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Anonymous Lefty is dismissive of Zombie’s Red Cross ambulance debunking because its author is ... anonymous.
You can’t make this stuff up.
UPDATE. Lefty now claims:
Obviously I’m not condemning his piece for his anonymity.
Oh, really? Let’s see what our learned friend had to say in his original post:
“ ... obviously the anonymous writer of this much-linked-to-by-the-right rebuttal ...”
“I’m a little concerned that this purported ‘debunking’ ... has no named author.”
“ ... whatever the truth ends up being, it was an interesting analysis from our anonymous Zombietime blogger.”
Here’s Anonymous Lefty’s own anonymity policy:
The personality and identity of the person doing the critique are completely irrelevant. The criticisms, like the articles to which they refer, stand on their own.
I’m a little concerned that Anonymous Lefty’s purported ‘debunkings’ have no named author.
UPDATE II. Zoe Brain and Whale Spinor try to smack some sense into the kid.
UPDATE III. Maybe the ambulance was hit by a lithium battery!
UPDATE IV. A Lefty supporter advises him to pick his battles more carefully.
Well I suppose when you are sitting around your chambers every day, wondering when you will be next sent on a demeaning errand for your seniors, you might imagine that the IDF has the time to track down and debunk every slur and misreport against Israel. After all its not like that happens all the time.
Posted by Just Another Bloody Lawyer on 2006 08 25 at 04:59 AM • permalinkHis other point is that if it was so easy to debunk, why hadn’t it been done earlier.
My response is that (ignoring the other debunkings referred to), despite countless examples of incompetence or outright falsification, many people (and I include myself) still have some sort of subconscious belief that the media aren’t complete bullshit artists. We figure that if people actually on the ground saw something, they will report it truthfully and accurately and that in war time, mistakes like that occur.
In the past, I think this was an okay assumption to make. I think one of the great tragedies of recent times is the pissing away by the media of their credibility and therefore our trust. This is just another damning nail in the coffin.
Posted by attilathepun on 2006 08 25 at 05:02 AM • permalinkUnfortunately, today’s reporters aren’t much different than in times past. These days they are just more enamored with themselves and what they do—they take themselves seriously. They’ve been told by professors just how important they are to the conduct of the world’s business. They must always remember, however, that the rest of of proles can barely read. It is wonderful to wrap oneself in the godlike aura as a citizen of the world, a part of the progressive elite who understands all that nuanced, subtle, esoteric stuff, and being just a touch better than everyone else. The fact that they are being shown repeatedly to be bare-assed naked doesn’t seem to bother them a bit.
Thankfully, there are those, like our host, who seem to rise above their education and become honest reporters and commentators. But too many are just like the rest of society—they swallow what is fed unthinkingly, like a babe at the teat, and then spend their lives burping it back up when stimulated by a reasoned argument patting them on the back.
Makes one all the more appreciative of the pros like Tim, and the new pros, like Zombie, Charles Johnson, and the rest of those who strive to find, and speak, the truth.
Mr Lefty needs access to the same photo-forensic lab I use. I have had that picture he uses of himself analysed and it can be proven without doubt, it is not him.
It is in fact Cuthbertson Smythe-Hymen taken not long after his days at posh Sydney Public School Barker College, and was one of a series done for then Uni magazine Honi Soit. Cuthbertson tired somewhat of the colonic irrigations he was subjected to at Uni by older lads who particularly took a shine to both his nether-regions and his name.
As a result, he changed his name to Mike Carlton and sought the anonymity of employment at the ABC on graduation.
So, there you have it - the moonbat known as Mr. Lefty is really the moonbat who calls himself Mike Carlton. It kind of demystefies a whole bunch of stuff thats, well, just been hangin’ out there
Puhlitzer? Puhleeze!
We arty-left bottom feeders are raised on make believe. Fantasy is our life’s work. The theatre is our temple, and as media mavens the whole world is our stage.
You right-wingnuts just want to tear it all down. We write the songs, we write the songs .. and there have to be credits!
