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RELIGION VS. VICTORIA’S SECRET
NYC activist Bill Talen exposes the shocking link between Victoria’s Secret catalogues and global warming:
Vicki’s dirty little Secret is that it clear-cuts boreal forests for its one-million-a-day-catalogs.
You mean they use trees to make that paper document? Whoever would have guessed. Bill—aka Reverend Billy—seems a little obsessed by the popular lingerie manufacturer:
His latest preaching against Victoria’s Secret’s catalogues if of dire importance, he says, because it’s a matter of life and death for the planet.
Talen has teamed with the group ForestEthics, which is leading the campaign against a half-dozen of the country’s largest catalogue producers and which has highlighted Victoria’s Secret, in particular, because its catalogue is so iconic and identified with the brand.
Talen saw Al Gore’s new film, “An Inconvenient Truth,” and was deeply affected. Global-warming prophet Gore has further fueled Talen’s environmental fervor.
He’s particularly excited over the plight of bears:
“The North Pole is becoming soupy,” Talen said. “Polar bears are drowning — they can’t find ice to stand on. It’s an emergency and we seem unable to say it’s an emergency. It’s like a horror movie. There just isn’t anyone standing up against this except Al Gore.”
He won’t be standing once we take away all his ice. At least Bill and Al don’t have to deal with hurricanes this year. In other environmental news, we’re running out of oil:
D.H. Killeffer had a dire warning for gasoline-greedy Americans. The chemical engineer had crunched the numbers—he compared the country’s production of crude oil with its thirst for gasoline. “Estimates based on the most complete data now available place the end of our gasoline supply between ten and twenty years, with the odds in favor of ten rather than twenty,” Killeffer, secretary of the New York division of the American Chemical Society, wrote in the New York Times.
The year was 1925.
His latest preaching against Victoria’s Secret’s catalogues if of dire importance, he says, because it’s a matter of life and death for the planet.
Read: It’s the only way I’ll conquer my obsessive jacking problem.
Posted by eraserhead on 2006 08 21 at 11:28 AM • permalinkLove the Khillifer quote.
You know, we might even run out of oil - sometime in the future. Goodness, we have previously run out of horses.
We will run out of energy, though.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 21 at 11:41 AM • permalinkNothing wrong with looking for alternative energy sources. But the idea that Peak Oil is upon us is about as absurd now as it was back in 1925. The Saudis aren’t even bothering to look for more oil. A snippet from The Economist, August 10, 2006:
Saudi Aramco’s proved reserves alone could keep the world supplied for several decades. But it is only exploiting ten of its 80 or so fields, so will be able to pump at the present rate for about 70 years even if it never discovers another drop of oil. In fact, Aramco and other NOCs are likely to find plenty more if they look, since their territory has not been very thoroughly explored. Only 2,000 wildcat wells have ever been dug in the countries around the Gulf, according to Leonardo Maugeri, an Italian oilman, compared with more than 1m wells in the United States.
The Feminist author Susan Faludi, in her book Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women, saw the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy behind Victoria’s Secret, too.
By marketing inexpensive frilly feminine underwear to Middle American housewives, the theory goes, The Man was keeping women from being elected President or something…
Lefty Progressives: Why Do They Hate Push Up Bras?
“The North Pole is becoming soupy”.We’re going to have to increase crouton production….
Posted by Daniel San on 2006 08 21 at 12:34 PM • permalinkThe North Pole is becoming soupy
Hmmm, wonder what kind of soup? North Arctic Bear Chowder? Or is it really more of a bisque?
I’m getting hungryPosted by Shaky Barnes on 2006 08 21 at 12:36 PM • permalinkHmmm, wonder what kind of soup? North Arctic Bear Chowder? Or is it really more of a bisque?
Rather like a chilled vichysoisse, I’d imagine.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 08 21 at 12:39 PM • permalink12 Rather like a chilled vichysoisse, I’d imagine.
What? Chilled vichyssoise? I always take mine heated. Oh, hold on a sec, looks like Michael Lonie calling. Hey, Mike. Huh? It’s SUPPOSED to be cold? Are you sure? Geez, how am I going to get out of this without looking like a total bumpkin? Hmmm. Yeah, that ought to work. Thanks, Mike!
Oh, did you say “vichyssoise”? My mistake. I thought you said SpaghettiO’s.
Who could forget the Club of Rome, which, in (I think) 1970 boldly predicted we’d be out of oil by 1990?
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 08 21 at 12:48 PM • permalink#14 James Waterton, Your memory is incredible. You’re absolutely correct. I interviewed Forrester in 1970 (Professor at M.I.T. who was chief supporter of the Club of Rome stance) who spouted the same BS (Ed: not Bachelor of Science) with the same lack of evidence.Forrester was not a scientist, but an engineer, so lack of evidence behind a theory didn’t bother him much. (He did devise the first internet, however.)
I’ve been searching the web for information about these damn drowning polar bears. It seems that back in 2004 a government expedition spotted 4 dead bears in the water and assumed that they had drowned.
