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South Australian academic Damian Lataan - currently researching “the rise of neo-conservatism and Australia’s role in the United States’ pursuit of global hegemony in the twenty-first century” - investigates claims that al Qaeda used two Down’s syndrome sufferers in recent suicide attacks:
Iraqi fighters and other fighters supporting them do not need to resort to employing people with intellectual disabilities to act as suicide bombers. It would be as much a crime against their faith as it would be for any other religion or culture.
Well, not any. See, while al Qaeda is simply too nice to carry out such acts, Damian knows a couple of religions and cultures that would happily detonate a couple of disabled folk and any innocents who happened to be nearby:
These ‘suicide bombings’ have all the hallmarks of being a false flag operation perpetrated in order to perpetuate the myth of ‘al Qaeda’ in Iraq; to demonise them as people so evil that they would kill innocent children ... By perpetrating these kinds of crimes the US and their allies have proved to the rest of the world that it is only they that are the true animals.
Lataan, naturally, is a truther. In comments, he expands a little on who was really responsible for the Down’s syndrome atrocities:
Israel are more than capable of committing this type of false flag crime ...
Six years ago Lataan was a mature-age student in his final year at Flinders University. These days he’s listed on the staff directory.
(Via Eliot R.)
Hmmm, let’s see…..
What folks are the only ones to have intnetionally aimed packed jetliners full of innocent people at packed skyscrapers full of innocent people??
Who are the only people to kill others because they offended their “prophet” by drawing him?
Who are the only people to kill gays by pushing walls on top of them?
Who are the only people to happily employ “human shields” as a defense?
And he can’t believe “they” would hesitate to employ the retarded as cannon fodder?
Asswipe. Total asswipe.
Posted by Tex Lovera on 2008 02 16 at 11:51 AM • permalinkOn the plus side, it’s always nice to be reminded that the United States isn’t the only country that has universities that are chock full of psychos.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 16 at 11:52 AM • permalink“About Me Name: Damian Lataan Location: Verdun, South Australia, Australia
Aeronautical Engineer”I am NEVER going to fly again.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 16 at 11:54 AM • permalink#4 Dave Surls
Since he appears to be safely ensconced in academia, this is little chance he’ll have anything to do with the actual design and construction of real aircraft.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 16 at 12:04 PM • permalink#5
And, if his career in academia doesn’t work out, he’s fully qualified to be an Al Qaida sucicide bomber.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 16 at 12:12 PM • permalinkHey Tim,
and guess what, they also found out the reason why those “youths” are burning stuff in Denmark. It’s GLOBAL WARMING:Scores of cars and several schools have been vandalized or burned in the past week. Police could give no reason, but said that unusually mild weather and the closure of schools for a winter break, making them easy targets, might have contributed.
From AL-REUTERS:
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1655946520080216Tim: I think he is still completing the PhD thesis and hasn’t been put on staff (for which the students at Flinders should breathe a sigh of relief). Those university directories usually include postgrad students as well as staff and the other American Studies page has him listed as a student writing a thesis on the long-winded topic you mentioned: Link.
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2008 02 16 at 12:22 PM • permalink“Scores of cars and several schools have been vandalized or burned in the past week. Police could give no reason…”
Tosh. It’s either an American false-flag operation or the Joooooozzzzzzzz. The police have obviously been bought off.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 16 at 12:23 PM • permalink“...the US and their allies have proved to the rest of the world that it is only they that are the true animals.”
Drat. He blew my cover. I’d been hoping to pass myself off as a geranium.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 16 at 12:32 PM • permalink“Again, we will probably never know what did happen but we can summise, just by using a little common sense, what didn’t happen. And, in this case, we can reasonably summise that it didn’t happen the way the Americans said it happened.”—Damian
Summise?
I’m going to surmise that spelling isn’t stressed at good ol’ Flinders U.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 16 at 12:50 PM • permalinkWell, well! An aeronautical engineer working on a PhD in “Social Sciences”, specifically American Studies. Damian changed directions from applied science (engineering) to pseudo-science (“social science”). Talk about sliding downhill! He must have found engineering too
hardchallenging.So, don’t worry, people, the closest this character will ever come to the aerospace industry is as an airline passenger. Or he might decide to emulate his heroes.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 16 at 12:54 PM • permalink“We are the Great Satan.”