Real names. Real people. Or at least stage names, and almost-real people. I’m going to my trailer to cry ... you anonymous bastards!#6 Saltydog - your erudite and concise comments, [along with many other Timites too numerous to list] make my days complete. Unfortunately I do not posess the means to explain my thoughts in writing like my virtual friends, but be assured that I am positive that there are many like myself that rely on your comments to put our thoughts on display. Thank y’all so much.
...And welcome fuckwits from the world of Blair.
Doesn’t like being made to look like a fool, does he?
Posted by HisHineness on 2006 08 25 at 07:04 AM • permalinkIf someone wanted to make a dent and shrap splash like appears on the roof of that ambo, wouldnt take more than a palm sized hunk of C4 and a bit of fuse tossed on top.
There’s no way in hell there was any real blast inside that vehicle. The few ounces of bang in a standard issue handgrenade would have done more damage to the insides of that veh than is displayed.
I followed the link to Zombie’s analysis from LGF a day before the link appeared on Blair’s site. So how is this, “falling over themselves”?
It’s getting so I hate… no, make that gain increasing less satisfaction, seeing points scored against lefties. They are so fucking useless I feel sorry for them.
His other point is that if it was so easy to debunk, why hadn’t it been done earlier.
So which fallacy is this? Argument from laziness, argument from incredulity, or just argument from a complete dumbass?
(I am amazed how many of the supposedly better educated, clearer-thinking people fall for the pioous fraud, though. Almost as if they can’t be bothered to think clearly about or apply their supposedly superior education to their own positions.)
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 08 25 at 07:26 AM • permalink#14, LaoHuLi,
Oh, gee, thanks for the kind words. I’m glad I just happened to be standing out front to catch them first.
There is much to admire here at Tim’s place. I have a warm spot for those who cool my fever, and keep my passions anchored, with their wit and humor. Resent times have been personally difficult; everyone here has been more help than they will ever know.
Apparently a forensic analysis conducted by a blogger of an event “reported” by the MSM is not considered reliable until someone from the same MSM decked out in a white lab coat verifies the evidence. I believe this is changing - oh so slowly, but inexorably. A side note is that there are many people - Not So Anonymous Lefty, for example - who give the impression of really wanting the bad news to be true because it dovetails so neatly with their ideological predispositions. Well, that’s fine, Counselor, as long as you don’t deceive yourself into believing that, through some fortuitous cosmological event, what you think and what is, are always and everywhere necessarily the same thing.
#21
Resent times have been personally difficult;
While you lost 2 points for writing “resent” you gained 10 for using a semi-colon :-)
Man, nobody’s fingers are working correctly at the moment! Even worse, over at Lefty’s blog, someone wrote “your (sic) a moron”. I hate that.
Saltydog’s write - the comments here are amongst the best on the web. I seldom read the comments at other sites however consider them a mandatory part of the experience here. LGF is beyond a joke, with literally hundreds of comments generally amounting to little more than people saying “OT: I want traffic” or variations on a “kill Muslims” theme. It gets old very quickly.
I am convinced many such contributors would feel intimidated amongst the calibre of commentary here.
I on the other hand… Well… Poopy poopy plop plop. What say you?
Yaaawn. Well done, Tim, for completely missing the point. As usual.
Obviously I’m not condemning his piece for his anonymity; I’m condemning YOU and your colleagues for presenting his analysis as conclusive without verifying his opinions about what damage it is and isn’t possible for Israeli weapons to cause, despite his having no apparent expertise in the area whatsoever.
I can see how you’d miss that, it being the basis for the title of my post and all.
The rest of you - yes, well noticed. I’m not a conservative. I have a different political outlook on the world to you lunatics. Yes, I know it makes you angry, makes you want to lash out, but Jesus. Get over it.
Unfortunately I do not posess the means to explain my thoughts in writing like my virtual friends, but be assured that I am positive that there are many like myself that rely on your comments to put our thoughts on display. Thank y’all so much.
Posted by LaoHuLiI dunno, you sound pretty eloquent to me.
Ah, it is the idiot himself.
MrLefty, the idea that an Israeli missile punched a neat hole in the roof of the van exactly where the red light would normally be and then magically left the vehicle looking as if it had been stripped and abandoned in a junkyard for many months is completely f*cking ludicrous.
