalink
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As if any more proof were necessary, they’ve shown themselves not to be genuine environmentalists, but merely run-of-the-mill knee-jerk anti-capitalist dopes.