Hey, at least we’re the best at what we do.
How would you like to be called the Fair-to-Middlin’ Satan?
I’d be insulted.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 16 at 01:29 PM • permalinkOne of his git correspondents linked to a long source of the US’s “atrocities” against everybody else in the world: Included was
2. Chronological list of US air warfare campaigns:
Japan (1943-45): conventional; incendiary; nuclear
because poor little Japan never did nothin’ to nobody previous to 1943.
“Israel are”? The man can’t write either.
Posted by walterplinge on 2008 02 16 at 04:19 PM • permalink“Six years ago Lataan was a mature-age student in his final year at Flinders University. These days he’s listed on the staff directory.”
So he stayed at school rather than come out and play with the big boys, hey?
Big girl’s blouse.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 16 at 05:01 PM • permalinkDoes this FW offer any EVIDENCE that the bombers were false flag? - and is he the only person with such evidence?
I’m sure if this EVIDENCE was widely known The Age would have splashed it all over their front pages for weeks!
Anyhow, he’s just another rabid, foaming at the mouth, lobotomised, mental retard Leftist “academic”?
The list of topics that students are studying at the “Department of American Studies” has a scent of hard-left anti-Americanism.
Two examples.
1. Nathan Church is studying “Religion and the Right Wing in America.” Nathan, only people who hate the right wing call it the right wing these days( unless you’re an RWDB!). If you want to pretend to be neutral, it’s “conservatism.”
My prediction: thesis has lots of: “those whacky bible-bashers have a lot of influence!”
no exploration of the differences between black and white churches, different denominations, or evangelicals/non-evangelicals.2. Sarah John’s dissertation is Regulating a Monopoly Political Power. Read, how do we use the U.N. to keep America “in check.” (read, how do we work against American interests using soft power). Sarah, the UN lets dictators and despots have a seat at the table, including the security council. How do we regulate that band of criminals?
Many conservatives will be much more pro-UN when they restrict membership to democracies, or at least non-persecutory-hellholes.The very fact that they entertain Lataan’s far-left anti-American anti-Israel crusade shows that the whole department is a nest of moonbattery.
Posted by daddy dave on 2008 02 16 at 05:47 PM • permalink#10 Dear Dave,
A geranium is not an animal. Therefore cannot be used to carry explosives.
Love (of dark and nefarious American/Israeli conspiracy)
Daniel Lataan (soon to be Dr. Lataan)
Posted by LaVallette on 2008 02 16 at 05:57 PM • permalinkThe guy is a complete moron. And a racist.
There’s no “mounting evidence debunking the governments version of events of 9-11”.
And his premise is that arabs are too stupid to come up with such a plan.
I’m glad my kids won’t be going to any academic institution where he will have any responsibility whatsoever.
soon to be Dr. Lataan
oooh…
And guess what? You’re the first person in the world to ever get a Ph.D.!
Congratulations, you brainiac!Posted by daddy dave on 2008 02 16 at 06:07 PM • permalinkI’d add that it’s not surprising Adelaide would offer an academic safe haven for a nutcase like this.
Adelaide, after all, is home of Australia’s capital for holocaust deniers and anti-semites.It’s funny how troofers always put the words truth, research and institute in their names to make it sound important.
Rather a bold statement from Latte boy here.
“..It would be as much a crime against their faith as it would be for any other religion or culture..”
You completely sure on that? Read your Koran? Asked an Imam? Studied islamic theology?
Or is this just one of those thigs you “know”This bit from his comments section says it all.
“.. Anonymous said…
Damian, are you going here?http://www.911oz.com/links/truthnow
10:56 PM
Damian Lataan said…
I’d would have liked to, but unfortunately I have got other committments for that period. I look forward to reading the conference papers once published..”Truther scum.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 02 16 at 06:24 PM • permalinkUniversities: Keeping the insane off streets for thirty years
#29 - how about “University - a haven for those who can’t survive in the real world?”
Posted by surfmaster on 2008 02 16 at 06:26 PM • permalinkHaving visited Damian’s site and looked at the dialog in the comments, I’ve reluctantly come to the conclusion that engaging in dialog with Damian and his friends is futile.
