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The first death resulting from French rioting:
A man beaten up during violence in a riot-hit suburb north of Paris died of his injuries yesterday.
Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec, who was attacked on Friday evening and had been in a coma since then, was the first person to die as a result of the riots that began on October 27.
He was attacked as he talked with a neighbour in a public housing estate in the tough suburb of Stains.
His widow, speaking after meeting Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, said of the aggressor: “I want these people punished.”
So far, according to Reuters:
* 77 police and 31 fire fighters have been injured;
* 1,200 insurgents have been arrested;
* 20 insurgents have been convicted (heaviest sentence: one year);
* And 4,700 cars have been incinerated.
UPDATE. Rioters go postal. And churchal, and warehousal, and filmal:
Even the small village of Villedieu-du-Temple, 12km from the southern town of Montauban, saw six postal vehicles destroyed.
Among the targets of the rioters were churches, nursery and primary schools, town-halls and police stations as well as warehouses, car dealerships and a film-studio at Asnieres outside Paris. In the Normandy city of Rouen rioters used a car as a battering ram against a police station.
UPDATE II. Five cars torched in Brussels; another five burned in Berlin.
UPDATE III. Tony Parkinson:
The French Government has reacted too slowly, both to the social and political challenges and, in these past days, to the violence.
For years, the French have accused American racism of provoking riots in the US in the 1960s, as well as the more recent LA riots after the beating of Rodney King. Now, it is French policies on race and religion that invite scrutiny.
A hands-off policing strategy in inner-city estates has emboldened Muslim radicals. They run the neighbourhoods. They intimidate the locals. They enforce their own version of sharia. They have become a law unto themselves.
UPDATE IV. French suburban insurgents are culturally American:
They wear hoods, baggy jeans and brand-name sneakers and their heroes are American rappers such as 50 Cent. They describe their antagonists as “white”, hate the police and when they are fighting they say they’re “dancing with wolves”.
UPDATE V. Victorian politics has turned Parisian:
Police were called to internal ALP elections in the western suburbs after the alleged assault in the federal seat of Gorton about 10am and a brawl involving up to 20 people in the neighbouring federal electorate of Maribyrnong about 4pm.
His widow, speaking after meeting Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, said of the aggressor: “I want these people punished.”
Oh, this is exactly the type of unfortunate talk that will make the protestors rightly incensed with fury of a
MuslimAfricanimmigrantdisadvantaged persons’ nature. This is not constructive talk. Let the head rolling begin.(maybe that’s the wrong words to use here)
Posted by wronwright on 2005 11 07 at 11:32 AM • permalinkCompletely out of the blue speculation: within one year France will be calling on NATO to honor its commitments and send troops.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 11 07 at 11:35 AM • permalinkThe US should only commit to setting up a training school in New Orleans for UN troops, as France is too dangerous for US forces “at the moment”.
Frances foreign policy has boomawronged back into its face and here’s the perfect song for the occasion.
“Danger! High Voltage”
Fire in the disco
Fire in the taco bell
Fire in the disco
Fire in the gates of hellDon’t you want to know how we keep starting fires?
It’s my desire, It’s my desire, It’s my desireDon’t you want to know how we keep starting fires?
It’s my desire, It’s my desire, It’s my desireDanger! Danger! High Voltage!
When we touch, When we kiss
Danger! Danger! High Voltage!
When we touch, when we kiss
When we touchDanger! Danger! High Voltage!
When we touch, When we kiss
Danger! Danger! High Voltage!
When we touch, when we kiss
When we touch, when we kissDon’t you want to know how we keep starting fires?
It’s my desire, It’s my desireDon’t you want to know how we keep starting fires?
It’s my desire, It’s my desireDanger! Danger! High Voltage!
When we touch, When we kiss
Danger! Danger! High Voltage!
When we touch, when we kiss
When we touchDanger! Danger! High Voltage!
When we touch, When we kiss
Danger! Danger! High Voltage!
When we touch, when we kiss
When we touch, when we kissNo more
Fire in the disco
Fire in the disco
Fire in the taco bell
Fire in the disco
Fire in the disco
Fire in the gates of HellGates of Hell
And the common link is…...
A:Theyre all young people??
B:All F**ed in the head??
C:All Musso immigrants ??
D:All of the above??Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 11 07 at 12:08 PM • permalinkJust a question but how do you get arrested and convicted in 8-9 days?
Posted by IcallMasICM on 2005 11 07 at 12:23 PM • permalinkAs stated in the link: “The Belgian authorities admitted that cars had been destroyed, but is reluctant to give more details because “the Brussels Fire Brigade is providing no further information in order to avoid knowledge of these acts of violence spreading.” Believe it or not, that is the official explanation.”
Hey, the Belgies should be assured that they have the happy cooporation, as has been amply demonstrated, of the western so-called press in suppressing the news, especially the New York Times and the Washington Post.This is all the fault of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who called the oppressed demonstrators “scum,” thereby enraging them.