Zombie’s presentation is totally compelling to anyone who has any knowledge of, well, anything, really. His analysis is conclusive. You’d have to be living in an alternate universe to believe otherwise, and apparently, you are doing just that.
We don’t care what your political beliefs are. We just note with a bare modicum of interest that you are, apparently, insane.
I’m condemning YOU and your colleagues for presenting his analysis as conclusive without verifying his opinions about what damage it is and isn’t possible for Israeli weapons to cause, despite his having no apparent expertise in the area whatsoever.
You’re joking, right?
Are you telling me you can’t look at the picture and say, “Y’know, I think an explosion might have mussed things up a bit more on the inside.”
If I show you a photoshop of a pig flying, do you defer judgment to aeronautical engineers?
I have a different political outlook on the world to you lunatics. Yes, I know it makes you angry, makes you want to lash out, but Jesus. Get over it.
Oh, please. You lefty pussies and your “why so angry?” crap. And coming one sentence after calling us “lunatics.” It’s you lefties who are always screaming on the streets with your faces twisted in rage. Stop projecting.
Do ya think if I spent time at your blog I might find a few examples of “anger” and “lashing out” directed towards the Right?
Just to review - explosions really fuck things up. ‘kay?
Hey, MrLefty, some of us actually have a clue about what weapon systems do what sort of damage, and what sort of damage they do not do.
Well then, provide your qualifications (as to your knowledge of which weapons the Israelis possess, and what effects they could have on an ambulance) and your analysis. I’ll be happy to read it.
It’d be considerably more credible than Zombietime’s effort.
MrLefty, the idea that an Israeli missile punched a neat hole in the roof of the van exactly where the red light would normally be and then magically left the vehicle looking as if it had been stripped and abandoned in a junkyard for many months is completely f*cking ludicrous.
I don’t believe it did. Did you read my post before you wrote your silly response?
Ok Mr Lefty. I was an armoured vehicle crewman in the Australian Army. The reason that we drove armoured vehicles, as opposed to Ford Econovans, is because armoured vehicles have armourwhich (sometimes) protects them from nasty things like missiles. I’m telling you, if a missile hits an unarmoured vehicle it’s going to destroy the van, set it on fire and kill its occupants.
I’m condemning YOU and your colleagues for presenting his analysis as conclusive without verifying his opinions about what damage it is and isn’t possible for Israeli weapons to cause, despite his having no apparent expertise in the area whatsoever.
So basically, your stellar argument is that other people are just as lazy as you are? Without any supporting evidence that they really are as lazy as you are, of course - as others have pointed out, both people here as well as some people that Zombie drew on for his article actually do have that expertise.
I don’t believe it did. Did you read my post before you wrote your silly response?
Well, what the hell are you arguing then? Zombie’s evidence is completely conclusive. The ambulance was never hit by anything at all; the story is a total fabrication. We know this. There is no reasonable question at all.
If you are questioning the facts, you are crazy. If you accept the facts but question the presentation of those facts, you are crazy.
Which is it?
PS: My claim of your being lazy is based on the fact that you’re asking lots of questions without actually bothering to do any research whatsoever yourself. You seem to think that if you can come up with enough spurious ideas and scenarios, it’s enough to disprove what the other person is saying. (Generally known as the “throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick” approach, I suppose.)
Seriously, you’re a lawyer?
I’m condemning YOU and your colleagues for presenting his analysis as conclusive without verifying his opinions about what damage it is and isn’t possible for Israeli weapons to cause, despite his having no apparent expertise in the area whatsoever.
Wally, there are a number of people on this blog with explosive experience (including military ordnance). Including me. I can look at the photos of that ambulance and venture the opinion that it was NOT hit by a missile.
Thus, from my professional experience, I can verify some of Zombie’s conclusions, such as claim #3 and #4.
So us, ummmmmmm, “fuckwits from the world of Blair” aren’t exactly leaping to conclusions here.
Now, I’ve read Zombies’s write-up with a critical eye. The analysis is clearly presented. I find little to argue with. Not because I’m a right-wing death beast who support Israel, but because Zombie made a good case. But because Zombie made a good case.
But you miss something else as well.