And I’m usually one for engagement. I’ll go toe-to-toe with anyone. However, I fear he’s in the same category as Margo. The only workable strategy is satire.Posted by daddy dave on 2008 02 16 at 07:00 PM • permalinkI posted the following at Damian’s blog, but he deleted it.
“the only people that are obsessed with jews are other jews.”
Reality check needed for this statement.
World War two ringing any bells? The holocaust? The global obsession with Israeli-Palestinian relations, and the influence of the American jewish community on Israeli elections? Books about how bad the jews are…
And of course your blog.
not true, mate.One other thing, being anti-israel isn’t “necessarily” anti-Jew. However, when you call yourself “anti-” you’re saying you have a big picture position through which you filter all facts, new and old.
Many people start with the premise that Jews=oppressors. From there, any and all atrocities against them can be forgiven as ‘resistance’, and any and all responses to those atrocities are simply perceived as actions without cause: more oppression.
You seem to have that mentality.Posted by daddy dave on 2008 02 16 at 07:54 PM • permalinkSo stunned was I upon reading Lataan and his commenters that my family thought I’d finally gone catatonic. The sudden, machine-gun like pounding of the keyboard convinced tham I was yet of this world as I left this at his site:
There are so many obvious patterns of deviation in judgement and examples of cognitive bias that occur in your “Telling the History of the 21st Century as it Really Is” that I find myself at once agog and aghast that such muddy thinking is passed on—even as opinion, much less as “truth”.
Indeed there are so many fallacies and cognitive biases apparent in your posts that I am recommending this site to a Professor of Psycholgy whose fields of expertise include Social and Cognitive Psychology.
There is enough material here—anchoring, attentional and selection biases; availability heuristics and Ludic fallacy; observer-expectancy and subjective validation effects; to name but a few—that one might devote an entire thesis to the contents of this site alone.
I am an historian, however, and will leave the above (and so much more) to those better qualified to analyse and offer hypotheses and interpretations of the irrational pseudo-certainty found here.
As an historian, however, I take extreme umbrage at the subtitle of your blog.
Whether you count yourself among those who believe, in some Hegelian transcendent teleological sense, that history has to have a progressive direction leading to an eschatological end; or you view history as a series of discontinuities; ruptures, if you will, measured in various time-scales—that which you term “History…as it Really is” is, in fact, nothing more than your twisted interpretation of a momentary Zeitgeist. It is not History.
Even were one to give you benefit of doubt regarding your self-styled “History”, you have no more chance—on this day and in this place—of getting it right than Heisenberg had in telling both position and momentum of any given particle—less chance, in fact, because of the blatant cognitive biases of observer-expectancy and subjective validation effects noted above.
What is written here is not History, and you make a mockery of the term and yourselves by calling it such.
MentalFloss
My hands are still shaking, and I need at least three fingers of Scotch, though the yardarm’s shadow has yet to pass athwartships…
Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 02 16 at 08:45 PM • permalinkwoah… nice speech MentalFloss. Very accurate. However, you won’t have much luck penetrating the wall of conspiracy, fantasy and selective attention to detail that you refer to.
Posted by daddy dave on 2008 02 16 at 08:50 PM • permalink#43 Hi Mental.
Indeed there are so many fallacies and cognitive biases apparent in your posts that I am recommending this site to a Professor of Psycholgy whose fields of expertise include Social and Cognitive Psychology.
Lataan, noncognate.
Is it psychological, chemical, genetic; a product of nature or nurture?
By Linnaeus’ linen longjohns, Kae, I am now convinced that Lataan and his ilk defy any taxonomic classification whatever!
These are parasitic, paraphyletic rhizomes on the human Cladogram.
Neither root nor twig, neither trunk nor limb, branch or leaf—they are among but not of us.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 02 16 at 09:06 PM • permalinkWaste of time debating morons like this. Because they are not only morons, but evil ones too. Which is some comfort - I wish all such putrid sacks of evil could be as stupid.
Unfortunately, there are some who are smart enough to recruit the menatlly disabled for their acts of evil. With any luck this shitstain will visit the Middle East and fall under their spell. And with more luck he’ll prematurely detonate.
Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2008 02 16 at 09:14 PM • permalinkIn less enlightened times someone as clearly reality-challenged as Damie would’ve been confined; now they’re given tenure (not a great change really, except for the lack of thorazine).