That’s it. None before and none since (please enlighten me if i am mistaken)So boo-hoo for the four bears. Maybe they were just stupid bears and this is just natural selection. Maybe they should win a Darwin award. But unless they’re drowning in vast numbers and clogging up our water intake pipes, I say to hell with them.
Extra! Extra! Village Voice Blog Picks Up The Fight!
Last I check, the Voice is published on paper. Substandard paper, but still paper.
Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2006 08 21 at 01:54 PM • permalinkI thought that up till now Victoria’s Secret got a Get Out Of Jail Free Card because the worms unionized and fair trade, while the lingerie herds were free range and free of steroids.
Posted by Pat Patterson on 2006 08 21 at 02:53 PM • permalinkCrikey, don’t show Reverend Billy the Sears catalogue. VS does send out a lot of catalogues, though. And although many of them come with the warning “This could be your LAST catalogue”, it’s nearly impossible to get off their mailing list.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 08 21 at 03:02 PM • permalink“...it’s nearly impossible to get off their mailing list.”
Why would I want to get off it, Kyda? ;-P
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 21 at 03:37 PM • permalinkTalen has teamed with the group ForestEthics, which is leading the campaign against a half-dozen of the country’s largest catalogue producers and which has highlighted Victoria’s Secret, in particular, because its catalogue is so iconic and identified with the brand.
What are the odds that this group is secretly engaging in some guerilla marketing for Victoria’s Secret? I mean, just a small change and ForestEthics becomes ForEsthetics.
(Yes, I know the word is more commonly spelled with “ae”, but please indulge me.)
#6
But the idea that Peak Oil is upon us is about as absurd now as it was back in 1925.
Not half as absurd as the first recorded prediction that oil was running out: 1854 (IIRC), 5 years before the world’s first oil well was sunk! I’ll look for the link when I’ve got more time…
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 08 21 at 04:01 PM • permalinkWhat are the odds that this group is secretly engaging in some guerilla marketing for Victoria’s Secret? I mean, just a small change and ForestEthics becomes ForEsthetics.
Oh, pretty good, I would say, PW. There’s nothing a little sabotage to spice up lingerie!!!!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 21 at 04:55 PM • permalinkWell Hubbert was correct, the US lower 48 peaked in oil production as he predicted in 1971. He also suggested that world oil supply would peak in the 1990’s, which it didn’t, most likely because of the demand destruction caused by the oil shocks, it probably put his prediction out by 15 or so years.
Peak oil production is not the same as running out, it just means it becomes more difficult and expensive to extract at the same rate. Peak oil really means the end of cheap oil.
[url=http://www.peakoil.com]http://www.peakoil.com[/url]
[url=http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/]http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/[/url]#6, Gharwar is SA’s largests and oldest field now has a watercut of approx 30%~55%, the field that BP partially shutdown in Alaska, because of corrision in the infrastructure, has a watercut of 70%. Watercut is the result of pumping water into wells to keep the pressure up at the production heads, as the oil depletes, the amount of water at the production well increases, So BP were getting 3 barrels of water for every barrel of oil produced.
or there abouts.I’m thinking Webdiary has role to play here.
If Margo and the “Management Team” where to approve of the Victoria Secret catalogue appearing on the Treesaver 2055 not another tree would have to be cut down again, ever!
Posted by Hank Reardon on 2006 08 21 at 06:38 PM • permalinkScoff all you like people, but Mr Talen is onto something here.
I was down at my newsagent investigating this phenomena, starting by taking off the plastic coverings on some magazines. I want to know exactly what it is they don’t want me to see. Next thing I know the “newsagent” (aka timber/plastic/oil industry operative) is throwing me out of the shop and calling me a “pervert”.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 08 21 at 06:43 PM • permalinkAll these eco-wankers seem to be ignorant of the fact that all those catalogues (and magazines and newspapers) are printed on paper made from a pulpwood crop. Millions of acres of trees grown just to be cut down and made into paper….with new trees planted to take their place. Just like a corn field, only slower growing. What a bunch of maroons.
Posted by bill schumm on 2006 08 21 at 06:53 PM • permalinkThat was the first thing I thought when I read this fellow’s idiotic babblings about “boreal forests.” Does this idiot actually think valuable virgin forests are cut down for something as crass and common as paper? It took me three seconds on Google to find this simple article, obviously written for kids (and thus it may be somewhat over the average envirotard’s heads) which explains all about how various types of paper is made, and where the wood comes from: either tree farms where they are grown for that purpose, or from leftover lumber scraps.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 08 21 at 07:05 PM • permalink35
Next thing I know the “newsagent” (aka timber/plastic/oil industry operative) is throwing me out of the shop and calling me a “pervert”.
My good acquaintance Margos Maid. It was probably because the plastic was clear and you were drooling on the magazines.
I must admit, from what you say, it does sound as though it was a bit harsh and done in poor manner.
#30, uh no, Peak Oil means a bunch of fucknut loons babbling on about the total collapse of society and civilization in a sudden cataclysmic Apocalypse. Or have you never read anything at the two websites for raving imbeciles to which you linked?