Zombie does not present him/herself as a forensics expert. How do I know this? This is what Zombie said:
Could it be that the entire incident is a fabrication? All signs point to “Yes.”
S/he merely applied common sense, basic science, and logic to the analysis of the photo. And then posted a very well written and (IMHO) compelling argument, one that is hard to ignore by someone seeking the truth.
Zombie is not proclaiming this as fact. S/he is asking why the media fell for what appears to be an open and obvious fake.
Which you would have known had you read the article without bias. Which is why I agree with the other people here who label you as dumb and bitter.
I pity anyone who takes you as a lawyer; if you can’t accept a critical argument regardless of the source, you are a terrible lawyer.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 25 at 09:56 AM • permalinkYes, when stung, always casually extract the lavender-scented handkerchief from your cuff and affect a yawn. And in spite of your manifest brilliance, always do your critics the honor of taking them seriously by replying with logic ("You all are lunatics, of course, and as any person of quality can discern - pause to take a pinch of snuff from the jeweled box in your waistcoat pocket - Tim Blair, Andrew Bolt et al are boobs"). I wonder at your lack of interest in chasing this particular ambulance, Counselor. Perhaps we should all stand about wringing our hands and bewailing the fact that no MSM professional - nor any of the IDF’s crack special-response propaganda team - will take the time to conduct a proper investigation. And the truth? What is truth? Your towel, sir.
I don’t believe it did. Did you read my post before you wrote your silly response?
I read your post. It centers on (a) the fact that Tim Blair, Michelle Malkin, etc, are supporting the analysis; (b) Zombie is anonymous; and (c) you reject it without cause.
PW is right....you are lazy. Dumb, bitter, and lazy. I pity that cat you have.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 25 at 10:01 AM • permalinkThen it no longer supports the theory of the ambulance being targeted. And besides it was clearly stated in the claim that the missile hit the ambulance directly in the center of the roof.
Texas Bob, you just demonstrated that MrLefty doesn’t even understand the basic claim. How can he argue against Zombie’s argument? Answer: not in any compelling way, and merely by assertion, as we have seen.
Tim is right, you can’t make this stuff up. I just wish we were, the world would have one less idiot lawyer to watch out for.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 25 at 10:05 AM • permalink... demonstrated that MrLefty doesn’t even understand the basic claim. How can he argue against Zombie’s argument? Answer: not in any compelling way, and merely by assertion, as we have seen.
I suppose that’s what happens when somebody begins to think that “playing devil’s advocate” is an all-purpose debating tactic. One ends up mindlessly making up contradictory claims just because.
#34 Then Mr Sear it would not leave a neat entry hole as represented. Having been a recruit for about fourteen seconds in the same regiment as Murph (Forward) I can only second his comments. Had an IDF missle hit an APC (bucket) it would have devastated the thing but somehow an ambulance can get a hole punched in its roof and otherwise not take any serious structural damage??
Let me guess Wally you took speech and drama and advanced cowardiness at school.
Posted by Just Another Bloody Lawyer on 2006 08 25 at 10:19 AM • permalinkMrLefty : Re #31.
Federation of American Scientists Data on the Hellfire Missile
Human Rights Watch report on quantities and types of air-to-ground missiles supplied to Israel.
The difficulty is in finding sources that a) know anything about military hardware and b) are left of centre.
I think it can be taken as read that the IDF didn’t drop a bomb heavier than the ambulance itself? One that leaves a crater 10m wide? But perhaps I have to state the obvious. That we were looking at the smallest guided weapon in the Israeli inventory, one habitually used to take out small targets.
This is what a 2000lb laser guided bomb does. Hopefully you can agree that an ambulance with one of those through the roof would look distinctly second-hand.
OK, so let’s have a look at what a somewhat smaller missile than a Hellfire (which after all, weighs 100lb) does to a tank. One weighing about 60 lb. This weapon attacks from the top, so would be quite similar (though of less effect) than any IDF missile hitting the same target. The Javelin, a weapon so light it is “man-portable”.
Have a look at the effect on a 40-ton tank, one with sides several inches thick, not a few millimetres. Now agreed, the tank itself had a lot of explosives and fuel on board. Nonetheless, look at the size of the initial explosion before the tank ... evaporates.
