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Editorial in the Sydney Morning Herald:
What we have not been told is the full story behind this attack. Why, for instance, are lockdown drills needed in a Sydney high school? Clearly an incident of this sort has been expected for some time. The children at the school had no doubt that most of the alleged attackers were of Pacific Islander background. Is that a dreadful thing to acknowledge? Not if it is true, surely. Yet to listen to some youth workers and education experts speak about the events at Merrylands is to hear a torrent of the most extraordinary obfuscation, and a reluctance to acknowledge the reality that local residents live with every day. There is no point pussyfooting around the issue of ethnicity.
This is from the same newspaper that constantly deletes references to Middle Eastern crime suspects from police reports.
Tell me, confidentially, what does the average Australian think about immigration and “multi-culturalism”, in general?
Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2008 04 13 at 09:28 PM • permalink#3 - The more the merrier, but apart from tasty recipes, leave your fucking baggage at immigration.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 04 13 at 09:31 PM • permalink#3 Harry Bergeron,
“You go into these small towns in
PennsylvaniaAustralia and, like a lot of small towns in theMidwestOutback, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them...And they fell through theClintonHoward Administration, and theBushRudd Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”Clear enough?
The SMH isn’t scared of Pacific Islanders. Maybe they should be. Islander gangs are most mindlessly violent ethnic gangs we have, gangs noted for the young age of their members and their total lack of control.
Other ethnic gangs such as Arabs and Asians have a purpose - drugs, gambling, prostitution - and their violence is generally linked to protecting those activities. But islander violent is notable for its savagery and the random selection of its victims.
#6 - But islander violent is notable for its savagery and the random selection of its victims.
And that’s just on the rugby field.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 04 13 at 09:48 PM • permalinkIt’s a good thing the Serbs and Croats carry flags to the tennis, because I don’t know otherwise how you tell a MOSA from a MOCA.
Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 13 at 09:54 PM • permalink#3
Immigration = good. That’s how most of us got here. According to the Jan 5 edition of The Economist, Australia has the highest proportion of foreign born in the OECD. Around 23-24%. The melting pot of the US is around 12-13%. France, with all its car igniters, comes in around 8%.
Multi-culturalism = not so good. When you move somewhere else, it’s generally to change your life (and hopefully for the better). So as Infidel pointed out, dump your shit when you leave the old place. Otherwise, if you want to carry on with all that old crap, bugger off back to the old place and leave us in peace.
Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 13 at 09:59 PM • permalink#3
This Australian thinks immigration and “multi-culturalism”, in general?
# 4 “baggage at immigration.”
My “immigrants” would have made me a pommy-hating IRA supporter but I am not. I do not understand these “multi-culturalists”.Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 13 at 10:00 PM • permalinkPaul Sheehan (the only reason to read the SMH usually) has more -
Well worth the read on this topic.
Posted by attilathepun on 2008 04 13 at 10:16 PM • permalink#6
Other ethnic gangs such as Arabs and Asians have a purpose - drugs, gambling, prostitution - and their violence is generally linked to protecting those activities.
Not so sure about that.
I think what you are referring to is organised crime. Not gangs, which are not the same thing.
See also Middle Eastern gang-rape (or try Googling for “Leb style”.
Tim Priest’s speech The Rise of Middle Eastern Crime in Australia is mandatory reading.
Where has the SMH been for the past two decades!
My niece was intimidated during her two last years at high school in Sydney Western suburbs, by Tongan girls the same age or younger, but twice as big as she was. They’d steal the clothes and purses of the smaller girls, who often didn’t dare report it, either to teachers or parents because of threats of bashing or worse.
But I’m curious now as to what’s caused this almost radical change in the SMH’s approach to multiculti. I mean, two weeks ago they even mentioned the MOMA
Perhaps it
#10 mr creosote
The melting pot of the US is around 12-13%.
That 12-13% does not include the estimated 20 million
illegal immigrants::cough:: undocumented migrant workers currently residing in the country. So the US population is closer to 20% foreign-born.FWIW, speaking of “melting pots”, there are over 200 languages spoken in Los Angeles (and there have been calls to have government documents printed in all of them).
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 04 13 at 10:42 PM • permalinkSo why the sudden SMH Editorial interest in violent racist ethnic gangs? I believe #9 Nic is right on the money.MOMEA generally confine themselves to their South Western Sydney ghetto,except of course when they venture into other areas for “business” reasons,even then they tend to be reasonably discreet and won’t be observed unless one happens to be in the way of a drive-by shooting or an ATM raid or some other cultural pursuit.On the other hand MOPIA might be found in almost any part of Sydney even,shock horror,where those precious little Fairfax Petals live and play and that is just not acceptable.Of course I could be completely on the wrong track and it might be just a case of good old fashioned racism as it probably would have been labeled by certain Fairfax Petals had the very same words come from the pen of a Right-Wing Redneck writer.It’s amazing how effectively self-interest can change ones focus.
As per #4 as well, come here, learn the language, and fit in. We will keep the good bits of your culture and make them our own.
Heres a primer in newspeak.