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2005 11 07 at 12:30 PM • permalinkIs it time for sympathetic head tilts yet? And to whom do we tilt them? I’m sooooooo confused. I thought this sort of thing wasn’t supposed to happen in the EU.
And surely we can’t call these unhappy folks ‘rioters’ so what do we call them? Is insurgents too strong? Reuters, where are you?
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2005 11 07 at 12:37 PM • permalinkAnd it started in Germany last night:
“BERLIN/BREMEN, Germany—Youths set cars on fire overnight in Berlin and Bremen, causing officials to investigate links to the riots in neighboring France. Five cars burned in Berlin’s working class district Moabit on early Monday morning. No one was hurt, according to police reports. Meanwhile, in the northern city of Bremen, three cars, a closed-off former school building and trash cans were set afire…”
Rich #4, there won’t be anything left in a year… I give them a month.
I am enjoying my favorite German dish of Schadenfreude right now…
How’s that appeasement strategy working out? Jock? Hans? Oh, but it’s not about Muslim fanatics, these are just kids with too much homework, right?UPDATE IV. French suburban insurgents are culturally American:
The adjective cultural has 4 meanings:
1. of or relating to the arts and manners that a group favors
2. denoting or deriving from or distinctive of the ways of living built up by a group of people
3. of or relating to the shared knowledge and values of a society
4. relating to the raising of plants or animalsSo , let me understand, if you dress like younger ‘rapper’ type Americans, eat cheeseburgers, (sorry Vegemite fans) constantly borrow money from the folks, and/or are growing Variegated Ivy, own a dog, one is “culturally American, do I have that right?
Pray tell, what is one, if they have a little rug, pray 5 times daily, hate Jews, behead people?
Paris’s Burning!
(with apologies to the Clash)All across the Loire, all across the Seine
Ev’ry one who has a match has got a foreign name
Makmoud takes a Renault on, Kwakoo goes Peugot,
Fatima serves Molotovs; watch McDonald’s glow!Paris is burning like Jean d’Arc now
Paris is burning ev’ry night night night night nightIn Katrina’s aftermath, an urban renewal job
When Chimpy wasn’t there next day Chirac opened his gob
Well where’s Old Wormy been this past fortnight of constant blaze?
Strolling on St. Honore, shopping at Hermes?Paris is burning like Jean d’Arc now
Paris is burning ev’ry night night night night nightWatch the nightly news you’d never know Paris’s aflame
‘Cos all they want to talk about is friggin’ old Mz. Plame
Mobs wander ‘round the Elyssee, the mobs have found their groove,
See cars are now so ancien they’re heading for the Louvre!Paris is burning like Jean d’Arc now
Paris is burning ev’ry night night night night nightPosted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 11 07 at 03:12 PM • permalinkI stand a vous awestruck avec mon Bingster!!
Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 11 07 at 03:20 PM • permalinkThis has been going on for a week and a freakin’ half now. The ‘92 riots in L.A. (to bring up the favorite comparison from threads gone by) lasted less than a week. Where’s the mayor of Paris? Where’s the police chief? Daryl Gates (chief of police in L.A. in ‘92) got hammered for being at a rubber chicken dinner the first night. By the second day, there was a curfew and cop cars riding shotgun for the fire trucks. The CHP had also pulled in every available officer, feds were coming in on everything but bicycles, and the National Guard was mustering. Misbehavior ramped down steeply from that point on, despite the MSM’s efforts to keep it going.
Katrina, W and the ‘slow federal response’ don’t have nuttin’ on the French, baby. How poetic that he who so lectureth the world hath also showeth how he bloweth refuse par derrière à lui.
Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 11 07 at 04:51 PM • permalinkAnd the little flame throwers are already busy tonight as well.
Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 11 07 at 04:53 PM • permalinkWatching the news this morning at the processing center, I had to wonder just where the war is at…...and how hard the French connived to stop the Iraq invasion. So much for appeasement.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 11 07 at 05:00 PM • permalinkand how hard the French connived to stop the Iraq invasion. So much for appeasement.
Probably figured the whole powderkeg would have gone off back in 2003 if they hadn’t done that (among other reasons, of course, e.g. Oil-For-Food). If they’d been even remotely intelligent, they would have used the bought time to prepare, but doesn’t look like they did that at all.
This morning’s news:
A large scale terrorist attack in Australia has been foiled following the arrests of up to 15 people in Melbourne and Sydney early today, New South Wales Police Commissioner Ken Moroney says.
“I’m satisfied that we have disrupted what I would regard as the final stages of a large scale terrorist attack ... here in Australia,” he told ABC radio.
Mr Moroney said 400 officers including federal and state police were involved in raids in several south-western Sydney suburbs, including Wiley Park.
“Six male persons have been arrested,” he said.
“They’re currently being interviewed by police and my expectation is that those persons variously will appear in Sydney courts this morning.”
A further nine arrests were made in Melbourne early today, the ABC reported.
I saw this on the news on SUnrise (channel 7). There goes my computer-free day. At 6.30am the raids were still in process and the reporter was standing in the rain outside one of the houses in the Sydney suburbs. Apparently they started about 10pm last night.