Ambulances have things like oxygen cylinders on board, plus stuff called “petrol” or “gasoline” that you might have heard of. Things which in combination make very good bombs in their own right.
None of this takes an expert to know. None of it is classified.
Now my qualifications are available on request, but I’ve been in the business of military software, simulations, weapons effectiveness modelling, logistics etc etc for about 25 years. But it wouldn’t matter if I hadn’t, anyone with even the most cursory knowledge of Google and the inclination to actually research the area should pick this up in 20 minutes at the outside.
Common sense should tell you that if a few grams of explosive in a grenade can wreck a car, then 1000 times more should have at least as great an effect. It would not leave a nice neat circular hole. With a flange. And rivet holes.
Just to prove the adage that there’s a Simpsons quote for any occasion, let’s turn to the honorable Lionel Hutz to explain Lefty’s strategy here:
Don’t worry, Homer. I have a foolproof strategy to get you out of here. Surprise witnesses, each more surprising than the last. The judge won’t know what hit him.
#55 Yes very very briefly at about the time of the first gulf war. A mate had talked me into the idea of becoming a reserve officer and we signed up for octu but of course they encouraged us to go into the reserve in the mean time. My mate had previously been in the uq regiment but cleared off for parts south half during the process.
In short I was unfit, working full time, studying law part time and frankly just not up to the challenge. However I did not leave the regiment until after Gulf One. I never got out of C squadron, Murph. But had 3/4 gone and A gone up, B squadron would have gone full time and up to it or not be buggered if I was going to go jack, so I waited and then got out.
Posted by Just Another Bloody Lawyer on 2006 08 25 at 10:35 AM • permalinkZoe - I wouldn’t say “a few grams” of explosive can destroy a car. A few hundred grams, yes. Not sure where the lower limit is, but a pound of any modern explosive is enough to kill the occupants of the car and leave a smoking wreck.
But the main point is, as you note, the ambulance in the pictures wasn’t hit by anything; they don’t make missiles that small.
(Neat videos, by the way!)
Hmm...Lefty in his own comment section:
Oh look, it’s a slavering herd of righties who’ve just discovered my blog because Tim Blair bagged it. ...
I’ve had influxes of idiot visitors from Blairville before. I know what you’re here for, and I’m not really interested in playing that game with you.
Five minutes later, he started posting in this thread. Too frackin’ funny.
#63
they don’t make missiles that small.
I dunno. Them Joos are pretty crafty characters.
Look up the Late Demented Joe Vialls’ research on Zionist ‘micro-nuke’ technology which was responsible for tsunamis, hurricanes, 9/11, you name it.
Very crafty indeed! And good with money… Oh, and run the media. As we keep learning…
The rest of you - yes, well noticed. I’m not a conservative. I have a different political outlook on the world to you lunatics. Yes, I know it makes you angry, makes you want to lash out, but Jesus. Get over it.—Posted by MrLefty
No, it doesn’t make us angry. Hell, we enjoy your stream of conscious babblings about issues on which you’re ill informed. That’s par for the course for the left. (Wally, there’s a very good reason that John Howard and George W Bush are leading the world right now).
As I’ve said to Margo Kingston, keep up the good work Wally old boy. We so enjoy your postings.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 08 25 at 11:28 AM • permalinkHas anyone disproved my theory that it was top secret Zionist Kinetic micro rust bomblets that made the hole where the light hole was and rusted patches onto the roof of the red
crescentcross ambulance and then opened the doors in order to escape the vehicle and not do further damage thus not alerting our ever vigilant MSM?#70: C’mon, Rob; you’ve got to be a card-carrying member of the press, or a network talking head, before anybody will take notice of your theory.
My own theory is that the ambulance was being powered by a cold fusion engine mounted in the bubble lights (invented by top Palestinian scientists), and that the thing imploded causing the occupants to be sucked into the cigarette lighter. As the narrator says at the end of
Plan 9 From Outer Space, “can you prove that it didn’t happen?”A spokesman for Paco Industries declined to comment today on reports that the company’s major competitor, North Korea, had perfected an ‘intelligent’ nuke the size of a cell phone that can put the garbage out on Sunday afternoon.