Food=good
Work ehtic=good
Hot women=++good“Old world” feuds=ungood
Criminal gangs=ungood
intollerance of Australian society=++ungoodPosted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 04 13 at 10:44 PM • permalinkBugger, ehtic =ethic
Lucky I didnt include spelling skills.....
PIMFPosted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 04 13 at 10:58 PM • permalinkI unrelated news, a senior Fairfax staffer was earlier this week admitted to hospital with acute food poising from a badly prepared batch of tabouleh.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 04 13 at 11:00 PM • permalinkWeirdly enough, the SMH is sponsoring a debate about Islam featuring Daniel Pipes, tomorrow.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2008 04 13 at 11:05 PM • permalink#17 - spiny, it’s not my fault if you can’t find them all and count them properly!
Hope you like them tacos.
Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 13 at 11:51 PM • permalinkMethodist ministers of Tongan background have been active in reinforcing their country’s culture and community bonds to divert young men away from the violent gang behaviour,
ummmm, Since they are Australian citizens, shouldn’t they be reinforcing OUR country’s culture and community bonds?
Multiculturalism is a synonym for ethnic separatism, not “melting pots” and is proving the disaster that it was predicted to be.
The judgment of Gray J of the ACT Supreme Court in R Rao [2008] ACTSC 17 is an interesting account of what a group of Canberra MOPIAs got up to late one evening. The merry-go-round was shut, so after drinking at various spots, the lads decided to have some fun hassling the bouncer at the nearby Cube Nightclub, right in the middle of downtown Canberra. They might have figured that this would an easy mark for 5 MOMIAs, given that the clientele of the Cube are largely male and female homosexuals. But when called to assist, the owner/manager responded to things thrown being at him by pulling a knife and managing to inflict a fatal wound to one of the lads. On a trial by judge alone, Rao was acquitted on the basis that the Crown had not proved beyond reasonable doubt that Rao had not acted in self-defence.
One oddity is that the judge said that a post-event comment by Rao to a friend that “It’s not my fault that he had an unnaturally thin skull for a coconut” carried “significant overtones of racism”. MOMIAs often refer to themselves as coconuts - there was a gang operating in Kings X some years ago who introduced themselves to those about to be bashed with “Don’t mess with us - we’re the coconuts”, and we learn in the aftermath of the school invaders that some young MOMIAs self-style themselves “Crazy Little Coconuts” (the CLC gang). But one should never underestimate how out of touch judges are.
Tongans are slow to anger but once they get hot there is no off button. I’ve been witness to some especially nasty Tongan vs. Afro fist fights and the Tongans never backed down or lost. This was back in the mid 70’s and the brothuhs had yet to accept this one simple fact of life - never ever mess with the Tongans.
#6 Dan. I did say generally. My experience of the Arab gangs around Rockdale in Sydney was that it was drugs that provided the gang with its reason for existence, either as users or traffickers or both. The violence was against competitors of Macedonian and Asian backgrounds, debt collection and muggings to fund addictions.
You see, I don’t see the rapes committed by Lebanese youths as gang violence. I think there is no difference between Bilal Skaf and his mates and the Anglo-Irish pack rapists who plucked girls off the streets of Sydney in the 1960s or the groups of surfies who raped girls in the back of their panel vans in the 1970s. The common thread is a loose group of sexually frustrated and vicious young men who take what they can’t get by any other means The problem of pack rape was so bad in Sydney in the mid-60s that there was a vocal campaign for castration of rapists. Good idea and they should start with Skaf.
has anyone actually come out with a rational arguement for not castrating proven multiple rapists?
Im deliberately excluding single “One offs” as rehabilitation isnt entirely out of the question, Maybe just 1/2 a testicle at a time?Or might that see a drop in recividism rates, therefore threatening the worlview that punishment isnt a deterrent?
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 04 14 at 05:58 AM • permalink#31 have to agree there. Normally, Samoans, Tongans, Cook Islanders etc. are some of the loveliest people you could ever have the pleasure to spend time with.
An Upset Tongan on the other hand is to be avoided like the plague. They will rip your arms off and shove them in through your ears, but then cry about what they have done afterwards.
one person removed experience: My brother in law once played in a touch footy competition final against a Samoan team. They won, which proved to be a big mistake as the Samoan team sought vengeance on my brother in law who managed to score the winning try, who compounded the mistake by obviously being pleased about it. Their mothers also got into the act by harassing the umpire, but later apologised and brought some sort of yam pudding around while Andrew was recovering.
Noted anthropologist Hunter S. Thompson studied Samoans in his award-winning tome, The Curse of Lono.
“People get edgy when the Kona weather hits. After nine or ten straight days of high surf and no sun you can get your spleen kicked completely out of your body on any street in Honolulu, just for honking at a Samoan. There is a large and increasingly obvious Samoan population in Hawaii. They are big, dangerous people with uncontrollable tempers and their hearts are filled with hate by the sound of an automobile horn, regardless of who’s getting honked at.”
Were there honking horns involved in this latest violence in Sydney? Could the Tongans have picked up this unhappy trait from their Samoan brethren?
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2008 04 14 at 01:06 PM • permalink
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Now we must differentiate between MOMEA and MOPIA. One MOPIA are big and carry big knives. While MOMEA only carry guns.