Posted by Crispytoast on 2006 08 21 at 07:26 PM • permalink#39, i dont think there will be ‘a sudden cataclysmic Apocalypse’ at all, I’m sure we’ll be able to keep consuming resourses endlessly.
In other news, today is the 22nd of August, which is supposedly when Ineedastraightjacket’s 12th man is supposed to fly out of the sky in his holy wicket or something.
#38
Thankyou for your understanding El Cid.
I am also considering taking a stance against environmental outrages in Porky’s Video Store and Adult Emporium if I can get them to let me in again.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 08 21 at 07:50 PM • permalinkThe year was 1925.
And we DID! Most people don’t know this, but all those oil rigs and refineries you see? A front, a cynical front.
Actually, we’ve been running our society on the rendered fat of innocent Muslims imported from Israel…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 21 at 07:59 PM • permalinkMargos Maid
I am also considering taking a stance against environmental outrages in Porky’s Video Store and Adult Emporium if I can get them to let me in again.
A truly noble cause. One can always break in if need be. I’m sure this whole Blog of Tim’s is behind you.
If by chance things go sour, I, out of my own pocket, am making FREE MARGOS protest signs.
May the
policeforce be with you.Daza—Makes for a very efficient biodiesel, but your engine tends to whine…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 21 at 09:36 PM • permalinkActually, we’ve been running our society on the rendered fat of innocent Muslims imported from Israel…
Yes but the frightening thing is that we’ve already past Peak Muslim-Fat production. The world will be depleted of the most productive lard-ass Muslims by 2025. What will we do then?
Posted by Shaky Barnes on 2006 08 21 at 09:42 PM • permalinkShaky Barnes—We still have the Saudi Deposits…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 21 at 09:44 PM • permalinkAlso wildly O/T, but in response tp The Prez (#46), just confirms my opinion that Ian Chappell is a total idiot.
Somebody should explain to the Pakisatani cricket team that the game has rules (called “The Laws of Cricket”) and that umpires are paid to enforce the rules. They should read Law 21-3 (a) about what happens when you refuse to play when directed.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 08 21 at 09:56 PM • permalink$43- National Lampoon had an item during the oil spike in the ‘80s (Carter era, Iranians acting like assholes as usual) on the viability of oil extraction from Arabs and Persians, and they reckoned you could get about 2+3/4 barrels of (very) crude from each one of the dirty buggers; they even had a press devised to carry out the degreasing.
#51 Just a broader reflection of muslim nation’s refusing to play by any rules except their own. Now the defenders come out and say “racism” or “cultural misunderatnding”. It’s not bloody cricket.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 08 21 at 10:24 PM • permalinkSpeaking of tension between religion and scantily clad women, check out the pictures of Kate Moss outside a New York Mosque on this thread.
I’m sure most of you have seen this before, but this Time Magazine article from 1974 on ‘global climatic upheaval’ (which is much less catchy than ‘climate change’) is a cracker.
Another Ice Age?
As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.
It’s got all the usual ‘telltale signs’ of impending doom:
from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.
...
—the Midwest’s recent rash of disastrous tornadoes, for example.
As well as the real culprits:
Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend.
And apocalyptic predictions:
its effects could be extremely serious, if not catastrophic. Scientists figure that only a 1% decrease in the amount of sunlight hitting the earth’s surface could tip the climatic balance, and cool the planet enough to send it sliding down the road to another ice age within only a few hundred years.
...global food stores would be sharply reduced. University of Toronto Climatologist ... Hare: “I don’t believe that the world’s present population is sustainable if there are more than three years like 1972 in a row.”
[Apologies for the long post]
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 08 21 at 11:30 PM • permalinkRe #56, LOL, 91B30! Mayhaps someone should send that mosque a subscription for the Victoria’s Secrets catalog…...
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 22 at 12:14 AM • permalinkQuote of the Week on Petrol:
Sky TV Interviewer (to Kevin Rudd): So what you’re saying is that it would have been better to keep Saddam Hussein in power and saved a few cents per litre on petrol?
Posted by Apparatchik on 2006 08 22 at 12:18 AM • permalinkOh, wrong thread I think for #61, sorry. :/
Victoria’s Secrets serves a very important social service with that catalog thing.
If I had a wife, I’d need that catalog to know what to get for her to help her feel pretty.
Since I don’t have a wife I appreciate the catalog as a study aid to keep abreast of the issue, just in case the wife situation changes some day.
There is that whole “use it or loose it” thing, ya know?
1) My high school “science” teacher stated in ‘71 that he would never have children because he believed he would “live to see them starve to death” in the upcoming ice age, starting around ‘84.
2)I was an undergrad in ‘73 when one of my “science” professors stated, unequivocally, that oil reserves would be gone by ‘80.
I think it’s time to take them seriously.
Posted by Hucklebuck on 2006 08 22 at 11:57 AM • permalink
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Talen saw Al Gore’s new film, “An Inconvenient Truth,” and was deeply affected. Possibly the movie served as some sort of epileptic trigger.
Well, it will be a shame if this fellow succeeds. As someone who has long enjoyed the Victoria’s Secret catalogue - for the articles, of course - I will hate to see it go.