Meanwhile, rumors persist that Iran is working on a home-made martyrdom nuke that has the potential to send only the faithful to Paradise; leaving unbelievers bewildered and blinking.
#74: Well, as President of Paco Industries, I’ll comment on North Korea’s so-called “intelligent” nuke. It’s a lie! North Korea doesn’t produce enough of anything to even have garbage.
I like the matyrdom nuke (code named, “Allah Akblooie!"). I’ll gladly take my place among the “bewildered and blinking” unbelievers; I’ll leave the sizzling salvation to the faithful.
Paco, it’s bad enough that you’ve worked out a deal with Tim and Andrea that allows you to hawk your product line on this blog. Obviously Tim is getting a %, thereby allowing him to quit The Bulletin.
But must I be subjected to your commercials on late night television? Just last night I was enjoying a rerun of Hogan’s Heroes (the episode where he blows up an ammunition train 50 miles away using two containers of Comet bathroom cleanser and a pipe cleaner, makes love to a blonde member of the German underground who turns out to be an SS spy, and has Schultz drive him back all before roll call the next morning) when the TV cut away to a fishing boat with two Israelis holding a combination fishing line/mini missile launcher. All for $1,599.99. That’s bad paco. Really really bad.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 08 25 at 12:43 PM • permalink#77: Sorry, wron, but market research conducted by Paco Industries’ Consumer Demolitions Division clearly shows that there is a strong correlation between late-night TV viewers and people who like to blow things up. Now, if you’re just kicking about the price, I’m sure we can work something out. I mean, I owe you that much, especially after the latest Tardis incident. Oh, that’s right, I haven’t told you yet. Well, heh, see, me and the missus wanted to go back in time and catch Lucky Millinder and his orchestra live at the Savoy, so we borrowed the Tardis and headed back to 1944, and the only place we could find to park the thing was near the local Federal court house and after the performance, when we went back to it, damned if the thing hadn’t been impounded by the FBI (seems they thought it was some kind of Nazi secret weapon). But I’ll get it back! I promise you that.
Here’s what a car looks like after being hit by a Hellfire missile:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-11-04-yemen-explosion_x.htm
The Hellfire is the smallest guided missile in the inventory. Typically fired by attack helicopters to take out specific vehicles.
Posted by Ernst Blofeld on 2006 08 25 at 01:48 PM • permalink#80: We just had to walk all the way back to 2006 (boy, was the missus mad!).
Haw! I’m waaaayyyy ahead of you on the world series bet, 91B30! I put the whole kitty on St. Louis. Pulls betting slip from pocket and smiles. Smile abruptly vanishes. St Louis Browns!!! Holy smoke! Gottagohoneyallthewaybackto1944toseeamanBYE!
Ernst Blofeld
The Hellfire is the smallest guided missile in the inventory. Typically fired by attack helicopters to take out specific vehicles.
The Israelis actually have one with a smaller warhead they’ve used against Palestinian terror leaders that does not cause nearly so much havoc (and limits potentially embarassing bystander casualties). It still turns the vehicle inside out, though. For examples, go to LGF and search “car swarm”.Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 08 25 at 02:47 PM • permalinkYay for Zoe Brain and Spiny Norman! Yay!!!!! That was one good slapping y’all did on that idiot. Next best thing to a titanium cluebat alongside MrLefty’s thick skull.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 25 at 03:07 PM • permalink#79 & #83 (and, of course, Mr. Lefty), here’s a picture of an Israeli missile strike on a soft-skinned vehicle:
http://tinyurl.com/rnfaw
(One of many under LGF’s “Car Swarm Watch” continuing feature.)Posted by andycanuck on 2006 08 25 at 05:51 PM • permalinkWhat a nice, satisfying read that was. Thanks guys. I add my kudos for Zoe and Spiny. And the laughs were all 10’s. Nice work all round. What a silly little twerp Mr. Lefty is. Pardon the use of the trite, but it never ceases to amaze me when such people stand right up in front of everybody and make utter prats of themselves—and all without so much as a blush. Tsk. Tsk.