What is more disturbing is that in order to graduate, someone else would’ve had to wade through the mire of his work and actually conclude it had merit, rather than see it as clearly the demented ravings of a paranoid psychotic whose details should be immediately passed on to the plod before they start bulk-mailing anthrax spores and plastique.
38. Merlin
Bugger…. now you tell me.
/put away propellor beanie, scratches “hellicopter pilot off resume…
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 02 16 at 09:20 PM • permalinkI’m going to surmise that spelling isn’t stressed at good ol’ Flinders U.
Let’s just say that Flinders Uni doesn’t set high standards anywhere (except for maybe the medical school). Even most of the academics in the economics faculty are bitter Marxists.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2008 02 16 at 09:31 PM • permalink#45 Kae re Lataan. It’s just Adelaide. The State kept above water by the taxes of the other States. That’s why it’s full of Lataans. We’re all supporting these idiots.
#41 Daddy D. How surprising that Lataan didn’t reply to your challenge. Maybe he has referred your perspective onto his PhD mentor for an opinion. You may still hear back from ‘him’ the independant thinker. But I doubt it. I have extended family in professorships at that Uni and they have all the originality of a 17year old. The peer pressure is phenomenal.
#49 Penguin, you know, I think it was more “automatic writing”—or maybe I was channeling all the anger of serious scholars, amateur and professional, past.
Call me Shirley and shtup me shtupid, I was typing until I was done without looking up.
It makes me fear for what I might do if I were actually to hear the words this, this plasmodial myxomycophyta whilst in the same room.
Guess I’m lucky I left my 9mm Baretta in the US when I moved here. It jammed every fifth shot, but that’s about the number of Faculty Heads in a given department…
Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 02 16 at 09:55 PM • permalinkSo, would anyone like to join my campaign to shut down eighty percent of our faux universities and to turn half the survivors into tech colleges?
#52, Mehaul
... Adelaide. The State kept above water by the taxes of the other States.
A good reason why we should either distribute taxes back to the states in direct proportion to their contribution to the tax take or to simply make all the states responsible for their own revenue collection.
Supplementary to #53
The last paragraph was in very poor taste and I regret posting it, much less thinking it.
The help we need in our society to mend such irrational behaviour and the rot within Academia does not come from the barrel of a gun.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 02 16 at 10:06 PM • permalinkFor shame, Dames has no trouble at all calling a poster at webdiary sleazy and a lying fraudster
#46 MentalFloss
By Linnaeus’ linen longjohns, Kae, I am now convinced that Lataan and his ilk defy any taxonomic classification whatever!
These are parasitic, paraphyletic rhizomes on the human Cladogram.
Neither root nor twig, neither trunk nor limb, branch or leaf — they are among but not of us.
Pod People. It’s the only possible explanation.
=^/
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 16 at 10:12 PM • permalinkUnbelievable:(from the link above)
Good news about Ramsey being banned for a few weeks. Maybe some Webdiarists who have an interest in the way world is progressing will return to discuss some serious ideas on how to build a better world without being distracted by this fraudster.(pfft, pmsl)
Of course Kinston and Roffey know exactly who Ramsey is. The others at Webdiary also knew but were not prepared to do anything about. By their inaction they are all complicit in this fraud.
Yes. And all the young and/or mentally challenged Palestinian children who are sent into Israel carrying explosives are really members of an Israeli secret unit, whose members had all been secretly brainwashed via ultrasound by shady Israeli black-flag teams when they were in the womb, to be activated years later as a child.
Damn. Lataan is onto us!
That little peice of shit Lataan didn’t even have the balls to leave my post on his site.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 02 16 at 10:48 PM • permalink#64 MentalFloss
Cowardice on Damian’s part, but not at all surprising.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 16 at 11:06 PM • permalinkI wonder if Damian has dared to post his tin-foil hat screeching at Screw Loose Change. He would certainly be welcome to do so, if his ego could tolerate the thrashing he’d get in return.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 16 at 11:10 PM • permalink#66 brilliant link there Spiny.
I was actually going to ask around here for a good anti-truther resource.Posted by daddy dave on 2008 02 16 at 11:16 PM • permalinkDamian thinks and writes like Margo and Marilyn Shepherd would have if they had gone on to the sixth grade.