The words used on the teev, were ‘in custory’ as opposed to ‘under arrest.’
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 11 07 at 05:09 PM • permalinkOn the twelfth day of rioting, Fairfax gave to me:
12 fire-bombed churches
11 schools in ashes
10 cities burning
9 shots a ringing,
8 crisis meetings,
7 dumpsters burning,
6 ransacked buses,
5 scorched Peugoooooots,
4 broken skulls,
3 tear gas bombs,
2 Crispy teens,
And not a word that they might be Muslims.#31, thanks for the heads-up. Will this lead to riots in Lakemba? Will the rioting be blamed by the media on a lack of social welfare?
France is declaring a curfew. I guess after 12 days, Chirac finally finished the French edition of “My Pet Goat.”
It is much longer than the US edition, which caused President Bush to wait 7 minutes before springing into action on 9/11. It has 100 pages were the heroine discusses her enui with bourgoise society, 300 where she and her goat discuss the relative merits and Jean Paul Sarte and 1005 pages describing how the goat smpkes cigarettes.
It ends in mid sentence, as the goat expalins the sheer nothing ness of it all.
They wear hoods, baggy jeans and brand-name sneakers and their heroes are American rappers such as 50 Cent.
In the 1970’s young Ohioan males wore hooded fleece sweatshirts under their coats because they were warm, comfortable, and cheap. You could wear them with a winter coat or with a fall jacket, they were very functional. Add a baseball cap with it, preferably for the Cincinnati Reds, and you have a great fall/winter ensemble. Little did I know this would be adopted by the European youth as a rebellious article of clothing.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 11 07 at 06:20 PM • permalinkTo follow up on #31, In this morning’s Age there is this opinion piece. In which Amjid Muhammed explains why “The radical views of some Australian Muslims are not a threat - political intolerance is”.
Also red Kerry on the 7:30 report lead last night with a story about sceptics questioning the anti-terror ammendments. From the website:
It’s now five days since an urgent amendment to the existing anti-terror legislation was rushed through the Parliament - including a hastily-recalled Senate - to combat a potential threat revealed by the Prime Minister. And still, there are no arrests or apparent anti-terror raidsI love the left when it get its timing so right.
at 9.44am today, channel 7 has a press conference with NSW premier the Police Minister and now the Police Commissioner.
360 police were involved, 7 alternately ‘in custody’ or ‘under arrest’ in NSW, 5 of whom appear to be Australian citizens. No news from
BrackistanVictoria yet.All male, to be charged in the criminal courts this morning and bail to be opposed.
(police comm says 6 men arrested)
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 11 07 at 06:50 PM • permalinkFurther,
Questions from press about whether PMs announcement of legislation changes and what impact it had on this investigation - apparently no real impact as this had been ongoing for some months and there was a high level of co-operation from all parties, state and fed.
1 man shot in Green Valley by police.
In NSW there is the Police Terrorism Powers Act, and there the Commish is referring to London and the aftermath there.
Finally got a tape in the vid. will transcribe the rest when rugrat asleep
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 11 07 at 06:54 PM • permalinkImagine the number of burnt cars gets to 6000 (not unlikely). The total population of France is somewhere about 60 million. Thus, the burning\person ratio is about 1 in 10 000.
A similar ratio in my city of Adelaide (population - about 1 million) would mean that in the last week and a half some 100 cars would have been burnt.
Can anyone seriously believe that the Premier would have taken 10 days to make a comment over this? Or that the local cops wouldn’t have been on the streets and making arrests from night one?
Mind you, Webdiary would have still been looking for the ‘root causes’ in either case…
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2005 11 07 at 06:57 PM • permalinkI heard Bracks on 3AW say this morning the charges primarily relate to being a member of a terrorist organisation and that arrests could not proceed previously as there was no know target. ie after the change in legislation the membership of that terrorist organisation was an offence but not before the changes.
Is it just me, or is that Webdiary article referenced in comment #43 incredibly poorly-written?
“So we stayed in small hotels and wife too came to love the city and together we explored the surrounding “quartiers” visited little suburban markets and old streets along forgotten canals, always rejoicing in the very fact that we were there.
That’s one of the shittiest sentences I’ve read in a long time.
Posted by HisHineness on 2005 11 07 at 08:40 PM • permalink#8 That shows you the superiority of the progressive, advanced French legal system, with its presumption that the defendent is guilty, over the obsolete, medieval, and ridiculous Anglo-Saxon system with its jury trials, due process of law, and presumption of innocence.
#48 Poorly written? On Webdiary? You must be joking. The words are correctly spelled, what more could you want, clarity, sense? C’mon!
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 11 07 at 11:51 PM • permalink48 HH
Is it just me, or is that Webdiary article referenced in comment #43 incredibly poorly-written?
There are certain standards to be upheld at Webdiary, regardless of labor-intensivity or so-called “readability” issues. The sentence in question had to be laboriously cobbled together from three (3!) ordinary sentences. And here’s you, being unappreciative. tsk tsk tsk
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2005 11 08 at 05:40 PM • permalink
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