P.S. TRJeff, that “resent” was one of those things the subconscious slips in occasionally. I resent my recent history very much indeed.
Dudes, you’re getting it all wrong.
Moral relativism means there is no difference between Bush and Hitler, because they both invaded countries.
Similarly, there is no difference between a bullet hole and one made by a 2000lb bomb, because they’re both, like, weapons.
This is the basis of MrLefty’s reasoning and he isn’t going to be shifted by mere logic and evidence.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2006 08 25 at 09:47 PM • permalinkUpdate: according to Mr Lefty, it’s the blogging host provider that is not allowing comments, not him.
Back to moral relativism: when the Lefties have to resort to “doubt” you know it’s a cert.
Do you think a Lefty will ever admit they are convinced otherwise or plain wrong? Or is it relativism the shield they use to protect themselves from reality?
P.S. MarkL - 100 coming up - go for it.
#54 Zoe, Nicely done!.
#87 tango7, Welcome aboard. But understand there’s no going back, you’re one of us now. Mwahahaha…Posted by Daniel San on 2006 08 25 at 10:50 PM • permalinkIf the comments on Lefty’s thread ever come back, you’ll notice he’s resorted to his regular defences:
“You’ve missed my point!”
“Did you bother to read my post?”
Standard stuff from him. Make a statement, get belted for it, claim you meant something else entirely. Usually written as “That’s not what I said at all, I was merely suggesting that...”
To quote Wally himself: Yawn.
Posted by HisHineness on 2006 08 25 at 10:56 PM • permalink#87 A most auspicious entrance. Had you been here for my first post, you would have seen a piece of timber of similar proportion applied vigorously about my head and shoulders.
I went away, researched a little more and returned to restate my premise with facts more closely aligned with reality.
As I recall, I responded to near instantaneous deconstruction with something like “Maybe I should go out and come back in again...”
I can’t remember who, but one resident Algonquinesque personage replied: “Well, you’re half right!” (indeed, it may have been the Boadicea of the BlogoShpere herself, whose name need not be bandied about loosely).
“Clue by four” will doubtless enter the lexicon.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 26 at 12:03 AM • permalinkScenerio:
You’re about to go before the judge, and you have no attorney.
A chap comes over and says, “My name is Sears, and I can defend you for free.”
Do you:
a. Accept, or
b. Demand a substantial sum for him for the potential future costs of his defence?Cheers
Posted by J.M. Heinrichs on 2006 08 26 at 12:31 AM • permalinkHit by a lithium battery?
That’s CHEMICAL WARFARE!!!
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2006 08 26 at 05:09 AM • permalinkMr. Lefty—Happy to oblige. As an MOS-qualified light weapons infantryman and mortarman (enlisted and officer). All the following weapon systems are those I have personally been trained in the effects of and/or to direct the fire of).
The principal Israeli helicopter gunships are the US Cobra and Apache models. These can be armed with various combinations of TOW- and Hellfire-series heavy wire-guided antitank missiles, various combinations of unguided rocket pods firing 70mm rockets (such as the US Hydra system), and, depending on the model, a 20- or 25mm chain gun.
TOW and Hellfire are designed to defeat heavily armored main battle tanks ranging in weight from approximately 40-70 tons. If you hit an unarmored ambulance with one… there IS no ambulance.
The 70mm unguided rocket carries a large high-explosive warhead. If one had hit and penetrated an unarmored ambulance, the ambulance would be peeled open like a beer can with a cherry bomb. The vehicle in these pictures has not.
Had the unarmored ambulance been strafed with chain-gun fire, there would be many (many, many, many) entry holes for the rounds, which do not resemble the damage shown on this ambulance in any way, not one single photogenic hole in the middle of the Red Cross.
It is possible that the Israelis used different guided missile systems, such as Maverick launched from a jet fighter. But jet-launched guided weapons are even heavier than TOW and Hellfire. Had one scored a direct hit, the ambulance would be gone.
The ambulance story is a fraud, zombie is right, and you are full of it.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 26 at 03:53 PM • permalink
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Not merely upset about the anonymity, he has edited his post and downgraded Zombie’s argument from “persuasive” to merely “interesting”.