Posted by AlphaMikeFoxtrot on 2008 02 17 at 12:04 AM • permalinkmental floss, great post!
I wonder what that kid has been smoking - perhaps your comments should have been forwarded to the professor of psychiatry who could have delved in some depth into his paranoia and disordered thought patterns. Committal sounds like the safest thing to do for such delusional thinking.
Have you considered closing down the Humanities (read: Suicide Cult) of your universities and giving the real estate back to the aborigines…
...seems only fair…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 17 at 12:42 AM • permalinkRe #69, I missed that, Hanyu, when I commented in #15.
Ye gods, the man might well have helped design or build an aircraft!!!
The thought of that scares me shitless.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 17 at 01:12 AM • permalinkI posted the following comment at Lataan’s blog:
Lataan,
I’ll never forget two years ago discussing on Webdiary the necessity of invading Iraq. While others offered up various rebuttals to my points, you said it was inevitable that the jihadis will detonate a WMD in an American city, killing millions, and we should accept it.
An unbelievably depraved statement. You are an anti-American through and through and should be ashamed of yourself.
I would not be surprised if he refuses to allow it to be posted.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 02 17 at 10:00 AM • permalinkI posted this, let’s see if it makes it:
You are a demonstration of the phenomenon of denial.
When you are faced with a graphic demonstration that it is the enemies of the US who are the monstrous killers, you are gripped by cognitive dissonance; your conviction that the US is doing evil is challenged by the evidence that the people the US is fighting are evil. In order to avoid the discomfort of accepting a conflicting idea, denial kicks in and tadaa! Al Qaeda aren’t evil, they wouldn’t carry out suicide bombings on civilians using civilians. No, it must all be a conspiracy and the US and Israel must be behind it.
And that’s how a worldview where Israel and the US are evil and Al Qaeda is not is maintained in the face of evidence that conflicts with that view.
Second, the targets were both useless and pointless and succeeded only in killing a lot of innocent people, many of them quite young.
Er..that’s the point. They’re after a lot of chaos, murder and ultimately, a caliphate.
Posted by carpefraise on 2008 02 17 at 09:13 PM • permalink#43 I just went to the site and did not see your comments. I’m glad you posted them here because I don’t have the patience to sit at these sites and call them on their cognitive dissonance - partly cos they like having it. they’re proud of it.
I don’t think the concept of debate centred on evidence really resonates with the Lataans of this world. Neither, as you hinted, does actual history.
Posted by carpefraise on 2008 02 17 at 09:56 PM • permalinkapologies for the number of posts on this topic:
See last 3 posts on his blogs if you’re interesetd before he deletes them.
His response to my initial post where i said that Al Qaeda is real.
“...I’m not interested in conspiracy theories, least of all the ones that the US government keeps telling those that are dumb and gullible enough to believe the garbage they put out. You, I suspect, are one of those. I bet, for example, you really believe that WTC building 7 collapsed the way it did becasue there was a bit of a fire in it! How dumb and gullible can you get?”My post:
“Calling me dumb and gullible for believing something you’ve imputed to me is not a smart act. I have not spoken of and am not discussing the WTC issue.
Al Quaeda is not a myth. This group’s manuals have been posted online, articles have been posted online, there are transcripts and translations available in libraries, as is plenty of hard fact-based info on terrorism.
You are a researcher, aren’t you? Your use of the words “All we have heard for years…’ gives the lie to your alleged status. researchers do not rely on gossip (most of them anyway). your statement that there is no prima facie evidence on alQuaeda is laughable. Just laughable.
You don’t need to speculate on what kind of person I am, it’s not relevanT. We’re having a discussion, not hanging out. You have a blog in which you invite commentary. I suggest you stick to responding properly to comments here and keep personal speculations out of it.”
Posted by carpefraise on 2008 02 17 at 10:11 PM • permalink#75, I saw your post at Lataan’s before he deleted it. He can’t read, he addressed you as Ron Wright!
I think you should sue.
“wronwright” conveys a playful mystery with a hint of picante much needed in this dire ol’ rhetorically challenged world of ours.“Ron Wright” just sounds like a lost aeronautical engineer.
Posted by carpefraise on 2008 02 18 at 04:54 AM • permalinkHere’s some more on that false flag operation.
Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2008 02 18 at 07:51 AM • permalink
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